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7587 clicks; posted to Main » on 10 Jan 2002 at 4:44 PM (16 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2002-01-10 08:03:21 PM  
Rei: I've never been in the military, so I'm not speaking from experience, but perhaps I can help you about your friend.

Your friend was probably raised as many children are, with the rule "Thou Shalt Not Kill (or cause any other grievous harm to) another human" firmly engraved in memory. To become the fighting machine that is a Marine, this firmly reinforced instruction MUST be removed. But not removed completely, because that creates a chaotic berserker. It must be removed and replaced with "Thou shalt KILL what thou art instructed to kill by thine commanding officer. But, thou shalt NOT kill just because thou art angry, or desiring of sport."
Remember that this is not dropping bombs from a mile up, or firing artillery at a point one can't see. This is killing with rifle, bayonet, and bare hands. If a Marine is ever called upon to use his training to the fullest, he WILL be close enough to his target to see the fellow human being die by his hands. Something traumatic happened? Perhaps the realization that the practice dummy that now sports only half a head and a dagger through the chest represents another human being. That tends to do it for a lot of people, or so I'm told.

Even for things not requiring killing, the cadet must be firmly programmed that the proper response to any order from a superior officer is not to think about it and make an independent decision, but an instant "YES SIR!"

Although, I must admit, your friend's reaction was rather extreme. A sex-change operation? I understand the amnesia--the mind deleted the experience as well as anything leading up to it--but the rest. Wow.
2002-01-10 08:13:40 PM  
If you switch the u and t in this guy's name it's "Dick Stuphen" haha get it? No, I didn't read the article.
2002-01-10 08:15:28 PM  
True to my name, I am skeptical of some of his claims. I do not doubt the veracity of many of his claims, but this is far from a scientific approach to the topic. Consider this:

1. He uses phrases like "releasing psychic energy". This is either a connotative term he used to "talk down" to his intended audience, or he genuinely believes people's "psychic energy" are being released, which is New Age psychobabble and non-scientific.

2. There are no references, anywhere!

3. Massive appeal to emotion (usually fear/paranoia) in the article.

4. The structure of the article itself resembles the ficticious governor's speach he used as an example. If you'll notice, the paper generally flows from the generally accepted theories of psychology almost to paranoid consipiracy theory (your television is brainwashing you!). The paranoia in this article may or may not be true, but it is nevertheless used as an appeal to emotion.

5. The end of the article complains a link which describes how the Moonies are attempting to take over the world.

Again, many of the principles are sound, but I wouldn't treat this as some sort of scientific expose on the subject.
2002-01-10 08:16:10 PM  
I am glad I do not watch TV. Brings the bumper sticker "KILL YOUR TV" into context. I have noticed people use these techniques before. Sometimes I pay attention to how my mind is paying attention. One time a psycologist confronted me with something I did and blew it up out of proportion in an accusing manner. I watched as my heartbeat increased, I had trouble thinking, I did not even try to give a reasonable defence. I was paralyzed. Mental control games. We play them as kids. Hey retard! Hey Shamoo! What are you gonna sit on me? Your mama... Like pups play fight, learning offence and defence. We learn mental offencive and defencive manipulations. These master polititions and clerics are like the professional wrestlers/boxers of mental/emotional manipulative combatants. It is real. I walked in to the store the other day and noticed an intence fear building in me. First thing I did was ground myself in Divinity, then I looked around to see what was causing it. There was a young man standing in dark civilian clothes, except it had some sort of badge stitched on it, like one of those SWAT team assholes. He tried to stare me down the whole time. He stood like a Hitler or Nazi supremacist. An air of superiority. I just ignored him and remained calm focussed on my ground and I think that scared him to see how ineffective his way was towards me.
Pay attention to your awareness. Look for hidden causes. Learn and grow.
2002-01-10 08:23:14 PM  
One more Marines story... friend of mine has been a religious guy for a long time - joined the Marines to get money for school. He was honorably dicharged halfway through bootcamp 'cause of pneumonia. Now he's firebombed a car, and has 2 years probation for fights in the street and carrying tons of illegal knives.
I'm not gonna say what caused it, but I thought it was interesting.

And as to the guy who says he's not liberal or conservative 'cause both parties make him sick.... America does not have a "Liberal Party" and a "Conservative Party." I'm a liberal, but by no means am I a Democrat.
2002-01-10 09:04:51 PM  
I wish Timothy would come and straighten all of this out for us dimmer bulbs.

That boy is wicked smaht...
2002-01-10 09:05:52 PM  
Futurama: "And the winner is!...the Hyp-no-Toad."
2002-01-10 09:06:46 PM  
i'm farked! we're all farked!
anybody who knows what they're doing can talk anybody into doing anything!
i'd try to go out and manipulate people for my own benefit, but...
i'm not smart enough...
2002-01-10 09:10:32 PM  
I have personally experienced sitting in a Los Angeles auditorium with over ten thousand people who were gathered to listen to a current charismatic figure. Twenty minutes after entering the auditorium, I became aware that I was going in and out of an altered state

oooh... so when i fall asleep in transport reaction phenomena lecture i'm not disrupting class with my snoring... i'm in an altered state! and thusly more susceptible for my subconscious absorbing it...
take that professor!
2002-01-10 09:11:07 PM  
damn non bendy brackets
give me a break, i don't have my own web page
and i'm very tired
2002-01-10 10:13:45 PM  
I'm very interested by a lot of what he has to say. Unfortunately, if you go to his own website he seems to be pushing the envelope on credibility so far that it practically goes through the sorting room window.

Have a look at this...
2002-01-10 10:13:52 PM  
This is BS! Like he knows about Jonathan Edwards..The problem is that any movement by his definition is cultish or brainwashing. I am sure he wouldn't call his psychobabble philosophy brainwashing because he likes it. One thing for sure, he does not like Christians or the Marine Corps. Frankly I am grateful for both.....
2002-01-10 11:01:51 PM  
I agree with The Doubter. I found the article interesting and plausible. But by the end I almost expected him to recommend wearing tinfoil hats.
The lack of references is also suspicious.
2002-01-10 11:19:40 PM  
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold
(Frank Zappa, "I'm The Slime")
2002-01-10 11:59:49 PM  
The only hope of attending such gatherings without being affected is to be a Buddha and allow no positive or negative emotions to surface. Few people are capable of such detachment.

Uhhhh... didn't he spend a whooole bunch time explaining about cults?
All glory to the hypno-toad!
2002-01-11 02:43:19 AM  
That is the coolest page ever.
2002-01-11 04:56:46 AM  
Cool stuff. I have to disagree with the Marines part, though. True they do kind of "reconstruct" men, but not to the point of being a zombie slave. A good friend of mine was a Marine sniper for quite a while. He's a totally regular guy. He's funny, listens to good music, fun to smoke up with, etc.
2002-01-11 08:09:40 AM  
The "meditation makes your mind flat" is just too farking funny. I've been meditating regularly for close to 25 years and jsghfpiudcgxzncb..... sorry I lost track of what I was saying.

Tha Army practices the same "breaking" practices as the Marines. I spent four years in the service and did nothing but benefit from the experience. For the record, "hazing" is a better descriptive for basic training. Other than in a time of war, they figure that if you can't take the farking-with, they don't want you there either, and you can just leave. It's a myth that you can't leave once you're in.

The most important lesson that I learned from that experience?

"Believe none of what you hear/read, and half of what you see"
2002-01-11 10:29:51 AM  

Do you know anything about Buddhism?
2002-01-11 05:06:30 PM  
Well, some people CAN handle reprogramming themselves to blow people's heads off when ordered to, but still not turn into psychopaths.

Some can't handle the first part, and become like Rei's friend. Some can't handle the second, and become like Meta's friend.
(some, like me, could never have passed the application physical in the first place.)
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