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2017-07-30 04:26:57 AM  
Now this is a nothing burger. The State Department acts in a Statesman-like manner by attempting to turn the sanctions into an invitation for Russia to come to the table and work on a better relationship. Sure it's spin. But what did people think they should do, spike the ball? Point and laugh? Scream "in your face Russia."  Of course they didn't act like that. Rather, they make a statement about the future and opened the door towards somehow improving relations.

The idiots on twitter who want to spike the ball or otherwise rub it in are the ones that need to be laughed at.
It's not that anyone necessarily believes the happy-talk. Or believe we're likely to get improved relations. But any experience with diplomacy of any kind shows that you give the other side a chance to take things in ways most favorable to you. You don't force escalation.
 
2017-07-30 04:29:39 AM  
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2017-07-30 04:41:44 AM  
I thought Trump fired most of the State Department, and Tillerson took a break.  Who the hell is even there to send tweets?
 
2017-07-30 06:16:38 AM  

Alphax: I thought Trump fired most of the State Department, and Tillerson took a break.  Who the hell is even there to send tweets?


Gotta keep Kellyanne Conway busy somehow.
 
2017-07-30 06:24:10 AM  
Probably one of his "genius" kids at work.
 
2017-07-30 06:26:53 AM  
 
2017-07-30 06:29:19 AM  
This seems like pretty normal diplomat speak to me.
 
2017-07-30 06:32:52 AM  

J Noble Daggett: Now this is a nothing burger. The State Department acts in a Statesman-like manner by attempting to turn the sanctions into an invitation for Russia to come to the table and work on a better relationship. Sure it's spin. But what did people think they should do, spike the ball? Point and laugh? Scream "in your face Russia."  Of course they didn't act like that. Rather, they make a statement about the future and opened the door towards somehow improving relations.

The idiots on twitter who want to spike the ball or otherwise rub it in are the ones that need to be laughed at.
It's not that anyone necessarily believes the happy-talk. Or believe we're likely to get improved relations. But any experience with diplomacy of any kind shows that you give the other side a chance to take things in ways most favorable to you. You don't force escalation.


I get what you're saying, but they didn't have to tweet anything.

That they chose to do so, and like this, just makes it seem like the administration is trying to maintain their lead in the 2017 Dick-Steppin' Cup.
 
2017-07-30 06:32:53 AM  
like Bolton cutting the dick off of Theon. All to improve relationship.
 
2017-07-30 06:42:10 AM  

jsnbase: J Noble Daggett: Now this is a nothing burger. The State Department acts in a Statesman-like manner by attempting to turn the sanctions into an invitation for Russia to come to the table and work on a better relationship. Sure it's spin. But what did people think they should do, spike the ball? Point and laugh? Scream "in your face Russia."  Of course they didn't act like that. Rather, they make a statement about the future and opened the door towards somehow improving relations.

The idiots on twitter who want to spike the ball or otherwise rub it in are the ones that need to be laughed at.
It's not that anyone necessarily believes the happy-talk. Or believe we're likely to get improved relations. But any experience with diplomacy of any kind shows that you give the other side a chance to take things in ways most favorable to you. You don't force escalation.

I get what you're saying, but they didn't have to tweet anything.

That they chose to do so, and like this, just makes it seem like the administration is trying to maintain their lead in the 2017 Dick-Steppin' Cup.


They're in the lead now, but the Browns don't start playing for a couple weeks.
 
2017-07-30 06:46:13 AM  

J Noble Daggett: Now this is a nothing burger. The State Department acts in a Statesman-like manner by attempting to turn the sanctions into an invitation for Russia to come to the table and work on a better relationship. Sure it's spin. But what did people think they should do, spike the ball? Point and laugh? Scream "in your face Russia."  Of course they didn't act like that. Rather, they make a statement about the future and opened the door towards somehow improving relations.

The idiots on twitter who want to spike the ball or otherwise rub it in are the ones that need to be laughed at.
It's not that anyone necessarily believes the happy-talk. Or believe we're likely to get improved relations. But any experience with diplomacy of any kind shows that you give the other side a chance to take things in ways most favorable to you. You don't force escalation.


They just tweeted a direct, obvious contradiction. A lie, and a stupid clumsy lie. This is a frantic attempt to signal, 'Don't worry, Russia, we'll roll back the sanctions, it's just taking a little longer than we agreed on." It's a stupid lie and it deserves to be mocked.

We've already become so accustomed to the bizarro Alice in Wonderland alternate reality that some of us think it's normal.  It isn't.
 
2017-07-30 06:53:10 AM  
"The US has bombed several ISIS locations, killing five top leaders. This is a clear signal of our willingness to work in partnership with ISIS to bring peace and stability to the region."

"The Republicans voted to repeal ACA without a replacement, demonstrating their commitment to ensuring that millions of Americans are not thrown off of their health insurance."

"Donald Trump sexually assaulted an intern on camera last night.  The footage is proof that he is firmly committed to all American workplaces being free of sexual harassment and intimidation."
 
2017-07-30 06:56:48 AM  
It's stupid, facetious and no one believes it but I see how they are trying to spin this. As if the sanctions will prevent future election meddling and then everything will be hunky dory and the Trumputin bromance can continue.
 
2017-07-30 07:04:53 AM  

Scanty Em: They just tweeted a direct, obvious contradiction. A lie, and a stupid clumsy lie. This is a frantic attempt to signal, 'Don't worry, Russia, we'll roll back the sanctions, it's just taking a little longer than we agreed on." It's a stupid lie and it deserves to be mocked.


Yep. Another Kasparov tweet:

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https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/891341052229103616
 
2017-07-30 07:08:27 AM  
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2017-07-30 07:25:16 AM  
"Mister Gorbachev, let's decorate that wall, together as trusting friends."
 
2017-07-30 07:25:56 AM  

saintwrathchild: [img.fark.net image 568x264]
https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/891338676587950081


Garry's tweet doesn't really contradict the State Depts.  He might've included a stronger sentence at the start, but the State Dept phrasing seems like how Obama would have framed things.  International leaders learned really damn quick that NOT taking the proffered olive branch meant the screws would be tightened further.  All the while he continued to speak softly and offer out a hand.  Burly Alpha Male Chesticles Putin figured in the last years of his 2nd term and completely cock-blocked by Congress Obama wouldn't do anything.  And he was wrong.  Let Putin's circle stay loyal.  Means the people know where to find them all when it turns out he, and they, were wrong.

Sanctions mean you stepped over the line.  Improving relations means knocking that shiat off and making amends in some way.  Anyone who can't figure that out deserves what comes to them.  It's not about punishment.  Punishment between nations is a suckers game that just leads to escalation.  It leads to exactly the kind of chest thumping Russia is doing over this.  And as long as they keep doing that, keep tightening the screws, and keep making them aware they have the power to make it stop anytime.
 
2017-07-30 07:33:48 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: saintwrathchild: [img.fark.net image 568x264]
https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/891338676587950081

Garry's tweet doesn't really contradict the State Depts.  He might've included a stronger sentence at the start, but the State Dept phrasing seems like how Obama would have framed things.  International leaders learned really damn quick that NOT taking the proffered olive branch meant the screws would be tightened further.  All the while he continued to speak softly and offer out a hand.  Burly Alpha Male Chesticles Putin figured in the last years of his 2nd term and completely cock-blocked by Congress Obama wouldn't do anything.  And he was wrong.  Let Putin's circle stay loyal.  Means the people know where to find them all when it turns out he, and they, were wrong.

Sanctions mean you stepped over the line.  Improving relations means knocking that shiat off and making amends in some way.  Anyone who can't figure that out deserves what comes to them.  It's not about punishment.  Punishment between nations is a suckers game that just leads to escalation.  It leads to exactly the kind of chest thumping Russia is doing over this.  And as long as they keep doing that, keep tightening the screws, and keep making them aware they have the power to make it stop anytime.


So here's everything Kasparov had to say (was trying to avoid a long copy-pasta but here we are):

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2017-07-30 07:38:30 AM  
It seems when Russia sends its people here, they aren't sending their best:

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2017-07-30 07:51:10 AM  

saintwrathchild: LowbrowDeluxe: saintwrathchild: [img.fark.net image 568x264]
https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/891338676587950081

Garry's tweet doesn't really contradict the State Depts.  He might've included a stronger sentence at the start, but the State Dept phrasing seems like how Obama would have framed things.  International leaders learned really damn quick that NOT taking the proffered olive branch meant the screws would be tightened further.  All the while he continued to speak softly and offer out a hand.  Burly Alpha Male Chesticles Putin figured in the last years of his 2nd term and completely cock-blocked by Congress Obama wouldn't do anything.  And he was wrong.  Let Putin's circle stay loyal.  Means the people know where to find them all when it turns out he, and they, were wrong.

Sanctions mean you stepped over the line.  Improving relations means knocking that shiat off and making amends in some way.  Anyone who can't figure that out deserves what comes to them.  It's not about punishment.  Punishment between nations is a suckers game that just leads to escalation.  It leads to exactly the kind of chest thumping Russia is doing over this.  And as long as they keep doing that, keep tightening the screws, and keep making them aware they have the power to make it stop anytime.

So here's everything Kasparov had to say (was trying to avoid a long copy-pasta but here we are):

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Yes, everyone knows Garry couldn't care less about the US and is only interested in Putin being ousted.  Not sure what that proves.  Despite an admittedly spotty track record of doing just that, the US isn't really entirely obsessed with toppling kings...like some people apparently are.  Don't get me wrong, if he pushes it to the knives he'll go the same way as any of the oil emperors who've pushed it, probably with equally disastrous results for Russia in the long run.  And if we go at it hammer and tongs clearly trying for that goal, whichever Russian thug rises to the top of the skull pile in the aftermath will still have that entire apparatus to work with, and have to prove he's a strongman by biting back at the US.  If we maintain diplomatic outreach at every step of the way, then whichever mobster next takes the Bear Throne can say, "Man, that guy was crazy, it was all his fault.  We're cool now, right?"
 
2017-07-30 07:51:57 AM  

ralphjr: [img.fark.net image 425x568]


I'd love to see the original image to figure out how that could be "cute".
 
2017-07-30 08:02:17 AM  
That doesn't seem that outrage worthy.

The beatings will continue until morale...er relations, improve.
 
2017-07-30 08:18:36 AM  

Alphax: I thought Trump fired most of the State Department, and Tillerson took a break.  Who the hell is even there to send tweets?


The citizens are going to fight it out for control of the country over Twitter. At least they're paying attention.
But hey, on the bright side--everybody in this administration is too stupid and too arrogant to keep their mouths shut about all their shiatheel activities. Imagine if they were any good.

/Like Russia
 
2017-07-30 08:22:03 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: ralphjr: [img.fark.net image 425x568]

I'd love to see the original image to figure out how that could be "cute".


November 19, 2012:

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2017-07-30 08:22:51 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: ralphjr: [img.fark.net image 425x568]

I'd love to see the original image to figure out how that could be "cute".


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Always here to help.
 
2017-07-30 08:24:23 AM  
Sanctions = Tough Love
 
2017-07-30 08:26:52 AM  
I love how even the Russians are like "what the fark are you talking about?"
 
2017-07-30 08:31:28 AM  
Remember when John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell and Madeline Albright had to "take a break" six months into their first year of service?
 
2017-07-30 08:38:03 AM  

eiger: This seems like pretty normal diplomat speak to me.


No. It isn't. While diplomacy is sometimes full of subtly and double-speak. Clumsy lies like this are bullshiat that tin-pot dictators do, not the US State Department.
 
2017-07-30 08:48:21 AM  

J Noble Daggett: Now this is a nothing burger. The State Department acts in a Statesman-like manner by attempting to turn the sanctions into an invitation for Russia to come to the table and work on a better relationship. Sure it's spin. But what did people think they should do, spike the ball? Point and laugh? Scream "in your face Russia."  Of course they didn't act like that. Rather, they make a statement about the future and opened the door towards somehow improving relations.

The idiots on twitter who want to spike the ball or otherwise rub it in are the ones that need to be laughed at.
It's not that anyone necessarily believes the happy-talk. Or believe we're likely to get improved relations. But any experience with diplomacy of any kind shows that you give the other side a chance to take things in ways most favorable to you. You don't force escalation.


Actual diplomats wouldn't have pumped up the bullshiat like this though. Whoever has the Twitter account isn't actually from Public Affairs, I'd wager.
 
2017-07-30 08:50:13 AM  

Alphax: I thought Trump fired most of the State Department, and Tillerson took a break.  Who the hell is even there to send tweets?


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2017-07-30 08:54:54 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Ketchuponsteak: ralphjr: [img.fark.net image 425x568]

I'd love to see the original image to figure out how that could be "cute".

November 19, 2012:

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That's the first time I've seen that comic be legitimately funny. It's darker than intended.

He is straight up menacing that baby. Hes about to haul off and punch him square in he face. The face on the kid brother of wincing resignation says he's lived through this before. The underlying message that a moral system based on supernatural consequences leads to good behavior only when the deity is watching, not morality for morality's sake.

But mostly that the kid is just about to fark up that baby.
 
2017-07-30 08:59:18 AM  

NathanAllen: Remember when John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell and Madeline Albright had to "take a break" six months into their first year of service?


No.
 
2017-07-30 09:11:44 AM  
Ignorance is Strength
 
2017-07-30 09:13:21 AM  
You think they might've included that Russia stop farking with our elections as a step to improving relations. I mean, if they meant that.
 
2017-07-30 09:35:49 AM  
Clowns, clowns all the way down.
 
2017-07-30 09:45:49 AM  

J Noble Daggett: Now this is a nothing burger.


Sorry mate but you are wrong on this one.  They probably should never have tweeted anything, but well this is the Trump administration, if they had to say something then it should have mention Ukraine, Syria, Russian interference with US elections, Russia's general disdain for the West (14 assassinations performed by Russia in the UK?!?) ... in fact anything but what they typed.

The US should never look like it fears Russia, because it has no reason to - this tweet feels like a wimp finally punching the bully and then saying "sorry, I didn't mean it."
 
2017-07-30 09:49:36 AM  
So, what branch of the goverment actually carries out the sanctions?

Who decides how many people are working on them?

Who decides how much to spend enforcing them?

Because if it's all under the executive branch, it's not worth much.
 
2017-07-30 09:51:58 AM  
We have a State Department?
 
2017-07-30 09:59:14 AM  

Lexx0001: So, what branch of the goverment actually carries out the sanctions?

Who decides how many people are working on them?

Who decides how much to spend enforcing them?

Because if it's all under the executive branch, it's not worth much.


The Treasury Department via FINCEN and Office of Foreign Asset Control(OFAC). While the Treasury Department is part of the Executive branch these functions are pretty far removed from the direction control of the President. And I don't see Steve Mnuchin desolving those departments just to stop the Russia sanctions.
 
2017-07-30 10:17:01 AM  

Lexx0001: So, what branch of the goverment actually carries out the sanctions?

Who decides how many people are working on them?

Who decides how much to spend enforcing them?

Because if it's all under the executive branch, it's not worth much.


Obama tried to prioritize enforcement of immigration law and got his dick swatted.

I'm going to speculate here.  Breaking the sanctions would be illegal even if the Government ignored it.  So a company/organization would be wise to avoid doing it even if they can temporarily get away with it.
 
2017-07-30 10:24:01 AM  
Putin tolerates zero criticism from his kompromat targets.  This is a well known fact.  They speak out against him and his retaliation is total.  Trump and Tillerson are no exception.

And they've failed him, big time.  If Trump has attempted to appeal to Democrats he might have made some progress with Democrats on getting Putin's agenda signed into law.  Instead he alienated them en masse and essentially proved every single one of their criticisms about him to be right.

Every.  Last.  One.
 
2017-07-30 10:25:53 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Lexx0001: So, what branch of the goverment actually carries out the sanctions?

Who decides how many people are working on them?

Who decides how much to spend enforcing them?

Because if it's all under the executive branch, it's not worth much.

The Treasury Department via FINCEN and Office of Foreign Asset Control(OFAC). While the Treasury Department is part of the Executive branch these functions are pretty far removed from the direction control of the President. And I don't see Steve Mnuchin desolving those departments just to stop the Russia sanctions.


Is there a watchdog group on that?

I don't think that Trump is dumb. I don't think that Trump is smart either. I do think he is cleaver in a sneaky way. Nobody should underestimate him, or his minions. He hasn't shown much respect for the laws for himself, so far.
 
2017-07-30 10:26:53 AM  
The US does not negotiate with terrorists. -- thought to be said by Reagan or Groucho Marx

On the other hand, with Gangsters, especially state sponsored gangsters and their boss, the US will negotiate, even against the full will of Congress. -- quod erat demonstrandum
 
2017-07-30 10:39:42 AM  

Lexx0001: Voiceofreason01: Lexx0001: So, what branch of the goverment actually carries out the sanctions?

Who decides how many people are working on them?

Who decides how much to spend enforcing them?

Because if it's all under the executive branch, it's not worth much.

The Treasury Department via FINCEN and Office of Foreign Asset Control(OFAC). While the Treasury Department is part of the Executive branch these functions are pretty far removed from the direction control of the President. And I don't see Steve Mnuchin desolving those departments just to stop the Russia sanctions.

Is there a watchdog group on that?

I don't think that Trump is dumb. I don't think that Trump is smart either. I do think he is cleaver in a sneaky way. Nobody should underestimate him, or his minions. He hasn't shown much respect for the laws for himself, so far.


I'm not sure. What really helps protect this from meddling from above is that's it's largely an automated process. Once names are added to the OFAC list, US financial institutions aren't allowed to do business with those people or organization. The actual enforcement of the sanctions is very broadly distributed so it's not as if Trump can just replace or fire "the sanctions guy" to prevent the sanctions from going into effect, he would have to dismantle the Treasury Department to make that happen.
 
2017-07-30 10:40:57 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Ketchuponsteak: ralphjr: [img.fark.net image 425x568]

I'd love to see the original image to figure out how that could be "cute".

November 19, 2012:

[s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com image 300x360]


[www.reactiongifs.com image 250x141]


So I guess the implications that he beats his kid-brother most of the year. Awwwww, so cute.
 
2017-07-30 10:51:15 AM  
what do the congressional sanctions do to tillerson's exxon deals with russia? do they directly impact his income from stock options or bonuses?

and no i don't trust anyone in trump's administration not to put their own self interest first. after all trump does.
 
2017-07-30 10:58:27 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Lexx0001: Voiceofreason01: Lexx0001: So, what branch of the goverment actually carries out the sanctions?

Who decides how many people are working on them?

Who decides how much to spend enforcing them?

Because if it's all under the executive branch, it's not worth much.

The Treasury Department via FINCEN and Office of Foreign Asset Control(OFAC). While the Treasury Department is part of the Executive branch these functions are pretty far removed from the direction control of the President. And I don't see Steve Mnuchin desolving those departments just to stop the Russia sanctions.

Is there a watchdog group on that?

I don't think that Trump is dumb. I don't think that Trump is smart either. I do think he is cleaver in a sneaky way. Nobody should underestimate him, or his minions. He hasn't shown much respect for the laws for himself, so far.

I'm not sure. What really helps protect this from meddling from above is that's it's largely an automated process. Once names are added to the OFAC list, US financial institutions aren't allowed to do business with those people or organization. The actual enforcement of the sanctions is very broadly distributed so it's not as if Trump can just replace or fire "the sanctions guy" to prevent the sanctions from going into effect, he would have to dismantle the Treasury Department to make that happen.


Thank you. I can feel a bit better...

However, it does seem that his entire government philosophy (two words possibly not mentioned in the same sentence before about this administration) is to dismantle all the cabinet branches.

Although treasury is more important or at least affects him personally then education, the EPA, dept of energy, all the others.

M
 
2017-07-30 11:01:23 AM  
I'm not sure where I was gonna go with the floating "M".

Damn autocorrect.
 
2017-07-30 11:50:26 AM  
So is Tillerson still on a break? If so, who is actually running the State Department? Did they actually fill out a staff?
 
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