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2017-05-09 2:02:31 PM  
We need someone who's an expert on the cyber in government.
 
2017-05-09 2:02:49 PM  
oh of course
 
2017-05-09 2:03:06 PM  

UsikFark: durbnpoisn: From what I read in TFA, it seems more like there was indeed a traffic spike after Oliver's show.  Good.  Whatever happened after that, may have been a DDOS.  It may not have been.  Even if it was, Oliver did not call on some hacker commanding a fleet of bots to attack the site.  You can't blame him for that.

He did call on reddit and 4chan to help. I think ddos is the epitome of 4chan's idea of "help."


He just wanted pizzas sent to the FCC.
 
2017-05-09 2:04:45 PM  
Someone DDoS'd the FCC Website?  The Gov or Big ISP DDoS'd FCC to stop comments?

Oooooooorrrr maybe the FCC's own web servers are cheap machines that barely run?

The entirety of Trump's Administration is a living example of Hanlon's Razor.
 
2017-05-09 2:05:24 PM  
Are webserver logs subject to FOIA requests?
 
2017-05-09 2:05:52 PM  

mainstreet62: All Intensive Purposes: If only there was some way for service providers to throttle the traffic to the FCC site so that fewer users were submitting their forms at any given time.

[img.fark.net image 603x452]


Totes NOT serious, for the record. Fark Ajit.
 
2017-05-09 2:05:52 PM  
 
2017-05-09 2:11:09 PM  

nijika: If they can determine that a set of IPs were hitting their service and maybe not loading assets (images, stylesheets, etc) that a human user's browser would load, and/or if the payloads the suspected clients were sending to the form was clearly garbage, they probably have grounds to say there was a DDoS attack.

And this is the FCC, probably no stranger to probes and attacks.  They probably already have software in place to detect that happening... (probably, this is the govt we're talking about so there's a chance they don't)

Trying to link that attack to John Oliver telling people to contact the FCC, would be total BS though.


There's a note on the docket that says to group comments to avoid a slow down. I suspect EDOCS is designed more as a documentation upload system and less as a robust website comments section. The very docket mentions comments slow it down so it's probably really sensitive to actual attacks. I figure the 100k comments or so  (when I checked yesterday) did slow down the site separate from any ddos.
 
2017-05-09 2:12:36 PM  
Fight for the Future, a pro-net neutrality digital rights advocacy organization, has called on the FCC to "immediately release its logs to an independent security analyst or major news outlet to verify exactly what happened last night."

The FCC responded that it was impossible for them to release those logs because Fark You, that's why.
 
2017-05-09 2:13:34 PM  

The Wack: mommatoldme: Wow...so libs are derpy now. Cool.


Tinfoil hat.jpeg

Of all the things that have been idiotically polarized by parties, Net Neutrality is not among them.

This should be obvious, but it's only supporters are corporations and their shills, there is no reason for any non-corporate/non-corporate-sponsored-politician to stand behind this, no matter which way one leans.


There are only two groups of people who oppose Net Neutrality.  Those who do not understand the issue, and those with a direct financial stake in their position.

When people do not understand, we should explain it to them, using whatever examples or metaphors are needed to get the basic points across.  It's not "talking down" to them, it's finding whatever language you can to communicate with them.  If you need to use examples with roads, or phone lines, or a prayer network, it doesn't matter how you reach them so long as you can reach them.

/And we should take care not to confuse members of the first group with members of the second group.
//Obligatory second slashie is obligatory
 
2017-05-09 2:14:08 PM  

durbnpoisn: From what I read in TFA, it seems more like there was indeed a traffic spike after Oliver's show.  Good.  Whatever happened after that, may have been a DDOS.  It may not have been.  Even if it was, Oliver did not call on some hacker commanding a fleet of bots to attack the site.  You can't blame him for that.


If you'd noticed his eye blinks during his extensive commenting on 4chan, he was blinking out a morse code for them to unleash their Harbo DDOSery.
 
2017-05-09 2:14:54 PM  

DarnoKonrad: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6a6lzb/someone_is_astroturfing_the_fcc_with_antinet/


might be true.


No it mightn't.
 
2017-05-09 2:19:04 PM  
One does not simply honk off Anonymous without repercussions.
 
2017-05-09 2:22:16 PM  
The FCC has been pretty much a farce for some time...the internet, *polluted* ham bands (75M in particular), although 20M used to be comical, also.

"We're the Government...and we are here to help"

*derp*
 
2017-05-09 2:22:28 PM  

mod_reright: A properly configured, load-tested and scaled website/comment system shouldn't crash from the kind of load that would be generated by a portion of John Oliver's audience using it over the course of the hours that it took for the segment to run across the country and eventually spread on the Internet. It's very likely that some botnet operators decided to ddos them for the lulz after hearing about the segment. It would definitely be easy to determine if that's what happened from the logs.

/It's also possible the site is a poorly built piece of crap that crashed as soon as it experienced it's first significant load and they're lying about it.
//But they're probably telling the truth.
///This time.


The influx from olivers show was probably three orders of magnitude more traffic than an average time. And probably two orders more than an average peak.

"Properly configured, load tested, and scaled website/comment system" is not something I expect from from anyone save a huge tech company. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this things is severely misconfigured and neglected.

I'm saying I think it's much more plausible that the increase in traffic brought it down.
 
2017-05-09 2:22:55 PM  

All Intensive Purposes: mainstreet62: All Intensive Purposes: If only there was some way for service providers to throttle the traffic to the FCC site so that fewer users were submitting their forms at any given time.

[img.fark.net image 603x452]

Totes NOT serious, for the record. Fark Ajit.


I know, I just wanted to bust your chops ;-)
 
2017-05-09 2:24:09 PM  

jshine: It's possible that they were hit with DDOS attacks aside from the cumulative effect of all the comments.  Those two are not mutually-exclusive.


It's equally likely that the telecoms had their infosec people ddos the platform to minimize the number of comments.
 
2017-05-09 2:25:15 PM  

Poot beer: Well, at great personal risk, I'll suggest....it kinda' was.


You said it better than I did
 
2017-05-09 2:30:49 PM  

Subtonic: So... Their tubes got clogged up?  Is that about what happened?


That's a rather accurate metaphor for how a DDOS attack works.
 
2017-05-09 2:31:31 PM  
Is anyone else seeing Comcast ads in their twitter timeline trying to claim they support net neutrality but not title II classification?  It's incredibly orwellian, if you scroll through the replies to those ads (and their responses to them) you end up realizing that their definition of "Net-Neutrality" is "we can slow whatever we want down on the internet you paid for and you can't do a damn thing about it."
 
2017-05-09 2:33:03 PM  
Here's how to explain net neutrality to your conservative friends.

Under the current rules, ISPs all content you chose should be delivered at a an equal speed.  If those rules are changed, providers can slow down content from some source and speed it up from other sources.

Time Warner is one of the largest ISP in the country - they also own CNN.  Unless you want CNN to decide how fast you get access to Fox News - you should support net neutrality.
 
2017-05-09 2:33:11 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Ah, yes the
Federal
Censorship
Commitee.

There to serve greedy politicians, frightened sex-hating religious busybodies and shareholder-serving business concerns.


That about sums them up.
 
2017-05-09 2:34:35 PM  
We at the FCC have determined that the massive influx of traffic that caused our site to crash was a coordinated effort spearheaded by John Oliver's TV show.

As a result we are issuing fines for the amount of $15 million against HBO and John Oliver, as well as investigating potential legal action with the justice department.
 
2017-05-09 2:35:02 PM  

Brandi Morgan: Here's how to explain net neutrality to your conservative friends.

Under the current rules, ISPs all content you chose should be delivered at a an equal speed.  If those rules are changed, providers can slow down content from some source and speed it up from other sources.

Time Warner is one of the largest ISP in the country - they also own CNN.  Unless you want CNN to decide how fast you get access to Fox News - you should support net neutrality.


The other big ISP is Comcast who owns MSNBC.
 
2017-05-09 2:36:46 PM  

Nied: Is anyone else seeing Comcast ads in their twitter timeline trying to claim they support net neutrality but not title II classification?  It's incredibly orwellian, if you scroll through the replies to those ads (and their responses to them) you end up realizing that their definition of "Net-Neutrality" is "we can slow whatever we want down on the internet you paid for and you can't do a damn thing about it."


"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean-neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master-that's all."
 
2017-05-09 2:41:19 PM  

Esc7: The influx from olivers show was probably three orders of magnitude more traffic than an average time. And probably two orders more than an average peak.

"Properly configured, load tested, and scaled website/comment system" is not something I expect from from anyone save a huge tech company. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this things is severely misconfigured and neglected.

I'm saying I think it's much more plausible that the increase in traffic brought it down.


As I said, it's possible. It's also possible that both are true. In fact, as someone who's done web infrastructure operations for big companies, I can say that it is basically a law of the field that if your company makes the news -- and especially if your company's website makes the news -- and especially especially if your company's website makes the news in a technology-related story -- you will see a big uptick in attacks. So, I'd actually find it very implausible if nobody tried to mess with the FCC website after this segment went viral. But that doesn't preclude the possibility that it was also a misconfigured piece of garbage.
 
2017-05-09 2:43:12 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Diogenes: So the next time I get a ticket from customer who didn't properly scale their system and do load testing, I'm going to tell them it was a DDOS attack and close the ticket.

D-DOS?  I stopped using DOS back around version 5.1, so I am not up on all these modern computering thingys.


The extra "D" is for "Derpy".
 
2017-05-09 2:45:55 PM  

mrsleep: Oh god, I read the comments.
Those turds think the FCC DDoS themselves.

It amazing that people say the government is so inept it can't manage the simplest tasks, yet the government was tech savvy enough to DDoS themselves to thwart the comments coming in from John Oliver's viewers.

Either republicans are hur-dur inbred retards from the south, or they are intelligent tech savvy people, they can't be both depending on what your narrative calls for. They are not the Borg and this is not Star Trek.


You do realize the DDoS attack is like babies first electronic warfare of "Hacks".. its not even really a hack, but rather like stuffing a US Postal Box full of spam mail so nobody else could drop a letter for pickup. So saying republicans are "hur-dur inbred retards from the south" and did a DDoS attack would technically be consistent with that level of capabilities.

Now, this is all semantics, because most of the republicans reps and those nominated to their positions at federal agencies are typically competent and knowledgeable, but rather are greedy, evil or just plain assholes (or some combination of those 3). They just rely on those "hur-dur inbred retards from the south" to vote for them and typically throw them a distracting bone to chew on during election season to get them to vote against their best interest (See "They're going to take your guns", "They want to murder more babies, I'm pro-life" or "They're gonna raise our taxes and give your job and money to illegals").

However also equally important, is that the ISP's themselves are also a potential culprit of any DDoS. Lets face it, they certainly have the infrastructure and easily could doctor logs or script their customers modems to generate a very realistic DDoS attack and they themselves have the most to gain from blocking access to the FCC comment system.
 
2017-05-09 2:52:14 PM  

Brandi Morgan: Time Warner is one of the largest ISP in the country - they also own CNN.  Unless you want CNN to decide how fast you get access to Fox News - you should support net neutrality.


Time Warner(now Spectrum) the ISP isn't the same company as Time Warner the entertainment provider. Hasn't been for several years.
 
2017-05-09 3:01:22 PM  
Why would people DDoS the server? Then you couldn't submit anything. FCC server just couldn't handle the load of the form being submitted.
 
2017-05-09 3:03:35 PM  

suid: Actually, knowing the sort of connections our Republican friends have over in Russia, it's entirely possible that the DDOS attack was started to prevent most of us from leaving our comments on that site.

It was a very specific DDOS attack, targeted at the comment system.


Hehe, Russia again.
 
2017-05-09 3:05:13 PM  
FCC says DDoS? Meh. But I really don't think Oliver has the sort of influence everyone's trying to claim rom this happening, either.

People are fleeing the corporate media in droves.

This is a government website we're talking about, after all. Unless it's .mil, it's really not the top shelf stuff.
 
2017-05-09 3:07:30 PM  
farking shiat, one step off from outright saying "THE PROTESTING MASSES ARE ALL TERRORISTS!"
 
2017-05-09 3:09:36 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Why would people DDoS the server? Then you couldn't submit anything. FCC server just couldn't handle the load of the form being submitted.


1) for teh lulz. Never underestimate the power of socially maladjusted teenagers in large groups. Don't expect their behavior to be rational, either.

2) Entities opposed to Net Neutrality have an interest in silencing the public on this issue. They don't want people to be able to submit comments because they know the comments are going to be overwhelmingly pro-NN.
 
2017-05-09 3:43:25 PM  
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2017-05-09 3:43:55 PM  

Poot beer: Well, at great personal risk, I'll suggest....it kinda' was.


Yes, only if "directed denial of service" means "people all calling to complain at the same time", I guess.
 
2017-05-09 3:48:34 PM  

UsikFark: durbnpoisn: From what I read in TFA, it seems more like there was indeed a traffic spike after Oliver's show.  Good.  Whatever happened after that, may have been a DDOS.  It may not have been.  Even if it was, Oliver did not call on some hacker commanding a fleet of bots to attack the site.  You can't blame him for that.

He did call on reddit and 4chan to help. I think ddos is the epitome of 4chan's idea of "help."


+1 to this. 4chan is not your personal army, not even John Oliver's, but they do love net neutrality (not sure about /pol/, but everyone else at least), and there's a handful of 'em that tend to use the occasional DDOS as a way of voicing their displeasure, or just for the lulz.

Plus there was likely also a spike of legitimate traffic.
 
2017-05-09 3:49:51 PM  
It was indeed a DDoS... a Distributed Demanding of Service.
 
2017-05-09 4:37:05 PM  
Strange, when the FCC's mom worked all night and hurt her back carrying pile of quarters home -- she didn't call it a DOS attack. No. She called it a miracle. Only a two bit whore would call it a denial of service attack. And she'd still be wrong.


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2017-05-09 4:41:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Poot beer: Well, at great personal risk, I'll suggest....it kinda' was.

Yes, only if "directed

distributed denial of service" means "people all calling to complain at the same time", I guess.

a DOS attack comes from one place, or a couple of places.  Easy to foil by blocking the originating IPs.

a DDOS attack comes from oodles of different places, so there aren't just a couple of bad originating IPs to be blocked.
 
2017-05-09 4:49:58 PM  

mrsleep: Either republicans are hur-dur inbred retards from the south, or they are intelligent tech savvy people, they can't be both depending on what your narrative calls for.


The GOP can hire people to do things that its members are not intelligent enough to do.  They don't always do so, but they can.
 
2017-05-09 5:22:52 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Poot beer: Well, at great personal risk, I'll suggest....it kinda' was.

Yes, only if "directed denial of service" means "people all calling to complain at the same time", I guess.


No. No need to create a new source for the acronym.

Distributed Denial of Service. What happened is exactly that. Whether intentional, caused by script kiddies, a shadowy cyber organization in Bulgaria, or whatever, a person asked many people around the country to interact with a web service that resulted in a server suffering a denial of service, from a distributed source.

Accidentally or an "oops", what occurred was a DDoS.
 
2017-05-09 5:31:58 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Diogenes: So the next time I get a ticket from customer who didn't properly scale their system and do load testing, I'm going to tell them it was a DDOS attack and close the ticket.

D-DOS?  I stopped using DOS back around version 5.1, so I am not up on all these modern computering thingys.


Thank you, Mr. Pai.
 
2017-05-09 6:11:00 PM  
You guys are wasting a lot of words on a bold faced lie no one is falling for, and a cause that is farked due to the current administration.
 
2017-05-09 6:35:10 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: jshine: It's possible that they were hit with DDOS attacks aside from the cumulative effect of all the comments.  Those two are not mutually-exclusive.

It's equally likely that the telecoms had their infosec people ddos the platform to minimize the number of comments.


Absolutely. After all running out of their own town halls because they don't like what their constituents are saying is a cherished Republican tactic. How would shutting down their own website to avoid negative feedback to their asshattery be any different?
 
2017-05-09 8:50:49 PM  
"Dear Mr. Trump, I've been trying to download 'The Art of the Deal', but my internet is too slow and keeps timing out.  I'm going to borrow a free copy from the library instead."

This should work.
 
2017-05-09 9:48:27 PM  
Right it was a DDOS not millions of pissed off citizens who will be looking to hang someone over this. Keep telling yourself that  Pai.
 
2017-05-09 11:32:09 PM  
Does anyone else get a creepy feeling watching Pai talk? He's speaking and moving in a way that really says "deep mental illness" to me.
 
2017-05-10 7:44:21 AM  
Well it may have been a denial of service attack, straight from Ajit Pai. He's pissed that John Oliver has the bigger Reese's peanut butter cup mug
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2017-05-10 1:28:13 PM  

Number 216: Well it may have been a denial of service attack, straight from Ajit Pai. He's pissed that John Oliver has the bigger Reese's peanut butter cup mug
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And drinks the blood of smaller mugs from it!
 
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