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2017-09-12 02:02:36 AM  
So every car has to be network enabled, can't be started in areas without cell phone (or whatever network is used) coverage, and everyone who lives in the US or ever visits here needs a unique ID linked to a single centralized database just to be able to drive?

That's a pretty stupid idea.
 
2017-09-12 03:10:00 AM  
Another reason for self-driving cars.
 
2017-09-12 03:47:40 AM  
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1 point has been removed from your license.
 
2017-09-12 04:16:27 AM  
Ya know what?

If I'm having a medical emergency, I don't need my goddam car refusing to let a friend get me to help because he's a couple months behind on child support.
 
2017-09-12 04:18:41 AM  
Actually, self driving car at the Johnny Cab level could help. Make it cheaper to hail a ride than even Uber.

But perhaps LSD as a cure for alcoholism is more useful.
 
2017-09-12 04:22:49 AM  
The cyclists were hit by a drunk driver whose license was suspended.  I am thinking the solution here isn't so much about the suspended license than the drunk driver part.  Would it not make more sense for the article to focus more on detecting an intoxicated driver versus detecting if someone has a valid license?
 
2017-09-12 04:29:25 AM  

E.S.Q.: Ya know what?

If I'm having a medical emergency, I don't need my goddam car refusing to let a friend get me to help because he's a couple months behind on child support.


Just wait the 30 minutes for the $2800 ambulance ride to drive you the 5 miles. That's the American way !
 
2017-09-12 04:46:17 AM  
Is this satire?
Maybe because it would add thousands of dollars to the cost of a vehicle? It would be hacked inside of the first 5 minutes it was on the market.
Or, because it would be unworkable if you try to start it when out of range, the network is down or is overloaded?
How about in a mass evacuation scenario like we had last weekend in Florida.
"Oops, sorry. Our network is down. You and you family will have to drown. Have a nice day. Thank you for choosing Jeep. It gets you whhere you want to go."
Why not add an breathalyzer to prevent people driving while intoxicated?
 
2017-09-12 05:21:00 AM  

davidphogan: So every car has to be network enabled, can't be started in areas without cell phone (or whatever network is used) coverage, and everyone who lives in the US or ever visits here needs a unique ID linked to a single centralized database just to be able to drive?

That's a pretty stupid idea.


While I agree it's not the smartest idea ever, the network issue isn't insurmountable.  It could be achieved with a revocation list instead of a live authorization check.  Whenever the vehicle does have a network connection it downloads the lists of revoked licenses, valid licenses allow start, if your license is on the revoked list, then it doesn't do anything.
 
2017-09-12 05:21:25 AM  

davidphogan: So every car has to be network enabled, can't be started in areas without cell phone (or whatever network is used) coverage, and everyone who lives in the US or ever visits here needs a unique ID linked to a single centralized database just to be able to drive?

That's a pretty stupid idea.


No, the chip in the card will refuse authorisation for the car to be driven. No network needed.

And if it's an emergency, press this button. You can drive the car, but the chip in your licence will be flagged, and you'l have to report to the police, explain, and have it re-set, otherwise the next time you try this, it just won't work, and your pregnant wife will give birth in the parking lot.
 
2017-09-12 05:24:23 AM  
Sooooooo, how would that work for foreign visitors renting a car ?
 
2017-09-12 05:27:12 AM  

Pinko_Commie: davidphogan: So every car has to be network enabled, can't be started in areas without cell phone (or whatever network is used) coverage, and everyone who lives in the US or ever visits here needs a unique ID linked to a single centralized database just to be able to drive?

That's a pretty stupid idea.

While I agree it's not the smartest idea ever, the network issue isn't insurmountable.  It could be achieved with a revocation list instead of a live authorization check.  Whenever the vehicle does have a network connection it downloads the lists of revoked licenses, valid licenses allow start, if your license is on the revoked list, then it doesn't do anything.


It won't need a list - the chip in your licence will be flagged "nuh-uh, no driving until xx/yy/zzzz"
 
2017-09-12 05:34:57 AM  
Here's a bus pass. You get your car back when your suspension's up.

The thing is, most municipalities want revenue, not suspensions, so they'll plead down all but the worst cases to something where the government gets a thousand bucks and the drunk gets to keep his car - the theory being that it'll be a while before he has booze money again?
 
2017-09-12 05:35:19 AM  

ol' gormsby: Pinko_Commie: davidphogan: So every car has to be network enabled, can't be started in areas without cell phone (or whatever network is used) coverage, and everyone who lives in the US or ever visits here needs a unique ID linked to a single centralized database just to be able to drive?

That's a pretty stupid idea.

While I agree it's not the smartest idea ever, the network issue isn't insurmountable.  It could be achieved with a revocation list instead of a live authorization check.  Whenever the vehicle does have a network connection it downloads the lists of revoked licenses, valid licenses allow start, if your license is on the revoked list, then it doesn't do anything.

It won't need a list - the chip in your licence will be flagged "nuh-uh, no driving until xx/yy/zzzz"


Heh, I totally didn't think about it that way, I was thinking simple RFID and not smartcard type chip...  Though I expect that both methods would be used in case people don't hand over their chipped licenses for flagging so they can be added to the master "NEVER TRUST" list.
 
2017-09-12 05:45:39 AM  
Using reader chips instead of physical keys is a perfectly reasonable idea.

Trying to tie it to the licensing system... is an incredibly bad idea.  Just to point out literally the single most obvious thing... the basic realities of car maintenance means that the hardware and software required to register a chip with the car's software will have to be available to the public with essentially zero restrictions, e.g. OBD2 readers.  This means that anyone who would normally be willing to drive with a suspended license will only be prevented from doing so by a barrier of about 15 to 20$, worst case.

And that's just the start of the fundamental issues with trying to use what amounts to the electronic version of extremely simple keys to big-brother people.  You're talking about retrofitting several hundred million vehicles, many of which will have multiple drivers (licenses to vehicles isn't anywhere near 1:1 in either direction).  This is essentially impossible to begin with, but even if you somehow overcame this the multi-user nature of the system necessarily makes it easily hackable and hacking them can't possibly be made illegal for the same reasons you can't be arrested and thrown in jail for rooting a phone.  Any attempt to use a proprietary hardware for the chip reader will bail because several hundred million legally-mandated chips on government spec means that your chip is for all practical purposes no longer proprietary and will be used for everything.  A non-proprietary system means there are several million people who can easily code with the things and the equivalent of an automobile Game Genie will be floating around in a matter of weeks if not days, which will be almost impossible to make illegal for the usual reasons.

It goes on and on from there.  Faster failure of chip readers than physical keys, impossibility of updating the cars without physical access, god help you if you try to force car control boards to network, etc.
 
2017-09-12 05:57:08 AM  
The technology is there.

Professional drivers in the EU (should) all have a digital tacho in their cab, like this:

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They have a tacho card that they insert before driving, that logs their work, driving and rest periods.

When they return to the fleet HQ, their data is uploaded to the fleet transport authority using a USB card reader, which flags up any infringements of rest/work time laws. The drivers can drive without their cards, but have to complete manual tacho entries.

Of course, installing the same sort of tech on personal vehicles would be a massive infringement of personal liberty.
 
2017-09-12 06:00:15 AM  
Yup I'm going to trust the same companies with this since they have been doing such a bang up job with network security the last few years.
 
2017-09-12 06:19:24 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Using reader chips instead of physical keys is a perfectly reasonable idea.

Trying to tie it to the licensing system... is an incredibly bad idea.  Just to point out literally the single most obvious thing... the basic realities of car maintenance means that the hardware and software required to register a chip with the car's software will have to be available to the public with essentially zero restrictions, e.g. OBD2 readers.  This means that anyone who would normally be willing to drive with a suspended license will only be prevented from doing so by a barrier of about 15 to 20$, worst case.

And that's just the start of the fundamental issues with trying to use what amounts to the electronic version of extremely simple keys to big-brother people.  You're talking about retrofitting several hundred million vehicles, many of which will have multiple drivers (licenses to vehicles isn't anywhere near 1:1 in either direction).  This is essentially impossible to begin with, but even if you somehow overcame this the multi-user nature of the system necessarily makes it easily hackable and hacking them can't possibly be made illegal for the same reasons you can't be arrested and thrown in jail for rooting a phone.  Any attempt to use a proprietary hardware for the chip reader will bail because several hundred million legally-mandated chips on government spec means that your chip is for all practical purposes no longer proprietary and will be used for everything.  A non-proprietary system means there are several million people who can easily code with the things and the equivalent of an automobile Game Genie will be floating around in a matter of weeks if not days, which will be almost impossible to make illegal for the usual reasons.

It goes on and on from there.  Faster failure of chip readers than physical keys, impossibility of updating the cars without physical access, god help you if you try to force car control boards to network, etc.


I don't think anyone said anything about retro-fitting cars with chip readers. That way lies madness, otherwise we'd have to retro-fit disc brakes (some cars still have drums on the back!), seat belts, airbags, ECU, ABS, and so on. This is a discussion about a new technology. Your licence has a chip embedded which carries, amongst other information, a field that's either blank (no restrictions), or carries a date in the future (no driving until xx/yy/zzzz).

And why would it mean "that the hardware and software required to register a chip with the car's software will have to be available to the public with essentially zero restrictions, " Why would a safety system like this be open-source (if that's what you meant)? It's a *card reader* in the car that verifies you're authorised to drive the car, i.e. owner (or optionally, a nominated driver) without restrictions. Car makers will do what governments tell them to do, and if the govt says "put this chip reader in the car and make it a gateway to operating the vehicle" the car-makers will do it - and bump the asking price of the car. It would have to be a universal system to operate on all vehicles sold in the country where you obtained your licence.

Maybe similar but more sophisticated to a transponder in a key today. You can't start the car *easily* without a correctly-encoded key. You won't start the car *easily* without an authorised driver's licence.
 
2017-09-12 06:35:39 AM  
How about we just keep drunk drivers, especially and particularly repeat drunk drivers, with a special emphasis on those who have harmed others doing so, for a far longer period of time than we currently do?
 
2017-09-12 06:36:01 AM  
Behind bars!
 
2017-09-12 06:41:59 AM  

ol' gormsby: And why would it mean "that the hardware and software required to register a chip with the car's software will have to be available to the public with essentially zero restrictions, "


Because private individuals can legally sell cars, and because any licensed mechanic (certifications which are typically issued by professional organizations, not the state itself) need to be able to perform maintenance on them.

Both of these things require the ability to re-program the theoretical chip reader.  Both of these things are things that the manufacturers are physically and in many cases legally required to allow for in their designs.
 
2017-09-12 06:46:05 AM  

E.S.Q.: Ya know what?

If I'm having a medical emergency, I don't need my goddam car refusing to let a friend get me to help because he's a couple months behind on child support.


But the upside to this is that is that when you give your car to the valet you can be assured that he is paying his child support on time.
 
2017-09-12 06:52:58 AM  
Of course, this all begs the questions of why cars are designed to go so fast, why they are allowed to be full of distractions like radios and screens that let you watch the kids in the back seat...

Go home, pinko commie!
 
2017-09-12 06:54:56 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Another reason for self-driving cars.


That would take care of it for anyone.
 
2017-09-12 06:55:49 AM  

Jim_Callahan: ol' gormsby: And why would it mean "that the hardware and software required to register a chip with the car's software will have to be available to the public with essentially zero restrictions, "

Because private individuals can legally sell cars, and because any licensed mechanic (certifications which are typically issued by professional organizations, not the state itself) need to be able to perform maintenance on them.

Both of these things require the ability to re-program the theoretical chip reader.  Both of these things are things that the manufacturers are physically and in many cases legally required to allow for in their designs.


This particular function doesn't need to do anything beyond interrogating a value on an embedded licence chip. The chip reader doesn't *have* to distinguish between owners, only "this licence has authority to operate the car". There's not a great deal of functionality needed on the CAN side - it's yes, or no - one bit plus security/parity. Same principle as a conventional key transponder.
 
2017-09-12 06:58:12 AM  

Jim_Callahan: ol' gormsby: And why would it mean "that the hardware and software required to register a chip with the car's software will have to be available to the public with essentially zero restrictions, "

Because private individuals can legally sell cars, and because any licensed mechanic (certifications which are typically issued by professional organizations, not the state itself) need to be able to perform maintenance on them.

Both of these things require the ability to re-program the theoretical chip reader.  Both of these things are things that the manufacturers are physically and in many cases legally required to allow for in their designs.


So you make it a crime to tamper with it in order to allow illegitimate authorization.

I don't think this is a good idea, but not because it would somehow be physically impossible to pass a law saying you aren't allowed to circumvent the system. That's silly.
 
2017-09-12 07:17:09 AM  
The author argues that smart-chipped licenses should be used instead of car keys. No! I'm not giving my license to the valet, or to the mechanic, so that he can start my car. And if any valid license can start my car, then that seems like asking for trouble.

No. Keys and licenses are different things, you stupid idiot.
 
2017-09-12 07:26:14 AM  

iron de havilland: They have a tacho card that they insert before driving, that logs their work, driving and rest periods.

When they return to the fleet HQ, their data is uploaded to the fleet transport authority using a USB card reader, which flags up any infringements of rest/work time laws. The drivers can drive without their cards, but have to complete manual tacho entries.


I'm on a local traffic safety board and we were just wondering about this kind of thing yesterday. What's to stop a shady trucking company from keeping two sets of cards the way they keep two sets of books?

Kirablue42: How about we just keep drunk drivers, especially and particularly repeat drunk drivers, with a special emphasis on those who have harmed others doing so, for a far longer period of time than we currently do?


Same reason crooked banks get to pay massive fines without admitting wrongdoing, basically.

No government wants to pay the freight for keeping a mere drunk driver behind bars, not when the politically-preferable option of fining the fark out of them exists.
 
2017-09-12 07:26:30 AM  
You DO realize that his will completely destroy the chances of a LOT of people to show up on the television series Cops, right?  Come for the cop-sadism, stay for the unbearably painful lie about why they were behind the wheel of an automobile without a valid license...
 
2017-09-12 07:29:35 AM  

Spectrum: The author argues that smart-chipped licenses should be used instead of car keys. No! I'm not giving my license to the valet, or to the mechanic, so that he can start my car. And if any valid license can start my car, then that seems like asking for trouble.

No. Keys and licenses are different things, you stupid idiot.


It's not that difficult. Valet/mechanic presents their licence to the chip reader, you present yours, the car's display pops up some choices - e.g. "friend/relative-unrestricted" "friend relative-restricted to 1 cycle or x hours", "valet - restricted to the next 10 minutes and then another 10 minutes later to retrieve your car", "maintenance - restricted to 2 hours of operation", "other - please specify hours allowed"

It's not stupid, it's an idea worth considering. Do the benefits outweigh the disadvantages, or does the cost outweigh the profit?
 
2017-09-12 07:30:08 AM  
How about a car that immediately punches you in the genitals repeatedly if you move more than 6 inches left or right without using your turn signal. I could get on board with that, would solve 99% of my driving complaints.
 
2017-09-12 07:33:06 AM  
...or a suspended driver could borrow or steal somebody else's license.

I predict that if this happened it would take about 15 minutes before there was a thriving black market in fake licenses, stolen licenses, cloned licenses, loaner licenses ("a kind of uber for renting valid driver licenses"), license hacking devices, reader bypass devices, etc., not to mention human interventions like your drunk friend starting your car for you before passing out in the back seat and quietly throwing up over your floor mats. Because let's be realistic, all of those things and more are going to happen.

Not to mention all of the incredibly stupid scenarios it creates along the lines of, for example: a pickpocket stole your wallet while you were out at a party, so now you can't drive home.

As an aside, it's pretty much going to combine everything exploit that applies to credit cards, ID cards, and insecure IoT devices today, plus a bunch of inconveniences that haven't even been dreamed up yet. It's the kind of idea that only somebody who thinks DRM is a good idea could like.
 
2017-09-12 07:48:36 AM  

Gulper Eel: iron de havilland: They have a tacho card that they insert before driving, that logs their work, driving and rest periods.

When they return to the fleet HQ, their data is uploaded to the fleet transport authority using a USB card reader, which flags up any infringements of rest/work time laws. The drivers can drive without their cards, but have to complete manual tacho entries.


I'm on a local traffic safety board and we were just wondering about this kind of thing yesterday. What's to stop a shady trucking company from keeping two sets of cards the way they keep two sets of books?


The cards are issued by the DMV equivalent, same as the driving licence. It would be possible to create forged cards, I guess, but audits would probably pick it up. And given that as well as the fleet operator being at risk of losing their operator licence, the individual drivers would be at risk of losing their own licences, it's probably just easier to follow the law.

For example:

The conviction of 15 drivers at Eddie Stobart's Teesport depot for drivers' hours and tachograph offences has resulted in the company's North East O-licence being cut by 140 vehicles for three months.

The company, and 10 of the 15 convicted drivers (four of whom are still employed by Eddie Stobart), appeared before North East traffic commissioner (TC) Kevin Rooney at a two-day hearing - a driver conduct hearing followed by a public inquiry (PI) - in Leeds last week.
 
2017-09-12 07:52:27 AM  

czetie: ...or a suspended driver could borrow or steal somebody else's license.


Gee, that doesn't happen at all, already. Hint - it's an offence, and can get you jail time. Some people will risk jail time for driving while suspended, most won't.

I predict that if this happened it would take about 15 minutes before there was a thriving black market in fake licenses,

That doesn't happen already, either.

stolen licenses,
or that
cloned licenses,
or that
loaner licenses ("a kind of uber for renting valid driver licenses"),
or that
license hacking devices,

smart chip cards make that MUCH more difficult, combined with a PIN
reader bypass devices,
not really - it will have to interface with the CAN, and although CANs have been hacked, it's not as easy or commonplace as the media makes it sound, and every hack that's published just closes another door. That's why every version of Windows/Linux/MacOS is generally more secure than its predecessors.

etc., not to mention human interventions like your drunk friend starting your car for you before passing out in the back seat and quietly throwing up over your floor mats. Because let's be realistic, all of those things and more are going to happen.

Not to mention all of the incredibly stupid scenarios it creates along the lines of, for example: a pickpocket stole your wallet while you were out at a party, so now you can't drive home.


A pickpocket stole your car keys, so now you can't drive home.

As an aside, it's pretty much going to combine everything exploit that applies to credit cards, ID cards, and insecure IoT devices today, plus a bunch of inconveniences that haven't even been dreamed up yet. It's the kind of idea that only somebody who thinks DRM is a good idea could like.

A car from the 1960s and earlier could be "taken" without its ignition key. A piece of wire to break in, and a simple connection of wires under the dashboard would do it. Then came anti-theft devices in the doors to prevent locks being tripped by piece of wire. Then came electronics and key transponders that simply prevented ignition if the right key wasn't plugged in. Are those things DRM? I suspect most vehicle owners would welcome the protection of their own property by a system like this. Cars are a bit different to blu-ray discs - I think most americans feel a bit more protective of their cars than a movie studio's latest efforts - so, yes, I think car owners would welcome this brand of DRM.
 
2017-09-12 07:58:43 AM  

ol' gormsby: Spectrum: The author argues that smart-chipped licenses should be used instead of car keys. No! I'm not giving my license to the valet, or to the mechanic, so that he can start my car. And if any valid license can start my car, then that seems like asking for trouble.

No. Keys and licenses are different things, you stupid idiot.

It's not that difficult. Valet/mechanic presents their licence to the chip reader, you present yours, the car's display pops up some choices - e.g. "friend/relative-unrestricted" "friend relative-restricted to 1 cycle or x hours", "valet - restricted to the next 10 minutes and then another 10 minutes later to retrieve your car", "maintenance - restricted to 2 hours of operation", "other - please specify hours allowed"

It's not stupid, it's an idea worth considering. Do the benefits outweigh the disadvantages, or does the cost outweigh the profit?


No, it's stupid. You want to put a license reader in cars? That makes sense. But you still need a physical key, or fob, or whatever, so that you can hand it to someone else when required.

Keys and licenses have different functions. Your key grants access to your vehicle and allows it to be operated. Your license grants permission to operate a vehicle. Anyone, other than me, who drives my car must have my key and his license to drive it. That's already how it works. If you want to enforce the license requirement with tech, that's fine. But he only gets to drive when I hand him my key. No hoops, no menus, no fixing something that is not even broken.
 
2017-09-12 07:58:47 AM  
Can we please point out the tweet by "Bike LA" in the article?

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The link goes to a Toyota Camera with "sport tuned suspension" driving about 15 mph around an empty city street.
 
2017-09-12 08:07:15 AM  
The only solution ....

Yes, the first thing that pops to your mind, with zero critical analysis, is obviously the only solution.

/ Bob the dinosaur-like logic detected
// If people are starving in Africa, they should move to France
 
2017-09-12 08:08:37 AM  
We just came back from Alaska. Yeah, they don't have roads let alone cell reception in most of the state. Hell, if you park in subgarage D, you are equally screwed. This is a retarded idea.
 
2017-09-12 08:11:19 AM  

Spectrum: ol' gormsby: Spectrum: The author argues that smart-chipped licenses should be used instead of car keys. No! I'm not giving my license to the valet, or to the mechanic, so that he can start my car. And if any valid license can start my car, then that seems like asking for trouble.

No. Keys and licenses are different things, you stupid idiot.

It's not that difficult. Valet/mechanic presents their licence to the chip reader, you present yours, the car's display pops up some choices - e.g. "friend/relative-unrestricted" "friend relative-restricted to 1 cycle or x hours", "valet - restricted to the next 10 minutes and then another 10 minutes later to retrieve your car", "maintenance - restricted to 2 hours of operation", "other - please specify hours allowed"

It's not stupid, it's an idea worth considering. Do the benefits outweigh the disadvantages, or does the cost outweigh the profit?

No, it's stupid. You want to put a license reader in cars? That makes sense. But you still need a physical key, or fob, or whatever, so that you can hand it to someone else when required.

Keys and licenses have different functions. Your key grants access to your vehicle and allows it to be operated. Your license grants permission to operate a vehicle. Anyone, other than me, who drives my car must have my key and his license to drive it. That's already how it works. If you want to enforce the license requirement with tech, that's fine. But he only gets to drive when I hand him my key. No hoops, no menus, no fixing something that is not even broken.


Insurance companies might disagree with you. Hand your key to a valet with a restricted licence or no licence? Up goes your excess or your premium. Of course, he/she shouldn't be working without a valid licence, but that never happens these days, does it? I'm trying to make the point that if it shows a benefit to insurance companies, or a popular opinion improvement to politicians, they'll exert their influence and you'll eventually see it on new cars.
 
2017-09-12 08:11:43 AM  
I say go for it! And get Equifax to run it all!
 
2017-09-12 08:16:29 AM  
lets do this to gunz too
 
2017-09-12 08:23:01 AM  

ol' gormsby: Spectrum: ol' gormsby: Spectrum: The author argues that smart-chipped licenses should be used instead of car keys. No! I'm not giving my license to the valet, or to the mechanic, so that he can start my car. And if any valid license can start my car, then that seems like asking for trouble.

No. Keys and licenses are different things, you stupid idiot.

It's not that difficult. Valet/mechanic presents their licence to the chip reader, you present yours, the car's display pops up some choices - e.g. "friend/relative-unrestricted" "friend relative-restricted to 1 cycle or x hours", "valet - restricted to the next 10 minutes and then another 10 minutes later to retrieve your car", "maintenance - restricted to 2 hours of operation", "other - please specify hours allowed"

It's not stupid, it's an idea worth considering. Do the benefits outweigh the disadvantages, or does the cost outweigh the profit?

No, it's stupid. You want to put a license reader in cars? That makes sense. But you still need a physical key, or fob, or whatever, so that you can hand it to someone else when required.

Keys and licenses have different functions. Your key grants access to your vehicle and allows it to be operated. Your license grants permission to operate a vehicle. Anyone, other than me, who drives my car must have my key and his license to drive it. That's already how it works. If you want to enforce the license requirement with tech, that's fine. But he only gets to drive when I hand him my key. No hoops, no menus, no fixing something that is not even broken.

Insurance companies might disagree with you. Hand your key to a valet with a restricted licence or no licence? Up goes your excess or your premium. Of course, he/she shouldn't be working without a valid licence, but that never happens these days, does it? I'm trying to make the point that if it shows a benefit to insurance companies, or a popular opinion improvement to politicians, they'll exert their influence and you'll eventually see it on new cars.


I thought your point was that it is an idea worth considering. Now it seems to be an idea that you think bad people might like.
 
2017-09-12 08:36:21 AM  

E.S.Q.: Ya know what?

If I'm having a medical emergency, I don't need my goddam car refusing to let a friend get me to help because he's a couple months behind on child support.


Or don't hang around with dead beat dads
 
2017-09-12 08:43:52 AM  
It would take about 5 minutes for the data entry to get screwed up, and someone to be on TV after their wife wound up delivering their baby on the kitchen floor because Robert A. Smith had his license suspended, but Robert J. Smith's license was the one that got put into the system by some idiot clerk.  The government screws up records all the time.  I got pulled over once because the plates on my car came back as from a stolen Camero, not my Mitsubishi.  One fat fingered idiot cop had put the wrong digit into the system.
 
2017-09-12 08:47:18 AM  

devildog123: It would take about 5 minutes for the data entry to get screwed up, and someone to be on TV after their wife wound up delivering their baby on the kitchen floor because Robert A. Smith had his license suspended, but Robert J. Smith's license was the one that got put into the system by some idiot clerk.  The government screws up records all the time.  I got pulled over once because the plates on my car came back as from a stolen Camero, not my Mitsubishi.  One fat fingered idiot cop had put the wrong digit into the system.


To be fair, you don't know for sure if the idiot cop actually has fat fingers. But she probably does.
 
2017-09-12 08:48:57 AM  

Idontlikemoose: The cyclists were hit by a drunk driver whose license was suspended.  I am thinking the solution here isn't so much about the suspended license than the drunk driver part.  Would it not make more sense for the article to focus more on detecting an intoxicated driver versus detecting if someone has a valid license?


Not riding on the road would have also prevented it.
Explore all the factors.
 
2017-09-12 08:52:21 AM  

a_room_with_a_moose: I say go for it! And get Equifax to run it all!


Are you kidding? We have a crack team of specialists at the DMV handling this.

/ not sure how long they've been smoking crack
 
2017-09-12 08:54:17 AM  
It's farking stupid to throw hundreds of millions,if not billions at a program that will save a statistically insignificant number of lives per year. But by all means, keep farking over the majority because a tiny fraction of the population are irresponsible assholes.
 
2017-09-12 08:57:54 AM  

Idontlikemoose: The cyclists were hit by a drunk driver whose license was suspended.  I am thinking the solution here isn't so much about the suspended license than the drunk driver part.  Would it not make more sense for the article to focus more on detecting an intoxicated driver versus detecting if someone has a valid license?


So mandate ignition interlocks on all cars then?  Probably would make more sense than what the article is proposing since we at least have those.
 
2017-09-12 08:58:02 AM  

Delta1212: So you make it a crime to tamper with it in order to allow illegitimate authorization.


Who do you work for, Big Mattress?
 
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