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2017-09-13 06:03:34 AM  
Is it evil?

Then the Republicans are for it, every time.
 
2017-09-13 06:53:36 AM  
They just hate the idea of anyone undeserving , getting what they see as their money. They would rather spend more money to make sure none of "those" people get any sort of advantage.
 
2017-09-13 08:08:11 AM  
Y'all just don't get it.  If we just get rid of all the poors, then everybody will be rich.  Why don't you libtards want everyone to be rich?
 
2017-09-13 08:11:43 AM  
FTA: The language is vague but appears to refer to a Heritage Foundation proposalthat would require the IRS to "fully verify income through a review of Form W-2, Form 1099, business licensing or registration, and relevant invoices" before dispensing any refunds.

Ahhh the Heritage Foundation. They also only want their certain flavour of extremism on the voter fraud commission, too. http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/350292-heritage-lamented-democ​r​ats-moderate-on-trumps-voter-fraud-commission

These chucklefarks are completely insane.
 
2017-09-13 08:25:35 AM  
Does the IRS not do this already?
 
2017-09-13 08:27:49 AM  
Their entire policy platform?
 
2017-09-13 08:28:23 AM  

qorkfiend: Does the IRS not do this already?


They make it pass the smell test. This wants to upgrade that to full UFIA.
 
2017-09-13 08:29:18 AM  
Oh, I'm sure there's many 'tricks' that will damn us all to Hell.
 
2017-09-13 08:30:03 AM  
We have a Republican government.  The deficit is going to go up regardless.  The treasury isn't going to loot itself, kids...
 
2017-09-13 08:30:28 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Is it evil?

The language is vague but appears to refer to a Heritage Foundation proposalthat would require the IRS to "fully verify income through a review of Form W-2, Form 1099, business licensing or registration, and relevant invoices" before dispensing any refunds. So, a mini-audit.


Confirmed for evil.
 
2017-09-13 08:31:32 AM  

sithon: They just hate the idea of anyone undeserving , getting what they see as their money. They would rather spend more money to make sure none of "those" people get any sort of advantage.


"To pull off this impressive twofer, they would put every American applying for the earned-income tax credit (EITC) through a sort of mini-audit before getting their refund. This would both place huge new burdens on the working poor and divert scarce Internal Revenue Service resources away from other audit targets, such as big corporations, that offer a much higher return on investment. "

While creating a bigger advantage for their buddies.

But both sides are TOTALLY the same.
 
2017-09-13 08:36:11 AM  
How are they simultaneously the party of Labor AND the party trying to crush the working man?

They truly have pullled the worlds greatest con...
 
2017-09-13 08:41:11 AM  
Are you sure about that?  I heard that Republicans are deeply concerned about the deficit.  I feel like they talked about their impassioned opposition to it from 2008 to 2016.  What changed?
 
2017-09-13 08:42:55 AM  
As noted in a report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, conducting mini-audits of all 28 million EITC claimants would be an astonishingly laborious task, both for tax filers and for the IRS.
It would impose huge administrative burdens on low-income workers, many of whom cobble together a living through multiple jobs and part-time "gig economy" positions, from which they may not earn enough money to require a 1099


Party of small government ftw
 
2017-09-13 08:45:54 AM  
No thanks.  Not unless it was discovered by a local mom.
 
2017-09-13 08:49:22 AM  

UNC_Samurai: But both sides are TOTALLY the same.


That's the problem.
Quit pretending the DNC give a damn.
 
2017-09-13 08:49:40 AM  
Apparently it's off topic to point out the groups that support this kind of legislation.

Eat an entire sack of dick modmin
 
2017-09-13 08:54:04 AM  

UNC_Samurai: "To pull off this impressive twofer, they would put every American applying for the earned-income tax credit (EITC) through a sort of mini-audit before getting their refund. This would both place huge new burdens on the working poor and divert scarce Internal Revenue Service resources away from other audit targets, such as big corporations, that offer a much higher return on investment. "While creating a bigger advantage for their buddies.But both sides are TOTALLY the same.


THIS.

qorkfiend: Does the IRS not do this already?


Basically, no. Yes, the IRS does give people "Mini-Audits" (And I would assume 'not so mini Audits') for EITC, but think of the amount of waste that would occur from giving every American that treatment. For example, most people who file EITC are parents who claim their own kids, year after year, and usually during a divorce there is some legal agreement on who claims the dependents, making such mini-audits absolutely useless, because doesn't the IRS already go after people who violate those agreements?

I have no idea what the numbers or percentages are, but I think that screening all these EITC claims as they were fraudulent would suck pretty much all the enforcement budget out of the IRS for no reason... Okay, the reason being so the GOP can protect their rich friends and their tangerine Fuhrer (Who apparently is still 'Under Audit', whatever that means...Because we can't know.)
 
2017-09-13 08:56:44 AM  

neenerist: UNC_Samurai: But both sides are TOTALLY the same.

That's the problem.
Quit pretending the DNC give a damn.


Yup, might as well just vote Republican and get it over with.
 
2017-09-13 09:01:12 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: FTA: The language is vague but appears to refer to a Heritage Foundation proposalthat would require the IRS to "fully verify income through a review of Form W-2, Form 1099, business licensing or registration, and relevant invoices" before dispensing any refunds.

Ahhh the Heritage Foundation. They also only want their certain flavour of extremism on the voter fraud commission, too. http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/350292-heritage-lamented-democr​ats-moderate-on-trumps-voter-fraud-commission

These chucklefarks are completely insane.



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2017-09-13 09:02:58 AM  

Truncks1: Yup, might as well just vote Republican and get it over with.


How clever. How disempowering.
 
2017-09-13 09:03:14 AM  

neenerist: UNC_Samurai: But both sides are TOTALLY the same.

That's the problem.
Quit pretending the DNC give a damn.


I remember how the DNC supported Nazis marching in the streets the other day - such sameness!

Look, chief, they're neoliberal shills beholden to the corporations. But they're neoliberal shills that are beholden to the corporations BUT DON'T WANT AN ETHNO-NATIONALIST CHRISTIAN CALIPHATE.

I'm not sure how you can't see the difference.

Vote for your local Socialists. PLEASE. Vote for your local socialists over the local democrats if you want. But don't pretend that democrats are somehow the same as republicans because you can't process subtlety.
 
2017-09-13 09:07:09 AM  

Wessoman: UNC_Samurai: "To pull off this impressive twofer, they would put every American applying for the earned-income tax credit (EITC) through a sort of mini-audit before getting their refund. This would both place huge new burdens on the working poor and divert scarce Internal Revenue Service resources away from other audit targets, such as big corporations, that offer a much higher return on investment. "While creating a bigger advantage for their buddies.But both sides are TOTALLY the same.

THIS.

qorkfiend: Does the IRS not do this already?

Basically, no. Yes, the IRS does give people "Mini-Audits" (And I would assume 'not so mini Audits') for EITC, but think of the amount of waste that would occur from giving every American that treatment. For example, most people who file EITC are parents who claim their own kids, year after year, and usually during a divorce there is some legal agreement on who claims the dependents, making such mini-audits absolutely useless, because doesn't the IRS already go after people who violate those agreements?

I have no idea what the numbers or percentages are, but I think that screening all these EITC claims as they were fraudulent would suck pretty much all the enforcement budget out of the IRS for no reason... Okay, the reason being so the GOP can protect their rich friends and their tangerine Fuhrer (Who apparently is still 'Under Audit', whatever that means...Because we can't know.)


Thus making it possible to complain about how inefficient and wasteful the IRS is, thus paving the way to eliminate the IRS completely, which is what they want...smaller government, (no regulations), smaller government, (less enforcement), smaller government,...
 
2017-09-13 09:09:38 AM  

invictus2: Tr0mBoNe: FTA: The language is vague but appears to refer to a Heritage Foundation proposalthat would require the IRS to "fully verify income through a review of Form W-2, Form 1099, business licensing or registration, and relevant invoices" before dispensing any refunds.

Ahhh the Heritage Foundation. They also only want their certain flavour of extremism on the voter fraud commission, too. http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/350292-heritage-lamented-democr​ats-moderate-on-trumps-voter-fraud-commission

These chucklefarks are completely insane.[img.fark.net image 630x350]



"Wheel" was better when you were drunk all the time, Pat.
 
2017-09-13 09:10:09 AM  

invictus2: Tr0mBoNe: FTA: The language is vague but appears to refer to a Heritage Foundation proposalthat would require the IRS to "fully verify income through a review of Form W-2, Form 1099, business licensing or registration, and relevant invoices" before dispensing any refunds.

Ahhh the Heritage Foundation. They also only want their certain flavour of extremism on the voter fraud commission, too. http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/350292-heritage-lamented-democr​ats-moderate-on-trumps-voter-fraud-commission

These chucklefarks are completely insane.[img.fark.net image 630x350]


Oh, Pat Sajak, you used to be cool. Said no one, ever.
 
2017-09-13 09:11:38 AM  
The South. Where the chickens can be counted on to vote for the colonel most times.

The blame? An educational system designed for the convenience of goddam corrupt politicians rather  than to teach critical thinking skills to enable the upcoming generations of voters see through ol' Foghorn Leghorn's lies and deceptions.

And it won't change. It's  pretty  much broken beyond repair.
 
2017-09-13 09:12:18 AM  
First they say they don't care about giving out welfare, as long as people are willing to work. Enter the Earned Income Tax Credit.

After a while, they go after that too, showing how disingenuous they were with the first claim.

Kind of like how they don't care about legal immigration, until Trump tried to ban that, and they didn't care about that either.

Some will say the under-riding them is browness, and they aren't wrong.
 
2017-09-13 09:14:58 AM  
Until the people that the GOP keeps punishing can be bothered to consistently participate in the political process, I'm not sure how much I really care anymore.

The GOP, particularly the batshiat wing of it, wouldn't actually have that much power if the people its always attacking could be bothered to vote in national elections regularly and started paying any attention at all to state and local elections.
 
2017-09-13 09:18:43 AM  

invictus2: Tr0mBoNe: FTA: The language is vague but appears to refer to a Heritage Foundation proposalthat would require the IRS to "fully verify income through a review of Form W-2, Form 1099, business licensing or registration, and relevant invoices" before dispensing any refunds.

Ahhh the Heritage Foundation. They also only want their certain flavour of extremism on the voter fraud commission, too. http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/350292-heritage-lamented-democr​ats-moderate-on-trumps-voter-fraud-commission

These chucklefarks are completely insane.[img.fark.net image 630x350]


SH_T _P G_M_SH_W H_ST

Would you like to buy a vowel?
 
2017-09-13 09:20:06 AM  
This is the party of Small Government and making the tax code easier right? Riiiiiiiiiight.
 
2017-09-13 09:26:46 AM  

neenerist: Truncks1: Yup, might as well just vote Republican and get it over with.

How clever. How disempowering.


Oh, I thought your post was the clever one. Such originality and profoundness.
 
2017-09-13 09:28:31 AM  
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TA-DA!

Wow. What a great trick.
 
2017-09-13 09:30:14 AM  
Not seeing much difference from the program passed under Obama and that went into effect this spring.
 
2017-09-13 09:31:01 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Y'all just don't get it.  If we just get rid of all the poors, then everybody will be rich.  Why don't you libtards want everyone to be rich?


Quiet, you. Us poor people have been living the high life for a right good spell and we don't need some blabbermouth to cruel our deal by forcing us to become rich. I don't mind making do with steak and lobster three nights a week. I don't apologize for using a stable of nude Eastern European virgins to function as tables, chairs, sofas because I can't afford real furniture. And if my Rolls has a team of nymphomaniac Scandinavian chauffeurs with vivid imaginations, well, I have to pick up my welfare check, don't I?

Perhaps I've said too much.
 
2017-09-13 09:31:48 AM  
"The IRS brings in far more money than it receives, particularly in its work going after tax cheats."

Imma need an explanation.
 
2017-09-13 09:34:31 AM  
I thought ETIC was that new show on Amazon.
 
2017-09-13 09:47:46 AM  
It doesn't increase the deficit if you divert all IRS resources away from monitoring the taxes of the super rich and major corporations...

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2017-09-13 10:02:21 AM  

neenerist: UNC_Samurai: But both sides are TOTALLY the same.

That's the problem.
Quit pretending the DNC give a damn.


You are talking about welfare reform, written and passed by a Republican controlled congress, and signed into law by a "third way" politician who vetoed the GOP's first two welfare reform bills. But the DNC are to blame, because they allowed a third way politician on their ballot?

We thought having someone who would compromise a bunch would help us get elected. We were right, but sadly he compromised a bunch.

The DNC has a much different platform than the GOP. They fight for MUCH different things, even if we sometimes fail.
 
2017-09-13 10:02:26 AM  

invictus2: Tr0mBoNe: FTA: The language is vague but appears to refer to a Heritage Foundation proposalthat would require the IRS to "fully verify income through a review of Form W-2, Form 1099, business licensing or registration, and relevant invoices" before dispensing any refunds.

Ahhh the Heritage Foundation. They also only want their certain flavour of extremism on the voter fraud commission, too. http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/350292-heritage-lamented-democr​ats-moderate-on-trumps-voter-fraud-commission

These chucklefarks are completely insane.[img.fark.net image 630x350]


Lol. I love how matter of factly he states that, as if the whole world was waiting with bated breath for Deep Thoughts from the host of Wheel of Fortune. Good night.
 
2017-09-13 10:06:09 AM  

NateAsbestos: invictus2: Tr0mBoNe: FTA: The language is vague but appears to refer to a Heritage Foundation proposalthat would require the IRS to "fully verify income through a review of Form W-2, Form 1099, business licensing or registration, and relevant invoices" before dispensing any refunds.

Ahhh the Heritage Foundation. They also only want their certain flavour of extremism on the voter fraud commission, too. http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/350292-heritage-lamented-democr​ats-moderate-on-trumps-voter-fraud-commission

These chucklefarks are completely insane.[img.fark.net image 630x350]

Lol. I love how matter of factly he states that, as if the whole world was waiting with bated breath for Deep Thoughts from the host of Wheel of Fortune. Good night.


I was unaware that Pat Sajak took over the reins from Walter Kronkite

/goodnight
//good luck
 
2017-09-13 10:09:04 AM  

UNC_Samurai: sithon: They just hate the idea of anyone undeserving , getting what they see as their money. They would rather spend more money to make sure none of "those" people get any sort of advantage.

"To pull off this impressive twofer, they would put every American applying for the earned-income tax credit (EITC) through a sort of mini-audit before getting their refund. This would both place huge new burdens on the working poor and divert scarce Internal Revenue Service resources away from other audit targets, such as big corporations, that offer a much higher return on investment. "

While creating a bigger advantage for their buddies.

But both sides are TOTALLY the same.


Yeah, but Hillary and the DNC were totes mean to Bernie.
 
2017-09-13 10:15:28 AM  

Epoch_Zero: NateAsbestos: invictus2: Tr0mBoNe: FTA: The language is vague but appears to refer to a Heritage Foundation proposalthat would require the IRS to "fully verify income through a review of Form W-2, Form 1099, business licensing or registration, and relevant invoices" before dispensing any refunds.

Ahhh the Heritage Foundation. They also only want their certain flavour of extremism on the voter fraud commission, too. http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/350292-heritage-lamented-democr​ats-moderate-on-trumps-voter-fraud-commission

These chucklefarks are completely insane.[img.fark.net image 630x350]

Lol. I love how matter of factly he states that, as if the whole world was waiting with bated breath for Deep Thoughts from the host of Wheel of Fortune. Good night.

I was unaware that Pat Sajak took over the reins from Walter Kronkite

/goodnight
//good luck


That wasn't Cronkite. You're thinking of that guy from The Bad News Bears, Vic Morrow.
 
2017-09-13 10:26:34 AM  

Mambo Bananapatch: "The IRS brings in far more money than it receives, particularly in its work going after tax cheats."

Imma need an explanation.


What's there to understand?

You give the IRS $X budget. They use that money to hire accountants who go over people's tax returns, checking for, um, "errors"... like underrepresenting income, or adding non-deductible stuff to their deductions. In doing so, they make sure that people pay the amount of taxes they actually owe. The difference between what was originally claimed and what is actually paid in taxes is larger than the IRS' budget. By the Treasury's estimate, that "larger" part is actually six times larger.

So we should be increasing the budget, not reducing it, and letting the IRS decide who to go after, giving them a simple mandate to reduce the tax gap. It's an army of boring accountants, they know how to do this better than Speaker Liftbro.
 
2017-09-13 10:42:43 AM  
Do you want socialism? This is how you get socialism.
 
2017-09-13 10:44:28 AM  

sithon: They just hate the idea of anyone undeserving , getting what they see as their money. They would rather spend more money to make sure none of "those" people get any sort of advantage.


Ironic considering the bourgeoisie is perhaps the least deserving of the wealth they have siphoned.

/Not a commie
/Maybe a socialist
/More like well regulated capitalistic system is going to get called socialism in our current political climate.
 
Ant
2017-09-13 10:45:50 AM  
Oh fark you! Do you have to be cartoonishly evil all the time? Jesus farking Christ!
 
2017-09-13 10:47:43 AM  

Saiga410: Not seeing much difference from the program passed under Obama and that went into effect this spring.


TFA explains:

Thanks to a combination of innocent mistakes and outright fraud, though, some EITC money is disbursed erroneously. And so in 2015 Congress passed a bipartisan law to improve the program's integrity. The changes that went into effect this year include a several-week delay in issuing EITC refunds so the IRS can match basic documents such as W-2s and 1099s to tax filers' reported income.
The IRS hasn't yet analyzed the full effect of these changes, though early numbers look promising.
Before the full results are in, however, House Republicans have decided to do something far more drastic.
Sometime in the next few weeks, the House is expected to vote on the fiscal 2018 budget resolution, a procedural step that's designed to pave the way for tax cuts. That's gotten a fair amount of coverage, of course. Less publicized is troubling language in the budget resolution committee report, which proposes decreasing "improper" EITC payments by requiring verification of all income before benefits go out.
The language is vague but appears to refer to a Heritage Foundation proposal that would require the IRS to "fully verify income through a review of Form W-2, Form 1099, business licensing or registration, and relevant invoices" before dispensing any refunds. So, a mini-audit.
As noted in a report from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, conducting mini-audits of all 28 million EITC claimants would be an astonishingly laborious task, both for tax filers and for the IRS.
It would impose huge administrative burdens on low-income workers, many of whom cobble together a living through multiple jobs and part-time "gig economy" positions, from which they may not earn enough money to require a 1099.
At a time when Republicans are flogging tax simplification, this would make tax preparation infinitely more complicated. Unless, of course, the goal is to discourage poor people from applying for the EITC in the first place.


The additional burden seems to come from business licenses, which is administered by states and localities, and specific invoices, which can only come from the individual.

Also just in general, why would you use "Obama did it" to justify a new policy that changes policy that was in place under Obama?
 
Ant
2017-09-13 10:47:48 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Y'all just don't get it.  If we just get rid of all the poors, then everybody will be rich.  Why don't you libtards want everyone to be rich?


Isn't that the plot of The Purge?
 
2017-09-13 10:56:19 AM  
Fark republiderps, there is nothing conservative about them. As always, they still think Reaganomics help the economy despite all the evidence to the contrary. Their policies are to benefit the rich and the corporations, this is the only way to assure a Fascist Republic lead by the few. Our government was established as "For the people, of the people, by the people", nowhere does it state that a hierarchy of rich elites will mandate doctrine over a lower class. We literally had this war already over tyrannical elites and taxation through representation.

Jesus Farking Christ on a piece of toast, people, you have only TWO choices for voting, at the very least vote for the farker that doesn't reach for the Vaseline with the sand and pepper first, go with the one that asks you which Vaseline want plain or full strength.
 
2017-09-13 11:28:29 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Do you want socialism? This is how you get socialism.


Yes please. We must embrace socialism to survive.
 
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