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(Guardian)   Tesla workers reveal brutal working conditions on the assembly line. "'Everything feels like the future but us'   ( theguardian.com) divider line
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2017-05-19 10:14:56 AM  
If only there was some similar group of like-minded workers that they could you know, hook up with, become a common voice.  A real team as it may be, a unified block of labor that's out to restore the middle class rather then loot it for everything legally possible.
 
2017-05-19 10:39:03 AM  
where Musk's bombastic projection that his company will make 500,000 cars in 2018 (a 495% increase from 2016) relies as much on the sweat and muscle of thousands of human workers as it does on futuristic robots.

Yeah, there's your problem right there.
 
2017-05-19 11:16:19 AM  
I'm not sure if there's really a problem, or if American workers just don't remember what it's like to work in an actual factory doing repetitive physical labor. Remember those manufacturing jobs you said you wanted back? They sucked when your grandfather was doing them, too

/Not a fan of mandatory OT, though
//and Elon... that whole "painful" thing is just... well... painful
///and weird
 
2017-05-19 11:25:45 AM  
Wait, so now you want robots to replace you? Make up your farking minds already.
 
2017-05-19 11:31:51 AM  
Hey elon, if "everyone has to work harder or we're going to go out of business" is your model, then it means the problem is with the leadership and direction of the company.
 
2017-05-19 11:33:03 AM  
I usually say that no work is beneath me but I don't think I could handle working on a production line doing the exact same thing for hours on end.
 
2017-05-19 11:33:06 AM  

cefm: Hey elon, if "everyone has to work harder or we're going to go out of business" is your model, then it means the problem is with the leadership and direction of the company.


Exactly. What does that visionless hack know about running a company?
 
2017-05-19 11:36:31 AM  
I'm a worker's rights kind of guy and I think Mr. Musk is about as full of shiat as a human being could be. But this seems like a hit piece. There is no group of 10,000 people doing physical labor who will not have lots of recordable injuries...

The company did release more recent data, which indicates its record of safety incidents went from slightly above the industry average in late 2016, to a performance in the first few months of 2017 that was 32% better than average.

Seems like they give a shiat to me. I'd never accuse Elon of giving a shiat about his employees personally, but you make less money when you are paying lots of injury claims and I would expect him to respond to that. I always try to take it with a grain of salt and look for some actual data when people publish these kinds of articles - it's not hard to find injured workers in an auto factory or injured warehouse workers in a warehouse. You have to look at their overall data and see how they compare to peers in the field.
 
2017-05-19 12:20:55 PM  

Frank N Stein: cefm: Hey elon, if "everyone has to work harder or we're going to go out of business" is your model, then it means the problem is with the leadership and direction of the company.

Exactly. What does that visionless hack know about running a company?


Claiming his company's sky-high market valuation "is higher than we have any right to deserve," Musk stated, "We're a money-losing company. This is not some situation where, for example, we are just greedy capitalists who decided to skimp on safety in order to have more profits and dividends and that kind of thing. It's just a question of how much money we lose. And how do we survive? How do we not die and have everyone lose their jobs?"

I really love his positive attitude.  That's the sort of inspirational leadership that really gets the crew motivated!
 
2017-05-19 12:24:13 PM  
Manufacturing jobs are hard.  Who knew?
 
2017-05-19 12:36:15 PM  

BumpInTheNight: If only there was some similar group of like-minded workers that they could you know, hook up with, become a common voice.  A real team as it may be, a unified block of labor that's out to restore the middle class rather then loot it for everything legally possible.


They mention joining the union in the article.  You might want to try reading it.
 
2017-05-19 12:38:58 PM  
I can see the company as a startup having a bad TRIR.  Very little institutional knowledge on how to prevent injuries (harder than you think).  Given they are trying to rework the line to make the job less damaging to the body, I am cannot say they dont care.  Wait and see.
 
2017-05-19 12:42:57 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm not sure if there's really a problem, or if American workers just don't remember what it's like to work in an actual factory doing repetitive physical labor. Remember those manufacturing jobs you said you wanted back? They sucked when your grandfather was doing them, too

/Not a fan of mandatory OT, though
//and Elon... that whole "painful" thing is just... well... painful
///and weird


Lol, if its paid OT I dont care. I do mandatory unpaid right now.
 
2017-05-19 12:44:10 PM  

BumpInTheNight: If only there was some similar group of like-minded workers that they could you know, hook up with, become a common voice.  A real team as it may be, a unified block of labor that's out to restore the middle class rather then loot it for everything legally possible.


Because that's always worked out so well. Doing less, getting paid more.
 
2017-05-19 12:49:22 PM  
Tesla added a third shift... In other words, they went from working people like dogs to adding another shift's worth of people so the workers would have some time to recover.

I work in a factory, luckily in maintenance and not production. But even then, too much overtime because we don't have enough people. Apparently a lot of the guys on the floor get overtime as well, plus they randomly schedule extra production days and never put up notice more than a week in advance. My personal feeling is that management in general doesn't have a clue.

As far as Tesla goes, I have a feeling Elon is totally out of touch with it. He probably thinks he works 80 hour weeks, not noticing that a) he's not doing physical labor and b) 40 hours of that are schmoozing with other rich guys on boats and in fancy restaurants. Plus he plunged in and had terrible accident issues for several years. Well, you can say you care but if you only care after the ambulance pulls away, it's too late. The factory is doing better now because he realized it was costing him more money to treat people like replaceable parts - not because he gives two shiats about the workers.
 
2017-05-19 12:53:16 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm not sure if there's really a problem, or if American workers just don't remember what it's like to work in an actual factory doing repetitive physical labor. Remember those manufacturing jobs you said you wanted back? They sucked when your grandfather was doing them, too

/Not a fan of mandatory OT, though
//and Elon... that whole "painful" thing is just... well... painful
///and weird

Lol, if its paid OT I dont care. I do mandatory unpaid right now.


If it's mandatory to the point that it's jeopardizing safety (and thus production), I'm definitely not a fan. It becomes counter-productive at some point. Unpaid would be right out

/this is just my opinion, of course
//ymmv
 
2017-05-19 01:31:40 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Seems like they give a shiat to me. I'd never accuse Elon of giving a shiat about his employees personally, but you make less money when you are paying lots of injury claims and I would expect him to respond to that. I always try to take it with a grain of salt and look for some actual data when people publish these kinds of articles - it's not hard to find injured workers in an auto factory or injured warehouse workers in a warehouse. You have to look at their overall data and see how they compare to peers in the field.


This is like the Foxconn suicides, where the suicide rate was lower than the average in China.

You also have to take with a pinch of salt anyone writing about their employer. Some people have a different perspective on things to the norm. Some people are trouble makers. Maybe these people aren't, but you've got 3 people out of 10,000. They might have legitimate complaints, but they might be trouble makers, or in the pay of the UAW to try and the union in there.
 
2017-05-19 01:54:30 PM  

BumpInTheNight: If only there was some similar group of like-minded workers that they could you know, hook up with, become a common voice.  A real team as it may be, a unified block of labor that's out to restore the middle class rather then loot it for everything legally possible.


Like the UAW that got it's butt kicked by the workers shortly before this "horror" story of injuries hit the media?
 
2017-05-19 03:08:49 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm not sure if there's really a problem, or if American workers just don't remember what it's like to work in an actual factory doing repetitive physical labor. Remember those manufacturing jobs you said you wanted back? They sucked when your grandfather was doing them, too

/Not a fan of mandatory OT, though
//and Elon... that whole "painful" thing is just... well... painful
///and weird

Lol, if its paid OT I dont care. I do mandatory unpaid right now.


I will to a point. After so long, your body gets tired and says Fark it I'm out. I'm 36, and I'd like to see 66 so I'm not going to kill myself for a few extra dollars.
 
2017-05-19 04:05:44 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I'm a worker's rights kind of guy and I think Mr. Musk is about as full of shiat as a human being could be. But this seems like a hit piece. There is no group of 10,000 people doing physical labor who will not have lots of recordable injuries...

The company did release more recent data, which indicates its record of safety incidents went from slightly above the industry average in late 2016, to a performance in the first few months of 2017 that was 32% better than average.

Seems like they give a shiat to me. I'd never accuse Elon of giving a shiat about his employees personally, but you make less money when you are paying lots of injury claims and I would expect him to respond to that. I always try to take it with a grain of salt and look for some actual data when people publish these kinds of articles - it's not hard to find injured workers in an auto factory or injured warehouse workers in a warehouse. You have to look at their overall data and see how they compare to peers in the field.


"The cars he worked on were suspended above the line, and his job required looking up and working with his hands above his head all day. "

A workstation designed by someone who's never worked.
 
2017-05-19 04:20:08 PM  
Auto Manufacturing can be difficult and repetitive work with a lot of people suffering from injuries because of the conditions. If you don't like it, work elsewhere.

/used to work in auto manufacturing
 
2017-05-19 04:53:04 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm not sure if there's really a problem, or if American workers just don't remember what it's like to work in an actual factory doing repetitive physical labor. Remember those manufacturing jobs you said you wanted back? They sucked when your grandfather was doing them, too

/Not a fan of mandatory OT, though
//and Elon... that whole "painful" thing is just... well... painful
///and weird

Lol, if its paid OT I dont care. I do mandatory unpaid right now.


let me guess; you work a salaried position.
 
2017-05-19 05:24:44 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: BumpInTheNight: If only there was some similar group of like-minded workers that they could you know, hook up with, become a common voice.  A real team as it may be, a unified block of labor that's out to restore the middle class rather then loot it for everything legally possible.

Because that's always worked out so well. Doing less, getting paid more.


Says the one who right above this comment whined how they have to do unpaid overtime.  Unpaid overtime is a ridiculous notion and you suckers who've let that water get so hot you don't even realize how cooked you are still biatch that the evil unions are all horrible and nothing good can happen from them.

Its almost comical.
 
2017-05-19 06:45:23 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Auto Manufacturing can be difficult and repetitive work with a lot of people suffering from injuries because of the conditions. If you don't like it, work elsewhere.

/used to work in auto manufacturing


Elon's argument is that the conditions have to be grueling because the company couldn't survive otherwise. In order for that to be true, it means he thinks raising the price of Tesla's products to provide better working conditions would drive demand down and have a net negative effect on profit. Now, do you think that's really true? I don't. This is a luxury item made for the wealthy to show their status. They can afford a higher price. I think Elon doesn't want to raise the price because that's part of the illusion: that he's magically making products of the future at an unbelievable price.

So, since he's unwilling to ask his customers (all of whom can certainly afford it) to pay more, he asks his low-income employees (many of whom can't find a better job elsewhere) to sacrifice their health in order to maintain his marketing illusion. He's a piece of shiat. At least, that's how I see it.
 
2017-05-19 07:51:27 PM  
10,000 employees and "over one hundred" have had ambulances called for them since 2014. A little over 1% of people working there getting seriously injured or passing out or having dizziness or chest pains actually sounds relatively reasonable for people doing hard physical labor over a period of several years.

Maybe the production process is flawed and hurting employees needlessly, but TFA hasn't convinced me.
 
2017-05-19 08:27:21 PM  
There is some speculation that there is an organized effort (short sellers that are getting their asses kicked on the stock or UAW who wants to unionize Tesla) that is seeding this story and stories like it (either from higher profile sharing or serving up the stories for an easy to publish peice). For example over at Reddit the Tesla motors sub is seeing a 10x increase in subscriptions to the sub and there are some suspicious comments and posts that appear to be scripted or bots.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/6c5ylt/in_the_past_8_da​y​s_weve_been_getting_more_than_a/
 
2017-05-20 07:45:52 PM  
where Musk's bombastic projection that his company will make 500,000 cars in 2018 (a 495% increase from 2016) relies as much on the sweat and muscle of thousands of human workers as it does on futuristic robots.

Yeah, if he thinks this is physically possible, he's totally clueless.
 
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