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2017-09-13 08:58:15 AM  
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2017-09-13 09:07:16 AM  
"Reset." Isn't that the thing Obama was ridiculed for.
 
2017-09-13 09:34:24 AM  

edmo: "Reset." Isn't that the thing Obama was ridiculed for.


Sure, but he was kind of "blah" so...
 
2017-09-13 09:35:36 AM  

edmo: "Reset." Isn't that the thing Obama was ridiculed for.


wasn't Hillary slammed repeatedly for her state department's attempt at a "Russian reset"?
 
2017-09-13 09:55:09 AM  
Maybe if the Russians pull out of Ukraine and get reasonable about Crimea, we can talk about not adding new sanctions.
 
2017-09-13 10:11:35 AM  
It's easier at this point to list Trump administration officials that have NOT taken secret trips to Russia or met secretly with Russian officials in the US since the beginning of the campaign.
 
2017-09-13 10:16:08 AM  
Also, he's the farking head of the CIA.  What is the head of the CIA doing taking a trip to Moscow to meet with Russian government officials?

/Buzzfeed is blocked at work so I can't actually read the article.
 
2017-09-13 10:55:53 AM  

togaman2k: Also, he's the farking head of the CIA.  What is the head of the CIA doing taking a trip to Moscow to meet with Russian government officials?

/Buzzfeed is blocked at work so I can't actually read the article.


Just a regular vacation too scenic Yaroslavl, as red-blooded Americans often take. If he happened to meet some GRU while he was there, what's the harm?
 
MFK
2017-09-13 10:56:10 AM  

somedude210: edmo: "Reset." Isn't that the thing Obama was ridiculed for.

wasn't Hillary slammed repeatedly for her state department's attempt at a "Russian reset"?


the difference here is that the Russians hadn't invaded Crimea or thrown a presidential election to the worst American at the time Obama or Hillary were talking about it. The Russians are asking Trump's administration to just ignore all that stuff without sanctioning them for it.
 
2017-09-13 10:56:38 AM  

togaman2k: hat is the head of the CIA doing taking a trip to Moscow to meet with Russian government officials?


In regular order it would be acceptable for Pompeo to meet with his SVR counterpart. However since our President and much of his administration are compromised assets, this is not regular order.

/none of this is normal
//even Clancy wouldn't think of this shiat
 
2017-09-13 10:58:59 AM  
"Failed (so far) (that we know of)", subby. I for one would not be willing to take bets on that at this point, given the amount of interaction between the Trump administration (and before that, campaign) and Russian intelligence, and the fact that Trump has already handed over classified information to them at least once.
 
2017-09-13 10:59:08 AM  

MFK: somedude210: edmo: "Reset." Isn't that the thing Obama was ridiculed for.

wasn't Hillary slammed repeatedly for her state department's attempt at a "Russian reset"?

the difference here is that the Russians hadn't invaded Crimea or thrown a presidential election to the worst American at the time Obama or Hillary were talking about it. The Russians are asking Trump's administration to just ignore all that stuff without sanctioning them for it.


Oooo the but Clinton redirect!
 
2017-09-13 11:00:18 AM  
I would have liked to see Montanaskaya.
 
2017-09-13 11:01:17 AM  

togaman2k: It's easier at this point to list Trump administration officials that have NOT taken secret trips to Russia or met secretly with Russian officials in the US since the beginning of the campaign.


This happened after the 2016 campaign was over and Trump was in office, so I guess it skirts the "foreign involvement in a campaign" issue and he wouldn't have to openly lie to congress about his trip and have them not care anyway.  Although, technically, Trump has already officially started his 2020 campaign, so...
 
2017-09-13 11:01:30 AM  
The rank and file at the CIA already don't like Pompeo. I am sure this will go over well.
 
2017-09-13 11:02:59 AM  

MFK: somedude210: edmo: "Reset." Isn't that the thing Obama was ridiculed for.

wasn't Hillary slammed repeatedly for her state department's attempt at a "Russian reset"?

the difference here is that the Russians hadn't invaded Crimea or thrown a presidential election to the worst American at the time Obama or Hillary were talking about it. The Russians are asking Trump's administration to just ignore all that stuff without sanctioning them for it.


Also Obama was negotiating with Medvedev, who, even as a figurehead, had made some encouraging overtures that might have indicated a thaw in Russian foreign policy.
 
2017-09-13 11:04:19 AM  

sys_64738: "Failed (so far) (that we know of)", subby. I for one would not be willing to take bets on that at this point, given the amount of interaction between the Trump administration (and before that, campaign) and Russian intelligence, and the fact that Trump has already handed over classified information to them at least once.


But for Mueller's investigation, this country would be royally screwed.  Congress is aware of these impeachable crimes and, so far, have done nothing.
If Mueller presents the DOJ with hard evidence of criminal activity and nothing is done, we're finished.
 
2017-09-13 11:05:43 AM  
If you want to put on a tinfoil hat, here is Seth Abramson claiming that the documents being from April and Comey's firing in early May are related: Trump didn't want to take action with the possibility that it would be connected to Russian foul play so he demanded Comey clear him publicly first so he could take action. When he didn't after three requests he decided to get rid of him (which explains why Trump told the Russians he faced "great pressure" from Comey that has since been "taken off".)

For reference, Comey said he told Trump he was not under investigation in person on 1/6/17 and over the phone on both 3/30/17 and 4/11/17. He said he wasn't going to make a public statement because it would create a "duty to correct" like he had to with the Weiner e-mailed mess should the investigation eventually lead him to Trump.
 
2017-09-13 11:07:03 AM  

MFK: somedude210: edmo: "Reset." Isn't that the thing Obama was ridiculed for.

wasn't Hillary slammed repeatedly for her state department's attempt at a "Russian reset"?

the difference here is that the Russians hadn't invaded Crimea or thrown a presidential election to the worst American at the time Obama or Hillary were talking about it. The Russians are asking Trump's administration to just ignore all that stuff without sanctioning them for it.


does that make it better or worse?
 
2017-09-13 11:11:57 AM  
Trump

Tower

Moscow

 
2017-09-13 11:17:46 AM  

hammettman: togaman2k: It's easier at this point to list Trump administration officials that have NOT taken secret trips to Russia or met secretly with Russian officials in the US since the beginning of the campaign.

This happened after the 2016 campaign was over and Trump was in office, so I guess it skirts the "foreign involvement in a campaign" issue and he wouldn't have to openly lie to congress about his trip and have them not care anyway.  Although, technically, Trump has already officially started his 2020 campaign, so...


This would be the greatest TKO in political history if Trump's immediate filing of campaign paperwork is the technicality that gets Pompeo removed and thrown in jail along with Trump for this stunt.
 
2017-09-13 11:18:27 AM  
Just forget about that Israeli ISIS spy Trump immediately gave up to the Russians.
 
2017-09-13 11:18:29 AM  
+1 for subby spelling lede correctly.
 
2017-09-13 11:20:44 AM  

togaman2k: hammettman: togaman2k: It's easier at this point to list Trump administration officials that have NOT taken secret trips to Russia or met secretly with Russian officials in the US since the beginning of the campaign.

This happened after the 2016 campaign was over and Trump was in office, so I guess it skirts the "foreign involvement in a campaign" issue and he wouldn't have to openly lie to congress about his trip and have them not care anyway.  Although, technically, Trump has already officially started his 2020 campaign, so...

This would be the greatest TKO in political history if Trump's immediate filing of campaign paperwork is the technicality that gets Pompeo removed and thrown in jail along with Trump for this stunt.


You'd have to prove that Pompeo was working on behalf of the campaign when he went. The fact that Trump is a registered candidate for 2020 does not mean that every executive branch employee is a member of the campaign.
 
2017-09-13 11:21:37 AM  
Interesting tidbit FTFA:

In pushing its reset plan, Moscow seemed to underestimate the political blowback the Trump administration would face if it carried out a large-scale rapprochement amid high-profile investigations by the FBI and Congress into allegations of collusion with Russia.
"Putin doesn't seem to understand that Trump's powers are not the same as his," said Steven Pifer, a Russia expert at the Brookings Institution. "The checks and balances, the special prosecutor and congressional investigations have tied Trump's hands in ways that didn't occur to Putin."


Basically, Putin was thrilled his Manchurian candidate plan worked, but ended up looking like a Chihuahua hanging on to the bumper of a speeding car. Both Trump and Putin had no idea how the Presidency actually works, they just wallow in lazy autocracy. And that will be the downfall for both men.
 
2017-09-13 11:22:12 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: TrumpTowerMoscow


seriously, that's what we will ultimately find as the cause of this. He's been working with the Russians since '87 to get a Trump Tower Moscow built and it always fails. Except this last attempt around 2013-2017 that looked like he could get it built, but he needed to lift sanctions first as a sign of goodwill.

book it. That's what will be the ultimate motivation for everything. The collusion, the money laundering, the destruction of our federal agencies, hell the campaign itself.
 
2017-09-13 11:26:40 AM  
We can save time by listing Trump administration officials who haven't been to Russia.
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2017-09-13 11:33:22 AM  

Wessoman: Both Trump and Putin had no idea how the Presidency actually works, they just wallow in lazy autocracy.


To be fair, it isn't like the safeguards in place are very strong. If a Trump figure walked in the door saying this "deep state" stuff and proceeded to treat all intelligence agencies the way Trump treated the State Department (loyalist purges virtually everyone in a position of power) and then followed up with filling them back in with known loyalists willing to weaponize them against Congress, what are the odds FBI/CIA/NSA can bury critics in scandal faster than Congress would actually take Trump down?

The laziness of assuming "I'm President now, everyone does what I say" without taking full grip of the reigns of power is what might take him down if that truly was the case.
 
2017-09-13 11:33:40 AM  

somedude210: the money laundering


Nah, this is the real thing, he's been doing this forever, it's the only way he makes any money at all, as a regular businessman, he's a total failure.  The only reason his 'empire' hasn't collapsed and he's totally bankrupt is that he can launder Russian money through properties and make a cut.

His entire life, his entire identity and self-worth, centers around his image built on this empire.  It's why he's so slavish to Putin, the instant that Russian money stops his empire collapses and he loses everything that's important to him.
 
2017-09-13 11:34:36 AM  

edmo: "Reset." Isn't that the thing Obama was ridiculed for.


Obama was trying to reset to turn the United States into an ineffective, do-nothing apologizer who tyrannically drives up insurance rates, imposes the Sharia, and encourages black people to act up.
 
2017-09-13 11:37:58 AM  

blackminded: togaman2k: hat is the head of the CIA doing taking a trip to Moscow to meet with Russian government officials?

In regular order it would be acceptable for Pompeo to meet with his SVR counterpart. However since our President and much of his administration are compromised assets, this is not regular order.

/none of this is normal
//even Clancy wouldn't think of this shiat


Clancy's publisher would have declined this one for being too outlandish.

And they published one from him about terrorists nuking the Super Bowl.
 
2017-09-13 11:39:07 AM  
It's frankly amazing that our system of government is not only set up to somehow allow these bold-faced scandals to continue, but also to weather the storm by limiting the president's power.

The reporting, from many angles, has shown that Trump and his political team / administration have likely colluded with the Russians. The reporting has shown that Trump's relationship with the Russians goes back to the 1980s. The reporting has shown that Trump had interests in Moscow in 2015 when his campaign began. Trump himself called on Russians to hack his political opponent in an open speech. The Kremlin likely has leverage on Trump. Russian citizens widely believe Trump is working for their interests on behalf of Putin.

This isn't political dirt, nor is it coming from left-leaning fringe sites. This is well-sourced, vetted information published by journalists who often express surprise at how poorly these things are hidden. There's absolutely no reason this guy should still be president, and the only saving grace of the American government is that an actual coup is necessary for a guy like Trump to seize any more power than he already has.
 
2017-09-13 11:41:05 AM  
The failed (so far as is known) Russian attempt to gain access...
 
2017-09-13 11:41:06 AM  

DeaH: edmo: "Reset." Isn't that the thing Obama was ridiculed for.

Obama was trying to reset to turn the United States into an ineffective, do-nothing apologizer who tyrannically drives up insurance rates, imposes the Sharia, and encourages black people to act up.


I believe "get uppity" is the preferred nomenclature.
 
2017-09-13 11:44:28 AM  

Wessoman: Interesting tidbit FTFA:

In pushing its reset plan, Moscow seemed to underestimate the political blowback the Trump administration would face if it carried out a large-scale rapprochement amid high-profile investigations by the FBI and Congress into allegations of collusion with Russia.
"Putin doesn't seem to understand that Trump's powers are not the same as his," said Steven Pifer, a Russia expert at the Brookings Institution. "The checks and balances, the special prosecutor and congressional investigations have tied Trump's hands in ways that didn't occur to Putin."

Basically, Putin was thrilled his Manchurian candidate plan worked, but ended up looking like a Chihuahua hanging on to the bumper of a speeding car. Both Trump and Putin had no idea how the Presidency actually works, they just wallow in lazy autocracy. And that will be the downfall for both men.


So Putin falls back to his initial position, which was to create chaos in the federal government.  During the time between the release of Mueller's report and when Trump finally leaves office the government will be almost completely paralyzed.

During the Yom Kippur War:
"When Kissinger asked Haig whether [Nixon] should be wakened, the White House chief of staff replied firmly 'No.' Haig clearly shared Kissinger's feelings that Nixon was in no shape to make weighty decisions."
 
2017-09-13 11:45:06 AM  

Grungehamster: The laziness of assuming "I'm President now, everyone does what I say" without taking full grip of the reigns of power is what might take him down if that truly was the case.


I think it is what will take him down, in the sense that this is how Trump governed the US, up until Charlottesville. By that time, however, he had already bullied, then fired Director Comey like a lazy autocrat.

Sure our democratic safeguards were not enough to keep this loser out of power, BUT the fact that he can't actually do the job is what not only saves our bacon, but puts him in the clink.
 
2017-09-13 11:45:40 AM  
TFA: "When the Russians submitted this proposal, they were under the impression that Trump would do what he said he would do"

Rookie mistake. Apparently they didn't really know Trump.
 
2017-09-13 11:47:21 AM  

secularsage: It's frankly amazing that our system of government is not only set up to somehow allow these bold-faced scandals to continue, but also to weather the storm by limiting the president's power.

The reporting, from many angles, has shown that Trump and his political team / administration have likely colluded with the Russians. The reporting has shown that Trump's relationship with the Russians goes back to the 1980s. The reporting has shown that Trump had interests in Moscow in 2015 when his campaign began. Trump himself called on Russians to hack his political opponent in an open speech. The Kremlin likely has leverage on Trump. Russian citizens widely believe Trump is working for their interests on behalf of Putin.

This isn't political dirt, nor is it coming from left-leaning fringe sites. This is well-sourced, vetted information published by journalists who often express surprise at how poorly these things are hidden. There's absolutely no reason this guy should still be president, and the only saving grace of the American government is that an actual coup is necessary for a guy like Trump to seize any more power than he already has.


The Framers never planned for this level of executive overreach (remember when the GOP was screaming about that?) nor did they plan for a legislature completely uninterested in being a proper check on the executive. So we're boned, basically. The Brits get it right with their dissolution of Parliament: "Whoops we farked this one up, OK let's try again. Election in two months. See you all then.!
 
2017-09-13 11:50:25 AM  

togaman2k: Also, he's the farking head of the CIA.  What is the head of the CIA doing taking a trip to Moscow to meet with Russian government officials?

/Buzzfeed is blocked at work so I can't actually read the article.


At this point we can only assume total compromise.
 
2017-09-13 11:52:32 AM  

qorkfiend: togaman2k: hammettman: togaman2k: It's easier at this point to list Trump administration officials that have NOT taken secret trips to Russia or met secretly with Russian officials in the US since the beginning of the campaign.

This happened after the 2016 campaign was over and Trump was in office, so I guess it skirts the "foreign involvement in a campaign" issue and he wouldn't have to openly lie to congress about his trip and have them not care anyway.  Although, technically, Trump has already officially started his 2020 campaign, so...

This would be the greatest TKO in political history if Trump's immediate filing of campaign paperwork is the technicality that gets Pompeo removed and thrown in jail along with Trump for this stunt.

You'd have to prove that Pompeo was working on behalf of the campaign when he went. The fact that Trump is a registered candidate for 2020 does not mean that every executive branch employee is a member of the campaign.


Though, for all intents and purposes, they are.  Why is Trump holding rallies if not to campaign?
 
2017-09-13 11:52:54 AM  

ArkPanda: So Putin falls back to his initial position, which was to create chaos in the federal government. During the time between the release of Mueller's report and when Trump finally leaves office the government will be almost completely paralyzed.


Perhaps, but remember, Putin's initial position was untenable. The plan was for Trump to get rid of the sanctions, as currently the average Russian is spending more than half their paycheck on FOOD, much less housing and other expenses. Trump has failed to lift the sanctions on Russia, among many things.

"The whole use NK as a distraction for a Ukraine grab" stratagem (Which the NATO commander is preparing for) seems like a desperate hail mary at this point. He needs Ukrainian wheat and resources to prop up his flagging domestic economy. But if the US doesn't bite on NK, Russia can't wreck the world economy ("Chaos is a ladder" lulz) and will be even worse off than before, as now thanks to Trump, Brexit, and other election tampering, now everybody will be pointing guns at Russia in addition to sanctions.
 
2017-09-13 11:55:26 AM  

blackminded: togaman2k: hat is the head of the CIA doing taking a trip to Moscow to meet with Russian government officials?

In regular order it would be acceptable for Pompeo to meet with his SVR counterpart. However since our President and much of his administration are compromised assets, this is not regular order.

/none of this is normal
//even Clancy wouldn't think of this shiat


Clancy would never expect the GOP to go face down, ass up as they did during the months before and after the election

Everyone knows what happened.  The Amazing thing is that your average armchair Republican would rather serve Russia than the United States.
 
2017-09-13 12:04:59 PM  
Reset is my safeword when playing Minecraft Solitaire.
 
2017-09-13 12:06:43 PM  
Not sure how we know Russia hasn't gotten intel.

I've been assuming they have. Whether deliberate or by sheer incompetence, I bet Joffrey's told them some shiat. At least until Kelly came in. I have always assumed that's Kelly's role: to keep our stupid, stupid president from giving valuable information to anybody who asks just so he can feel important.

He was brought in to lock shiat down, since nobody else seemed either interested in doing it or capable of it. And since he's drop kicked that worthless asshole Priebus and the other worthless asshole Bannon out, I'd say he's on the right track. Hopefully.

Priebus and Bannon don't give a fark what happens to our govt or our country, but I'm guessing Kelly does. He hasn't been in the military as long as he has to watch it all be given away by our stupid, stupid president. Again, hopefully.
 
2017-09-13 12:13:26 PM  

LarryDan43: Just forget about that Israeli ISIS spy Trump immediately gave up to the Russians.


Or the 12 Russians that died immediately after Trump and Flynn started receiving intelligence briefings in December.
 
2017-09-13 12:18:49 PM  

secularsage: It's frankly amazing that our system of government is not only set up to somehow allow these bold-faced scandals to continue, but also to weather the storm by limiting the president's power.

The reporting, from many angles, has shown that Trump and his political team / administration have likely colluded with the Russians. The reporting has shown that Trump's relationship with the Russians goes back to the 1980s. The reporting has shown that Trump had interests in Moscow in 2015 when his campaign began. Trump himself called on Russians to hack his political opponent in an open speech. The Kremlin likely has leverage on Trump. Russian citizens widely believe Trump is working for their interests on behalf of Putin.

This isn't political dirt, nor is it coming from left-leaning fringe sites. This is well-sourced, vetted information published by journalists who often express surprise at how poorly these things are hidden. There's absolutely no reason this guy should still be president, and the only saving grace of the American government is that an actual coup is necessary for a guy like Trump to seize any more power than he already has.


Our system is set up under the assumption that people will "do the right thing". This leaves a lot of grey area in which to operate. People need to be able to figure out how to make things work, and not be rigidly constrained by the framing documents.

Unfortunately, the current majority of congresscritters and those that hold the levers of power in congress are all caught up in the corruption, so have no incentive to fix things.
 
2017-09-13 12:32:50 PM  

Grungehamster: If you want to put on a tinfoil hat, here is Seth Abramson claiming that the documents being from April and Comey's firing in early May are related: Trump didn't want to take action with the possibility that it would be connected to Russian foul play so he demanded Comey clear him publicly first so he could take action. When he didn't after three requests he decided to get rid of him (which explains why Trump told the Russians he faced "great pressure" from Comey that has since been "taken off".)

For reference, Comey said he told Trump he was not under investigation in person on 1/6/17 and over the phone on both 3/30/17 and 4/11/17. He said he wasn't going to make a public statement because it would create a "duty to correct" like he had to with the Weiner e-mailed mess should the investigation eventually lead him to Trump.


Comey had no duty to correct when he sent that letter to Chaffetz.  That would have come after obtaining a warrant and after verifying the alleged documents.

Comey is a lying piece of shiat that allowed himself to be rag-dolled by GOP partisans.  This is why Trump wants Comey investigated--it's not so much to scuttle the Russia Investigation directly as it is to expose a conspiracy on behalf of a faction of the GOP that leaned heavily on Comey during his Clinton Investigation.  You can bet that a review of Comey's communications with Republicans in Congress during the investigation would be earth shattering--my guess is that 8 to 20 GOP Congresspersons will be removed from Congress if the Trump Administration decides to investigate Comey's conduct during the Clinton Email investigation.

Comey was no friend of Hillary Clinton.  He made statements tailored to obviate presumption of innocence at a time when he was drawing up documents indicating that he already knew there was no criminal wrongdoing.

It's called framing for a reason.  And it didn't happen in a vacuum.  Trump is letting the GOP know that if they continue to expose him, he is going to repay them in kind.

Get your popcorn ready.
 
2017-09-13 12:33:50 PM  

LarryDan43: Just forget about that Israeli ISIS spy Trump immediately gave up to the Russians.


The only good thing from that is after you get set on fire for a while or beheaded, ISIS couldn't kill him a second time, so there is that.
 
2017-09-13 12:38:07 PM  

Wessoman: Basically, Putin was thrilled his Manchurian candidate plan worked, but ended up looking like a Chihuahua hanging on to the bumper of a speeding car. Both Trump and Putin had no idea how the Presidency actually works, they just wallow in lazy autocracy. And that will be the downfall for both men.


This is beautifully written, Man of Wesso.
 
2017-09-13 12:45:52 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Comey is a lying piece of shiat that allowed himself to be rag-dolled by GOP partisans.  This is why Trump wants Comey investigated--it's not so much to scuttle the Russia Investigation directly as it is to expose a conspiracy on behalf of a faction of the GOP that leaned heavily on Comey during his Clinton Investigation.  You can bet that a review of Comey's communications with Republicans in Congress during the investigation would be earth shattering--my guess is that 8 to 20 GOP Congresspersons will be removed from Congress if the Trump Administration decides to investigate Comey's conduct during the Clinton Email investigation.


What law do you believe was broken by these Congressmen? Would it be equally scandalous/illegal if Democratic Congressmen contacted him asking him to please hurry and exculpate Clinton because the cloud around her would potentially impact the election?

I think members of Congress likely sent him messages encouraging him to act one way or another but ultimately that has no more bearing that Democratic Congressmen asking the IRS to pay attention to tea party group non-profit applications or for Republican Congressmen to ask the IRS to approve those applications. Far more scandalous if the person actually took the advice OR the Congressman sought to alter policy as a result of their reaction (to either reward or retaliate against it.)
 
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