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2017-05-18 07:40:24 PM  
Bruce Sterling approves.
 
2017-05-18 07:48:36 PM  
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Soon.
 
2017-05-18 07:59:42 PM  
Pill? I'd put that shiat in the water.
 
2017-05-18 08:00:14 PM  
Humans did not survive the last ice age by being all sweetness and light.  On the other hand, a'holiness is a trait that has outlived its usefulness.
 
2017-05-18 08:15:40 PM  
Headline: Can a Pill Make You More Moral?
Article: No

Welp, another statistical in the bank.
 
2017-05-18 08:20:28 PM  
Moral, according to whom?
 
2017-05-18 08:21:33 PM  
Do quaaludes make you more moral? I'm asking for a friend.

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2017-05-18 08:21:40 PM  
A Clockwork Orange already covered that concept.
 
2017-05-18 08:24:08 PM  
Well the latter would depend on what I did with the former.
 
2017-05-18 09:00:58 PM  
Morality is too subjective. A serial killer could believe that he was acting morally.
 
2017-05-18 09:05:11 PM  
Who's morality?
 
2017-05-18 09:09:31 PM  
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2017-05-18 09:44:21 PM  

bloobeary: Moral, according to whom?


According to me, you immoral bastards!
 
2017-05-18 09:45:18 PM  

dv-ous: Pill? I'd put that shiat in the water.


Beat me to it.
 
2017-05-18 09:46:02 PM  
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2017-05-18 09:55:12 PM  

dv-ous: Pill? I'd put that shiat in the water.


Do you want Reavers? Because this is how you get Reavers.
 
2017-05-18 09:56:04 PM  

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DAMMIT!!!! Guess I should have refreshed. 

*shakes tiny fist*
 
2017-05-18 10:14:44 PM  
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2017-05-18 10:27:42 PM  
Can you freebase it instead?
 
2017-05-18 10:32:20 PM  
I'm a lapsed Catholic.
And my family is still firmly catholic. They do the "hand out wine and wafer thing" and others do the "clean the excess wine thing." Sacrosant? 

Morality is a personal issue. My wife makes fun of me for my catholic guilt to this day. But it is a personal thing. 

I have a small business but I absolutely suck at it. I had to get an outside source to set pricing for me because I  will always rationalize my costs down (especially labor) because I felt guilt if I overcharged.
 
2017-05-18 10:51:39 PM  
Hell no.

Anyone remember that Star Trek episode where the transporter went wack and split Kirk into a good side and bad side?
 
2017-05-18 10:58:39 PM  

Kittypie070: Hell no.

Anyone remember that Star Trek episode where the transporter went wack and split Kirk into a good side and bad side?


No, but I remember that Red Dwarf episode when they made perfectly good and perfectly evil duplicates of the ship and themselves. Was it like that? Because I don't ever want to see that Rimmer outfit again.
 
2017-05-18 10:58:59 PM  
Ethical?  Yes.
Moral?  Hell no.
 
2017-05-18 11:01:05 PM  

bloobeary: Moral, according to whom?


The article posed that question as an afterthought (weird) and the answer from various sources was basically, "Huh... hadn't thought of that"
 
2017-05-18 11:13:14 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Kittypie070: Hell no.

Anyone remember that Star Trek episode where the transporter went wack and split Kirk into a good side and bad side?


No, but I remember that Red Dwarf episode when they made perfectly good and perfectly evil duplicates of the ship and themselves. Was it like that? Because I don't ever want to see that Rimmer outfit again.


Kirk's good side was strong and noble and admirable, but...too gentle.

Kirk's bad side was also strong, but completely id-driven, cruel and violent.

He (the good side) realized he needed both sides of his nature to be an effective captain.
 
2017-05-18 11:33:17 PM  
If I had a car that made someone tell the absolute truth, I can think of a few people I would give it to.
 
2017-05-18 11:41:01 PM  
It's immoral to make other people be moral.
 
2017-05-19 12:05:41 AM  
Subby should go read Starship Troopers, particular the part about how many soldiers to sacrifice to save other soldiers.
 
2017-05-19 12:14:58 AM  
But I'm already a moral.
 
2017-05-19 12:22:22 AM  
Say what you will about religion, but going to a Catholic elementary school served me well in that department.
Surely not perfect, but instilled at least a pause in my brain before acting.
 
2017-05-19 01:59:16 AM  
That is a very moot question.

Be not over wise, for why shouldest thou perish?


Being moral in a population of mixed moral and immoral individuals entails risks and costs to the moral and to their fellows, moral or immoral alike, but being moral in a moral population entails benefits with few risks and constitutes the strength and superiority of moral people and communities. Thus morality is senseless except in a social situation which permits it. What is moral in a household may be immoral in a state or a church.

The same is true of truthfulness. Where there is no cost to being truthful, there is no reason to lie, but where there is a cost to being truthful, it is foolish and self-destructive not to lie in some contingencies.

For example, a Jew may admit to being Jewish in a tolerant society, but to admit to being Jewish when asked by a Nazi or a bigot, you must needs be a fool, and to truthfully point out all the Jews hiding among non-Jews to a Nazi, an Inquisition or even a Communist tyrant, is a fundamental betrayal and a grave moral injustice.

There has to be a context for there to be morality, just as there has to be right intent as well as right action for their to be a moral action.

If I accidentally knock a person standing behind me over a cliff without even being aware they were behind me, I have not committed murder, only involuntary manslaughter.

Making people be moral in some situations will surely be to condemn them to infamy and wrongful death.

The man who said that God gave us tongues to conceal our thought may well have had the necessity of lying for moral reasons as one of the aims of the Deity in making us less truthful than dogs, hogs, or clogs.
 
2017-05-19 04:27:04 AM  
I'm not sure we need a pill for morality, which is subjective. I'd advocate a pill for general courteous and considerate behavior, through. Really, does the 88-year-old man bent double over his cane really have to ask someone on the bus to get up so he can sit down?
 
2017-05-19 06:25:19 AM  
Is it possible to chemically induce a conscience?
 
2017-05-19 06:35:37 AM  

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Why is this pill made of piss?
 
2017-05-19 06:46:23 AM  
They could call it Moral Oral...
 
2017-05-19 07:22:53 AM  
If I were somehow convinced that such a pill could exist, and actually would make humans more sensible about things, I'd certainly give it to others.  If that worked out well, perhaps myself.  Since I'd hardly go around dosing people without their knowledge and consent AFTER I took such a pill now would I?  The question pretty much answers itself in the negative, at least for the latter half.
 
2017-05-19 07:23:57 AM  
Here's the deal. If people agree to take the pill, they don't have to take it. If they refuse the pill, we force them to take it. And if you get caught doing something immoral and you haven't taken the pill, you're killed by being choked to death on fistfuls of the medication.

I think this is a fair, rational, moral, equitable solution. Of course, I'm an insane hypocritical psychopath.
 
2017-05-19 08:52:42 AM  
Just get to the nerve stapling and get it over with. You know you want to.
 
2017-05-19 09:55:22 AM  

Ambivalence: Is it possible to chemically induce a conscience?


Different thing.  And that's our problem.

Could we start dosing Republicans so they're more empathetic?  If you did it to the people running Fox News, would the resulting tone shift be enough to move the GOP away from 'so what if people will die, the top 10% get their tax cuts'?
 
2017-05-19 10:46:13 AM  
No way.  Who wants to be like a mushroom?
 
2017-05-19 02:51:27 PM  
Well, we already have a pill to make us immoral. Actually, it's a drink called alcohol.
 
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