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(Some Guy)   The strange reason why a police 'precrime' AI system thinks that car washes are crime magnets (they're dumb)   (aiia.net) divider line
    More: Amusing, Machine Learning, human trafficking, Policy, car washes, Artificial intelligence, Machine Learning solutions, Machine Learning systems, AI-driven intelligence-gathering systems  
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2017-06-29 1:21:15 PM  
They downloaded some of the later Breaking Bad seasons into the system?
 
2017-06-29 2:21:58 PM  
But since so many ML systems are prototype in nature, or at least highly customized or non-standardized, even more general policy can be hard to obtain and ratify.

At least there's no way you could make police departments, staffed by dull-normal bullies who couldn't get a job better than "cop", dumber.

Hold my beer.

/dumbass in. dumbass out.
//now these farking idiots will have a screen in their vehicles reinforcing their biased opinions with... their own biased opinions.
///can't wait for police departments to use these systems to justify behavior as if they weren't the ones generating the data
 
2017-06-29 2:31:19 PM  
That's actually kind of funny, considering the only drug dealer I knew sold drugs at the local car wash.
 
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2017-06-29 2:48:07 PM  
I used to live near a car wash. Car alarms going off all the time. Obviously a car theft hot spot.
 
2017-06-29 3:00:44 PM  
Those bastards stole all the pennies in my cup holder!!!
 
2017-06-29 3:04:34 PM  
Farking crime magnets, how do they work?
 
2017-06-29 5:44:36 PM  

bdub77: That's actually kind of funny, considering the only drug dealer I knew sold drugs at the local car wash.


At the car wash, yeah.
 
2017-06-29 10:00:49 PM  
'Thankfully we barely have any reports of human trafficking. But someone at intel got a tip-off and looked into cases at car washes, because we hadn't really investigated those much.
'But now when we try to model human trafficking we only see human trafficking being predicted at car washes, which suddenly seem very high risk. So because of increased intel we've essentially produced models that tell us where car washes are.
'This kind of loop is hard to explain to those higher up.'


Maybe it knows something you don't, and you really need to be checking those car washes.
 
2017-06-29 10:25:34 PM  
Hmm, what the fark is strange about the fact that they had very little, or no, data and when they added data specifying car washes car washes become suspect to the seystem that probably has very car wash data otherwise
 
2017-06-29 10:29:33 PM  
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2017-06-29 10:36:07 PM  
Car washes and tanning salon are all money laundering operations.  I can't prove it, but it feels true to me, dammit.

/Also, Laundromats.
 
2017-06-29 10:50:43 PM  
"It's also important to make clear that the professional judgement always overrides the system."

That's not going to last.
 
2017-06-29 11:43:12 PM  
A self-serve car wash would be a great place to commit crimes. Relatively steady flow of people in and out without the volume being overwhelming, self service bays for shelter from prying eyes, no staff on duty to get suspicious...

Yeah, I used a self-serve car wash at night in a less-than-perfect neighborhood once, and it occurred to me that sketchy stuff could go down in an environment like that.
 
2017-06-30 12:16:30 AM  

Mister Buttons: Car washes and tanning salon are all money laundering operations.  I can't prove it, but it feels true to me, dammit.

/Also, Laundromats.


There are damn few high-volume cash businesses around.
Have an A-One day.
 
2017-06-30 12:24:18 AM  
AI suspects people trying to make a clean getaway.
 
2017-06-30 1:26:25 AM  
WTF was that gibberish?  I mean the whole fubar mess; this is just a sample:

The paper recounts how regional intelligence officers - who correlate local news, reports, and other information sources into intelligence strategies - were asked to compare their own judgement to an AI system's estimation of crime probability:

'They might say they know something about the offender for a string of burglaries, or that building is no longer at such high risk of burglary because local government just arranged all the locks to be changed. [...] We also have weekly meeting with all the officers, leadership, management, patrol and so on, with the intelligence officers at the core. There, he or she presents what they think is going on, and what should be done about it.'

But the use of such systems brings police authorities into very sensitive areas in terms of PR, raising ethical issues around using such AI-generated lists as policy guidelines.
 
2017-06-30 4:37:37 AM  
If AI is this good at locating car washes, imagine what we could do about locating pizza places, or ATMS!!!!! This is a whole new world here, people!
 
2017-06-30 6:43:33 AM  
If no other part of this scares you - read this, carefully:

"In terms of transparency, policy makers need to straddle a line between public accountability and the risk of exposing a valuable AI-driven intelligence system to external gaming. One lead at a government analytics department concerned with investigating tax fraud expressed fears that the usefulness of the information might diminish if model weights were made public as part of more general transparency policies. "

Think about that for a minute - about where he is really going with that. That path leads somewhere.
Do you like where it leads?
 
2017-06-30 8:53:08 AM  

jso2897: If no other part of this scares you - read this, carefully:

"In terms of transparency, policy makers need to straddle a line between public accountability and the risk of exposing a valuable AI-driven intelligence system to external gaming. One lead at a government analytics department concerned with investigating tax fraud expressed fears that the usefulness of the information might diminish if model weights were made public as part of more general transparency policies. "

Think about that for a minute - about where he is really going with that. That path leads somewhere.
Do you like where it leads?


Yeah, to Climate Change Models.
 
2017-06-30 11:37:53 AM  
Why do you need an "AI system" to say there's lots of crime there, so officers should go there?
 
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