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2017-04-05 02:15:26 PM  
Unscrupulous landlords are taking advantage of their knowledge of that fact to deprive tenants of their legal rights.

They have no legal right to be in the United States in the first place.   Otherwise, they'd be legal immigrants.
 
2017-04-05 02:42:10 PM  
It may be a dick move, but it doesn't violate any rights.
 
2017-04-05 02:53:46 PM  
Dumb guy here... but is citizenship required to enter a rental agreement?  How does the landlord know his tenants are not here with visas or citizens themselves?
 
2017-04-05 02:59:48 PM  

dittybopper: It may be a dick move, but it doesn't violate any rights.


Last time I checked, extortion was a felony.  And yes, threatening to reveal another person's illegal conduct to gain a benefit is still extortion.
 
2017-04-05 03:25:40 PM  
This is why I hate dealing small businesses. Walmart will screw you and give you bad service, but the methods are known beforehand, documented, available on their website, and it's not personal on the part of the employee doing the screwing.

Small Business Owners are insane to a person.

dittybopper: Unscrupulous landlords are taking advantage of their knowledge of that fact to deprive tenants of their legal rights.

They have no legal right to be in the United States in the first place.   Otherwise, they'd be legal immigrants.


They have rights under the Constitution, and are entitled to equal protection under the law, as long as they're within US jurisdiction. Maybe you missed that day.
 
2017-04-05 03:26:06 PM  

dittybopper: Unscrupulous landlords are taking advantage of their knowledge of that fact to deprive tenants of their legal rights.

They have no legal right to be in the United States in the first place.   Otherwise, they'd be legal immigrants.

It may be a dick move, but it doesn't violate any rights.


They have legal rights under their lease, and applicable landlord-tenant law.
 
2017-04-05 04:03:01 PM  

dittybopper: Unscrupulous landlords are taking advantage of their knowledge of that fact to deprive tenants of their legal rights.

They have no legal right to be in the United States in the first place.   Otherwise, they'd be legal immigrants.


Being undocumented does not mean someone has zero rights and Real Americans are free to shiat all over them. That's not how the law works.
 
2017-04-05 04:03:07 PM  

netizencain: Dumb guy here... but is citizenship required to enter a rental agreement?


The answer should be easy: if you had to be a citizen to rent, every non-citizen would be forced to live under an overpass.  This does not occur.

Now, some visas may make it not practical, as you would have to return to your country before the rental contract was done.
 
2017-04-05 04:05:02 PM  
Do you want more organized crime? Because this is how you get more organized crime.
 
2017-04-05 04:05:45 PM  
Tell the landlord you're cooking meth and he won't be able to rent the crime scene.
 
2017-04-05 04:06:20 PM  
Trumpanzeed in the Boobies
 
2017-04-05 04:06:24 PM  
Fortunately, there is a place you can go where your landlord can't threaten to have you deported back to your own country. Namely, your own country.
 
2017-04-05 04:06:29 PM  

dittybopper: Unscrupulous landlords are taking advantage of their knowledge of that fact to deprive tenants of their legal rights.

They have no legal right to be in the United States in the first place.   Otherwise, they'd be legal immigrants.


however, if the landlords take money for the service of not reporting the tenants, then aren't they risking arrest themselves? I'm thinking about this part of criminal law. Maybe I do not quite understand the legal terms in "or process has been issued"?
 
2017-04-05 04:06:57 PM  

netizencain: Dumb guy here... but is citizenship required to enter a rental agreement?  How does the landlord know his tenants are not here with visas or citizens themselves?


As a Legal Permanent Resident (i.e. non-citizen green card holder) who rents his apartment, I feel like I can safely say that citizenship is not required to enter a rental agreement, at least in the state of Delaware.
 
2017-04-05 04:08:46 PM  

dittybopper: It may be a dick move, but it doesn't violate any rights.


A contract signed under duress is non-binding.  They may not be violating rights, but they're setting themselves up to lose money.
 
2017-04-05 04:09:57 PM  
ditty: Brown people? In my country?

*aggressively polishes whichever gun he's fondling at the moment*
 
2017-04-05 04:10:33 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: dittybopper: Unscrupulous landlords are taking advantage of their knowledge of that fact to deprive tenants of their legal rights.

They have no legal right to be in the United States in the first place.   Otherwise, they'd be legal immigrants.

however, if the landlords take money for the service of not reporting the tenants, then aren't they risking arrest themselves? I'm thinking about this part of criminal law. Maybe I do not quite understand the legal terms in "or process has been issued"?


They certainly should. If not under that statute then through another.

Declining to report a crime is one thing, demanding money for same is quitrue another.
 
2017-04-05 04:11:06 PM  
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2017-04-05 04:11:42 PM  

dittybopper: It may be a dick move, but it doesn't violate any rights.


Your lack of empathy is deplorable.
 
2017-04-05 04:12:28 PM  
Nice blackmail business plan you got there.
Be a real shame if something was to happen to it.
 
2017-04-05 04:13:17 PM  
Why would you threaten a tenant that has nothing to lose and can just leave the country after they kill you? They really don't have a paper trail to follow as to their identity. I don't really think they've thought it all the way through
 
2017-04-05 04:13:56 PM  

dittybopper: Unscrupulous landlords are taking advantage of their knowledge of that fact to deprive tenants of their legal rights.

They have no legal right to be in the United States in the first place.   Otherwise, they'd be legal immigrants.


If you're at fault in a car accident with another person who didn't have a driver's license...the fact they shouldn't be driving won't absolve you of being at fault
 
2017-04-05 04:14:34 PM  

dkulprit: dittybopper: It may be a dick move, but it doesn't violate any rights.

A contract signed under duress is non-binding.  They may not be violating rights, but they're setting themselves up to lose money.


True that! But, well, knowing how weird some landlord-tenant tribunals can be, that might backfire and leave the renters homeless anyhow, even if the landlords have to pay them the difference.
 
2017-04-05 04:15:14 PM  

dittybopper: It may be a dick move, but it doesn't violate any rights.


equal protection clause,  14th Amendment
 
2017-04-05 04:15:33 PM  

Munden: dittybopper: It may be a dick move, but it doesn't violate any rights.

Your lack of empathy is deplorable.


Now the truth is deplorable. Whew!
 
2017-04-05 04:16:12 PM  

dittybopper: Unscrupulous landlords are taking advantage of their knowledge of that fact to deprive tenants of their legal rights.

They have no legal right to be in the United States in the first place.   Otherwise, they'd be legal immigrants.


really branching out in this season of "What the Fark Can dittybopper be wrong about today?"

aren't you? 

stick to guns, at least then you know what you're talking about when you're completely wrong. 

as was said above. everyone is protected under that constitution you pretend to love so much, not just rural white guys with mohawks.
 
2017-04-05 04:16:22 PM  

dittybopper: Unscrupulous landlords are taking advantage of their knowledge of that fact to deprive tenants of their legal rights.

They have no legal right to be in the United States in the first place.   Otherwise, they'd be legal immigrants.


It's not a crime to be in the U.S. without papers and it doesn't give anyone else the right to do actual criminal things to them.
 
2017-04-05 04:16:31 PM  

phalamir: The answer should be easy: if you had to be a citizen to rent, every non-citizen would be forced to live under an overpass.


An overpass would be considered taxpayer-provided shelter.

Make America Great Again
 
2017-04-05 04:16:36 PM  
Wait, so it's not a crime to rent to undocumented immigrants? Isn't the landlord setting himself up for some legal trouble?
/Genuinely asking
//I have no idea
 
2017-04-05 04:16:51 PM  
https://www.aclu.org/other/rights-immigrants-aclu-position-paper

THE RIGHTS OF IMMIGRANTS
In decisions spanning more than a century, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the Constitution's guarantees apply to every person within U.S. borders, including "aliens whose presence in this country is unlawful." On the other hand, the Court has said that when the federal government uses its broad powers to supervise immigration into this country, it can exercise those powers in ways that discriminate on the basis of "alienage." In other words, the government has the power to decide who to let into the country and under what circumstances. But once here, even undocumented immigrants have the right to freedom of speech and religion, the right to be treated fairly, the right to privacy, and the other fundamental rights U.S. citizens enjoy.

Myth: U.S. Borders are Out of Control
Fact: Much of the anti-immigrant sentiment in this country is based on the unfounded fear that illegal immigrants are pouring over our borders in unprecedented numbers. In fact, the vast majority of immigrants in our country have entered legally under the strict standards imposed by the Immigration and Nationality Act. The Act allows approximately 800,000 people to settle here each year as permanent residents including about 480,000 who are admitted to reunite with their spouses, children, parents and/or siblings; about 140,000 who are admitted to fill jobs for which the U.S. Department of Labor has determined no American workers are available; about 110,000 refugees who have proven their claims of political or religious persecution in their homelands; and about 55,000 who are admitted under a "diversity" lottery, begun in 1990, that mainly benefits young European and African immigrants.

Myth: Immigrants Drain our Social Services
Fact: The Urban Institute has concluded that "immigrants actually generate significantly more in taxes paid than they cost in services." This is because undocumented workers, despite their ineligibility for most federal benefits, frequently have Social Security and income taxes withheld from their paychecks. In fact, immigrants pay substantially more in taxes every year than they receive in welfare benefits.
As a result, one commentator has pointed out, "a senior citizen on Social Security who lives in rural Kentucky is indirectly being subsidized by an immigrant who washes dishes in a chic restaurant in Santa Monica." Another commentator recently proposed that the best solution to the Social Security crisis caused by the aging of the baby boomers is to encourage immigration in order to create "instant adults" who will begin working immediately and paying into the Social Security system.
 
2017-04-05 04:17:16 PM  
We have no one to blame but ourselves when it comes to immigration.  We haven't held politicians lack of enforcement against them, we haven't held our bizarre immigration rules against them.  And most of all we haven't fined people/businesses that hire them and rent to them.

It's time to pay the piper... and its going to get a lot uglier.  Either they riot or the right will riot.
 
2017-04-05 04:18:07 PM  
man, it sucks when someone strolls in and takes a big steaming dittybopper and leaves first thing in the thread.
 
2017-04-05 04:18:11 PM  

mrlewish: Why would you threaten a tenant that has nothing to lose and can just leave the country after they kill you? They really don't have a paper trail to follow as to their identity. I don't really think they've thought it all the way through


Oddly, because most illegal immigrants are not criminals, don't want to leave, and usually have a great deal to lose...and slumlords know it.
 
2017-04-05 04:19:05 PM  

dittybopper: Unscrupulous landlords are taking advantage of their knowledge of that fact to deprive tenants of their legal rights.

They have no legal right to be in the United States in the first place.   Otherwise, they'd be legal immigrants.


A person doesn't have the right to be free from extortion if they're not documented?  I suppose we should start a human-hunting service, because they don't have the right not to be murdered.

We can make a bundle.
 
2017-04-05 04:19:06 PM  
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2017-04-05 04:19:44 PM  
Once again we see the wealthy using illegal immigrants to their profit and then use INS/ICE/(whatever they change the damn initials to) to increase their profit yet more.  Run a construction site but don't want to pay folks?  Have a raid after almost everything is done and keep their back wages.  Have a store but don't want to pay overtime?  No problem.

This would stop immediately if the business was fined for....sorry can't continue, as if the "job creators" would ever pay.
 
2017-04-05 04:19:57 PM  

Somacandra: dittybopper: Unscrupulous landlords are taking advantage of their knowledge of that fact to deprive tenants of their legal rights.

They have no legal right to be in the United States in the first place.   Otherwise, they'd be legal immigrants.

It's not a crime to be in the U.S. without papers and it doesn't give anyone else the right to do actual criminal things to them.


Illegal entry is a misdemeanor, and, if repeated after being deported, becomes punishable as a felony.
 
2017-04-05 04:21:48 PM  

vonster: Somacandra: dittybopper: Unscrupulous landlords are taking advantage of their knowledge of that fact to deprive tenants of their legal rights.

They have no legal right to be in the United States in the first place.   Otherwise, they'd be legal immigrants.

It's not a crime to be in the U.S. without papers and it doesn't give anyone else the right to do actual criminal things to them.

Illegal entry is a misdemeanor, and, if repeated after being deported, becomes punishable as a felony.


these two things do not mean the same thing.
 
2017-04-05 04:22:59 PM  

Ball of Confusion: empathy for criminals. the dumbest thing i've read yet today.


How do you feel about people getting raped in prison?  Do you think that should just be "part of the deal"?
 
2017-04-05 04:23:14 PM  

dittybopper: It may be a dick move, but it doesn't violate any rights.


Also, maybe the USA doesn't sign on to the relevant conventions. Here in Canada, it would violate several layers of rights, that are explicit in our laws. Example and example and example.
 
2017-04-05 04:24:00 PM  
Our rent is going up and the new management are sociopaths who are ghettofying the complex and aren't interested in preventing noise, abuse, etc. What can we do about it? Not a thing. We don't have money to blow on lawyers that can stand up to their lawyers. No one does. The only way to get justice in our society is to be rich enough to move. A problem we're having in our society is that we're narcissist enough to think the problem needs to be solved for this or that group instead of for one and all.
 
2017-04-05 04:24:08 PM  

vonster: Somacandra: dittybopper: Unscrupulous landlords are taking advantage of their knowledge of that fact to deprive tenants of their legal rights.

They have no legal right to be in the United States in the first place.   Otherwise, they'd be legal immigrants.

It's not a crime to be in the U.S. without papers and it doesn't give anyone else the right to do actual criminal things to them.

Illegal entry is a misdemeanor, and, if repeated after being deported, becomes punishable as a felony.


Illegal entry is not not the same thing. People can enter legally and then their visas expire. That's what happens about half the time. No evidence anyone in the story entered illegally.You're talking about something completely different.
 
2017-04-05 04:24:51 PM  

Munden: https://www.aclu.org/other/rights-immigrants-aclu-position-paper

THE RIGHTS OF IMMIGRANTS...


You're cool and that was a good post.
 
2017-04-05 04:24:54 PM  
If they are illegal aliens...they really shouldn't be here in the first placr
 
2017-04-05 04:25:19 PM  
Apologists for illegal immigration try to paint it as a victimless crime, but the fact is that illegal immigration causes substantial harm to American citizens and legal immigrants, particularly those in the most vulnerable sectors of our population - the poor, minorities, and children.
Illegal immigration causes an enormous drain on public funds. The seminal study of the costs of immigration by the National Academy of Sciences found that the taxes paid by immigrants do not begin to cover the cost of services received by them.1 The quality of education, health care and other services for Americans are undermined by the needs of endless numbers of poor, unskilled illegal entrants.
Additionally, job competition by waves of illegal immigrants desperate for any job unfairly depresses the wages and working conditions offered to American workers, hitting hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees.

1 "The New Americans: Economic, Demographic, and Fiscal Effects of Immigration," National Research Council, 1997

copy/pasted from http://www.fairus.org/
 
2017-04-05 04:26:40 PM  
There is hopefully a special place in hell for shiatty scammy landlords... not that there is a hell but I like to picture it for things like this.

I remember having a landlord who tried to scam deposit/rent money from me years back. Pretty common with landlords renting to college students. Luckily I had a friend who recently passed the bar and was practicing tenant law. Landlord was saying I'm going to talk to my lawyer and take you to court. I said talk to my lawyer, here is her number at xyz firm. Had a check in the mail two days later. No one even talked to her. I assume no tenants had bothered to call him out out that BS, and his lawyer was like you're going to be out cost + damages you idiot.
 
2017-04-05 04:26:47 PM  

Benjamin_Ghazi: vonster: Somacandra: dittybopper: Unscrupulous landlords are taking advantage of their knowledge of that fact to deprive tenants of their legal rights.

They have no legal right to be in the United States in the first place.   Otherwise, they'd be legal immigrants.

It's not a crime to be in the U.S. without papers and it doesn't give anyone else the right to do actual criminal things to them.

Illegal entry is a misdemeanor, and, if repeated after being deported, becomes punishable as a felony.

these two things do not mean the same thing.


Necessarily, no. Practically, yes.
 
2017-04-05 04:26:49 PM  
I think it's dumb. My rent seems to go up every year and basically they say that I can either renew or move.  That's all that needs to happen.  No need to drag threats into it. Pay or leave.
 
2017-04-05 04:26:50 PM  

vonster: llegal entry is a misdemeanor, and, if repeated after being deported, becomes punishable as a felony.


One is an act.  The other is a state of being.  Lots of kids, for example, are in the county without papers.  They committed no crime.  Lots of other people got here legally, then their visas ran out.  They didn't commit the crime of illegal entry.

Don't try to stretch legal definitions.
 
2017-04-05 04:27:10 PM  
Wow, I know it's brought up a lot lately but ditty what the fark happened to you?

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