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pxlboy

2017-05-05 7:41:01 PM

They think it's a "poke in the eye"?

How about all the...you know what, f*ck it. Let them whine about it. Christians have had their way for entirely too long. Pushback from the public is neither oppression nor persecution.

Bucky Katt

2017-05-05 7:54:49 PM

HighlanderRPI

2017-05-05 8:25:15 PM

YOU WISH DEBATE SATAN CUBE?!

/Until you can tear and burn the bible to escape the EVIL ONE, it will be impossible for your educated stupid brain to know that 4 different corner harmonic 24 hour Days rotate simultaneously within a single 4 quadrant rotation of a squared equator and cubed Earth.

davidphogan

2017-05-05 8:40:03 PM

TFA: "It's like you are mocking them. I'm not a fan"

How is it like mocking them? Can anyone translate from moron?

pxlboy

2017-05-05 8:56:30 PM

davidphogan: TFA: "It's like you are mocking them. I'm not a fan"

How is it like mocking them? Can anyone translate from moron?

"If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college."

Unobtanium

2017-05-05 8:59:00 PM

davidphogan: TFA: "It's like you are mocking them. I'm not a fan"

How is it like mocking them? Can anyone translate from moron?

I don't know, and I'm a Christian. "No atheists in foxholes," maybe?

Sounds like they took two quotes from people who are mildly opposed to it.

It's a public space, not a house of worship of a particular religion. They're not demanding space in some Episcopal Church's memorial garden.

xanadian

2017-05-05 10:15:07 PM

I'm a Christian and I gotta say:

GOOD.

/it's not what you are underneath; it's what you do that defines you
//and a lot of our so-called Christians (i.e. Calvinists) these days are far from being Christ-like

scottydoesntknow

2017-05-05 10:42:00 PM

xanadian: /it's not what you are underneath; it's what you do that defines you

Are you sure you're not a Batmanian?

uncleacid

2017-05-05 10:50:18 PM

Revek

2017-05-05 10:52:22 PM

The greatest trick the devil every played on humanity is convincing them it was god.

doosh

2017-05-05 10:55:18 PM

Why not a tungsten cube?

fragMasterFlash

2017-05-05 10:55:31 PM

For far too many people heaven is making life hell for everyone else.

Bumblefark

2017-05-05 11:04:50 PM

Meh. I'll back their right to do it. But, it's tone-deaf, childishly self-absorbed, and politically self-defeating.

But, hey, the best part about free speech is letting idiots undermine themselves.

UsikFark

2017-05-05 11:05:11 PM

davidphogan: TFA: "It's like you are mocking them. I'm not a fan"

How is it like mocking them? Can anyone translate from moron?

"The satanists are just trolling."

chitownmike

2017-05-05 11:05:32 PM

doosh: Why not a tungsten cube?
[static1.squarespace.com image 750x596]

Why the viagra?

VisualiseThis

2017-05-05 11:08:13 PM

The comments are delicious.

pete1729

2017-05-05 11:08:27 PM

Unobtanium: davidphogan: TFA: "It's like you are mocking them. I'm not a fan"

How is it like mocking them? Can anyone translate from moron?

I don't know, and I'm a Christian. "No atheists in foxholes," maybe?

Sounds like they took two quotes from people who are mildly opposed to it.

It's a public space, not a house of worship of a particular religion. They're not demanding space in some Episcopal Church's memorial garden.

No atheists in foxholes? My mom's years in Berlin ('44-'45) pretty much terminated her belief in a supreme being. I think it depends on how long you spend in the foxhole and much farked up stuff you see while you're in there.

swamp_of_dumb

2017-05-05 11:09:05 PM

"Doug Mesner-who uses the pseudonym Lucian Greaves"

My goodness, aren't you precious. Now run along outside and play dark lord of the netherworld.

scottydoesntknow

2017-05-05 11:09:40 PM

Bumblefark: Meh. I'll back their right to do it. But, it's tone-deaf, childishly self-absorbed, and politically self-defeating.

But, hey, the best part about free speech is letting idiots undermine themselves.

I agree. Letting the Christians have a monument to Christianity on public space is tone-deaf, childishly self-absorbed, and politically self-defeating.

Glad the Satanists are there to remind them they have to share if they want the space.

chitownmike

2017-05-05 11:09:44 PM

Yes, you are right protectin the first amendment is childish and self absorbed. I hope your group of choice is the first against the wall as this shiat crumbles

TOSViolation

2017-05-05 11:10:13 PM

pxlboy: They think it's a "poke in the eye"?

How about all the...you know what, f*ck it. Let them whine about it. Christians have had their way for entirely too long. Pushback from the public is neither oppression nor persecution.

The only problem I have with it is that it is disingenuous. It is likely being done by atheists instead of true followers of Satan. Even so, how would you feel about the Satanic temple declaring Adolf Hitler a prophet and putting swastikas on the monument?

I have no problem with Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and (dare I say it) even Scientologists putting up their own monuments. If the atheists want to put up a monument, then it should be secular if it is to be genuine.

henryhill

2017-05-05 11:10:26 PM

Bumblefark: Meh. I'll back their right to do it. But, it's tone-deaf, childishly self-absorbed, and politically self-defeating.

Why?

scottydoesntknow

2017-05-05 11:11:18 PM

TOSViolation: The only problem I have with it is that it is disingenuous. It is likely being done by atheists instead of true followers of Satan. Even so, how would you feel about the Satanic temple declaring Adolf Hitler a prophet and putting swastikas on the monument?

No True Satanist?

TOSViolation

2017-05-05 11:12:08 PM

UsikFark: davidphogan: TFA: "It's like you are mocking them. I'm not a fan"

How is it like mocking them? Can anyone translate from moron?

"The satanists are just trolling."

They aren't actually satanists. That's the issue. If they truly believed in Satan, then they would not be following him.

TOSViolation

2017-05-05 11:13:42 PM

scottydoesntknow: TOSViolation: The only problem I have with it is that it is disingenuous. It is likely being done by atheists instead of true followers of Satan. Even so, how would you feel about the Satanic temple declaring Adolf Hitler a prophet and putting swastikas on the monument?

No True Satanist?

I'm sure there probably are. They just don't typically do this type of thing.

doosh

2017-05-05 11:16:01 PM

chitownmike: doosh: Why not a tungsten cube?
[static1.squarespace.com image 750x596]

Why the viagra?

Because it makes me hard

henryhill

2017-05-05 11:27:22 PM

TOSViolation: They aren't actually satanists. That's the issue. If they truly believed in Satan, then they would not be following him

and 2 minutes laterI'm sure there probably are. They just don't typically do this type of thing.
Which is it?

GodComplex

2017-05-05 11:30:02 PM

Is this the thread for people who don't understand that the core tenet of the church of Satan is to troll the Christians?

Bumblefark

2017-05-05 11:32:11 PM

scottydoesntknow: Bumblefark: Meh. I'll back their right to do it. But, it's tone-deaf, childishly self-absorbed, and politically self-defeating.

But, hey, the best part about free speech is letting idiots undermine themselves.

I agree. Letting the Christians have a monument to Christianity on public space is tone-deaf, childishly self-absorbed, and politically self-defeating.

Glad the Satanists are there to remind them they have to share if they want the space.

I'll look for your contributions on the next campus speech thread.

chitownmike: Bumblefark: Meh. I'll back their right to do it. But, it's tone-deaf, childishly self-absorbed, and politically self-defeating.

But, hey, the best part about free speech is letting idiots undermine themselves.

Yes, you are right protectin the first amendment is childish and self absorbed. I hope your group of choice is the first against the wall as this shiat crumbles

The ACLU? Kay. Well...gotta admit, this is a little awkward :/

henryhill: Why?

Because this doesn't seem to be someone putting up the 10 commandments at the courthouse because, goshdurnit, this here's a Christian nation and the ebil forces of secularism need to be warded off by totem magic!

It seems to be an innocently-intended memorial, trading on established iconography and cultural customs; tread lightly. Speak for the non-christians, by all means, but save the shock-slinging, attention-whoring lampoons for something that doesn't involve dead kids. It's not always about you.

strathmeyer

2017-05-05 11:33:53 PM

TOSViolation: They aren't actually satanists. That's the issue. If they truly believed in Satan, then they would not be following him.

You're thinking of Christians. It's also even funnier since right in the article it says they don't worship Satan.

chitownmike

2017-05-05 11:37:23 PM

Bumblefark: scottydoesntknow: Bumblefark: Meh. I'll back their right to do it. But, it's tone-deaf, childishly self-absorbed, and politically self-defeating.

But, hey, the best part about free speech is letting idiots undermine themselves.

I agree. Letting the Christians have a monument to Christianity on public space is tone-deaf, childishly self-absorbed, and politically self-defeating.

Glad the Satanists are there to remind them they have to share if they want the space.

I'll look for your contributions on the next campus speech thread.

chitownmike: Bumblefark: Meh. I'll back their right to do it. But, it's tone-deaf, childishly self-absorbed, and politically self-defeating.

But, hey, the best part about free speech is letting idiots undermine themselves.

Yes, you are right protectin the first amendment is childish and self absorbed. I hope your group of choice is the first against the wall as this shiat crumbles

The ACLU? Kay. Well...gotta admit, this is a little awkward :/

henryhill: Why?

Because this doesn't seem to be someone putting up the 10 commandments at the courthouse because, goshdurnit, this here's a Christian nation and the ebil forces of secularism need to be warded off by totem magic!

It seems to be an innocently-intended memorial, trading on established iconography and cultural customs; tread lightly. Speak for the non-christians, by all means, but save the shock-slinging, attention-whoring lampoons for something that doesn't involve dead kids. It's not always about you.

You seem to get dumber with each comment and be compleatly unaware of current events from the start

WilderKWight

2017-05-05 11:43:39 PM

I'm fine with this. If I have to see a Christian cross in the park, then I expect to be able to see a pentacle, crescent moon, pentagram, infinity symbol, Star of David, and everything else under the sun.

The government doesn't get to endorse ONE religion in public space. It's all or nothing. Deal with it, Christians.

WilderKWight

2017-05-05 11:45:29 PM

chitownmike: doosh: Why not a tungsten cube?
[static1.squarespace.com image 750x596]

Why the viagra?

You're gonna need it when you fark the tungsten cube, and you know you can't resist because it's so sexy.

TOSViolation

2017-05-05 11:46:48 PM

henryhill: TOSViolation: They aren't actually satanists. That's the issue. If they truly believed in Satan, then they would not be following him
and 2 minutes laterI'm sure there probably are. They just don't typically do this type of thing.
Which is it?

It's both.

From the article:

"Doug Mesner-who uses the pseudonym Lucian Greaves-is the founder of the Satanic Temple and its non-profit group Reason Alliance.
He says the group does not worship Satan..."

There are people who like to rape babies. There are people who like to carve up women and make flesh suits out of their bodies. There are lots of VERY evil people in the world. Therefore, I have no doubt that there are true worshipers of Satan. They just aren't these types of attention-whores.

As I said before, this group of assholes only chose Satanic symbols to specifically piss people off. They could just as easily have picked swastikas, but they actually take WW2 seriously unlike religion. They are mocking religion. That is all.

Bumblefark

2017-05-05 11:46:59 PM

chitownmike: Bumblefark: scottydoesntknow: Bumblefark: Meh. I'll back their right to do it. But, it's tone-deaf, childishly self-absorbed, and politically self-defeating.

But, hey, the best part about free speech is letting idiots undermine themselves.

I agree. Letting the Christians have a monument to Christianity on public space is tone-deaf, childishly self-absorbed, and politically self-defeating.

Glad the Satanists are there to remind them they have to share if they want the space.

I'll look for your contributions on the next campus speech thread.

chitownmike: Bumblefark: Meh. I'll back their right to do it. But, it's tone-deaf, childishly self-absorbed, and politically self-defeating.

But, hey, the best part about free speech is letting idiots undermine themselves.

Yes, you are right protectin the first amendment is childish and self absorbed. I hope your group of choice is the first against the wall as this shiat crumbles

The ACLU? Kay. Well...gotta admit, this is a little awkward :/

henryhill: Why?

Because this doesn't seem to be someone putting up the 10 commandments at the courthouse because, goshdurnit, this here's a Christian nation and the ebil forces of secularism need to be warded off by totem magic!

It seems to be an innocently-intended memorial, trading on established iconography and cultural customs; tread lightly. Speak for the non-christians, by all means, but save the shock-slinging, attention-whoring lampoons for something that doesn't involve dead kids. It's not always about you.

You seem to get dumber with each comment and be compleatly unaware of current events from the start

Welp, fill me in.

I want to be compleatishly aware.

/dammit, I meant "woke." I want to be compleatishly woke. I do try to stay hip to the fashionable things and stuff *adjusts onion belt*

MadAzza

2017-05-05 11:50:19 PM

Great, so now they're endorsing two religions.

Can they not create a nonreligious memorial? Is it not possible, really?

TOSViolation

2017-05-05 11:52:02 PM

WilderKWight: I'm fine with this. If I have to see a Christian cross in the park, then I expect to be able to see a pentacle, crescent moon, pentagram, infinity symbol, Star of David, and everything else under the sun.

The government doesn't get to endorse ONE religion in public space. It's all or nothing. Deal with it, Christians.

If the Wiccans want to put up monuments, then that's fine. If the Jews want to put up a Star of David, then that's great too. If an atheist wants to erect a crucifix directly in front of a Jewish temple or a mosque, just to be an asshole, then that is not ok.

These people have already admitted they do not worship Satan. They just hate religious people. This would be the same as Muslims wanting to put up a monument that says "Death to homosexuals." It's driven purely by hate.

rosekolodny

2017-05-05 11:52:36 PM

WilderKWight: chitownmike: doosh: Why not a tungsten cube?
[static1.squarespace.com image 750x596]

Why the viagra?

You're gonna need it when you fark the tungsten cube, and you know you can't resist because it's so sexy.

I wanna fark the tungsten cube. But it looks awfully pointy.

Bumblefark

2017-05-05 11:52:55 PM

So...Aryan Nation gets space too, right?

I mean, it's a church as much as a neo-Nazi philosophy, so...gotta represent all the flavors of idiocy, no?

UsikFark

2017-05-05 11:55:13 PM

TOSViolation: UsikFark: davidphogan: TFA: "It's like you are mocking them. I'm not a fan"

How is it like mocking them? Can anyone translate from moron?

"The satanists are just trolling."

They aren't actually satanists. That's the issue. If they truly believed in Satan, then they would not be following him.

I'm not sure of anyone in my life that's a Satanist, so I hit up wiki. My understanding is that Satanists follow a left-hand path, and that left hand path includes "question[ing] religious or moral dogma, instead adhering to forms of personal anarchism". So I'm not sure being a Satanist would preclude trolling Christians or the local government/community. Wiki also describes "reactionary Satanism" as something between antisocial behavior and trolling that you'd expect from a teen or psychopath.

TOSViolation

2017-05-05 11:57:37 PM

MadAzza: Great, so now they're endorsing two religions.

Can they not create a nonreligious memorial? Is it not possible, really?

There are plenty of nonreligious memorials. They're called memorials. There's this wall that has a bunch of names on it from the Vietnam War. There are these things called gravestones. There are statues. There are all kinds of things. The only things that make a memorial "religious" are the markings and symbolism of it.

I am all for freedom of speech, but I would have no problem with a cemetery rejecting a gravestone that said, "Joe Blow - Hated n***ers. Glad to be free from them now." (replace n... with fa**ots if you prefer)

That's basically what these people are trying to erect.

rosekolodny

2017-05-05 11:58:54 PM

TOSViolation: WilderKWight: I'm fine with this. If I have to see a Christian cross in the park, then I expect to be able to see a pentacle, crescent moon, pentagram, infinity symbol, Star of David, and everything else under the sun.

The government doesn't get to endorse ONE religion in public space. It's all or nothing. Deal with it, Christians.

If the Wiccans want to put up monuments, then that's fine. If the Jews want to put up a Star of David, then that's great too. If an atheist wants to erect a crucifix directly in front of a Jewish temple or a mosque, just to be an asshole, then that is not ok.

These people have already admitted they do not worship Satan. They just hate religious people. This would be the same as Muslims wanting to put up a monument that says "Death to homosexuals." It's driven purely by hate.

NOPE.

Nice try, tho.

It's not a church. It's a park. There shouldn't be any religious monuments in public spaces. If any are allowed, then they must all be allowed. Especially the most absurd... Because RELIGION IS ABSURD.

RogermcAllen

2017-05-05 11:59:56 PM

So everything I learned about Satan comes from a Fark thread, but isn't he actually the good guy?

It was my understanding that god told Lucifer to be a dick, eventually Lucifer said no, and then god got all pissy and threw Lucifer out of heaven. Over the years people have just clung to the notion that, "If god says Lucifer is dick, then he must really be a dick and we hate him" even though god was the one who told him to be a dick in the first place.

TOSViolation

2017-05-06 12:00:23 AM

UsikFark: TOSViolation: UsikFark: davidphogan: TFA: "It's like you are mocking them. I'm not a fan"

How is it like mocking them? Can anyone translate from moron?

"The satanists are just trolling."

They aren't actually satanists. That's the issue. If they truly believed in Satan, then they would not be following him.

I'm not sure of anyone in my life that's a Satanist, so I hit up wiki. My understanding is that Satanists follow a left-hand path, and that left hand path includes "question[ing] religious or moral dogma, instead adhering to forms of personal anarchism". So I'm not sure being a Satanist would preclude trolling Christians or the local government/community. Wiki also describes "reactionary Satanism" as something between antisocial behavior and trolling that you'd expect from a teen or psychopath.

So the KKK should have religious protection too. Cemeteries are places for positive messages, not for hate or antisocial political-statement pieces.

Loucifer

2017-05-06 12:02:21 AM

If I start a religion that names Robert E Lee as a major God, I think the first amendment would guarantee me the right to some Confederate memorials.

CthulhuCalling

2017-05-06 12:02:39 AM

They're mocking religion. It's basically LaVey Satanism, but they really don't worship the Christian entity known as Satan and they really don't hate anyone. They promote what Satan embodies to them, but it basically comes down to trolling. And attention whoring, but they have a point.

TOSViolation

2017-05-06 12:03:50 AM

rosekolodny: NOPE.

Nice try, tho.

It's not a church. It's a park. There shouldn't be any religious monuments in public spaces. If any are allowed, then they must all be allowed. Especially the most absurd... Because RELIGION IS ABSURD.

That's where you crossed the line. Religious monuments are not messages of hate. A public park is not the place to erect a statue that says, "All LGBT people are going to burn in Hell!" The existing religious monuments are positive symbols. A cross doesn't tell a Jew, a Hindu, a Muslim, a Scientologist, or an atheist that they are despised of. This proposed monument says that to ALL of them. That is the difference.

baronbloodbath

2017-05-06 12:03:58 AM

They should let me put up a Discordian monument consisting of a statue of Dennis Nedry holding a can of Barbasol with a plaque that says "We Support The Troops".

scottydoesntknow

2017-05-06 12:04:32 AM

So are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? My opinion in college speech threads has no bearing now since it's a hypothetical situation you created to smoke bomb your way out of my response.

TOSViolation

2017-05-06 12:05:17 AM

CthulhuCalling: They're mocking religion. It's basically LaVey Satanism, but they really don't worship the Christian entity known as Satan and they really don't hate anyone. They promote what Satan embodies to them, but it basically comes down to trolling. And attention whoring, but they have a point.

No. They don't. Religious monuments bring comfort to the followers of the religion. Trolling and attention whoring brings comfort to no one.

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