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2017-09-13 03:27:28 PM  
Sounds like a giants fan.
 
2017-09-13 03:32:46 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: Sounds like a giants fan.


This; the Moneyball concept, while not bringing WS titles, has served them well.

I'm gonna say it'll be a 35,000 seat stadium, which is about right for them.
 
2017-09-13 03:33:56 PM  
Or more accurately, a new stadium in which to not watch your team, given the last several years' attendance patterns for the A's:

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2017-09-13 03:41:22 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: Sounds like a giants fan.


Unlikely. I'm a Giants fan, and I would never call out the A's for sucking right now, given that the A's, as crappy as they currently are, look like the '27 Yankees compared to the Giants this year.

Plus, while A's many fans think that the Giants are their "rivals" and often like to hate on the Giants, the reverse isn't true. The Giants do have a rival, but it's the assholes in blue from down south, not the A's--on the contrary, most Giants fans actually like the A's just fine and would root for them against just about any team other than the Giants. Given that the "rivalry" is strictly one-way, it's not actually a rivalry at all.

/not subby
 
2017-09-13 03:47:56 PM  
Really, they should just give up, play in San Fran for a year, and rebuild on the original site once the Raiders go to Vegas. It was a beautiful place before Al completely destroyed it.
 
2017-09-13 03:49:04 PM  

Cyberluddite: Given that the "rivalry" is strictly one-way, it's not actually a rivalry at all.


Funny.  Kind of like when you grow up in Northern California and are raised to hate Los Angeles, because there is this huge rivalry between San Francisco and L.A.

Only no one down there is aware of it.

/"Frisco?  We love to weekend in Frisco!"
 
2017-09-13 04:03:12 PM  

Dr.Fey: Cyberluddite: Given that the "rivalry" is strictly one-way, it's not actually a rivalry at all.

Funny.  Kind of like when you grow up in Northern California and are raised to hate Los Angeles, because there is this huge rivalry between San Francisco and L.A.

Only no one down there is aware of it.

/"Frisco?  We love to weekend in Frisco!"


Yeah, the baseball rivalry certainly goes both ways (Doyers fans hate the Giants, and vice-versa), but you're right that the city rivalry is strictly one-way--people from the Bay Area are raised to hate L.A., but people from L.A. generally like S.F. Of course, that could simply be because there's a lot more to hate about L.A. than S.F.!

/But seriously, while it has its issues like every place does, there's actually a lot of things that I like about L.A. and I don't talk shiat about L.A. in real life, which puts me in the distinct minority as a Northern Californian
 
2017-09-13 04:11:42 PM  

Cyberluddite: Plus, while A's many fans think that the Giants are their "rivals" and often like to hate on the Giants, the reverse isn't true. The Giants do have a rival, but it's the assholes in blue from down south, not the A's--on the contrary, most Giants fans actually like the A's just fine and would root for them against just about any team other than the Giants. Given that the "rivalry" is strictly one-way, it's not actually a rivalry at all.


The rest of the NL West division hates S.F. more than L.A.

/Go Rockies!
//If the Giants broadcast team says ONE more thing about balls and the humidor at Coors...
///LA the city does suck more, though
 
2017-09-13 04:14:53 PM  

Cyberluddite: Cubansaltyballs: Sounds like a giants fan.

Unlikely. I'm a Giants fan, and I would never call out the A's for sucking right now, given that the A's, as crappy as they currently are, look like the '27 Yankees compared to the Giants this year.

Plus, while A's many fans think that the Giants are their "rivals" and often like to hate on the Giants, the reverse isn't true. The Giants do have a rival, but it's the assholes in blue from down south, not the A's--on the contrary, most Giants fans actually like the A's just fine and would root for them against just about any team other than the Giants. Given that the "rivalry" is strictly one-way, it's not actually a rivalry at all.

/not subby


As fans don't think they're rivals. They think the fans are smug shiat talkers who are mostly bandwagon fans. So watching the giants lose is a special treat... like watching your ex wife stub her toe while on a date with a loser.

I offered some extra tickets to an A's game to a giants fan and he scoffed because they weren't a suite, and the wifi was like, totally insufferable there.
 
2017-09-13 04:16:18 PM  
Wait wait wait...so we go from having 2 sports teams in 2 different leagues sharing a stadium like college students, to having zero teams in the O. CO Coliseum?

I wish I made some of that sports money. Must be nice to have an income that is simultaneously public-funded and seemingly bottomless.
 
2017-09-13 04:25:45 PM  

Myk-House of El: The rest of the NL West division hates S.F. more than L.A.

/Go Rockies!


I don't think that's true.  Most Padres fans hate the Dodgers and think of them as their "rival," though most Dodger fans' reaction to that is the same as Giants' fans reaction when being told that A's fans think of the Giants as a "rival": "Oh, you think we're 'rivals'? Really? Well, aren't you the cutest little things. Sorry, but we already have a rival, and you aren't it--hope you aren't too disappointed. Hey, cheer up, maybe you guys will finish over .500 some day!"  And in my experience, most D-Backs fans also hate the Dodgers and don't really hate the Giants, and in fact the older D-Backs fans still have kind of a soft spot in their heart for the Giants because Phoenix's AAA team (the Phoenix Firebirds), which was around for many years until the D-Backs came into existence, was the long-lime Giants AAA affiliate, and people in Phoenix would follow the Giants to see how the guys who bounced back and forth from their home team were doing. I've been to several Giants vs. D-Backs games in Phoenix, and that's what the D-Backs fans around me have generally told me.

In other words, I think it's just you guys, dude. Just you Rockies fans and the Dodger fans. And that's not a place you want to be!
 
2017-09-13 04:26:22 PM  
Is there another taxpayer rapefest?
 
2017-09-13 04:26:40 PM  

Cyberluddite: Or more accurately, a new stadium in which to not watch your team, given the last several years' attendance patterns for the A's:

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why would you go to a dump stadium to see a garbage team in a league that has actively sabotaged any attempts to improve their situation
 
2017-09-13 04:30:01 PM  

Rwa2play: Cubansaltyballs: Sounds like a giants fan.

This; the Moneyball concept, while not bringing WS titles, has served them well.

I'm gonna say it'll be a 35,000 seat stadium, which is about right for them.


I'm kind of amazed how small modern stadiums are.  The attendance for the Indians' 21st win in a row was 29k, and that looked like a sell out or close to it.  Meanwhile, 40k pile into Dodger Stadium for every single game, with 55k sellouts happening several dozen times this season.
 
2017-09-13 04:32:25 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: As fans don't think they're rivals. They think the fans are smug shiat talkers who are mostly bandwagon fans.


Well, if that's what they think, there's certainly an element of truth to that. Not all Giants fans of course (and certainly not me!), and not even the majority, but there's certainly an unfortunately large post-2010 group of bandwagoners who wouldn't know Will Clark from Wil Wheaton.  The only good thing about the Giants being such a complete dumpster fire this year is that those assholes have been staying home, and it's now possible to go see a game at AT&T Park (if you're a glutton for punishment, that is, and I guess I am) and get decent seats without having to take out a second mortgage on your home.
 
2017-09-13 04:35:34 PM  

SkylineRecords: Wait wait wait...so we go from having 2 sports teams in 2 different leagues sharing a stadium like college students, to having zero teams in the O. CO Coliseum?

I wish I made some of that sports money. Must be nice to have an income that is simultaneously public-funded and seemingly bottomless.


Well one (Candlestick) was a baseball-specific stadium converted to a shiatty compromise to accommodate the Niners and the other (Oakland Coliseum) was a shiatty compromise to begin with further ruined by a football team that ultimately didn't even plan on staying.

The As have wanted out of the Coliseum for as long as I can remember, but all of their previous efforts were cock-blocked by Giants ownership.
 
2017-09-13 04:36:19 PM  

Geotpf: Rwa2play: Cubansaltyballs: Sounds like a giants fan.

This; the Moneyball concept, while not bringing WS titles, has served them well.

I'm gonna say it'll be a 35,000 seat stadium, which is about right for them.

I'm kind of amazed how small modern stadiums are.  The attendance for the Indians' 21st win in a row was 29k, and that looked like a sell out or close to it.  Meanwhile, 40k pile into Dodger Stadium for every single game, with 55k sellouts happening several dozen times this season.


Do you remember when "The Jake" (as it was first known) opened?  They regularly had (at minimum) 46,000/game; when the teams fortunes waned so did attendance, not to the levels that they were at the old Municipal Stadium but still paltry.

So ownership decided to close off the top seats in the upper deck and have advertising there.  So...it's a bit of an optical illusion.

Dodger Stadium is an institution ever since the Dodgers first moved there in the early 60s.  Very much like Yankee Stadium after the mid-70s makeover.  So yeah, you get 30-40,000 or more for a weeknight game and near or total sellouts on weekends.

Also: Everyone tries to recreate the vibe of Camden Yards but only the Giants (maybe?) seemed to have matched it.
 
2017-09-13 04:38:22 PM  

The Bestest: SkylineRecords: Wait wait wait...so we go from having 2 sports teams in 2 different leagues sharing a stadium like college students, to having zero teams in the O. CO Coliseum?

I wish I made some of that sports money. Must be nice to have an income that is simultaneously public-funded and seemingly bottomless.

Well one (Candlestick) was a baseball-specific stadium converted to a shiatty compromise to accommodate the Niners and the other (Oakland Coliseum) was a shiatty compromise to begin with further ruined by a football team that ultimately didn't even plan on staying.

The As have wanted out of the Coliseum for as long as I can remember, but all of their previous efforts were cock-blocked by Giants ownership.


I'm happy for them, they've done decently with a bad stadium and the BS of the Giants.  Now they'll have their own palace.
 
2017-09-13 04:39:00 PM  

netizencain: Is there another taxpayer rapefest?


I know that most people around here can't be bothered to RTFA before commenting, but can you at least read the very first farking sentence of it before asking that?

OAKLAND, CalifarkGO) --
The Oakland A's announced Wednesday that they plan to build a new privately-funded stadium near Laney College
.

Devil's in the details, of course--dunno what tax breaks, etc. they may be trying to extort to build the thing, but at least it seems like it's not being built with the taxpayers' money. That shiat never flies in the Bay Area.
 
2017-09-13 04:39:44 PM  

Rwa2play: Also: Everyone tries to recreate the vibe of Camden Yards but only the Giants (maybe?) seemed to have matched it.


I dunno.. Petco (San Diego) comes close to the Camden Yards vibe, but difficulty: Padres.

Minute Maid Park (Houston) also tried, but they tried -too- hard, and it ended up being an overproduced, overgimmicked tchotchked mess.
 
2017-09-13 04:42:46 PM  
Devil's in the details, of course--dunno what tax breaks, etc. they may be trying to extort to build the thing, but at least it seems like it's not being built with the taxpayers' money. That shiat never flies in the Bay Area.

The hitch with this plan is the land they want currently belongs to a community college and it doesn't seem they've struck a deal with them yet.
 
2017-09-13 04:44:09 PM  
The Bestest: Rwa2play: Also: Everyone tries to recreate the vibe of Camden Yards but only the Giants (maybe?) seemed to have matched it.

I dunno.. Petco (San Diego) comes close to the Camden Yards vibe, but difficulty: Padres.

Agreed; I know their ownership tried one season to stock the team with top level guys in the hopes of catching lighting in a bottle but it blew up in their face.  Wonder why they haven't tried to hire some of the front office execs on the Cards and see if they can build that roster up.  I mean, the Yanks effectively did this and now they have Judge, Sanchez, Bird and a ton of potential on the farm.

Minute Maid Park (Houston) also tried, but they tried -too- hard, and it ended up being an overproduced, overgimmicked tchotchked mess.

I dunno; Miami's park seems to have overtaken it with the crap they've put in it.
 
2017-09-13 04:44:53 PM  

The Bestest: The As have wanted out of the Coliseum for as long as I can remember, but all of their previous efforts were cock-blocked by Giants ownership.


The only thing the Giants (and MLB) have cock-blocked the A's on is their proposals to move the team to somewhere else in the Bay Area, especially somewhere on the peninsula (San Jose, Santa Clara, etc.), claiming that it would infringe on the Giants' exclusive territory.  Sort of like what the A's might've done if the Giants had proposed building AT&T Park in, let's say, Berkeley rather than in San Francisco. AFAIK they've never tried to block the A's from building another stadium in Oakland, nor could they.
 
2017-09-13 04:45:47 PM  
Huh.  last i remember they just started construction on the new Warriors arena across the inlet from the Giants ballpark, so the Dubs are leaving OAK in about 1-2 years.  so that entire land platform will be rendered useless if the As in fact leave.  course real estate in the Bay Area, even Oakland, will be extremely valuable, right there on the waterfront.

Been to the basketball arena twice i think.  depeche mode and some other concert.  never been to the football/baseball stadium though.
 
2017-09-13 04:55:58 PM  
I live a couple miles from the new site, and I suspect it will impact my commute on game days, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...
 
2017-09-13 05:01:29 PM  

rickythepenguin: Huh.  last i remember they just started construction on the new Warriors arena across the inlet from the Giants ballpark, so the Dubs are leaving OAK in about 1-2 years.  so that entire land platform will be rendered useless if the As in fact leave.  course real estate in the Bay Area, even Oakland, will be extremely valuable, right there on the waterfront.

Been to the basketball arena twice i think.  depeche mode and some other concert.  never been to the football/baseball stadium though.


The Colosseum isn't "right there on the waterfront." It's in a mostly run-down, heavily industrial area across the freeway from the Oakland airport--sort of a "Bay Area's rust belt." Not the finest part of Oakland, to say the least.  Though yeah, any Bay Area property is worth some bucks these days, and it's a big enough footprint that it can basically be its own development of some kind.

I've never seen a football game there, but the Colosseum while isn't great for baseball, it's not the worst place in the world, though it was certainly better before the Raiders built Mount Davis and ruined the sightlines, and the weather is some of the nicest in the area. I don't go to games there much (generally only the annual interleague games against the Giants, including this year), so I'm no expert, but it seems to me that the A's management does try to make it a pleasant place, though with limited success. I think they could focus their efforts a little harder with better results. For example, for concession stands, while there are approximately 273 different places to buy 897 different kinds of beer (good!) for food there's almost nothing but 50 stands all selling the same hot dogs, nachos, and popcorn, with very little else (bad).

Having said all of that, I'm happy that they're making progress on a new stadium. I'd like the A's to stay around, and having a better place to watch them may get people out to the ballpark. I hope so, anyway.
 
2017-09-13 05:02:52 PM  

Cyberluddite: Well, if that's what they think, there's certainly an element of truth to that. Not all Giants fans of course (and certainly not me!), and not even the majority, but there's certainly an unfortunately large post-2010 group of bandwagoners who wouldn't know Will Clark from Wil Wheaton. The only good thing about the Giants being such a complete dumpster fire this year is that those assholes have been staying home, and it's now possible to go see a game at AT&T Park (if you're a glutton for punishment, that is, and I guess I am) and get decent seats without having to take out a second mortgage on your home.


Yeah, those are the people. Hipsters and douchebag people who don't really care about baseball, but want a championship team that THEY are fans of, so they can talk sh*t to everyone else. I turned on the Giants and root against them when some chick at the office, who never gave a sh*t about baseball prior to that postseason, skipped through the office after the 2010 WS all decked out in Giants gear telling everyone they suck, their team sucks, and just generally acting like a jackass. Since then, that seems to be the attitude of a lot of Giants "fans" that became "lifelong" fans the day they won the world series.

So yeah... those people made your team both the Dallas Cowboys of baseball and the Kardashians of baseball at the same time.  Bandwagon magnet team that is overpriced, not entirely useful and makes everyone around them want them to lose.

Don't feel too sad... those same losers are doing the same thing with the Warriors, and one day will try the same with the A's when they win again.
 
2017-09-13 05:09:50 PM  

Geotpf: I'm kind of amazed how small modern stadiums are. The attendance for the Indians' 21st win in a row was 29k, and that looked like a sell out or close to it. Meanwhile, 40k pile into Dodger Stadium for every single game, with 55k sellouts happening several dozen times this season.


I like the smaller baseball stadiums. I see the idea behind a large football stadium. If you're only going to have 8-10 games a year there, you need to cram in 40-60k people for each game. As a fan, you'll probably put up with sh*t seats because you might only see 1-2 games that year. But... if you're a baseball team and have 81-95 games a year at the stadium, having a smaller more personal experience probably means people will be more likely to show up 2-10 times because the atmosphere doesn't suck.
 
2017-09-13 05:19:49 PM  

Rwa2play: Geotpf: Rwa2play: Cubansaltyballs: Sounds like a giants fan.

This; the Moneyball concept, while not bringing WS titles, has served them well.

I'm gonna say it'll be a 35,000 seat stadium, which is about right for them.

I'm kind of amazed how small modern stadiums are.  The attendance for the Indians' 21st win in a row was 29k, and that looked like a sell out or close to it.  Meanwhile, 40k pile into Dodger Stadium for every single game, with 55k sellouts happening several dozen times this season.

Do you remember when "The Jake" (as it was first known) opened?  They regularly had (at minimum) 46,000/game; when the teams fortunes waned so did attendance, not to the levels that they were at the old Municipal Stadium but still paltry.

So ownership decided to close off the top seats in the upper deck and have advertising there.  So...it's a bit of an optical illusion.

Dodger Stadium is an institution ever since the Dodgers first moved there in the early 60s.  Very much like Yankee Stadium after the mid-70s makeover.  So yeah, you get 30-40,000 or more for a weeknight game and near or total sellouts on weekends.

Also: Everyone tries to recreate the vibe of Camden Yards but only the Giants (maybe?) seemed to have matched it.


Pittsburgh did very well with their park, and integrated it into the city and neighborhood very well.
 
2017-09-13 05:24:38 PM  

Trainspotr: Rwa2play: Geotpf: Rwa2play: Cubansaltyballs: Sounds like a giants fan.

This; the Moneyball concept, while not bringing WS titles, has served them well.

I'm gonna say it'll be a 35,000 seat stadium, which is about right for them.

I'm kind of amazed how small modern stadiums are.  The attendance for the Indians' 21st win in a row was 29k, and that looked like a sell out or close to it.  Meanwhile, 40k pile into Dodger Stadium for every single game, with 55k sellouts happening several dozen times this season.

Do you remember when "The Jake" (as it was first known) opened?  They regularly had (at minimum) 46,000/game; when the teams fortunes waned so did attendance, not to the levels that they were at the old Municipal Stadium but still paltry.

So ownership decided to close off the top seats in the upper deck and have advertising there.  So...it's a bit of an optical illusion.

Dodger Stadium is an institution ever since the Dodgers first moved there in the early 60s.  Very much like Yankee Stadium after the mid-70s makeover.  So yeah, you get 30-40,000 or more for a weeknight game and near or total sellouts on weekends.

Also: Everyone tries to recreate the vibe of Camden Yards but only the Giants (maybe?) seemed to have matched it.

Pittsburgh did very well with their park, and integrated it into the city and neighborhood very well.


I honestly forgot about PNC; that is a majestic setting.
 
2017-09-13 05:53:36 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: Don't feel too sad... those same losers are doing the same thing with the Warriors, and one day will try the same with the A's when they win again.


Yeah, I get that, and if the A's ever become champions again some of their fans may become insufferable too, as they were the last time they won the World Series, when they beat . . . the Giants.

I am old, and I had the misfortune of scoring tickets and being at Candlestick Park for the final two games of that World Series, which the A's swept. Here's pic of my tickets to those games, which I've kept all these years as a souvenir:

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Note that the rain check is missing from the Game 3 ticket--the game was cancelled after I showed up on its original date and they took it when it was rescheduled for several days later. The original date wasn't rained out, of course, but they had no "earthquake check" on the ticket.

Looking at those, I still can't believe that, in my adult lifetime, World Series tickets could be purchased for 40 bucks! Christ, I'm old.
 
2017-09-13 06:29:38 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: Geotpf: I'm kind of amazed how small modern stadiums are. The attendance for the Indians' 21st win in a row was 29k, and that looked like a sell out or close to it. Meanwhile, 40k pile into Dodger Stadium for every single game, with 55k sellouts happening several dozen times this season.

I like the smaller baseball stadiums. I see the idea behind a large football stadium. If you're only going to have 8-10 games a year there, you need to cram in 40-60k people for each game. As a fan, you'll probably put up with sh*t seats because you might only see 1-2 games that year. But... if you're a baseball team and have 81-95 games a year at the stadium, having a smaller more personal experience probably means people will be more likely to show up 2-10 times because the atmosphere doesn't suck.


Dodger Stadium's 55k crowds definitely helps them with home field advantage.  Easily the loudest MLB stadium (even the domes); equivalent of a college football game.
 
2017-09-13 07:37:26 PM  
Nice to see they're keeping the stadium centrallishly located.  I saw the headline and assumed they were going to follow the Atlanta Braves lead and move the stadium out to the suburbs away from public transportation and "those people".
 
2017-09-13 07:55:59 PM  

Cyberluddite: netizencain: Is there another taxpayer rapefest?

I know that most people around here can't be bothered to RTFA before commenting, but can you at least read the very first farking sentence of it before asking that?

OAKLAND, CalifarkGO) --
The Oakland A's announced Wednesday that they plan to build a new privately-funded stadium near Laney College.

Devil's in the details, of course--dunno what tax breaks, etc. they may be trying to extort to build the thing, but at least it seems like it's not being built with the taxpayers' money. That shiat never flies in the Bay Area.


Maybe he's one of these guys:

"There's a lot of people who do not speak English as their first language, do not know their rights as tenants. So, these are all things that I want to make sure that we make a concerted effort as a city that tenants know their rights," Oakland Ccouncilmember Abel Guillen said.
 
2017-09-13 08:12:38 PM  
How's that Moneyball thing working out for you, A's fans?
 
2017-09-13 08:28:09 PM  

Rwa2play: Geotpf: Rwa2play: Cubansaltyballs: Sounds like a giants fan.

This; the Moneyball concept, while not bringing WS titles, has served them well.

I'm gonna say it'll be a 35,000 seat stadium, which is about right for them.

I'm kind of amazed how small modern stadiums are.  The attendance for the Indians' 21st win in a row was 29k, and that looked like a sell out or close to it.  Meanwhile, 40k pile into Dodger Stadium for every single game, with 55k sellouts happening several dozen times this season.

Do you remember when "The Jake" (as it was first known) opened?  They regularly had (at minimum) 46,000/game; when the teams fortunes waned so did attendance, not to the levels that they were at the old Municipal Stadium but still paltry.

So ownership decided to close off the top seats in the upper deck and have advertising there.  So...it's a bit of an optical illusion.

Dodger Stadium is an institution ever since the Dodgers first moved there in the early 60s.  Very much like Yankee Stadium after the mid-70s makeover.  So yeah, you get 30-40,000 or more for a weeknight game and near or total sellouts on weekends.

Also: Everyone tries to recreate the vibe of Camden Yards but only the Giants (maybe?) seemed to have matched it.


the yankees had a steady attendance of 2M through the 80s and early 90s, but didn't reach 'institution' level until the late 90s when the fair weather fans came back with the championships

comparing LA and NY to cleveland is a bit unfair considering those cities have 10 and 20 times the population.  at that rate the old municipal stadium rates of 4k a night would outpace them at a per capita level
 
2017-09-13 08:58:57 PM  

Cyberluddite: Cubansaltyballs: Don't feel too sad... those same losers are doing the same thing with the Warriors, and one day will try the same with the A's when they win again.

Yeah, I get that, and if the A's ever become champions again some of their fans may become insufferable too, as they were the last time they won the World Series, when they beat . . . the Giants.

I am old, and I had the misfortune of scoring tickets and being at Candlestick Park for the final two games of that World Series, which the A's swept. Here's pic of my tickets to those games, which I've kept all these years as a souvenir:

[img.fark.net image 470x560]
Note that the rain check is missing from the Game 3 ticket--the game was cancelled after I showed up on its original date and they took it when it was rescheduled for several days later. The original date wasn't rained out, of course, but they had no "earthquake check" on the ticket.

Looking at those, I still can't believe that, in my adult lifetime, World Series tickets could be purchased for 40 bucks! Christ, I'm old.


Wow. Even if you're not into such things, you should send at least the Game 3 ticket to PSA to be slabbed and graded. It should be preserved as a piece of history, and if it's encased in plastic it might keep someone from tossing "some old ticket stub" without thinking twice.
 
2017-09-13 09:14:48 PM  

Cyberluddite: Cubansaltyballs: Sounds like a giants fan.

Unlikely. I'm a Giants fan, and I would never call out the A's for sucking right now, given that the A's, as crappy as they currently are, look like the '27 Yankees compared to the Giants this year.

Plus, while A's many fans think that the Giants are their "rivals" and often like to hate on the Giants, the reverse isn't true. The Giants do have a rival, but it's the assholes in blue from down south, not the A's--on the contrary, most Giants fans actually like the A's just fine and would root for them against just about any team other than the Giants. Given that the "rivalry" is strictly one-way, it's not actually a rivalry at all.

/not subby


It true tho.

When I tell Giants fans that I am contractually obligated to hate their team, they're usually surprised.
 
2017-09-13 09:55:12 PM  
I went to my first As game this past Sunday. I'm not an As fan but hey, free suite near what would usually be the Black Hole. I've been to O.co many times for Raider games so it was a weird experience seeing it as baseball field. All the As colors, the tiny crowd, a whole section of the stadium missing. There's a ton of work going on this week to get it ready for the home opener.

Now I already knew the O.co was a crappy football stadium but I didn't know that it was also a crappy ballpark. A building that fails so badly at both its purposes is kinda impressive.

I'm glad the As are staying in Oakland. It doesn't seem right for Oakland to lose all their sports teams all at once. I think a new stadium that doesn't stuck might get more butts in seats.

I'm looking forward to the new Vegas stadium. I visited the site a few weeks ago. It's tiny compared to the Oakland complex but at least they'll finally get a proper stadium. O.co sucks. The LA Coliseum, while great for lots of events, totally sucks for football. It must be hard to play in the worst stadiums since forever.
 
2017-09-14 12:44:08 AM  

Trainspotr: Rwa2play: Geotpf: Rwa2play: Cubansaltyballs: Sounds like a giants fan.

This; the Moneyball concept, while not bringing WS titles, has served them well.

I'm gonna say it'll be a 35,000 seat stadium, which is about right for them.

I'm kind of amazed how small modern stadiums are.  The attendance for the Indians' 21st win in a row was 29k, and that looked like a sell out or close to it.  Meanwhile, 40k pile into Dodger Stadium for every single game, with 55k sellouts happening several dozen times this season.

Do you remember when "The Jake" (as it was first known) opened?  They regularly had (at minimum) 46,000/game; when the teams fortunes waned so did attendance, not to the levels that they were at the old Municipal Stadium but still paltry.

So ownership decided to close off the top seats in the upper deck and have advertising there.  So...it's a bit of an optical illusion.

Dodger Stadium is an institution ever since the Dodgers first moved there in the early 60s.  Very much like Yankee Stadium after the mid-70s makeover.  So yeah, you get 30-40,000 or more for a weeknight game and near or total sellouts on weekends.

Also: Everyone tries to recreate the vibe of Camden Yards but only the Giants (maybe?) seemed to have matched it.

Pittsburgh did very well with their park, and integrated it into the city and neighborhood very well.


I'm not a fan of the pirates but how I enjoyed going to that stadium when I lived in the Pittsburgh area. Beautiful views. Nice sightlines and just feels cozy.

Now if Pittsburgh had proper mass transit to make getting in and out from north and south of the city easier that would be way up there on my list.

Sadly, my phils tried hard to put citizens bank park somewhere close to center city and even had a place right near my college campus in mind and then those ivy leaguers at Penn caught wind and bought the location out from under them. The pricks. So now we have a cozy stadium designed for being in the middle of a city with skyscrapers behind centerfield sitting in a giant lot in south philly.

Admittedly, keeping it at the sports complex made things commute wise easi r, but still.
 
2017-09-14 01:57:41 AM  

SafetyThird: I went to my first As game this past Sunday. I'm not an As fan but hey, free suite near what would usually be the Black Hole. I've been to O.co many times for Raider games so it was a weird experience seeing it as baseball field. All the As colors, the tiny crowd, a whole section of the stadium missing. There's a ton of work going on this week to get it ready for the home opener.

Now I already knew the O.co was a crappy football stadium but I didn't know that it was also a crappy ballpark. A building that fails so badly at both its purposes is kinda impressive.

I'm glad the As are staying in Oakland. It doesn't seem right for Oakland to lose all their sports teams all at once. I think a new stadium that doesn't stuck might get more butts in seats.

I'm looking forward to the new Vegas stadium. I visited the site a few weeks ago. It's tiny compared to the Oakland complex but at least they'll finally get a proper stadium. O.co sucks. The LA Coliseum, while great for lots of events, totally sucks for football. It must be hard to play in the worst stadiums since forever.


With the exception of mt Davis, what sucks about it? It's a ballpark, has lots of beer, hot dogs, burritos, hot links, etc... seats are cheap. Getting in and out is easy.

I hear this argument a lot and I don't always understand it. Is it the lack of an onsite brewery or some other hipster thing? Is it just not fancy and guilded enough to watch a baseball/football game?
 
2017-09-14 03:34:28 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: With the exception of mt Davis, what sucks about it? It's a ballpark, has lots of beer, hot dogs, burritos, hot links, etc... seats are cheap. Getting in and out is easy.

I hear this argument a lot and I don't always understand it. Is it the lack of an onsite brewery or some other hipster thing? Is it just not fancy and guilded enough to watch a baseball/football game?


I'd say the sewage issue is a pretty big problem. I'm a Giants fan myself but honestly there isn't really anything wrong with the Coliseum. Yeah it looks dated but beyond that it's fine, I can watch baseball and I can get Gilroy Garlic fries there, don't really care about much else when I'm at a game.
That being said I like that they are staying in Oakland and like even more they are attempting to stay really close to BART. The Lake Merritt station is going to need a massive upgrade though.
 
2017-09-14 09:42:37 AM  

Bootysama: Cubansaltyballs: With the exception of mt Davis, what sucks about it? It's a ballpark, has lots of beer, hot dogs, burritos, hot links, etc... seats are cheap. Getting in and out is easy.

I hear this argument a lot and I don't always understand it. Is it the lack of an onsite brewery or some other hipster thing? Is it just not fancy and guilded enough to watch a baseball/football game?

I'd say the sewage issue is a pretty big problem. I'm a Giants fan myself but honestly there isn't really anything wrong with the Coliseum. Yeah it looks dated but beyond that it's fine, I can watch baseball and I can get Gilroy Garlic fries there, don't really care about much else when I'm at a game.
That being said I like that they are staying in Oakland and like even more they are attempting to stay really close to BART. The Lake Merritt station is going to need a massive upgrade though.


Wasnt it like 5 years ago the sewer backed up? It's not like it does it with any frequency. It's like saying the Marlins and Astros have a shiat stadium because of all the flooding and hurricanes.
 
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