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2017-05-18 10:47:56 AM  
Cool.  Another music source where you'll be forced to listen to the same damned song every 2 hours.
 
2017-05-18 01:09:30 PM  
Keep your hands off of Pandora.  The music channels on SiriusXM are terrible in how they repeatedly play the same songs.  I doubt that most channels have a playlist of more than a 100 songs.  I could see them ditching many of the more obscure artists if they took over Pandora.
 
2017-05-18 02:43:11 PM  

Dinjiin: Keep your hands off of Pandora.  The music channels on SiriusXM are terrible in how they repeatedly play the same songs.  I doubt that most channels have a playlist of more than a 100 songs.  I could see them ditching many of the more obscure artists if they took over Pandora.


Pandora, over the past year or so, has basically turned in to the radio, for me anyway. Songs frequently repeat, and the song to ad ratio has been slowly approaching 1:1.

I understand it's a free service, I don't have a problem with ads in order to listen, but I hear less on broadcast radio.
 
2017-05-18 02:51:32 PM  
Can pandora really pick out the music i want? Currently I'm into strings. Preferrably violins. Small violins. Very, very small violins
 
2017-05-18 02:59:57 PM  

Tchernobog: Dinjiin: Keep your hands off of Pandora.  The music channels on SiriusXM are terrible in how they repeatedly play the same songs.  I doubt that most channels have a playlist of more than a 100 songs.  I could see them ditching many of the more obscure artists if they took over Pandora.

Pandora, over the past year or so, has basically turned in to the radio, for me anyway. Songs frequently repeat, and the song to ad ratio has been slowly approaching 1:1.

I understand it's a free service, I don't have a problem with ads in order to listen, but I hear less on broadcast radio.


I have yet to hear a 20 minute block of commercials on Pandora or the Sirius channels that have ads. I hear it ALL of the time on terrestrial radio. It's why I have no problem paying for Sirius. No commercials for me unless I'm on the comedy channels. I started using Pandora today because the wife is listening to Sirius online, interestingly enough, and every 3 or 4 songs, I get about 30 seconds of commercials, even that is better than regular radio.
 
2017-05-18 03:05:08 PM  

Mikey1969: Tchernobog: Dinjiin: Keep your hands off of Pandora.  The music channels on SiriusXM are terrible in how they repeatedly play the same songs.  I doubt that most channels have a playlist of more than a 100 songs.  I could see them ditching many of the more obscure artists if they took over Pandora.

Pandora, over the past year or so, has basically turned in to the radio, for me anyway. Songs frequently repeat, and the song to ad ratio has been slowly approaching 1:1.

I understand it's a free service, I don't have a problem with ads in order to listen, but I hear less on broadcast radio.

I have yet to hear a 20 minute block of commercials on Pandora or the Sirius channels that have ads. I hear it ALL of the time on terrestrial radio. It's why I have no problem paying for Sirius. No commercials for me unless I'm on the comedy channels. I started using Pandora today because the wife is listening to Sirius online, interestingly enough, and every 3 or 4 songs, I get about 30 seconds of commercials, even that is better than regular radio.


I listen to Pandora thru my AppleTV and have never heard an ad.

It may help if you sign up for a thinly populated zip code.
 
2017-05-18 03:12:25 PM  
Will that stop the bottom-feeding rehab-det forgiveness-mypillow ads? Sometimes I wish I had an actual radio...then i remember, that ad quality always been small-market radio's bread and butter
 
2017-05-18 03:28:23 PM  

Mikey1969: Tchernobog: Dinjiin: Keep your hands off of Pandora.  The music channels on SiriusXM are terrible in how they repeatedly play the same songs.  I doubt that most channels have a playlist of more than a 100 songs.  I could see them ditching many of the more obscure artists if they took over Pandora.

Pandora, over the past year or so, has basically turned in to the radio, for me anyway. Songs frequently repeat, and the song to ad ratio has been slowly approaching 1:1.

I understand it's a free service, I don't have a problem with ads in order to listen, but I hear less on broadcast radio.

I have yet to hear a 20 minute block of commercials on Pandora or the Sirius channels that have ads. I hear it ALL of the time on terrestrial radio. It's why I have no problem paying for Sirius. No commercials for me unless I'm on the comedy channels. I started using Pandora today because the wife is listening to Sirius online, interestingly enough, and every 3 or 4 songs, I get about 30 seconds of commercials, even that is better than regular radio.


Meh. Just my experience with it. I used it for years, it's only recently that it has started to suck. Prior to that, I could listen to stand up or music for 30 minutes+ without an ad. Every 2 songs is just radio that uses data.
 
2017-05-18 03:40:24 PM  

Tchernobog: Every 2 songs is just radio that uses data.


Yeah, that's my take on it, too. I gave it a try, but it's just not really my thing.

I'm on the outgoing wave of music consumers who actually paid for most of his music, one album release at a time. Been doing that since 1975 or so. As a consequence, I'm now walking around with (hold on a second...)  7,429 songs on my phone at all times. A collection of songs, albums & artists that I've been curating continuously since I was a teenager. I could listen to them for weeks and weeks, 24/7, without a song repeating.

So that's what I listen to. Why wouldn't I?
 
2017-05-18 03:44:39 PM  
Sirius XM's online player sucketh.  Perhaps it's a play for a real internet player, though I don't know why that's so hard for Sirius to do themselves.  But, for whatever reason, their current one is trash.
 
2017-05-18 03:47:45 PM  
I stopped using Pandora probably a decade ago--had been a subscriber of Pandora One (no ads) and they rolled out a client update that just didn't work on my system.  Turns out, they had added data trackers to it, and I was redirecting all trackers to localhost which prevented their player from "working."  Confirmed it with a call to their helpdesk.  Cancelled my Pandora One subscription on the spot and haven't used Pandora since.
 
2017-05-18 03:48:50 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: Tchernobog: Every 2 songs is just radio that uses data.

Yeah, that's my take on it, too. I gave it a try, but it's just not really my thing.

I'm on the outgoing wave of music consumers who actually paid for most of his music, one album release at a time. Been doing that since 1975 or so. As a consequence, I'm now walking around with (hold on a second...)  7,429 songs on my phone at all times. A collection of songs, albums & artists that I've been curating continuously since I was a teenager. I could listen to them for weeks and weeks, 24/7, without a song repeating.

So that's what I listen to. Why wouldn't I?


My problem is that my music is too eclectic to just stick the whole thing on "Shuffle". And I don't want to sit down and sort out an build playlists to keep the Fiona Apple out of the Black Sabbath, the Beethoven out of the Johnny Cash, the David Bowie out of the Schoolhouse Rock tribute, the hey Might Be Giants out of the Metallica, and so on.

With Sirius, I just switch between the stations based on what my preference is at the moment, sometimes it's the 8-'s channel, sometimes it's the cassette era classic rock, sometimes it's heavy metal, sometimes it's hair bands, sometimes it's blues, sometimes it's rap, sometimes it's comedy.

But I don't have to sort, build playlists, or get shiat that just doesn't flow. And as I said, no commercials for me on Sirius, except for the comedy channels.
 
2017-05-18 03:51:36 PM  

DragonIV: Sirius XM's online player sucketh.  Perhaps it's a play for a real internet player, though I don't know why that's so hard for Sirius to do themselves.  But, for whatever reason, their current one is trash.


It was worse... Especially their Android player. I just hate that I can't get Artist/Song alerts like I do on my regular player. I'd much rather have that than the "custom mix". I also wish I could tie it to my car radio and search and add artists to the alerts, rather than have to hope I'll be on the right channel when one comes on, and then remember to add them to the list while I'm bopping along to the music.
 
2017-05-18 04:00:43 PM  
Mikey1969: [N]o commercials for me on Sirius, except for the comedy channels.

But, then you get that damn Zyppah commercial with Jimmy, the spokesdroid who sounds like Gilbert Gottfried. That is one way to ensure I never buy one. (The only thing that would sound worse than Gottfried would be Zyppah Jimmy, or Gottfried singing "Lost in Love" as a duet with Fran Dresher.)

Craig Ferguson's live reads are pretty inspired, though.
 
2017-05-18 04:03:16 PM  

Tchernobog: Dinjiin: Keep your hands off of Pandora.  The music channels on SiriusXM are terrible in how they repeatedly play the same songs.  I doubt that most channels have a playlist of more than a 100 songs.  I could see them ditching many of the more obscure artists if they took over Pandora.

Pandora, over the past year or so, has basically turned in to the radio, for me anyway. Songs frequently repeat, and the song to ad ratio has been slowly approaching 1:1.

I understand it's a free service, I don't have a problem with ads in order to listen, but I hear less on broadcast radio.


Goddamn THIS.

And why does "Oh Oh Oh O'Reilly.....Auto PARTS" and Home Depot make up fully 90% of the commercials?
 
2017-05-18 04:26:38 PM  

Mikey1969: My problem is that my music is too eclectic to just stick the whole thing on "Shuffle". And I don't want to sit down and sort out an build playlists to keep the Fiona Apple out of the Black Sabbath, the Beethoven out of the Johnny Cash, the David Bowie out of the Schoolhouse Rock tribute, the hey Might Be Giants out of the Metallica, and so on.


Yeah, that's true. I used to make all sorts of playlists, but that's a real time-suck. Then I tried the iTunes "Genius" auto-playlist thingy, but it tends to like certain bands/songs too much.

I guess I'm more OK with a lack of obvious flow than most folks are. (For the record, I have all that you mentioned above except the School of Rock thing.) But it's also pretty easy to just hit the skip button [ >l ] if it's really, really the wrong time for Muse/Tom Waits/DIIV/Aretha/Butthole Surfers/Nick Drake/whatever.
 
2017-05-18 04:42:23 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: Mikey1969: My problem is that my music is too eclectic to just stick the whole thing on "Shuffle". And I don't want to sit down and sort out an build playlists to keep the Fiona Apple out of the Black Sabbath, the Beethoven out of the Johnny Cash, the David Bowie out of the Schoolhouse Rock tribute, the hey Might Be Giants out of the Metallica, and so on.

Yeah, that's true. I used to make all sorts of playlists, but that's a real time-suck. Then I tried the iTunes "Genius" auto-playlist thingy, but it tends to like certain bands/songs too much.

I guess I'm more OK with a lack of obvious flow than most folks are. (For the record, I have all that you mentioned above except the School of Rock thing.) But it's also pretty easy to just hit the skip button [ >l ] if it's really, really the wrong time for Muse/Tom Waits/DIIV/Aretha/Butthole Surfers/Nick Drake/whatever.


Absolutely LOVE it...

https://www.amazon.com/Schoolhouse-Rock-Rocks-Various-Artists/dp/B000​0​05J80

Bimmer Jones: Mikey1969: [N]o commercials for me on Sirius, except for the comedy channels.

But, then you get that damn Zyppah commercial with Jimmy, the spokesdroid who sounds like Gilbert Gottfried. That is one way to ensure I never buy one. (The only thing that would sound worse than Gottfried would be Zyppah Jimmy, or Gottfried singing "Lost in Love" as a duet with Fran Dresher.)

Craig Ferguson's live reads are pretty inspired, though.


I won't listen to a single commercial on a service that I pay for to specifically not have commercials, so I haven't had to listen to any of them. It sucks when I'm in the mood for comedy and 4 of the 5 comedy channels are all running commercials, though.
 
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2017-05-18 05:56:14 PM  

Dinjiin: Keep your hands off of Pandora.  The music channels on SiriusXM are terrible in how they repeatedly play the same songs.  I doubt that most channels have a playlist of more than a 100 songs.  I could see them ditching many of the more obscure artists if they took over Pandora.


Which is funny, because Pandora already limits who's available on it.   I don't think obscure is really the word you were looking for.
 
2017-05-18 06:00:33 PM  
Baba Booey
 
2017-05-18 08:54:19 PM  
And here I am considering ditching SiriusXM in favor of streaming because they've gotten so bad. Back before they became SiriusXM, XM radio actually had really good content, lots of interesting channels, and DJs that didn't blather on too much and certainly not over the music. Now they're seeming to do their best to become terrestrial radio with DJs too in love with the sound of their own voice, constant news and ads for their other stations, and anything else they can think of to take up airtime rather than just music, including those stupid morning zoo type shows. If I wanted that I'd download a podcast of one that I actually like. I got XM for music stations that just played music.

At least it's only Pandora which I left years ago for Slacker. As of a few years ago anyway Slacker had a 13 million strong music library vs the 900,000 of Pandora and it shows. I don't imagine that's changed tremendously.
 
2017-05-18 09:59:41 PM  
I only keep Sirius for Stern.  The music is horrible, every channel plays the same 25 songs.
 
2017-05-18 10:06:13 PM  
"Given the high level of shareholder involvement and what we see as significant strategic value in Pandora's user base, advertising inventory, data, and home screen position, we believe the likelihood of strategic action remains high,"

That's so wrong it's hilarious.
 
2017-05-19 01:40:53 AM  

Vaginosilicosis: My far bigger beef is that these smaller channels get shafted on bandwidth so the top40 dogshiat channels can have better sound.


that explains a lot.

when I had Sirius in my car it always irked me that channels like Liquid Metal seemed to have virtually no bass and lower volume and as such I would have to max out the bass and volume in my car to get decent sound. Then if I switched to another channel - let's say Electric Area I would have cut the bass and volume in half for fear of blowing out my car's speakers.
 
2017-05-19 06:10:05 AM  

HempHead: Mikey1969: Tchernobog: Dinjiin: Keep your hands off of Pandora.  The music channels on SiriusXM are terrible in how they repeatedly play the same songs.  I doubt that most channels have a playlist of more than a 100 songs.  I could see them ditching many of the more obscure artists if they took over Pandora.

Pandora, over the past year or so, has basically turned in to the radio, for me anyway. Songs frequently repeat, and the song to ad ratio has been slowly approaching 1:1.

I understand it's a free service, I don't have a problem with ads in order to listen, but I hear less on broadcast radio.

I have yet to hear a 20 minute block of commercials on Pandora or the Sirius channels that have ads. I hear it ALL of the time on terrestrial radio. It's why I have no problem paying for Sirius. No commercials for me unless I'm on the comedy channels. I started using Pandora today because the wife is listening to Sirius online, interestingly enough, and every 3 or 4 songs, I get about 30 seconds of commercials, even that is better than regular radio.

I listen to Pandora thru my AppleTV and have never heard an ad.

It may help if you sign up for a thinly populated zip code.


shiat, if this is gonna be that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes!
 
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