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2017-09-13 11:36:00 AM  
Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc
 
2017-09-13 11:58:28 AM  
I'm sure that's a very interesting article and I'll save it for when I have more time.

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2017-09-13 12:57:23 PM  
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2017-09-13 12:58:54 PM  
I for one have given up hope. People are not going to change. It is too late to make the dramatic actions necessary. The rich will be fine everyone else will suffer.

Where we are headed...
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2017-09-13 12:59:30 PM  

Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc


  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.
 
2017-09-13 01:03:02 PM  
Want to lose weight? Eat fewer calories than you burn. If you currently eat 3k calories per day and you are maintaining weight, then lower is to 2500 or lower.

Fat is stored energy. Everybody obeys the laws of physics. You can't create energy
 
2017-09-13 01:03:43 PM  
Are you saying farkers didn't beat anorexia fair and square?
 
2017-09-13 01:04:53 PM  

Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.


It's almost as though you could lose equivalent amount of weight on almost any diet, not just the latest fad one.
 
2017-09-13 01:07:13 PM  
That's right. I baked a sheet of cookies in my car today. They were delicious.
 
2017-09-13 01:10:13 PM  
Ctrl+f "global warming" 0 results.

Way to go, subby.
 
2017-09-13 01:13:57 PM  

Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.


People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".

Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.
 
2017-09-13 01:14:14 PM  
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2017-09-13 01:20:01 PM  
I'm not fat!!  I'm stout!!

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2017-09-13 01:21:12 PM  

Ned Stark: Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.

People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".

Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.


Increasingly sedentary jobs is certainly part of the problem
 
2017-09-13 01:25:46 PM  

machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.

People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".

Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.

Increasingly sedentary jobs is certainly part of the problem


Citation?
 
2017-09-13 01:26:51 PM  

Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.


Incorrect.

Carbohydrate metabolism has a storage process (insulin turns excess in glycogen).  Fat/lipid storage does not (excess is excreted).
 
2017-09-13 01:35:17 PM  

machoprogrammer: Want to lose weight? Eat fewer calories than you burn. If you currently eat 3k calories per day and you are maintaining weight, then lower is to 2500 or lower.

Fat is stored energy. Everybody obeys the laws of physics. You can't create energy


This is very confusing to people that swear they gained 18lbs because they ate one cookie.  It's like eating that cookie causes your body to pull in matter from thin air, convert it to fat, and hold on to it.
 
2017-09-13 01:40:22 PM  

Ned Stark: Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.

People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".

Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.


People are eating more than they were back in the day.

Why they are is an interesting discussion.


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/you sound fat
 
2017-09-13 01:41:09 PM  

Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.


nope
Carbs ARE a "magic, fat causing micronutrient"

well okay, they are a trigger for the body to create insulin, and Insulin in turn is a trigger for the Body to create Series II Eicosaniods.  One of those Eicosanoids  tells the body to store fat.   When Gulcagon is prevalent in the Bloodstream it switches on the opposite number eicosanoid that causes the body to burn fat.   Calories barely figure into this equation at all
 
2017-09-13 01:48:48 PM  

Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.


Yes, I understand and agree with what you're saying. But it's not helpful to just keep blurting out the mantra "CICO". You have to have a plan to make it happen. I also went lie carb as my plan, and list 50 pounds in 6 months. I don't have the desire to go calorie counting, but I can have a diet of minimally processed food, and nothing with added sugar in it.

Yes, it leads to a calorie deficit. I don't get why people needs that stated explicitly when it's understood. Otherwise we wouldn't be losing weight.
 
2017-09-13 01:53:33 PM  

Ned Stark: machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.

People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".

Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.

Increasingly sedentary jobs is certainly part of the problem

Citation?


Moving around less burns fewer calories, which get stored as fat. Shocking, I know.
 
2017-09-13 01:53:41 PM  

Gleeman: Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.

It's almost as though you could lose equivalent amount of weight on almost any diet, not just the latest fad one.


and yet that's proven dramatically wrong in every scientific study on the matter Med diet and Low carb smoke every other diet for weight loss.  Here's the secret and why engineers cannot in fact run the world.  "calories" are an utterly useless measure of food intake.  you body is not a perfect combustion system, and it does not process all calories equally.  You could eat 10,000 calories of dietary fiber a day and die of starvation because You body cannot break that fiber down and make use of it.   Similarly if you ate lean protein and no fat you are susceptible to "rabbit starvation" a form of Malnutrition

Similarly, once you have reached the point of Ketosis on a low carb diet, you Fat intake virtually does not matter because your body barely processes it, sending it through the waste system intact (though a small amount is used to stave off Rabbit Starvation).

There is no universal measure of "food value", nor is there one "proper diet" that works for everyone.  The presence or absence of other nutrients in your diet, genetic factors (like being able to make use of lactose) and the particular strain of intestinal flora and fauna you have all play a role.  Anybody who tell you different is misinformed or selling something
 
2017-09-13 01:54:40 PM  

Magorn: Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.

nope
Carbs ARE a "magic, fat causing micronutrient"

well okay, they are a trigger for the body to create insulin, and Insulin in turn is a trigger for the Body to create Series II Eicosaniods.  One of those Eicosanoids  tells the body to store fat.   When Gulcagon is prevalent in the Bloodstream it switches on the opposite number eicosanoid that causes the body to burn fat.   Calories barely figure into this equation at all


Yup. Agreed.

And people have the wrong idea about burning calories too.

Some chart tells you that riding a mile on your stationary bike burns 75 calories? HAHAHAHA! This is what people who don't ride bikes burn. Once your body becomes used to riding a stationary bike, it will burn much, much, much less calories in doing it. Your daily exercise routine IS good for you, BUT, it isn't burning a bunch of calories once you have grown accustomed to it. You genuinely CAN'T exercise weight away. Diet only. Science fact.
 
2017-09-13 01:54:54 PM  
I guess nobody read the article. It really doesn't need comments on fat people or how to lose weight.

A brief summary is that plants which get a larger amount of sunlight and CO2  are better at growing and making carbohydrates but will have less other nutrition. Global warming causes increased empty calories.
 
2017-09-13 01:57:06 PM  

rustypouch: Ned Stark: Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.

People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".

Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.

People are eating more than they were back in the day.

Why they are is an interesting discussion.


The mechanisms that make them stop getting hungry are broken down for one reason or another.

/you sound fat
As someone who was formerly "morbidly obese", is now "obese," and is on track to be regular ass "overweight" by the end of the year, well, yep. Pretty fat. But I'm working on it.
 
2017-09-13 01:58:06 PM  

Magorn: Gleeman: Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.

It's almost as though you could lose equivalent amount of weight on almost any diet, not just the latest fad one.

and yet that's proven dramatically wrong in every scientific study on the matter Med diet and Low carb smoke every other diet for weight loss.  Here's the secret and why engineers cannot in fact run the world.  "calories" are an utterly useless measure of food intake.  you body is not a perfect combustion system, and it does not process all calories equally.  You could eat 10,000 calories of dietary fiber a day and die of starvation because You body cannot break that fiber down and make use of it.   Similarly if you ate lean protein and no fat you are susceptible to "rabbit starvation" a form of Malnutrition

Similarly, once you have reached the point of Ketosis on a low carb diet, you Fat intake virtually does not matter because your body barely processes it, sending it through the waste system intact (though a small amount is used to stave off Rabbit Starvation).

There is no universal measure of "food value", nor is there one "proper diet" that works for everyone.  The presence or absence of other nutrients in your diet, genetic factors (like being able to make use of lactose) and the particular strain of intestinal flora and fauna you have all play a role.  Anybody who tell you different is misinformed or selling something


You are missing the point. The idea is that if you want to lose weight, eat less food. It's still the laws of physics. Insulin doesn't disregard the laws of physics. Nor does anything in this universe.

A dietitian professor lost weight eating nothing but twinkies because he stayed under his TDEE.
 
2017-09-13 01:59:26 PM  

Ned Stark: People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".
Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.


Inactive lifestyles, and getting worse all the time? Tempting food on every corner? Snacking all day long? Having food at every conceivable social occasion, and then going out to eat all the time besides? Everything we eat now being packaged in bite-size packages, so we can toss it down our throats and hardly notice that we did it? Fancy coffees that have 800 calories, instead of 0, and are somehow now necessary for life? Plain old lack of responsibility, just like we see in every other facet of American society now?
Fat acceptance and vanity sizing and endless rationalizations for becoming obese over only a couple of generations?

No--none of those things made us fat It's something that is completely out of our control. We're being drugged, made compliant. How convenient.
 
2017-09-13 02:02:21 PM  

machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.

People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".

Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.

Increasingly sedentary jobs is certainly part of the problem

Citation?

Moving around less burns fewer calories, which get stored as fat. Shocking, I know.


People who burn fewer calories also typically eat less. Even fatties who eat too much eat less too much. Weight seems to very naturally bracket in on a specific target in the absence of constant focused effort.

Something about the modern diet is breaking the targeting mechanism.
 
2017-09-13 02:03:26 PM  
Food has been declining in nutritional value since well before the climate change of the last thirty years. Oranges grown in Florida in the 1950s ripened naturally and had more vitamin C in them. Now they are picked green dyed a uniform orange and waxed to protect them against transporation and storage, but they come to your hand unripe and less nutritious.

The name of God is Profit not Nutrition or Health or even Nature. The only people who eat real oranges grow them in their gardens.
 
2017-09-13 02:04:35 PM  

HairBolus: I guess nobody read the article. It really doe7sn't need comments on fat people or how to lose weight.

A brief summary is that plants which get a larger amount of sunlight and CO2  are better at growing and making carbohydrates but will have less other nutrition. Global warming causes increased empty calories.


How the fark did you comprehend the mechanisms at play, plainly state them, and then shiat out the nonsense about global warming being the cause in the very same paragraph?
 
2017-09-13 02:04:48 PM  

Ned Stark: rustypouch: Ned Stark: Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.

People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".

Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.

People are eating more than they were back in the day.

Why they are is an interesting discussion.

The mechanisms that make them stop getting hungry are broken down for one reason or another.

/you sound fat
As someone who was formerly "morbidly obese", is now "obese," and is on track to be regular ass "overweight" by the end of the year, well, yep. Pretty fat. But I'm working on it.


Yeah, modern processed food design and marketing fascinates me. How much work goes into making junk delicious, but not satisfying.

Nice work with the loss. Keep it up. As someone who's dropped about 70lbs, going from obese to the healthy range, it's well worth it.
 
2017-09-13 02:07:21 PM  

Ned Stark: machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.

People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".

Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.

Increasingly sedentary jobs is certainly part of the problem

Citation?

Moving around less burns fewer calories, which get stored as fat. Shocking, I know.

People who burn fewer calories also typically eat less. Even fatties who eat too much eat less too much. Weight seems to very naturally bracket in on a specific target in the absence of constant focused effort.

Something about the modern diet is breaking the targeting mechanism.


100% false. Ever work in an office? Someone brings in donuts, a person (who barely exercises) will eat two. That's 600 calories right there. Add in an 800 calorie drink from starbucks, and that's 1400 calories right there. Then going to McDonalds for lunch, that's another 1k calories. Dinner time is probably another 1k calories. That's 3400 calories right there. You don't have to eat a lot to consume a lot of calories when you eat a lot of calorie dense food.
 
2017-09-13 02:08:57 PM  

cryinoutloud: Ned Stark: People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".
Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.

Inactive lifestyles, and getting worse all the time? Tempting food on every corner? Snacking all day long? Having food at every conceivable social occasion, and then going out to eat all the time besides? Everything we eat now being packaged in bite-size packages, so we can toss it down our throats and hardly notice that we did it? Fancy coffees that have 800 calories, instead of 0, and are somehow now necessary for life? Plain old lack of responsibility, just like we see in every other facet of American society now?
Fat acceptance and vanity sizing and endless rationalizations for becoming obese over only a couple of generations?

No--none of those things made us fat It's something that is completely out of our control. We're being drugged, made compliant. How convenient.


Fat acceptance post dates people actually getting fat. Inactive lifestyles predate everyone getting fat by a long time. I don't think willingness to take responsibility has changed as much as the memes say.

The rest of those things are reasonable suspects and deserve scrutiny.
 
2017-09-13 02:10:33 PM  

Ned Stark: cryinoutloud: Ned Stark: People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".
Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.

Inactive lifestyles, and getting worse all the time? Tempting food on every corner? Snacking all day long? Having food at every conceivable social occasion, and then going out to eat all the time besides? Everything we eat now being packaged in bite-size packages, so we can toss it down our throats and hardly notice that we did it? Fancy coffees that have 800 calories, instead of 0, and are somehow now necessary for life? Plain old lack of responsibility, just like we see in every other facet of American society now?
Fat acceptance and vanity sizing and endless rationalizations for becoming obese over only a couple of generations?

No--none of those things made us fat It's something that is completely out of our control. We're being drugged, made compliant. How convenient.

Fat acceptance post dates people actually getting fat. Inactive lifestyles predate everyone getting fat by a long time. I don't think willingness to take responsibility has changed as much as the memes say.

The rest of those things are reasonable suspects and deserve scrutiny.


It's still the laws of physics. You cannot create fat without unused calories. Fat is stored energy.  If someone wants to lose weight, they need to eat fewer calories (food that is very sparse in calories, like vegetables, work great) and move more (to burn more calories). It really is simple.

/former fat ass
//started tracking calories and working out
 
2017-09-13 02:11:26 PM  
The problems include soil depletion, processing (juicing removes the fibre from oranges and many minerals and vitamins, concentration, shipping and storage remove more nutrients, as does time alone). Cooking removes further nutrients. Breeding for looks and other "desirable" consumer properties also subtracts from the nutritional quality. So it is a lose-lose situation for consumers and health when corporations and markets determine what is "good" and what is unimportant because unprofitable.
 
2017-09-13 02:14:21 PM  
But our libertarian climate experts have assured me that global warming is going to be a godsend once we get to grow all sorts of wheat and corn with our new and improved CO2-rich atmosphere. Ignore the unpredictability of rainfall events and drought cycles, not to mention the soil poverty of melted tundra, now you're telling me that they might be a wash nutritionally as well? Unpossible!
 
2017-09-13 02:15:45 PM  

machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.

People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".

Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.

Increasingly sedentary jobs is certainly part of the problem


While intuitive, studies have suggested this is probably not true. People appear to have not become more sedentary since the 1970s (when the problem began) but have increased their caloric intake.
 
2017-09-13 02:18:47 PM  

machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.

People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".

Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.

Increasingly sedentary jobs is certainly part of the problem

Citation?

Moving around less burns fewer calories, which get stored as fat. Shocking, I know.

People who burn fewer calories also typically eat less. Even fatties who eat too much eat less too much. Weight seems to very naturally bracket in on a specific target in the absence of constant focused effort.

Something about the modern diet is breaking the targeting mechanism.

100% false.


The research data on this is fairly strong.

 Someone brings in donuts, a person (who barely exercises) will eat two. That's 600 calories right there. Add in an 800 calorie drink from starbucks, and that's 1400 calories right there. Then going to McDonalds for lunch, that's another 1k calories. Dinner time is probably another 1k calories. That's 3400 calories right there. You don't have to eat a lot to consume a lot of calories when you eat a lot of calorie dense food.

There are hunter gatherer tribe that get over of their calories from honey. Chasing down bee hives isn't a particularly strenuous activity and they are basically eating liquid sugar as a staple. Yet: no fat hunter gatherers. They eat enough to maintain their weight because they only get that hungry. Their body can cope with low activity, and high calorie density just fine and stop being hungry.

It doesn't work like that for people on modern industrialized western diets. Something is different.
 
2017-09-13 02:23:33 PM  

Ned Stark: machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: Falco09: Magorn: Have lost 90lbs in 3 months simply by going Low-carb , I would say if excess carbs are creeping into our food supply it would explain a LOT about the obesity epidemic, the cancer rate increase, the amount of heart disease we are seeing, etc

  That's awesome. But please realize you lost the weight because you were in a caloric deficit, not because carbs are some magic fat causing macronutrient.

People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".

Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.

Increasingly sedentary jobs is certainly part of the problem

Citation?

Moving around less burns fewer calories, which get stored as fat. Shocking, I know.

People who burn fewer calories also typically eat less. Even fatties who eat too much eat less too much. Weight seems to very naturally bracket in on a specific target in the absence of constant focused effort.

Something about the modern diet is breaking the targeting mechanism.

100% false.

The research data on this is fairly strong.

 Someone brings in donuts, a person (who barely exercises) will eat two. That's 600 calories right there. Add in an 800 calorie drink from starbucks, and that's 1400 calories right there. Then going to McDonalds for lunch, that's another 1k calories. Dinner time is probably another 1k calories. That's 3400 calories right there. You don't have to eat a lot to consume a lot of calories when you eat a lot of calorie dense food.

There are hunter gatherer tribe that get over of their calories from honey. Chasing down bee hives isn't a particularly strenuous activity and they are basically eating liquid sugar as a staple. Yet: no fat hunter gatherers. They eat enough to maintain their weight ...


citation needed

Hunter/gatherers burn a ton of calories. Sitting in an office chair is not burning many calories.

You have to be a troll. I can't believe you arguing that people are violating the laws of thermodynamics.
 
2017-09-13 02:26:07 PM  
As an aside, watch "My 600 lb Life". Most of the time, the person in the show will say "Oh I am not eating much but I am still gaining weight!". It turns out they are full of shiat and are eating a ton. However, they still say that so the doctor puts them in a weight loss ward of the hospital and magically they lose weight when they have their food intake monitored. Imagine that!
 
2017-09-13 02:32:39 PM  

machoprogrammer: You have to be a troll. I can't believe you arguing that people are violating the laws of thermodynamics.


I have some no such thing. Eating fewer calories than you burn will, in fact, cause weight loss.

I simply argue that, no, chanting "CICO!" and telling people to have discipline or whatever isn't going to solve this public health crisis. People being to weak to control themselves isnt the crux of the issue. The interactions between the modern diet and the underlying biology of hunger which make people more hungry than they really ought to be are.

Sure it means you don't get a chance to finger wag at people for failing to hold themselves to a decent standard, but it could actually achieve something.
 
2017-09-13 02:33:02 PM  

machoprogrammer: As an aside, watch "My 600 lb Life". Most of the time, the person in the show will say "Oh I am not eating much but I am still gaining weight!". It turns out they are full of shiat and are eating a ton. However, they still say that so the doctor puts them in a weight loss ward of the hospital and magically they lose weight when they have their food intake monitored. Imagine that!


Same think with the British show "Secret Eaters." Many are just unaware of how much they're consuming.
 
2017-09-13 02:33:44 PM  

Ned Stark: machoprogrammer: You have to be a troll. I can't believe you arguing that people are violating the laws of thermodynamics.

I have some no such thing. Eating fewer calories than you burn will, in fact, cause weight loss.

I simply argue that, no, chanting "CICO!" and telling people to have discipline or whatever isn't going to solve this public health crisis. People being to weak to control themselves isnt the crux of the issue. The interactions between the modern diet and the underlying biology of hunger which make people more hungry than they really ought to be are.

Sure it means you don't get a chance to finger wag at people for failing to hold themselves to a decent standard, but it could actually achieve something.


But it really is that simple. Put down the damn donut and eat some vegetables. You will lose weight.
 
2017-09-13 02:41:19 PM  

machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: machoprogrammer: You have to be a troll. I can't believe you arguing that people are violating the laws of thermodynamics.

I have some no such thing. Eating fewer calories than you burn will, in fact, cause weight loss.

I simply argue that, no, chanting "CICO!" and telling people to have discipline or whatever isn't going to solve this public health crisis. People being to weak to control themselves isnt the crux of the issue. The interactions between the modern diet and the underlying biology of hunger which make people more hungry than they really ought to be are.

Sure it means you don't get a chance to finger wag at people for failing to hold themselves to a decent standard, but it could actually achieve something.

But it really is that simple. Put down the damn donut and eat some vegetables. You will lose weight.


If ya'll would read the article, ya'll would know we're seeing a nutrient deficit + carb/sugar increase in everything including vegetables.
 
2017-09-13 02:41:44 PM  

machoprogrammer: As an aside, watch "My 600 lb Life". Most of the time, the person in the show will say "Oh I am not eating much but I am still gaining weight!". It turns out they are full of shiat and are eating a ton. However, they still say that so the doctor puts them in a weight loss ward of the hospital and magically they lose weight when they have their food intake monitored. Imagine that!


Maybe they ate 3500 calories at first, and dropped to 2500, which would probably be "not much" for them as they see their portion sizes cut by a third, but it might still be 500 more than they need.
 
2017-09-13 02:50:57 PM  

machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: cryinoutloud: Ned Stark: People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".
Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.

Inactive lifestyles, and getting worse all the time? Tempting food on every corner? Snacking all day long? Having food at every conceivable social occasion, and then going out to eat all the time besides? Everything we eat now being packaged in bite-size packages, so we can toss it down our throats and hardly notice that we did it? Fancy coffees that have 800 calories, instead of 0, and are somehow now necessary for life? Plain old lack of responsibility, just like we see in every other facet of American society now?
Fat acceptance and vanity sizing and endless rationalizations for becoming obese over only a couple of generations?

No--none of those things made us fat It's something that is completely out of our control. We're being drugged, made compliant. How convenient.

Fat acceptance post dates people actually getting fat. Inactive lifestyles predate everyone getting fat by a long time. I don't think willingness to take responsibility has changed as much as the memes say.

The rest of those things are reasonable suspects and deserve scrutiny.

It's still the laws of physics. You cannot create fat without unused calories. Fat is stored energy.  If someone wants to lose weight, they need to eat fewer calories (food that is very sparse in calories, like vegetables, work great) and move more (to burn more calories). It really is simple.

/former fat ass
//started tracking calories and working out


Yes, you CAN starve yourself into losing weight, but it is not the most efficient way to do it nor the healthiest.   A close friend of mine used to weigh about 350lbs till one day she got really serious about strict dieting and massive amounts of exercise.  Fast forward about 3 1/2 year and she was training for her first Ironman Triathlon.  When she completed it, she was offered a spot on her country's Paralympic Triathlon team (did I mention she's also legally blind?  a remarkable human being).

Big success story, should be on an episode of Oprah and write a "how I did it" inspirational book right?

Nope.  as I figured out early on inour friendship and her doctor finally convinced her of when her BMI dipped below 17 (with all her marathon triathelte musculature mind you), she's basically lost all that weight by giving herself eating disorders, Anorexia, with a heavy side of Bulimia(exercising not purging) Basically she'd leverage sheer self-hatred as a diet plan and because of her an iron will, she was able to literally starve herself for days on end.   Yes she lost weight but she was literally on a path to full systemic collapse before the doc and I convinced he to "pull up"

Happy to report she had several personal epiphanies since then and is much better and about 20+ lbs from her lowest, though she still ran the London Marathon this year and may do the Maastricht Tri...but for fun now...

The point is you CAN lose weight by severely restricting your calories and being hungry all the time, but ti the LEAST healthy way to lose weight. First off you are fighting your body's built in famine defenses, that basically metabolize food more effectively, squeezing every last calorie out of them   Secondly you  are lacking essential nutrients that way unless you are VERY careful and able to supplement and third your body will scavenge muscle, bone AND fat when losing weight that way whereas if you hit the metabolic trigger available in low carb diets you burn fat exclusively (especially if your low carb is also high protien)
 
2017-09-13 02:52:17 PM  
So it has nothing to do with all these twinkies I'm eating?  Excellent.
 
2017-09-13 02:53:15 PM  

Magorn: machoprogrammer: Ned Stark: cryinoutloud: Ned Stark: People didn't wake up in the 80s and just decideto get fat now. Something is causing disregulation of the saitey and hunger systems that normally keep people at a healthy weight and the answer to fixing it probably isnt "lol, willpower".
Carbs might not be the problem, but they are worthy of suspicion.

Inactive lifestyles, and getting worse all the time? Tempting food on every corner? Snacking all day long? Having food at every conceivable social occasion, and then going out to eat all the time besides? Everything we eat now being packaged in bite-size packages, so we can toss it down our throats and hardly notice that we did it? Fancy coffees that have 800 calories, instead of 0, and are somehow now necessary for life? Plain old lack of responsibility, just like we see in every other facet of American society now?
Fat acceptance and vanity sizing and endless rationalizations for becoming obese over only a couple of generations?

No--none of those things made us fat It's something that is completely out of our control. We're being drugged, made compliant. How convenient.

Fat acceptance post dates people actually getting fat. Inactive lifestyles predate everyone getting fat by a long time. I don't think willingness to take responsibility has changed as much as the memes say.

The rest of those things are reasonable suspects and deserve scrutiny.

It's still the laws of physics. You cannot create fat without unused calories. Fat is stored energy.  If someone wants to lose weight, they need to eat fewer calories (food that is very sparse in calories, like vegetables, work great) and move more (to burn more calories). It really is simple.

/former fat ass
//started tracking calories and working out

Yes, you CAN starve yourself into losing weight, but it is not the most efficient way to do it nor the healthiest.   A close friend of mine used to weigh about 350lbs till one day she got really serious about strict diet ...


You do know that it's possible to lose weight without getting an eating disorder, right? You seem to fluctuate between "weight loss is unhealthy" and "it's all modern food! not calories!". You have to be a troll
 
2017-09-13 02:54:08 PM  

DerAppie: machoprogrammer: As an aside, watch "My 600 lb Life". Most of the time, the person in the show will say "Oh I am not eating much but I am still gaining weight!". It turns out they are full of shiat and are eating a ton. However, they still say that so the doctor puts them in a weight loss ward of the hospital and magically they lose weight when they have their food intake monitored. Imagine that!

Maybe they ate 3500 calories at first, and dropped to 2500, which would probably be "not much" for them as they see their portion sizes cut by a third, but it might still be 500 more than they need.


These people were like 650 lb. They would need to eat at least 6500 calories just to maintain weight. The doctor actually told them how many calories to eat per day, but they just ate what they usually did
 
2017-09-13 02:58:29 PM  

machoprogrammer: DerAppie: machoprogrammer: As an aside, watch "My 600 lb Life". Most of the time, the person in the show will say "Oh I am not eating much but I am still gaining weight!". It turns out they are full of shiat and are eating a ton. However, they still say that so the doctor puts them in a weight loss ward of the hospital and magically they lose weight when they have their food intake monitored. Imagine that!

Maybe they ate 3500 calories at first, and dropped to 2500, which would probably be "not much" for them as they see their portion sizes cut by a third, but it might still be 500 more than they need.

These people were like 650 lb. They would need to eat at least 6500 calories just to maintain weight. The doctor actually told them how many calories to eat per day, but they just ate what they usually did


6500? Just eating that much sounds like a chore...
 
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