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2017-04-14 10:08:58 AM  
Legislators bought and paid for by energy companies. What's a little budget shortfall and a few earthquakes?
 
2017-04-14 10:17:45 AM  
Not even prayer can undo the evil that is the Fallin led Republican idiots.
 
2017-04-14 12:17:57 PM  
O Lord, do we have the strength to carry off this mighty task in one night? Or are we just jerking off?
 
2017-04-14 02:26:15 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: O Lord, do we have the strength to carry off this mighty task in one night? Or are we just jerking off?


My experience in small town government leads me to believe that this is merely a case of blowing smoke while pretending to agonize over a decision that has already been bought and paid for behind closed doors. Just business as usual in other words.
 
2017-04-14 04:01:18 PM  

basemetal: Not even prayer can undo the evil that is the Fallin led Republican idiots.


How about pitchforks and torches?
 
2017-04-14 04:18:18 PM  

real_headhoncho: basemetal: Not even prayer can undo the evil that is the Fallin led Republican idiots.

How about pitchforks and torches?


Problem is, you're dealing with the buckle of the bible belt, where the preacher tells you you'll burn in hell if you go and get all educated and dispute their zealot ways.

/although one of the ballot measures that overwhelmingly passed says that says no ten commandments or other religious monuments on the state capitol ground
//that should give hope for some of the state
 
2017-04-14 04:51:42 PM  
Where's my satanist monument?  You assholes have time to bring up the ten commandments monument again even in the midst of all this crap, and you have time to bicker about whether or not seats at the CHK Arena are nice enough, so you have time to get me my Baphoment statue.

Unless you want to give up on the whole ten commandments monument thing and actually do your jobs like adults.  I know its hard, what with so many Republican legislators in my state hiring kids to diddle off of Craig's List, but I'm sure you can grab those bootstraps and haul yourselves up into the sky to get it all done.
 
2017-04-14 04:55:14 PM  
basemetal: real_headhoncho: basemetal: Not even prayer can undo the evil that is the Fallin led Republican idiots.

How about pitchforks and torches?

Problem is, you're dealing with the buckle of the bible belt, where the preacher tells you you'll burn in hell if you go and get all educated and dispute their zealot ways.

True unfortunately.

/although one of the ballot measures that overwhelmingly passed says that says no ten commandments or other religious monuments on the state capitol ground

The dumbfarks are trying to pass new bill allowing it anyway by declaring it an historical document.

//that should give hope for some of the state

There is a little but they are also trying to pass legislation that basically allows teaching what ever as science in schools.  We had a chance last election to remove the assholes but most of them not term limited stayed.
 
2017-04-14 04:57:54 PM  
Jesus Farking Christ on a pogostick.

Why have these people not been euthanized for the good of humanity? The legislators for being degenerate scum, and the people praying for being stupid enough to vote for said degenerate scum time after time after TIME, and then go begging to "GAWD AND JEEEZUSSS" every time the scum predictably stabs them in the face!

Fark Oklahoma.

/probably a shiatty play, too...
//it is a musical after all.
///that means they replace plot and dialogue with (occasionally) catchy tunes!
 
2017-04-14 05:01:05 PM  

xtalman: There is a little but they are also trying to pass legislation that basically allows teaching what ever as science in schools. We had a chance last election to remove the assholes but most of them not term limited stayed.


Yeah, I saw that, and yeah, you're correct, they just can't let it go on the ten commandments, and we just keep voting in the tards.

/well, not we, they.....
 
2017-04-14 05:01:12 PM  

basemetal: Not even prayer can undo the evil that is the Fallin led Republican idiots.


There's the always tried and true plan of blaming everything on illegal immigrants, people on welfare and Democrats
 
2017-04-14 05:02:25 PM  
Old and busted: thoughts & prayers.
New hotness: PUSH: Pray Until Something Happens
 
2017-04-14 05:02:45 PM  
... that thy enemy, who is naughty in thy sight, shall snuff it.
 
2017-04-14 05:05:33 PM  
Hi God, it's me, gadian.  Any chances of a good, powerful smiting of the Republican party?  I understand your non-involvement directive, but just this once, it would do the world a hell of a lot of good.  Think of it like the great flood, but without the drowned house pets.
 
2017-04-14 05:05:55 PM  
Let me know if it works... or if God ultimately needed those upgrades.
 
2017-04-14 05:07:26 PM  
FTFA: Rev. Walke Mayflower ended her prayer by saying, "We are all pulling for you. And I'll keep praying for you whether you like it or not. Amen."

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2017-04-14 05:08:13 PM  
Just one more lesson in the chapter called "Nothing Fails Like Prayer"
 
2017-04-14 05:09:42 PM  
I'm normally against legislatures having prayers, but I'd be fine with that.
 
2017-04-14 05:09:43 PM  
Lord, bless the heart of our President, and grant him wisdom. Stay his tongue from false witness and hateful words. Protect his ears from the wicked counsel of spiced-up vipers. Lead him to Thy righteousness and truth. Turn his loyalty away from towering idols and toward Thy service. Show him Thy compassion and mercy for the least of Thy children.

In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
 
2017-04-14 05:10:46 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: O Lord, do we have the strength to carry off this mighty task in one night? Or are we just jerking off?


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God's response to Oklahoma.

/former 20+ yr okie
 
2017-04-14 05:12:07 PM  

Kegluneq: Where's my satanist monument?  You assholes have time to bring up the ten commandments monument again even in the midst of all this crap, and you have time to bicker about whether or not seats at the CHK Arena are nice enough, so you have time to get me my Baphoment statue.

Unless you want to give up on the whole ten commandments monument thing and actually do your jobs like adults.  I know its hard, what with so many Republican legislators in my state hiring kids to diddle off of Craig's List, but I'm sure you can grab those bootstraps and haul yourselves up into the sky to get it all done.


This.  I also want a Satanist monument.

Assclowns.
 
2017-04-14 05:14:56 PM  

basemetal: real_headhoncho: basemetal: Not even prayer can undo the evil that is the Fallin led Republican idiots.

How about pitchforks and torches?

Problem is, you're dealing with the buckle of the bible belt, where the preacher tells you you'll burn in hell if you go and get all educated and dispute their zealot ways.

/although one of the ballot measures that overwhelmingly passed says that says no ten commandments or other religious monuments on the state capitol ground
//that should give hope for some of the state


I think they only did that to get rid of the baphomet statue the satanism put up.
 
2017-04-14 05:17:12 PM  
Seriously autocorrect. You know satanism but not satanists?
 
2017-04-14 05:51:40 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: I think they only did that to get rid of the baphomet statue the satanism put up.


Out of curiosity, what happened to it if it had already been erected?  Is it back in the possession of CoSatan or is it being held by the state in a warehouse next to the 10 Commandments monument?

// And while I'm asking random questions, anyone know why everyone still calls them commandments?  I thought the language was updated in the NIV, how is it not "Commands" by now?  Nobody pluralizes it like that anymore.
 
2017-04-14 06:03:33 PM  

drewogatory: Eddie Adams from Torrance: O Lord, do we have the strength to carry off this mighty task in one night? Or are we just jerking off?

My experience in small town government leads me to believe that this is merely a case of blowing smoke while pretending to agonize over a decision that has already been bought and paid for behind closed doors. Just business as usual in other words.


It's funny to me. All this raging and screaming about the overreach of the federal gov, all this bluster about freedom, all this nonsense about e-mails and executive orders, etc. Get real. It's only your local government that can really screw you, and they have, and they will!

/you want to get with Karlor
 
2017-04-14 06:06:13 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: basemetal: real_headhoncho: basemetal: Not even prayer can undo the evil that is the Fallin led Republican idiots.

How about pitchforks and torches?

Problem is, you're dealing with the buckle of the bible belt, where the preacher tells you you'll burn in hell if you go and get all educated and dispute their zealot ways.

/although one of the ballot measures that overwhelmingly passed says that says no ten commandments or other religious monuments on the state capitol ground
//that should give hope for some of the state

I think they only did that to get rid of the Baphomet statue the satanists put up.

Do these people seriously not get it? Never mind the Constitution ― a Ten Commandments statue would violate one of the Ten Commandments (the Second Commandment, to be precise)! Read what it actually says.
 
2017-04-14 06:11:17 PM  
Every 2-4 years you have the ability to change things.

Every 2-4 years you don't.

Every 2-4 years I laugh at you.

Kansas and Oklahoma: Making Nebraska look sane since 2008.
 
2017-04-14 06:14:21 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Natalie Portmanteau: I think they only did that to get rid of the baphomet statue the satanism put up.

Out of curiosity, what happened to it if it had already been erected?  Is it back in the possession of CoSatan or is it being held by the state in a warehouse next to the 10 Commandments monument?

// And while I'm asking random questions, anyone know why everyone still calls them commandments?  I thought the language was updated in the NIV, how is it not "Commands" by now?  Nobody pluralizes it like that anymore.


 Dunno if they ever actually got the baphomet statue up, or if they just got permission. But I think the statues are technically a gift to the state from the organization that paid for it, so if they did erect a statue, I'd wager it's in a warehouse somewhere.
 
2017-04-14 06:28:05 PM  
I guess not voting for incompetent Republican assholes is out of the question.
 
2017-04-14 06:29:46 PM  

COMALite J: Natalie Portmanteau: basemetal: real_headhoncho: basemetal: Not even prayer can undo the evil that is the Fallin led Republican idiots.

How about pitchforks and torches?

Problem is, you're dealing with the buckle of the bible belt, where the preacher tells you you'll burn in hell if you go and get all educated and dispute their zealot ways.

/although one of the ballot measures that overwhelmingly passed says that says no ten commandments or other religious monuments on the state capitol ground
//that should give hope for some of the state

I think they only did that to get rid of the Baphomet statue the satanists put up.
Do these people seriously not get it? Never mind the Constitution ― a Ten Commandments statue would violate one of the Ten Commandments (the Second Commandment, to be precise)! Read what it actually says.


I've rarely met Christians that actually know anything about their faith. But, the ten commandments are not worshipped, so it's not technically idolatry. (Fun fact, catholics learn a different second commandment, to not take the Lords name in vain. Since they pray to idols of saints and all...)

But also, the ten commandments are from the old testament. And depending on what kind of Christian you ask, the old testament may not count any more.

One is that the new covenant of Christ invalidates the laws of the old testament, and as such, you get the "leviticus doesn't count" flavor of Christianity. In which case, the new covenant supercedes the previous agreement between god, moses, and the jews. (Also in the new testament jesus says that covetousness is actually idolatry, because you worship wealth and golden idols)

On the other hand, some of the passages in Matthew seem to make it clear that the OT laws of god are still very much in effect. This gives you the "pick and choose" christians, who like to say gay people are living sinful lives, but have no problem eating shellfish, and let their wives stay in the house, even during menstruation.

And when you read that deeply into the vagaries of the faith, it becomes apparent that there is no sense to any of it, and it's simply a social control doctrine of a particularly successful and organized desert tribe.
 
2017-04-14 07:18:04 PM  

gadian: Hi God, it's me, gadian.  Any chances of a good, powerful smiting of the Republican party?  I understand your non-involvement directive, but just this once, it would do the world a hell of a lot of good.  Think of it like the great flood, but without the drowned house pets.


Hey Gadian, I'm filling in for the big J for tonight, he's sort of beat.  He did want me to tell you though, that He did answer your prayers, and gave you Trump.  What you do with him is your choice.  I personally am a fan of a strip of leather and a needle, that was a good laugh.  ~Lopt
 
2017-04-14 07:24:09 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: COMALite J: Natalie Portmanteau: basemetal: real_headhoncho: basemetal: Not even prayer can undo the evil that is the Fallin led Republican idiots.

How about pitchforks and torches?

Problem is, you're dealing with the buckle of the bible belt, where the preacher tells you you'll burn in hell if you go and get all educated and dispute their zealot ways.

/although one of the ballot measures that overwhelmingly passed says that says no ten commandments or other religious monuments on the state capitol ground
//that should give hope for some of the state

I think they only did that to get rid of the Baphomet statue the satanists put up.
Do these people seriously not get it? Never mind the Constitution ― a Ten Commandments statue would violate one of the Ten Commandments (the Second Commandment, to be precise)! Read what it actually says.

I've rarely met Christians that actually know anything about their faith. But, the Ten Commandments are not worshiped, so it's not technically idolatry. (Fun fact,Catholics learn a different second commandment, to not take the Lords name in vain. Since they pray to idols of saints and all...)

But also, the Ten Commandments are from the Old Testament. And depending on what kind of Christian you ask, the old testament may not count any more.

One is that the New Covenant of Christ invalidates the Laws of the Old Testament, and as such, you get the "Leviticus doesn't count" flavor of Christianity. In which case, the new covenant supercedes the previous agreement between God, Moses, and the Jews. (Also in the New Testament Jesus says that covetousness is actually idolatry, because you worship wealth and golden idols)

On the other hand, some of the passages in Matthew seem to make it clear that the OT laws of God are still very much in effect. This gives you the "pick and choose" Christians, who like to say gay people are living sinful lives, but have no problem eating shellfish, and let their wives stay in the house, even during menstruation.

And when you read that deeply into the vagaries of the faith, it becomes apparent that there is no sense to any of it, and it's simply a social control doctrine of a particularly successful and organized desert tribe.

Yes, I know all of that. Now read what the Second Commandment actually says. You know, like I asked. It doesn't just forbid worshiping idols. It forbids making any likeness of anything! It forbids all representative artwork of any kind! That would include the Ten Commandments stone tablets themselves. Even photography would be forbidden by a strict literal reading, since photography makes images. All movies and animations and such other than completely abstract psychedelic animations would also be forbidden.

Moreover, the very fact that these people are so insistent about putting that statue there shows that they at least do believe that the Ten Commandments, if not the rest of the Mosaic Law, still applies ― or why else put them there?
 
2017-04-14 07:44:30 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: COMALite J: Natalie Portmanteau: basemetal: real_headhoncho: basemetal: Not even prayer can undo the evil that is the Fallin led Republican idiots.

How about pitchforks and torches?

Problem is, you're dealing with the buckle of the bible belt, where the preacher tells you you'll burn in hell if you go and get all educated and dispute their zealot ways.

/although one of the ballot measures that overwhelmingly passed says that says no ten commandments or other religious monuments on the state capitol ground
//that should give hope for some of the state

I think they only did that to get rid of the Baphomet statue the satanists put up.
Do these people seriously not get it? Never mind the Constitution ― a Ten Commandments statue would violate one of the Ten Commandments (the Second Commandment, to be precise)! Read what it actually says.

I've rarely met Christians that actually know anything about their faith. But, the ten commandments are not worshipped, so it's not technically idolatry. (Fun fact, catholics learn a different second commandment, to not take the Lords name in vain. Since they pray to idols of saints and all...)

But also, the ten commandments are from the old testament. And depending on what kind of Christian you ask, the old testament may not count any more.

One is that the new covenant of Christ invalidates the laws of the old testament, and as such, you get the "leviticus doesn't count" flavor of Christianity. In which case, the new covenant supercedes the previous agreement between god, moses, and the jews. (Also in the new testament jesus says that covetousness is actually idolatry, because you worship wealth and golden idols)

On the other hand, some of the passages in Matthew seem to make it clear that the OT laws of god are still very much in effect. This gives you the "pick and choose" christians, who like to say gay people are living sinful lives, but have no problem eating shellfish, and let their wives stay in the house, even during menstruation.

And when you read that deeply into the vagaries of the faith, it becomes apparent that there is no sense to any of it, and it's simply a social control doctrine of a particularly successful and organized desert tribe.


I was taught idols AND vain
 
2017-04-14 07:48:27 PM  
Just guessing the prayer was not only ineffective, as usual; but resulted in the opposite of what was being prayed for, as happens more often than not.

When will they learn?
 
2017-04-14 07:52:55 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: Fun fact, catholics learn a different second commandment, to not take the Lords name in vain. Since they pray to idols of saints and all...


If you ever feel like trolling a Protestant a bit, you might try pointing out that the additional "no graven images" thing as presented in exodus applies to any carved sculpture of literally anything, and is actually a separate verse from the "and also don't worship them" bit.

Ever owned a book with a woodcut-style picture in it?  You're in violation of the ten commandments.  Owned an action figure?  Good job, you just earned god's curse on four generations of your descendants, dumbass.

Think that the two verses are more correctly connected as a single sentence, as in no sculptures for the purposes of worship specifically?  Well, you agree that the Catholics are 100% fine, then, since they don't pray to their icons, just use them as ritual tools in praying to god or the saints.

Give up every non-abstract representation of anything you own, or agree 100% that the Catholics and their methods of worship are perfectly fine.  Your move, Protestantism!

// I'm being somewhat facetious, I'm aware that in all Christian theologies the commandments are fulfilled law and don't actually bind Christians anyhow.  I just enjoy poking at the dumber adherents of the faith, since they spent two decades making my life suck and all I got for it was a farktonne of applied theology.
 
2017-04-14 08:21:15 PM  
They also are trying to overturn State Question 780 that reclassifies some criminal offenses, like drug possession and property crimes, to misdemeanors instead of felonies.  They said the voters didn't understand what we voted on, and passed with a 60% vote.  Fark them.
 
2017-04-14 08:32:43 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: I've rarely met Christians that actually know anything about their faith. But, the ten commandments are not worshipped, so it's not technically idolatry. (Fun fact, catholics learn a different second commandment, to not take the Lords name in vain. Since they pray to idols of saints and all...)


They don't, really, but don't let that get in the way of your prejudice.
 
2017-04-15 03:04:59 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Natalie Portmanteau: Fun fact, catholics learn a different second commandment, to not take the Lords name in vain. Since they pray to idols of saints and all...

If you ever feel like trolling a Protestant a bit, you might try pointing out that the additional "no graven images" thing as presented in exodus applies to any carved sculpture of literally anything, and is actually a separate verse from the "and also don't worship them" bit.

Ever owned a book with a woodcut-style picture in it? You're in violation of the ten commandments. Owned an action figure? Good job, you just earned god's curse on four generations of your descendants, dumbass.

Think that the two verses are more correctly connected as a single sentence, as in no sculptures for the purposes of worship specifically?  Well, you agree that the Catholics are 100% fine, then, since they don't pray to their icons, just use them as ritual tools in praying to god or the saints.

Give up every non-abstract representation of anything you own, or agree 100% that the Catholics and their methods of worship are perfectly fine.  Your move, Protestantism!

// I'm being somewhat facetious, I'm aware that in all Christian theologies the commandments are fulfilled law and don't actually bind Christians anyhow.  I just enjoy poking at the dumber adherents of the faith, since they spent two decades making my life suck and all I got for it was a farktonne of applied theology.

Yep. "Graven" means "engraved" and would include "carved" or "sculpted." But it wasn't limited to that. "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness ["graven" or otherwise] of anything that is in the heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters under the earth."

Where are the original stone tablets of the Ten Commandments? Well, the original original that was engraved by the hand of the LORD were broken by Moses in his wrath, but the replacement ones wound up in the Ark of the Covenant, which was in the Holy of Holies of first the Tabernacle and then the Temple of Solomon. At the Babylonian Captivity, that Temple was razed to the ground and the Ark lost to history.

So where is the Ark with the tablets now? Some say that God took it up into Heaven. Some say that it's buried in some cavern or underground. Some say that some Jewish priests or Levites managed to sneak it out of Jerusalem before the fall thereof and carry it to a ship where it got lost at sea. Yet all three of those possibilities are explicitly accounted for in the Second Commandment, and it's expressly forbidden to make any likeness (especially engraved ["graven"] ones such as a statue) of anything in any of those three places!

Oh, and the pagans "idolaters" that the Law railed against didn't actually worship their idols either (we know this from what writings of theirs have been found). They, like the Catholics, used the idols as stand-ins for their gods, which they believed to be spirits or some such, not actual physical man-made objects of stone or wood or metal.
 
2017-04-15 04:06:35 PM  

drewogatory: Eddie Adams from Torrance: O Lord, do we have the strength to carry off this mighty task in one night? Or are we just jerking off?

My experience in small town government leads me to believe that this is merely a case of blowing smoke while pretending to agonize over a decision that has already been bought and paid for behind closed doors. Just business as usual in other words.


My experience in small town government is that's all and fine until you fill a firehall with people against the issue and threaten to bring out the tar and feathers.

Then they come along and recant their position.

Fear works.
 
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