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2017-09-07 06:56:22 AM  
News: For republicans Trump FINALLY crossed a line that may cause the party to abandon him. Fark: The unforgivable line Trump crossed was making a deal with the democrats

My God, does the man have no shame?
 
2017-09-07 07:02:23 AM  
Party before country.
 
2017-09-07 07:08:59 AM  
While I'm glad the GOP finally found a bridge too far, I kind of wish it had been back when it became painfully clear Trump was a Russian puppet who was going to start a nuke war with NK.
 
2017-09-07 07:10:21 AM  
Cry moar, motherfarkers. You wanted this guy, you've been complicit in his bullshiat so far and applauded as he screwed over one interest group after another. Of course you never thought he'd eat YOUR faces.
 
2017-09-07 07:27:43 AM  

Ambivalence: back when it became painfully clear Trump was a Russian puppet


That was only the Russians.  This time it is the Republicans' mortal enemy: the Democrats.  This hurts them where they live.
 
2017-09-07 07:51:26 AM  

Sgygus: Ambivalence: back when it became painfully clear Trump was a Russian puppet

That was only the Russians.  This time it is the Republicans' mortal enemy: the Democrats.  This hurts them where they live.


while your comment is very true, Reagan Republicans must be aghast at the state of the party that they'd put Russia ahead of America

/I hope the Series Finale of The Americans is Elizabeth seducing and turning a Trump-like real estate mogul
 
2017-09-07 08:45:50 AM  
You know why they're so pissed off about this?

Think about one of those Nazis from Charlottesville. One of those guys wearing a swastika-emblazoned armband. One of those guys hoisting a flaming torch as a weapon. One of those guys chanting "BLOOD AND SOIL" and "JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US" over and over again. One of those guys plowing their car into a crowd.

How upset are you now?

Take that amount and tetrate it to the hyperpower of Graham's number. That much anguish is still several orders of magnitude less than what they feel when they think of a generic Democrat, and that amount pales in comparison to the hatred they feel for Hillary, Obama, or Pelosi and Schumer.

That's why this deal is so painful to them. It's a backstabbing more treacherous than Judas turning on Jesus. It's the kind of sin God himself couldn't forgive.
 
2017-09-07 08:48:30 AM  
I've yet to hear why the Republicans are upset. I know they are very upset. But they can't tell me why. Are any of Drews friends around to tell me what is so bad in this deal?
 
2017-09-07 08:51:11 AM  
Shame on those democrats.
 
2017-09-07 08:52:03 AM  
The GOP has been a threat much longer than Trump and will continue to drag us down long after he is gone.
 
2017-09-07 08:53:42 AM  
I would throw a few bucks into a crowd fund to pay Ben Garrison to try to draw a cartoon to justify this move by his hero.
 
2017-09-07 08:53:56 AM  
STIGGIN-wait, what?!
 
2017-09-07 08:55:01 AM  
Pence last seen warming up in the bullpen.
 
2017-09-07 08:55:33 AM  
The ongoing, prolonged, public humiliation of Paul Ryan brings joy to my heart.
 
2017-09-07 08:56:07 AM  

Gubbo: I've yet to hear why the Republicans are upset. I know they are very upset. But they can't tell me why. Are any of Drews friends around to tell me what is so bad in this deal?


They're upset because Trump didn't even negotiate and as they see it caved to Democrats immediately.  But that's only part of it. The other part is they wanted a debt ceiling debate in 18 months - which would be only a few months into the next Congress.  That helps Congressional Republicans hedge their play.  As it stands they have to vote to raise the debt ceiling before the next election cycle instead of just after it.  With the 18 month window there would be yet another 20 months before the 2020 elections and a vote to raise the debt ceiling would be mostly forgotten by 2020.  But a vote to raise the debt ceiling by Republicans in 2018 will still be remembered and used against them in the elections later in 2018.
 
2017-09-07 08:56:44 AM  
"I know for certain," said Jenny Beth Martin, a founder of Tea Party Patriots, that grass-roots conservatives "did not work so hard last year to elect majorities in the House and the Senate and get Trump elected in the White House to enact liberal policy priorities."

Remember, people, hurricane relief and raising the debt ceiling are "liberal policy priorities."
 
2017-09-07 08:57:07 AM  

Garza and the Supermutants: I would throw a few bucks into a crowd fund to pay Ben Garrison to try to draw a cartoon to justify this move by his hero.


Not Garrison, but how about Lou Dobbs's rant last night about how it was actually Paul Ryan who is the RINO?

Lou Dobbs Destroys RINO Paul Ryan
Youtube ftZvTxijNhY
 
2017-09-07 08:57:42 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Shame on those democrats.


Yes shame on those Democrats for finding a way to keep the government open and fund disaster relief! Shame on them for doing their jobs! Shut it down, let the people of Texas and Florida pull themselves from the wreckage of their homes by their own bootstraps!
 
2017-09-07 08:58:59 AM  
Ever notice Bannon looks like the weird black lodge version of old Dale Cooper, but with syphilis?
 
2017-09-07 08:59:30 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Gubbo: I've yet to hear why the Republicans are upset. I know they are very upset. But they can't tell me why. Are any of Drews friends around to tell me what is so bad in this deal?

They're upset because Trump didn't even negotiate and as they see it caved to Democrats immediately.  But that's only part of it. The other part is they wanted a debt ceiling debate in 18 months - which would be only a few months into the next Congress.  That helps Congressional Republicans hedge their play.  As it stands they have to vote to raise the debt ceiling before the next election cycle instead of just after it.  With the 18 month window there would be yet another 20 months before the 2020 elections and a vote to raise the debt ceiling would be mostly forgotten by 2020.  But a vote to raise the debt ceiling by Republicans in 2018 will still be remembered and used against them in the elections later in 2018.


But again, that isn't saying what's so bad in the deal. The debt ceiling and hurricane funding. I just can't work out the hate.Timing of the vote aside (and it would have had to be dealt with, there isn't 18 months of runway left in the ceiling).
 
2017-09-07 08:59:54 AM  

LegacyDL: Pence last seen warming up in the bullpen.


It would be interesting to see him forced to comment. Just as a further IQ test because I trust in his ability to again be dumb as a post and do the wrong thing.
 
2017-09-07 09:00:15 AM  
His tax cuts will bring the boys to the yard, boys to the yard.
 
2017-09-07 09:00:31 AM  

Archidude: The ongoing, prolonged, public humiliation of Paul Ryan brings joy to my heart.


I must have chuckled a little too loud at this because one of my co-workers just IM'ed me saying, "why are you laughing?"
 
2017-09-07 09:00:44 AM  
I'm pretty darned liberal, and I'm shocked at how he didn't even try to negotiate anything.  Or is there a "Caving" chapter in Art of the Deal?
 
2017-09-07 09:01:24 AM  

Archidude: The ongoing, prolonged, public humiliation of Paul Ryan brings joy to my heart.


Yep, mine too.  How Paul Ryan continues to be touted as the Republican "idea man" is beyond me.  After he got malarkeyed by Uncle Joe, I thought he was done.  Yet he continues to be allowed to flail away.
 
2017-09-07 09:02:04 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Gubbo: I've yet to hear why the Republicans are upset. I know they are very upset. But they can't tell me why. Are any of Drews friends around to tell me what is so bad in this deal?

They're upset because Trump didn't even negotiate and as they see it caved to Democrats immediately.  But that's only part of it. The other part is they wanted a debt ceiling debate in 18 months - which would be only a few months into the next Congress.  That helps Congressional Republicans hedge their play.  As it stands they have to vote to raise the debt ceiling before the next election cycle instead of just after it.  With the 18 month window there would be yet another 20 months before the 2020 elections and a vote to raise the debt ceiling would be mostly forgotten by 2020.  But a vote to raise the debt ceiling by Republicans in 2018 will still be remembered and used against them in the elections later in 2018.


All of this, plus including the Harvey funding in a short-term deal removes the only stick that Mitch and Paul Ryan had over the Freedon Caucus types, so the long term deal will likely have to be done with Democrat votes as well, giving Schumer and Pelosi more leverage for the next round.
 
2017-09-07 09:02:09 AM  

Ambivalence: While I'm glad the GOP finally found a bridge too far, I kind of wish it had been back when it became painfully clear Trump was a Russian puppet who was going to start a nuke war with NK.


Or when he defended Nazis.  Either of those would have been good.
 
2017-09-07 09:02:10 AM  
Wake me when they openly start calling him a Democrat.  That's when things start to get interesting.
 
2017-09-07 09:02:34 AM  
Did anyone besides me actually start giggling with delight reading that story?

This story warmed my heart in ways that previously could only be done by cute-puppers-playing-in-the-pool videos on Facebook.
 
2017-09-07 09:03:55 AM  
Every congressman, to a man, knows the debt limit has to be raised or the consequences will be dire.  But, posturing and deal-making are the order of the day.  If Americans were just a smidge better educated, they wouldn't be able to pull off this stupidity...
 
2017-09-07 09:04:13 AM  
By the way, I'd like to say that most of us probably expected something like this to be straw that breaks the camel's back for Republicans tepidly backing Trump. Well, probably something more like a tax increase or a new tax on Wall Street or something, but you get the idea.
 
2017-09-07 09:05:28 AM  

Ambivalence: While I'm glad the GOP finally found a bridge too far, I kind of wish it had been back when it became painfully clear Trump was a Russian puppet who was going to start a nuke war with NK.

Sgygus: That was only the Russians. This time it is the Republicans' mortal enemy: the Democrats. This hurts them where they live.


Do you think it will make them any happier to consider that it might merely reflect President Trump is still entirely a subject of his Russian puppet masters, who will be greatly inconvenienced if all their kleptocratic stolen loot that is stashed in dollar-valued bank deposits around the world were to suddenly get devalued by the utter collapse of the Full Faith and Credit of the United States that underpins those dollars?


I mean, sure, in theory the Russian oligarch kleptocrats could leverage the situation by borrowing heavily in dollars and moving their money into non-dollar assets before the implosion, but that would leave them without a stable currency to dump their ill-gotten gains into. They've been destabilizing the EU ruling out the euro, the Chinese Renminbi is grossly manipulated and would be subject to enemy state seizure, the Indian government recently devalued a mass of their own Rupee currency making it ludicrously unfit for a repository of value, using the Ruble would leave their loot vulnerable to being stolen again, and none of the other global economic spheres have the room to put it into. Ironically, they need a vaguely stable dollar.
 
2017-09-07 09:05:33 AM  
You nominated a man child who cares nothing about policy, conservative or otherwise, he craves flattery and can't tell the difference between sincere or fake flattery. No one should be surprised that he'll give away your house for a little fake love and affection from Schumer and Pelosi to get what they want. The democrats would be foolish not to play Trump the same way everyone else who's played him does. There's a definite path to getting what one wants from Trump, ask Steve Bannon or the Russians, it involves telling the naked emperor that his clothes are sparkly and fabulous.
 
2017-09-07 09:07:11 AM  

kermit the forg: I'm pretty darned liberal, and I'm shocked at how he didn't even try to negotiate anything.  Or is there a "Caving" chapter in Art of the Deal?


Maybe he figures now the Democrats owe him one, or that this will help bring them to the table for the upcoming DACA/wall funding negotiations?

Or maybe his priorities were to simply get a "win" (which Ryan and McConnell have been largely incapable of delivering) and completely farking over the Republican Congressional leadership was just a bonus?
 
2017-09-07 09:07:45 AM  

DanInKansas: Did anyone besides me actually start giggling with delight reading that story?

This story warmed my heart in ways that previously could only be done by cute-puppers-playing-in-the-pool videos on Facebook.


I made an honest to god "what the fark am I reading" face
 
2017-09-07 09:07:57 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Gubbo: I've yet to hear why the Republicans are upset. I know they are very upset. But they can't tell me why. Are any of Drews friends around to tell me what is so bad in this deal?

They're upset because Trump didn't even negotiate and as they see it caved to Democrats immediately.  But that's only part of it. The other part is they wanted a debt ceiling debate in 18 months - which would be only a few months into the next Congress.  That helps Congressional Republicans hedge their play.  As it stands they have to vote to raise the debt ceiling before the next election cycle instead of just after it.  With the 18 month window there would be yet another 20 months before the 2020 elections and a vote to raise the debt ceiling would be mostly forgotten by 2020.  But a vote to raise the debt ceiling by Republicans in 2018 will still be remembered and used against them in the elections later in 2018.


Please tell me that you are not surprised that Trump has all the negotiating skill of a dump truck.
He has one tactic - bullying to get his way - and the rest of us are too civilized to take him out back and shoot him.
 
2017-09-07 09:08:16 AM  

kermit the forg: I'm pretty darned liberal, and I'm shocked at how he didn't even try to negotiate anything.  Or is there a "Caving" chapter in Art of the Deal?


Trump is deliberately spitting in the GOP's face. I guess they are surprised that Trump, who betrays everyone who works with him, would betray them.
 
2017-09-07 09:08:29 AM  
"I know for certain," said Jenny Beth Martin, a founder of Tea Party Patriots, that grass-roots conservatives "did not work so hard last year to elect majorities in the House and the Senate and get Trump elected in the White House to enact liberal policy priorities."

Apparently keeping the government operating through a natural disaster and not crashing and burning is a "liberal" priority.  These people are batshait crazy.
 
2017-09-07 09:08:46 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Ambivalence: While I'm glad the GOP finally found a bridge too far, I kind of wish it had been back when it became painfully clear Trump was a Russian puppet who was going to start a nuke war with NK.

Or when he defended Nazis.  Either of those would have been good.


Jesus how does anyone keep track of it all?
 
2017-09-07 09:08:59 AM  
They would rather the Government shut down than Trump work with Democrats. Pretty stark reminder that they only value Party above all and that Winter really is coming.
 
2017-09-07 09:10:16 AM  
It's gotta sting when the guy you thought would be your rubber stamp turns out to not be particularly picky with what he stamps.
 
2017-09-07 09:10:20 AM  

Arkanaut: Garza and the Supermutants: I would throw a few bucks into a crowd fund to pay Ben Garrison to try to draw a cartoon to justify this move by his hero.

Not Garrison, but how about Lou Dobbs's rant last night about how it was actually Paul Ryan who is the RINO?

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/ftZvTxijNhY - 480x360]


Did they farking attempt to spell Dems as Dimms accidentally or on porpoise?
 
2017-09-07 09:11:26 AM  

SirBarsalot: Wake me when they openly start calling him a Democrat.  That's when things start to get interesting.


from what I've seen around twitter, they seem to have started
 
2017-09-07 09:11:35 AM  

Nadie_AZ: They would rather the Government shut down than Trump work with Democrats. Pretty stark reminder that they only value Party above all and that Winter really is coming.


Ariel Winter?
 
2017-09-07 09:12:20 AM  

Ambivalence: HMS_Blinkin: Ambivalence: While I'm glad the GOP finally found a bridge too far, I kind of wish it had been back when it became painfully clear Trump was a Russian puppet who was going to start a nuke war with NK.

Or when he defended Nazis.  Either of those would have been good.

Jesus how does anyone keep track of it all?


As I was typing my comment I was trying to remember whether he threatened nuclear war before or after he defended nazis.  The awful things come so fast that they all run together.
 
2017-09-07 09:12:22 AM  

Gubbo: AdmirableSnackbar: Gubbo: I've yet to hear why the Republicans are upset. I know they are very upset. But they can't tell me why. Are any of Drews friends around to tell me what is so bad in this deal?

They're upset because Trump didn't even negotiate and as they see it caved to Democrats immediately.  But that's only part of it. The other part is they wanted a debt ceiling debate in 18 months - which would be only a few months into the next Congress.  That helps Congressional Republicans hedge their play.  As it stands they have to vote to raise the debt ceiling before the next election cycle instead of just after it.  With the 18 month window there would be yet another 20 months before the 2020 elections and a vote to raise the debt ceiling would be mostly forgotten by 2020.  But a vote to raise the debt ceiling by Republicans in 2018 will still be remembered and used against them in the elections later in 2018.

But again, that isn't saying what's so bad in the deal. The debt ceiling and hurricane funding. I just can't work out the hate.Timing of the vote aside (and it would have had to be dealt with, there isn't 18 months of runway left in the ceiling).


Dems get Harvey relief and a favorable debt ceiling situation for nothing.  It farks with the Republicans' ability to play politics with either or both.  There's nothing negative for America - and that's what is so bad about the deal from a Republican standpoint.
 
2017-09-07 09:12:23 AM  

pueblonative: Nadie_AZ: They would rather the Government shut down than Trump work with Democrats. Pretty stark reminder that they only value Party above all and that Winter really is coming.

Ariel Winter?


Go on
 
2017-09-07 09:12:28 AM  

Graffito: AdmirableSnackbar: Gubbo: I've yet to hear why the Republicans are upset. I know they are very upset. But they can't tell me why. Are any of Drews friends around to tell me what is so bad in this deal?

They're upset because Trump didn't even negotiate and as they see it caved to Democrats immediately.  But that's only part of it. The other part is they wanted a debt ceiling debate in 18 months - which would be only a few months into the next Congress.  That helps Congressional Republicans hedge their play.  As it stands they have to vote to raise the debt ceiling before the next election cycle instead of just after it.  With the 18 month window there would be yet another 20 months before the 2020 elections and a vote to raise the debt ceiling would be mostly forgotten by 2020.  But a vote to raise the debt ceiling by Republicans in 2018 will still be remembered and used against them in the elections later in 2018.

Please tell me that you are not surprised that Trump has all the negotiating skill of a dump truck.
He has one tactic - bullying to get his way - and the rest of us are too civilized to take him out back and shoot him.


I think the more interesting thing here is that Schumer got such success from mere flattery, I've always kind of thought of him as a used car sales kinda guy but that might be exactly who the Dems need dealing with Trump right now.  An hour of ass kissing to get everything you asked for seems like a pretty good deal for the country to me.
 
2017-09-07 09:12:53 AM  
So the Republicans have no problem with a racist with a third world dictator mentality but getting friendly with the Dems is crossing the line?  All of them are a bunch of scumbag deporables.
 
2017-09-07 09:12:56 AM  
An open letter to any and all politicians disappointed with data being reinstated without any strings attached or not being able to use dreamers as bargaining chips: eabod and foad.

But also that hurrican is heading to mars-a-lego or whatever.  Did you really think he'd put the party's interest above all that sweet sweet insurance money?  Did you? Are you farking stupid? Go look in the mirror and punch yourself in the face moron.
 
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