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(Abc.net.au)   International flight forced to turn back due to "minor technical issue", which is airline PR speak for "the engine fell off"   (abc.net.au) divider line
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FNG [TotalFark]
2017-06-25 2:46:48 AM  
No worries, it just blew a seal.
 
vpb
2017-06-25 6:17:21 AM  

FNG: No worries, it just blew a seal.


No, it was just ice cream!
 
2017-06-25 6:47:52 AM  
The airline is now looking to see if it can add a couple more seats where the engine used to be.
 
2017-06-25 6:56:13 AM  

Delawhat: The airline is now looking to see if it can add a couple more seats where the engine used to be.


The airlines of today could learn from the sophistication and class of the airlines of yore.  They knew about service.  It wasn't just a hot towel and a bag of peanuts.  No, sir!  They'd proffer up the finest mint juleps you ever saw, shortly before shooting antifreeze into your blood and lashing you to the outside of the plane because they overbooked.  And if you lived to see your destination, a glass of champagne and a non-disclosure form.  See what I mean?  Pure Class.
 
2017-06-25 7:16:57 AM  
Been there, done that.

Well, the engine didn't fall off, but a generator broken during takeoff, so we had to turn back 15 minutes into the flight. Took us hours to find a landing slot in the schedule, too. My 6am arrival turned into 1pm arrival, good times!
 
2017-06-25 7:18:22 AM  
That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.
 
2017-06-25 7:30:10 AM  
I am both fascinated and mortified by air incidents.  I do quite a bit of air travel for work, and often find myself paradoxically binge-watching 'Mayday' in the days proceeding my flight. It's been pointed out by my friends that this is a really messed-up behavior, but I'm always pretty relaxed once I get on board.  I think my brain just needs to imagine the worst case scenario in order to go through with it.
 
2017-06-25 7:53:38 AM  
Hey, His Name Is My Name Too, here's another airline discussion you can turn into a blowjob thread. Remember what I said -- no handkerchiefs!
 
2017-06-25 7:55:14 AM  

DougTaupe: I am both fascinated and mortified by air incidents.  I do quite a bit of air travel for work, and often find myself paradoxically binge-watching 'Mayday' in the days proceeding my flight. It's been pointed out by my friends that this is a really messed-up behavior, but I'm always pretty relaxed once I get on board.  I think my brain just needs to imagine the worst case scenario in order to go through with it.


I've always wanted to fire up "scariest air disasters" on the laptop while in flight. But no I have yet to do so.
 
2017-06-25 8:05:02 AM  
At least TFA said "a passenger" told them a turbine blade fell off, so we can cross off "turbine blade falling off" from the list of possible causes.
/ Passengers rarely know.

Many passengers probably thought they were close to death, when in reality this was a routine matter for the pilots.  Unless the pilots are completely incompetent, losing an engine isn't a difficult problem to face.

// Unless it's very shortly after takeoff where the airspeed and altitude are both low.
 
2017-06-25 8:06:10 AM  

DougTaupe: I am both fascinated and mortified by air incidents.  I do quite a bit of air travel for work, and often find myself paradoxically binge-watching 'Mayday' in the days proceeding my flight. It's been pointed out by my friends that this is a really messed-up behavior, but I'm always pretty relaxed once I get on board.  I think my brain just needs to imagine the worst case scenario in order to go through with it.


I watch a lot of 'Mayday' too, and just before my mum flew to Ireland out of Southampton, we both watched the episode where the captain of a British Airways flight got sucked out of the cabin and had to make an emergency landing at Southampton
 
2017-06-25 8:06:19 AM  

Pinko_Commie: That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.


But what about the ones that aren't as safe?
 
2017-06-25 8:12:38 AM  
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Engines fall off all the time.  The World is an imperfect place.
 
2017-06-25 8:13:16 AM  
Looks up engine manufacturer...

Dammit. Someone will be hearing about this Monday.
 
2017-06-25 8:13:32 AM  

sloughtown4ever: DougTaupe: I am both fascinated and mortified by air incidents.  I do quite a bit of air travel for work, and often find myself paradoxically binge-watching 'Mayday' in the days proceeding my flight. It's been pointed out by my friends that this is a really messed-up behavior, but I'm always pretty relaxed once I get on board.  I think my brain just needs to imagine the worst case scenario in order to go through with it.

I watch a lot of 'Mayday' too, and just before my mum flew to Ireland out of Southampton, we both watched the episode where the captain of a British Airways flight got sucked out of the cabin and had to make an emergency landing at Southampton


I flew to LAX with BA a few years ago and the chief steward was the guy who held onto the pilots legs on that flight to stop him being sucked out the window. I recognised him because I'd watched that episode a few days earlier, and got to ask him about it.
 
2017-06-25 8:13:41 AM  

sloughtown4ever: DougTaupe: I am both fascinated and mortified by air incidents.  I do quite a bit of air travel for work, and often find myself paradoxically binge-watching 'Mayday' in the days proceeding my flight. It's been pointed out by my friends that this is a really messed-up behavior, but I'm always pretty relaxed once I get on board.  I think my brain just needs to imagine the worst case scenario in order to go through with it.

I watch a lot of 'Mayday' too, and just before my mum flew to Ireland out of Southampton, we both watched the episode where the captain of a British Airways flight got sucked out of the cabin and had to make an emergency landing at Southampton


Well, once he was sucked out of the cabin, it was inevitable that he was going to make an emergency landing.
 
2017-06-25 8:14:16 AM  

DougTaupe: I am both fascinated and mortified by air incidents.  I do quite a bit of air travel for work, and often find myself paradoxically binge-watching 'Mayday' in the days proceeding my flight. It's been pointed out by my friends that this is a really messed-up behavior, but I'm always pretty relaxed once I get on board.  I think my brain just needs to imagine the worst case scenario in order to go through with it.


I do the same thing, not watch the movie but imagine worst case scenarios.  Like the underpaid hungover contractor doing maintenance forgets to torque a bolt on the landing gear assembly. That leads to doing a Barrell roll on the runway during landing when the whole assembly shears off and the wing digs into the ground. I have several of these scenarios in my head. They do not make me calm.
 
2017-06-25 8:15:00 AM  
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2017-06-25 8:16:25 AM  

sloughtown4ever: DougTaupe: I am both fascinated and mortified by air incidents.  I do quite a bit of air travel for work, and often find myself paradoxically binge-watching 'Mayday' in the days proceeding my flight. It's been pointed out by my friends that this is a really messed-up behavior, but I'm always pretty relaxed once I get on board.  I think my brain just needs to imagine the worst case scenario in order to go through with it.

I watch a lot of 'Mayday' too, and just before my mum flew to Ireland out of Southampton, we both watched the episode where the captain of a British Airways flight got sucked out of the cabin and had to make an emergency landing at Southampton


He landed the plane from outside the cabin? That's one hell of a pilot.
 
2017-06-25 8:19:33 AM  

FNG: No worries, it just blew a seal.


Ooort!  Ooort!  Ooooooooooorrrrrt!
 
2017-06-25 8:25:14 AM  
"All the way to the scene of the crash! Which is pretty handy, cuz that's where we're headed! I bet we beat the paramedics there by half an hour! We're hauling ass!"

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2017-06-25 8:44:25 AM  

FNG: No worries, it just blew a seal.


The captain says to leave his sex life out of it.
 
2017-06-25 8:47:21 AM  

DRTFA: At least TFA said "a passenger" told them a turbine blade fell off, so we can cross off "turbine blade falling off" from the list of possible causes.
/ Passengers rarely know.


That actually sounds like what happened, given the reports of other passengers about the explosion followed by a bad vibration.  It happens, they even test for it. Look:

Wide Body, Blade-Out Jet Engine Test
Youtube 5-8_Gnbp2JA
 
2017-06-25 8:54:37 AM  

humanshrapnel: DRTFA: At least TFA said "a passenger" told them a turbine blade fell off, so we can cross off "turbine blade falling off" from the list of possible causes.
/ Passengers rarely know.

That actually sounds like what happened, given the reports of other passengers about the explosion followed by a bad vibration.  It happens, they even test for it. Look:

[YouTube video]


Would they normally have been able to lock the turbine blade to prevent rotation or does air pressure always force continued spin?

Seems like they would have shut it down in case it disintegrated further.
 
2017-06-25 9:11:38 AM  

humanshrapnel: DRTFA: At least TFA said "a passenger" told them a turbine blade fell off, so we can cross off "turbine blade falling off" from the list of possible causes.
/ Passengers rarely know.

That actually sounds like what happened, given the reports of other passengers about the explosion followed by a bad vibration.  It happens, they even test for it. Look:

[YouTube video]


Coincidentally it seems it wasn't a turbine blade (deep in the engine) but rather a fan blade that failed, just like in your vid. At least it wasn't a disc. Those things have scary amounts of energy when they let go.
 
2017-06-25 9:12:03 AM  

Falmouthed Frankie: humanshrapnel: DRTFA: 
Would they normally have been able to lock the turbine blade to prevent rotation or does air pressure always force continued spin?

Seems like they would have shut it down in case it disintegrated further.


I'm sure the pilot(s) shut the engine down as soon as they felt the bang or saw a bunch of idiot lights and warnings go off in the cockpit.  There is no way for them to lock the engine to keep it from rotating, at least not from the cockpit.  A healthy engine would probably freewheel in the airstream, but this one almost certainly had FOD (read:debris, shiat) keeping it from spinning.
 
2017-06-25 9:14:47 AM  

Falmouthed Frankie: humanshrapnel: DRTFA: At least TFA said "a passenger" told them a turbine blade fell off, so we can cross off "turbine blade falling off" from the list of possible causes.
/ Passengers rarely know.

That actually sounds like what happened, given the reports of other passengers about the explosion followed by a bad vibration.  It happens, they even test for it. Look:

[YouTube video]

Would they normally have been able to lock the turbine blade to prevent rotation or does air pressure always force continued spin?

Seems like they would have shut it down in case it disintegrated further.


Yea,  I think they should shut it down to prevent it from shaking the plane apart.
Jeeeezuss
 
2017-06-25 9:17:07 AM  

humanshrapnel: DRTFA: At least TFA said "a passenger" told them a turbine blade fell off, so we can cross off "turbine blade falling off" from the list of possible causes.
/ Passengers rarely know.

That actually sounds like what happened, given the reports of other passengers about the explosion followed by a bad vibration.  It happens, they even test for it. Look:

[YouTube video]


It's pretty damn rare though. I remember the investigation into one incident leading to the banning of ballpoint pens in GE engine facilities. What happened was someone dropped a ballpoint pens, it got crushed, the ballpoint went rolling and endedd up in the titanium bath. It got cast into a blade, problem is that they're made of tungsten which won't weld with titanium but also doesn't show up in x-ray or eddy current tests which are used to detect flaws in the parts prior to assembly. Because it won't weld with the titanium it became the source of a micro-crack which eventually spread causing the blade to shatter which caused the engine to eat itself.
 
2017-06-25 9:24:30 AM  

Dinodork: humanshrapnel: DRTFA: At least TFA said "a passenger" told them a turbine blade fell off, so we can cross off "turbine blade falling off" from the list of possible causes.
/ Passengers rarely know.

That actually sounds like what happened, given the reports of other passengers about the explosion followed by a bad vibration.  It happens, they even test for it. Look:

[YouTube video]

Coincidentally it seems it wasn't a turbine blade (deep in the engine) but rather a fan blade that failed, just like in your vid. At least it wasn't a disc. Those things have scary amounts of energy when they let go.


Yeah, I doubt an axial compressor blade would make that much vibration as it exited.  Probably would go unnoticed.  Turbine blade would probably be noticed, they're usually shrouded and large enough to cause an unbalance.  Fan blade is a biggie, but not as big as a fan disc coming apart:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232#/media/File:UA232precrash.gif
 
2017-06-25 9:33:09 AM  
Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute:
Yea,  I think they should shut it down to prevent it from shaking the plane apart.

They do shut it down, but its 'windmills' still.  Even if you could lock the engine afterwards, you wouldn't because of the drag induced.   Presumably, they design the wing to withstand this.

As another poster said, at least it wasn't a fan disc.  Those pretty much end up everywhere when they break.  There was a case a few months ago where one broke while a plane was on its takeoff roll, they found parts of the disc all over the airport.  A JT-8D fan hub broke back in the 90's on an MD-80, and the resulting shrapnel killed a few passengers.   IIRC, they figured it was a defect from manufacturing.  There was also that United crash at Sioux City, and a few others over the years.
 
2017-06-25 9:34:08 AM  

sotua: Been there, done that.

Well, the engine didn't fall off, but a generator broken during takeoff, so we had to turn back 15 minutes into the flight. Took us hours to find a landing slot in the schedule, too. My 6am arrival turned into 1pm arrival, good times!


The generator failed 30 minutes into our flight to Hawaii. The pilot admitted it was the third generator to fail on the plane. We flew back and circled for hours as the plane dumped fuel so we could land. Hawaiian airlines covered our overnight hotel stay and American Airlines flew us to Hawaii. We even made the news. Our friends and family were on the edge of their seats, waiting for us to crash into the Pacific as I ate peanuts and drank warm water, watching the fuel flow over the wing in a graceful arc. Thats when I noticed the port side flap vibrating at the pivot. Good times.
 
2017-06-25 9:39:17 AM  

sloughtown4ever: DougTaupe: I am both fascinated and mortified by air incidents.  I do quite a bit of air travel for work, and often find myself paradoxically binge-watching 'Mayday' in the days proceeding my flight. It's been pointed out by my friends that this is a really messed-up behavior, but I'm always pretty relaxed once I get on board.  I think my brain just needs to imagine the worst case scenario in order to go through with it.

I watch a lot of 'Mayday' too, and just before my mum flew to Ireland out of Southampton, we both watched the episode where the captain of a British Airways flight got sucked out of the cabin and had to make an emergency landing at Southampton


So the pilot managed to land the plane after he got sucked out? Sully must be impressed!
 
2017-06-25 9:39:42 AM  
Those people seem to know a lot about sitting on washing machines...
 
2017-06-25 9:49:29 AM  
farking christ that was painful to read. Between the formatting, font size changes and constant insert of quotes I got a migraine.
 
2017-06-25 9:56:06 AM  
Scarebus 330, only two engines, one gone.

I hope if I ever take a long international flight, it's on a 340, 380, or 747. I know they fly just fine on one engine, but having only one engine left is a little disconcerting.
 
2017-06-25 10:02:10 AM  

styckx: farking christ that was painful to read. Between the formatting, font size changes and constant insert of quotes I got a migraine.


i couldnt finish it....
 
2017-06-25 10:12:52 AM  

sotua: a generator broken during takeoff, so we had to turn back 15 minutes into the flight.


How long was the flight? I'm wondering why they couldn't cut in the APU and continue to the destination.
 
2017-06-25 10:16:24 AM  

kendricd: Those people seem to know a lot about sitting on washing machines...


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2017-06-25 10:38:42 AM  

rackrent: [img.fark.net image 500x282]


He died earlier this year. :(
 
2017-06-25 10:40:45 AM  
I had the pleasure of making an emergency landing at Sky Harbor. All the bolts the hold the engine to the wing save one had departed. There were emergency crews in the ground waiting for us and IIRC they'd foamed the runway.

Landing was fine and we got to the terminal. The airline decides to fix the plane on the spot. Because of whatever rules are in place we can't deplane. Because of the repairs no running engines to power ac. Stuck in a plane on the tarmac at Sky Harbor in the middle of the day. In August.

That sucked.
 
2017-06-25 10:48:39 AM  
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2017-06-25 10:57:52 AM  

Nick Nostril: Scarebus 330, only two engines, one gone.

I hope if I ever take a long international flight, it's on a 340, 380, or 747. I know they fly just fine on one engine, but having only one engine left is a little disconcerting.


CSB I was flying in Cessna Skymaster that lost the rear engine the pilot calmly said "that's odd guess I need to land". Glad he had his shiat together because I didn't.
 
2017-06-25 11:33:46 AM  
I used to work on planes in the Air Force, a long time ago.

Nowadays, I fly commercial a few times a year, and the things that bother me about the plane aren't the things that most passengers even notice. They freak out about things like the noise the flaps make when they retract. I worry about the noises the plane isn't making, like "why isn't the landing gear coming up?"

/someone pulled a breaker and forgot to reset, apparently
//which leads to a whole different set of worries about that flight
 
2017-06-25 12:05:40 PM  

DougTaupe: I am both fascinated and mortified by air incidents.  I do quite a bit of air travel for work, and often find myself paradoxically binge-watching 'Mayday' in the days proceeding my flight. It's been pointed out by my friends that this is a really messed-up behavior, but I'm always pretty relaxed once I get on board.  I think my brain just needs to imagine the worst case scenario in order to go through with it.


Part of training included lots of CRM and "game film study" of all manners of NTSB case studies and accident crash investigation.  It was enough to make me twitchy prior to flying the jet, but really sharpened up the awareness to catastrophic chain of event scenarios and  numbed me to when actual emergencies occurred. You fly like you train.

Also, you don't talk about crashing/ditching when you are flying unless you are actually involved in the event.  Bad luck.

/ Flight Engineer on a 60's era Starlifter in the 90s (2nd officer-- you know, like Kareem)
// One emergency involved flying around the airfield for two hours burning fuel and making phone calls to loved ones, explaining why we might be late for dinner...
/// I was lucky, wife wasn't home and I deleted the message before she got back from class

Shout out to DNRTFA and all our lost turbine blades.

"It was literally like you were sitting on top of a washing machine." lol.
 
2017-06-25 12:58:38 PM  

Tom_Slick: Nick Nostril: Scarebus 330, only two engines, one gone.

I hope if I ever take a long international flight, it's on a 340, 380, or 747. I know they fly just fine on one engine, but having only one engine left is a little disconcerting.

CSB I was flying in Cessna Skymaster that lost the rear engine the pilot calmly said "that's odd guess I need to land". Glad he had his shiat together because I didn't.


That's because the pilot still had the propeller in the front to keep him cool.
 
2017-06-25 12:59:22 PM  

MadAzza: Hey, His Name Is My Name Too, here's another airline discussion you can turn into a blowjob thread.


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2017-06-25 1:00:14 PM  

mrmopar5287: sotua: a generator broken during takeoff, so we had to turn back 15 minutes into the flight.

How long was the flight? I'm wondering why they couldn't cut in the APU and continue to the destination.


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They were only 1.5 hours into that 5 hour flight, so yeah, Perth would be the closest suitable airport. If you lose an engine you have to divert to the nearest suitable airport, you can't just keep flying on to your destination even if it is within the 180 minutes you're allowed under ETOPS rules (which KUL was not anyway)
 
2017-06-25 1:01:07 PM  

Ron Vibbentrop: Pinko_Commie: That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.

But what about the ones that aren't as safe?


I'm not saying it wasn't safe, just perhaps not quite as safe as the other ones.
 
2017-06-25 1:07:23 PM  

Nick Nostril: Scarebus 330, only two engines, one gone.

I hope if I ever take a long international flight, it's on a 340, 380, or 747. I know they fly just fine on one engine, but having only one engine left is a little disconcerting.


Just remember that modern turbine engines are some of the most reliable machines ever built. Failures are exceedingly rare. Over open ocean the only events that would take down two engines are probably going to take out all four even if you had them (things like fuel contamination/exhaustion).
 
2017-06-25 1:11:37 PM  

JDJoeE: The airline decides to fix the plane on the spot. Because of whatever rules are in place we can't deplane.


Was this an international flight headed somewhere other than PHX? Because for an airline to tell passengers they can't get off the plane while repairs are being made is very strange.
 
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