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(Politico)   Despite being investigated for selling access to Trump to highest international bidders, Paul Manafort still selling access to Trump to highest international bidders. The problem with big cojones is it's that much easier to string you up by them   ( politico.com) divider line
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2017-06-15 09:56:39 AM  
Leaving aside the question of what he did when he was associated with the campaign, is what he's doing now even illegal?  It can't be bribery, because he's not a public official selling access to his office.  Though I suppose if he's lying then the people he's scamming might have a fraud complaint.
 
2017-06-15 09:59:28 AM  

Karac: Though I suppose if he's lying then the people he's scamming might have a fraud complaint.


Hey, if they're stupid enough to believe that access to Trump will actually benefit them in any way, they deserve what they get.
 
2017-06-15 10:04:34 AM  

Karac:  It can't be bribery, because he's not a public official selling access to his office.


You think the small-handed talking yam of chaos and destruction would accept Manafort's introductions without a very wet beak, you are naive.
 
2017-06-15 10:12:16 AM  
Who's going to prosecute him, the government?

/Hahahahahaha
//HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2017-06-15 10:21:08 AM  

dionysusaur: Karac:  It can't be bribery, because he's not a public official selling access to his office.

You think the small-handed talking yam of chaos and destruction would accept Manafort's introductions without a very wet beak, you are naive.


Yeah, that's be trouble.  Either for Trump accepting a bribe or for whoever was giving him money for offering one.  Or if it was a matter of Chinese businessman gives money to Manafort, who then himself gives some of it to Trump.

But if he's just selling Trump's phone number and then letting whoever he gave that to set up the bribe on their own?  That's what I'm not sure is illegal.
 
2017-06-15 11:18:22 AM  

Karac: That's what I'm not sure is illegal.


The difficulty is that Trump is not supposed to do private business while in office.  Conflicts of interest.  If Donnie Two Scoops is actually negotiating business deals with foreign agents while in office, it's an even bigger problem.
 
2017-06-15 11:30:27 AM  

SpaceyCat: Karac: That's what I'm not sure is illegal.

The difficulty is that Trump is not supposed to do private business while in office.  Conflicts of interest.  If Donnie Two Scoops is actually negotiating business deals with foreign agents while in office, it's an even bigger problem.


Yeah, and I'll repeat myself again: that's a problem for Trump.  Trump, not Manafort, the guy named in the headline as having muchos huevos grandes.

Paul Manafort may be doing something illegal, but he definitely doesn't have a conflict of interest since he's not a public servant.
 
2017-06-15 01:04:19 PM  

SpaceyCat: Donnie Two Scoops


LOL
 
2017-06-15 01:17:47 PM  

Diogenes: LOL


That was my same reaction the first time I saw it too.  Still makes me giggle.  Dunno who started that one.
 
2017-06-15 01:24:41 PM  

Karac: Paul Manafort may be doing something illegal, but he definitely doesn't have a conflict of interest since he's not a public servant.


Yeah, sorry.  This is what I get for trying to do too many things at once.  Not sure what all the details are for someone selling access to a government official is.  Pretty sure it's not legal though.
 
2017-06-15 02:17:37 PM  
He's not going to sell access to the lowest bidder. That'd just be stupid.
 
2017-06-15 03:03:37 PM  

SpaceyCat: Diogenes: LOL

That was my same reaction the first time I saw it too.  Still makes me giggle.  Dunno who started that one.


I've only been adding it to headlines. I don't think i started it though. I'm also partial to Donnie Two Scoops Babyhands
 
2017-06-15 03:05:35 PM  

SpaceyCat: Karac: That's what I'm not sure is illegal.

The difficulty is that Trump is not supposed to do private business while in office.  Conflicts of interest.  If Donnie Two Scoops is actually negotiating business deals with foreign agents while in office, it's an even bigger problem.


Actually, you're misunderstanding the law.  It is not against the law for the President to operate his business or have a financial interest in the outcome of his actions as president.  He has conflicts of interest but they are not unlawful.  He tried to partially solve the image problem by putting his boys in charge of the business, although of course he hasn't bothered to really keep up appearances there either.

It is unconstitutional for him to receive payment or other things of value or honors from foreign governments without congressional approval.  But the exact contours of that provision have never been properly litigated and may not include payment for services, like memberships in golf courses, etc.
 
2017-06-15 03:11:03 PM  

Karac: Leaving aside the question of what he did when he was associated with the campaign, is what he's doing now even illegal?  It can't be bribery, because he's not a public official selling access to his office.  Though I suppose if he's lying then the people he's scamming might have a fraud complaint.


It's not clear Manafort ever actually registered as a foreign agent.

If he did not and he is lobbying on behalf of foreign governments of businesses, then he's breaking the law.

If he is being paid to lobby and is not actually doing so, he's committing fraud.

If he is getting them to hire him to lobby by promising outcomes he cannot deliver on, and particularly if he doesn't even try, it's obtaining money by false pretenses (again, fraud).

Of course lying your face off to get people to give you money to lobby is a hallowed tradition in that industry.  Nonetheless, people like that have gone to jail because the garden-variety lies to get clients sometimes disguise greater scams and frauds.  See Jack Abramoff.
 
2017-06-15 04:27:36 PM  

Karac: Leaving aside the question of what he did when he was associated with the campaign, is what he's doing now even illegal?  It can't be bribery, because he's not a public official selling access to his office.  Though I suppose if he's lying then the people he's scamming might have a fraud complaint.


Good point.  But, does anyone really believe that he was officially fired anyway?  I guess since the campaign SAID he was fired--he was fired.
 
2017-06-15 04:31:04 PM  

dionysusaur: very wet beak,


Is this term associated with only the mafia?  This is the only other context that I've heard that phrase

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2017-06-15 04:31:58 PM  

SpaceyCat: Diogenes: LOL

That was my same reaction the first time I saw it too.  Still makes me giggle.  Dunno who started that one.


Nor I but it too makes me giggle every time.

Keep it up
 
2017-06-15 04:35:24 PM  
They don't care.

We elected a black man into the office, twice.

As far as they're concerned we deserve it.  We were asking for it.  Were arrogant to even bring up what is and what is not appropriate and proves that we haven't learned our lesson.
 
2017-06-15 04:41:41 PM  

LandOfChocolate: SpaceyCat: Diogenes: LOL

That was my same reaction the first time I saw it too.  Still makes me giggle.  Dunno who started that one.

Nor I but it too makes me giggle every time.

Keep it up


Well, that's it. Now I'm seriously on the fence about Little Donnie Two-Scoops.
 
2017-06-15 04:46:15 PM  

foo monkey: He's not going to sell access to the lowest bidder. That'd just be stupid.


What if it's a Russian?.
 
2017-06-15 04:47:15 PM  

LandOfChocolate: SpaceyCat: Diogenes: LOL

That was my same reaction the first time I saw it too.  Still makes me giggle.  Dunno who started that one.

Nor I but it too makes me giggle every time.

Keep it up


Source: buzzfeed, March: https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/donny-two-scoops
 
2017-06-15 04:51:08 PM  
Here's what Donnie Two Scoops has to say about 'Pay for Play':
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/788150475258343424
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 And this:
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/786204978629185536
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Oh, and this:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/21/politics/clinton-morocco-trump-pay-for-​p​lay/index.html

But don't you dare call him a hypocrite.

(Only because eh won't know what you're talking about)
 
2017-06-15 04:57:50 PM  
Moron, the way you're supposed to do it is have people donate to your charity.
 
2017-06-15 04:58:37 PM  
Reminder that according to Manafort's daughter's text messages when friends attempted to contact her to offer condolences for her dad getting fired from the campaign she would tell them that it was just a matter of optics because of people sniffing around the Ukranian issue and that dad was still running the campaign behind closed doors, not Conway.

Strong evidence that either Manafort still had close ties or that he is consistently BSing that he does.
 
2017-06-15 05:00:20 PM  
It's not like he doesn't have an exfiltration plan
 
2017-06-15 05:08:26 PM  

somedude210: SpaceyCat: Diogenes: LOL

That was my same reaction the first time I saw it too.  Still makes me giggle.  Dunno who started that one.

I've only been adding it to headlines. I don't think i started it though. I'm also partial to Donnie Two Scoops Babyhands


I've always enjoyed Trumpelthinskin
 
2017-06-15 05:40:14 PM  

Karac: Leaving aside the question of what he did when he was associated with the campaign, is what he's doing now even illegal?  It can't be bribery, because he's not a public official selling access to his office.  Though I suppose if he's lying then the people he's scamming might have a fraud complaint.


Read the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. It is one of the biggest over-reaches of the US Government into the rest of the world since forever.

TL:DR everything is bribery according to FCPA
 
2017-06-15 06:01:02 PM  
No, don't, stop!
No don't, stop!
No don't stop!
Don't stop don't stopdon'tstopdon'tstop!

Hahaha, wow, dumass and good luck with that.
 
2017-06-15 06:06:34 PM  

wejash: Karac: Leaving aside the question of what he did when he was associated with the campaign, is what he's doing now even illegal?  It can't be bribery, because he's not a public official selling access to his office.  Though I suppose if he's lying then the people he's scamming might have a fraud complaint.

It's not clear Manafort ever actually registered as a foreign agent.

If he did not and he is lobbying on behalf of foreign governments of businesses, then he's breaking the law.

If he is being paid to lobby and is not actually doing so, he's committing fraud.

If he is getting them to hire him to lobby by promising outcomes he cannot deliver on, and particularly if he doesn't even try, it's obtaining money by false pretenses (again, fraud).

Of course lying your face off to get people to give you money to lobby is a hallowed tradition in that industry.  Nonetheless, people like that have gone to jail because the garden-variety lies to get clients sometimes disguise greater scams and frauds.  See Jack Abramoff.


According to Maddow he registered on 4/12/17. She had been checking almost daily to see if he ever had.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/fmr-trump-campaign-manager-m​a​nafort-registers-as-foreign-agent-920105027633
 
2017-06-15 06:08:17 PM  
The problem with big cojones is it's that much easier to string you up by them

And yet no one does.
 
2017-06-15 06:09:26 PM  

paygun: Moron, the way you're supposed to do it is have people donate to your charity.


Yeah, but then his stupid kid got caught, too.
 
2017-06-15 06:14:09 PM  
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2017-06-15 06:22:21 PM  
So it looks like Pence just mobbed up got a shyster.
 
2017-06-15 06:30:14 PM  

Diogenes: SpaceyCat: Donnie Two Scoops

LOL


Every time I see that I think, "Donnie Two Scoops, Two Scoops."

And then I think of Raisin Bran.
 
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