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2017-03-20 09:28:28 PM  
I can trust my laptop, camera, and other expensive electronics in my checked luggage? LOL right. I guess no more traveling outside the country for me.
 
2017-03-20 09:28:50 PM  
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2017-03-20 09:30:19 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Oh yah, keep enticing me to visit your vile ass-country with benevolent and well-thought out policies like this.  Thank a deplorable appropriately for this absolute garbage.


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2017-03-20 09:31:11 PM  

FormlessOne: optikeye: But, allow them in the check luggage?

This is probably the worse place for a potential fire. At least in a cabin you can put it in a fire bag.

Yep. This isn't about "lithium battery safety concerns," though. The real question to ask is "which 13 countries?" See, I'm thinking that there are rather more countries included here than in the two-time loser Trump travel ban, and I'm wondering why...


Brown ones.

12+ Middle East and African airlines flying to U.S. covered new security procedures. -U.S. Official.
 
2017-03-20 09:41:44 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Trump's slaughter of the domestic tourism industry will be amusing, as someone mentioned above:  You don't fark with Disney.


Tourism isn't Disney's cash cow, Disney makes far more with products, media, and entertainment.

Disney could shut down Disney World and Disney Land and not even flinch.  They're not about foreign tourism, they're about domestic.
 
2017-03-20 09:44:31 PM  
I didn't know about the exploding Samsung thing until this article. Now the three Samsung commercials about their battery safety I saw tonight make sense.
 
2017-03-20 09:44:37 PM  
The long standing rules require spare lithium batteries to be below 100 watt hours, and require you to have them in your carry on luggage.

Electronic devices with a lithium battery can be checked or carried on.

Large batteries are limited to two per passenger.
 
2017-03-20 09:47:06 PM  

That Guy...From That Show!: Tourism isn't Disney's cash cow, Disney makes far more with products, media, and entertainment.


I don't know, when they open Avatar and Star Wars Land that might not be true.
 
2017-03-20 09:48:15 PM  

siennaskye: i like how this was a secret order.. that the public - probably american, wasnt supposed to know about it... which we woulda anyways after the 96 hours was up...

also how it only affects non american airlines to and from those countries. i dont even know what to say here....


This. A secret order... which the public will know about the exact first time a passenger is denied a device.

If the logic is a tablet sized device could carry a suitably energetic payload to bring down an aircraft, once (if?) battery tech catches up, a friggin pacemaker will be considered an explosive device.
 
2017-03-20 09:53:04 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Jesus. Why would anyone travel by plane ever? It's getting more ridiculous than it already was. I've probably been charged a fee by American Airlines for typing "travel by plane" in this post.


I was on the way to the airport to go back home on 9/11. Drove the rental car back home.(1000 miles) Have not flown since.

/Still have the ticket
 
2017-03-20 09:56:39 PM  
The TSA and the fearmongers will stop at nothing to destroy the US tourism industry.
 
2017-03-20 09:56:54 PM  
Thanks Putin.


assholes
 
2017-03-20 10:01:55 PM  

That Guy...From That Show!: BumpInTheNight: Trump's slaughter of the domestic tourism industry will be amusing, as someone mentioned above:  You don't fark with Disney.

Tourism isn't Disney's cash cow, Disney makes far more with products, media, and entertainment.

Disney could shut down Disney World and Disney Land and not even flinch.  They're not about foreign tourism, they're about domestic.


So basically just accept the inevitable surrender of your personal identity then, the state wins.  Good play.
 
2017-03-20 10:02:54 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: optikeye: But, allow them in the check luggage?

This is probably the worse place for a potential fire. At least in a cabin you can put it in a fire bag.


Most cargo holds are not pressurized. Lack of oxygen would put out the fire*.


*assuming oxygen generating devices are not on fire as Valujet crash.


The pressurization of the aircraft is a structural feature.
 
2017-03-20 10:03:35 PM  

RandyJohnson: ThatBillmanGuy: Jesus. Why would anyone travel by plane ever? It's getting more ridiculous than it already was. I've probably been charged a fee by American Airlines for typing "travel by plane" in this post.

I was on the way to the airport to go back home on 9/11. Drove the rental car back home.(1000 miles) Have not flown since.

/Still have the ticket


Please. Like 9/11 is going to happen again.

/well the date 9/11 will happen again, meant the terror attack
 
2017-03-20 10:08:01 PM  
My peaceful protest is that my cell phone has been on and not in airplane mode for the entirety of more than 100 flights going back more than ten years. It was stupid long before they relaxed the rules and it's still stupid now.

Protip: if there was even a smidgen of an inkling of a possibility that your little electronic thing could take the plane down they would not rely on the honor system to police it.
 
2017-03-20 10:08:30 PM  
...But you can't check into luggage anything with a farking lithium battery... Soooo....
 
2017-03-20 10:14:21 PM  

Spikescape: drjekel_mrhyde: Vegas and Disney won't take this stupid shiat on the chin for too long.

Anectotally, I'm seeing the effects. Went on a Disney (California) vacation this past Feb. with the fam. Two years ago, the hotel we stayed at was absolutely packed with huge families visiting from the Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc. This time, the hotel was at, max, 50% capacity and the room rate was $40/night lower than it had been just in December, when I first booked.

The travel bans along with trickling stories of massive harassment at the border by enabled a-hole CBP agents is having a very noticeable effect on areas previously visited by folks from the ME and Africa. There was supposed to be an African trade summit in socal this week but none of the ~100 African delegates could get an entry visa. None of them; mull that over. The effect has been dramatic and is likely to get worse.


Las Vegas doesn't seem to be hurting... yet. I'm getting nervous, as there are 2 million of us in the county who rely in some way, directly or indirectly, on the tourism industry. I rode out the housing crash but it was a pretty terrible time that we're only now recovered from.
 
2017-03-20 10:17:31 PM  

naughtyrev: "Saudi Arabia's Saudia Airlines and Royal Jordanian airlines are among the affected countries; the full list has not been revealed to the affected airlines themselves."

Don't worry, people. In a few years, once the details are hammered out bribes hit the bank accounts, Trump air will gladly fly you from the affected countries to the US with a special prescreening already in place, at on 3 times the cost.


He's one heck of a negotiator, isn't he?
 
2017-03-20 10:18:02 PM  
Guess I won't point out that the Lockerbie bomb was in the checked luggage, not in the cabin.
 
2017-03-20 10:18:55 PM  

Madman drummers bummers: theToadMan: How doomed is the US tourism industry with all of this?

It's all part of the War on Tourism.


It's part of the Republican laser-like focus on jobs.
 
2017-03-20 10:25:48 PM  

Mugato: I didn't know about the exploding Samsung thing until this article. Now the three Samsung commercials about their battery safety I saw tonight make sense.


What's it like on the international space station? That's a pretty old global strory man. I'd put it above just international, like global
 
2017-03-20 10:27:13 PM  

That Guy...From That Show!: BumpInTheNight: Trump's slaughter of the domestic tourism industry will be amusing, as someone mentioned above:  You don't fark with Disney.

Tourism isn't Disney's cash cow, Disney makes far more with products, media, and entertainment.

Disney could shut down Disney World and Disney Land and not even flinch.  They're not about foreign tourism, they're about domestic.


Not for long.  The brand has placed too much identity on having a magical place to visit, even if a fan never goes.
 
2017-03-20 10:27:52 PM  

TorpedoOrca: Mugato: I didn't know about the exploding Samsung thing until this article. Now the three Samsung commercials about their battery safety I saw tonight make sense.

What's it like on the international space station? That's a pretty old global strory man. I'd put it above just international, like global


What can I say, if it's not about movies I'm not really a current events guy.
 
2017-03-20 10:28:47 PM  
TSA may be on to something with Samsung lol
John Oliver - Samsung
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2017-03-20 10:30:24 PM  
This is reminiscent of the GWB era of keeping people scared.  Whenever something went ugly in politics and Karl Rove needed to keep the base scared, all of a sudden there was a "new threat" and the TSA "needed" to do extra security measures.
 
2017-03-20 10:31:46 PM  
I Predict A Riot

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2017-03-20 10:32:37 PM  

That Guy...From That Show!: BumpInTheNight: Trump's slaughter of the domestic tourism industry will be amusing, as someone mentioned above:  You don't fark with Disney.

Tourism isn't Disney's cash cow, Disney makes far more with products, media, and entertainment.

Disney could shut down Disney World and Disney Land and not even flinch.  They're not about foreign tourism, they're about domestic.


I think the owners of all the half-empty hotels and restaurants in Anaheim and Orlando might have something to say about it.  Convention center booking offices, cab drivers, other them parks, you name it.  I bet we'll see local sales tax revenue evaporating in these places.  Look out for Great Recession 2.0.
 
2017-03-20 10:33:52 PM  
And funny how those countries where Donnie does business wasn't on his Muslim travel ban list, and now Saudia Airlines is among the 13 airlines.
 
2017-03-20 10:34:40 PM  

LessO2: This is reminiscent of the GWB era of keeping people scared.  Whenever something went ugly in politics and Karl Rove needed to keep the base scared, all of a sudden there was a "new threat" and the TSA "needed" to do extra security measures.


I think we're at "Orange Alert".

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/At least since 1.20.17
 
2017-03-20 10:35:22 PM  

whatisaidwas: That Guy...From That Show!: BumpInTheNight: Trump's slaughter of the domestic tourism industry will be amusing, as someone mentioned above:  You don't fark with Disney.

Tourism isn't Disney's cash cow, Disney makes far more with products, media, and entertainment.

Disney could shut down Disney World and Disney Land and not even flinch.  They're not about foreign tourism, they're about domestic.

I think the owners of all the half-empty hotels and restaurants in Anaheim and Orlando might have something to say about it.  Convention center booking offices, cab drivers, other them parks, you name it.  I bet we'll see local sales tax revenue evaporating in these places.  Look out for Great Recession 2.0.


And a lot quicker than people thought.
 
2017-03-20 10:37:07 PM  
The only people regularly flying Saudi Air are middle managers and higher at oil and financial companies and Saudi royalty. So this ban will basically last an hour, until the first guy with a 7-figure salary and actual shiat to do gets inconvenienced.
 
2017-03-20 10:37:49 PM  

whatisaidwas: That Guy...From That Show!: BumpInTheNight: Trump's slaughter of the domestic tourism industry will be amusing, as someone mentioned above:  You don't fark with Disney.

Tourism isn't Disney's cash cow, Disney makes far more with products, media, and entertainment.

Disney could shut down Disney World and Disney Land and not even flinch.  They're not about foreign tourism, they're about domestic.

I think the owners of all the half-empty hotels and restaurants in Anaheim and Orlando might have something to say about it.  Convention center booking offices, cab drivers, other them parks, you name it.  I bet we'll see local sales tax revenue evaporating in these places.  Look out for Great Recession 2.0.


Looks like the point was about The Mouse, not the hotels nearby.  But yes, that's true about the collateral damage.

The Mouse is already losing enough money with ESPN.  Slower park attendance would mean less $30 Mickey Mouse ears sold, and after awhile they WILL say something.
 
2017-03-20 10:39:24 PM  

whatisaidwas: LessO2: This is reminiscent of the GWB era of keeping people scared.  Whenever something went ugly in politics and Karl Rove needed to keep the base scared, all of a sudden there was a "new threat" and the TSA "needed" to do extra security measures.

I think we're at "Orange Alert".

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/At least since 1.20.17


You mean "Ernie"

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2017-03-20 10:40:10 PM  

JohnBigBootay: My peaceful protest is that my cell phone has been on and not in airplane mode for the entirety of more than 100 flights going back more than ten years. It was stupid long before they relaxed the rules and it's still stupid now.

Protip: if there was even a smidgen of an inkling of a possibility that your little electronic thing could take the plane down they would not rely on the honor system to police it.


Have they ever said that a plane could be taken down that way? Could it be that, apart from a "OMG! You're gonna crash the plane! TURN THAT OFF!" reason, there might be a simpler, less crashy reason having to do with communications, etc?

I'm not trolling...I honestly don't know why they do it...but I've never exactly heard that it threatened the ability of the plane to stay airborne. And it's probably not due to spite or stigginit, as they will do anything to keep their first-class customers first-class customers.
 
2017-03-20 10:42:01 PM  

JohnBigBootay: My peaceful protest is that my cell phone has been on and not in airplane mode for the entirety of more than 100 flights going back more than ten years. It was stupid long before they relaxed the rules and it's still stupid now.

Protip: if there was even a smidgen of an inkling of a possibility that your little electronic thing could take the plane down they would not rely on the honor system to police it.


You should rethink that.  The plane is fine, but do you know how much battery you're going to waste pinging every cell tower from NY to LA?
 
2017-03-20 10:44:14 PM  
By Monday afternoon, a US official had briefed Reuters that the ban followed a "terrorism threat" and was expected to be announced on Tuesday.

Given the news today with the Russia hearing, I find that timing very interesting. What better way to divert attention, well, other than an actual terrorist attack.

Last time I flow out of Dubai into the US, all carryon luggage was opened and thoroughly searched at the gate. I'm guessing that's what'll happen for all flights coming in from those countries. That's bullshiat.
 
2017-03-20 10:44:18 PM  

seelorq: JohnBigBootay: My peaceful protest is that my cell phone has been on and not in airplane mode for the entirety of more than 100 flights going back more than ten years. It was stupid long before they relaxed the rules and it's still stupid now.

Protip: if there was even a smidgen of an inkling of a possibility that your little electronic thing could take the plane down they would not rely on the honor system to police it.

Have they ever said that a plane could be taken down that way? Could it be that, apart from a "OMG! You're gonna crash the plane! TURN THAT OFF!" reason, there might be a simpler, less crashy reason having to do with communications, etc?

I'm not trolling...I honestly don't know why they do it...but I've never exactly heard that it threatened the ability of the plane to stay airborne. And it's probably not due to spite or stigginit, as they will do anything to keep their first-class customers first-class customers.


The "logic" and reason was always with communication and navigation.   The communication with the radios (even though they're on an entirely different frequency), and navigation when they are doing an ILS approach and landing.

JohnBigBootay has probably experienced a lot of several drained batteries because cell phones hurtling at ~525 mph seven to eight miles above the surface somehow can't latch onto a cell tower and properly hand off to the next tower.
 
2017-03-20 10:46:44 PM  

seelorq: JohnBigBootay: My peaceful protest is that my cell phone has been on and not in airplane mode for the entirety of more than 100 flights going back more than ten years. It was stupid long before they relaxed the rules and it's still stupid now.

Protip: if there was even a smidgen of an inkling of a possibility that your little electronic thing could take the plane down they would not rely on the honor system to police it.

Have they ever said that a plane could be taken down that way? Could it be that, apart from a "OMG! You're gonna crash the plane! TURN THAT OFF!" reason, there might be a simpler, less crashy reason having to do with communications, etc?

I'm not trolling...I honestly don't know why they do it...but I've never exactly heard that it threatened the ability of the plane to stay airborne. And it's probably not due to spite or stigginit, as they will do anything to keep their first-class customers first-class customers.


According to my sister the pilot, the first cell phones had the potential to interfere with certain flight instruments during pre-takeoff which could have endangered the takeoff procedure.

That is no longer true, with better cell phone shielding and different electronics in the cockpit, so who knows why they do it now.
 
2017-03-20 10:50:45 PM  

EmmaLou: Last time I flow out of Dubai into the US, all carryon luggage was opened and thoroughly searched at the gate. I'm guessing that's what'll happen for all flights coming in from those countries. That's bullshiat.


The last few times I flew out of LHR, I got the TSA-issued pat down (I know it's not TSA out there, but they're the assholes who ordered it).  Probably because when American Airlines processed my upgrade, they had to re-ticket my itinerary, and there's likely a red flag for <24 hour ticketing to the U.S. from London.

I used to avoid going through Heathrow when they were doing the one bag carry-on nonsense.  When they unpuckered their butt cheeks and allowed the usual two, then I reluctantly flew through there again.  Then this apparent glitch with the upgrades on AA.  Screw them, the LHR fees are some of the most outrageous in the world.  Those who fly Speedbird and try to redeem miles know well about redeeming miles for "free" flights.
 
2017-03-20 10:56:15 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: "Bomb threats" aside, i'm sure it has nothing at all to do with giving border agents the opportunity to covertly check said electronic devices.

Nope. I'm not paranoid at all.


It's not paranoia if the government has a recorded history of doing this.
 
2017-03-20 11:07:37 PM  

Action Replay Nick: Seems like a totally pointless dick move to discourage brown people from visiting the US, or to put it another way, "what half the country wants".


They've been turning back a bunch of [white] Canadians the last few weeks too, Nearly all of the Canadians (of nearly all the colours) that I know are taking a pass on unnecessary US Travel and all they can to get out of the necessary until these shenanigans are undone by a President with some semblance of common sense...
 
2017-03-20 11:08:55 PM  

scandalrag: JohnBigBootay: My peaceful protest is that my cell phone has been on and not in airplane mode for the entirety of more than 100 flights going back more than ten years. It was stupid long before they relaxed the rules and it's still stupid now.

Protip: if there was even a smidgen of an inkling of a possibility that your little electronic thing could take the plane down they would not rely on the honor system to police it.

You should rethink that.  The plane is fine, but do you know how much battery you're going to waste pinging every cell tower from NY to LA?


I don't think it pings shiat over a certain altitude. But it didn't matter anyway. 90 percent are sea-sjc, two hour flight.
 
2017-03-20 11:14:19 PM  
I tried to get by the lithium battery thing by having my laptop powered by hamsters on exercise wheels, but now I've got the ASPCA and the TSA giving me a hard time.
 
2017-03-20 11:20:58 PM  

seelorq: JohnBigBootay: My peaceful protest is that my cell phone has been on and not in airplane mode for the entirety of more than 100 flights going back more than ten years. It was stupid long before they relaxed the rules and it's still stupid now.

Protip: if there was even a smidgen of an inkling of a possibility that your little electronic thing could take the plane down they would not rely on the honor system to police it.

Have they ever said that a plane could be taken down that way? Could it be that, apart from a "OMG! You're gonna crash the plane! TURN THAT OFF!" reason, there might be a simpler, less crashy reason having to do with communications, etc?

I'm not trolling...I honestly don't know why they do it...but I've never exactly heard that it threatened the ability of the plane to stay airborne. And it's probably not due to spite or stigginit, as they will do anything to keep their first-class customers first-class customers.


Well, look at it this way. Even if accidentally, or failure to understand English, or on purpose like me I think we can all agree that over the last decade millions of phones have been left on during flights many many thousands of flights. At least. (I think there are over a million people in the air every day in the US). How many, 'something went wrong with the flight because a guy left his cell phone on?' stories have you seen? Never heard of one but I'm not saying there's none. I'm saying it's sure as hell is not common and if it ever was a problem it's not now. Because they let you leave your phone on now. Do you think they just completed some huge technological achievement that now makes it safe? Or maybe just that it's been safe as houses for years but huge industries move very slowly when it comes to lifting inane restrictions.
 
2017-03-20 11:24:22 PM  

Gyrfalcon: seelorq: JohnBigBootay: My peaceful protest is that my cell phone has been on and not in airplane mode for the entirety of more than 100 flights going back more than ten years. It was stupid long before they relaxed the rules and it's still stupid now.

Protip: if there was even a smidgen of an inkling of a possibility that your little electronic thing could take the plane down they would not rely on the honor system to police it.

Have they ever said that a plane could be taken down that way? Could it be that, apart from a "OMG! You're gonna crash the plane! TURN THAT OFF!" reason, there might be a simpler, less crashy reason having to do with communications, etc?

I'm not trolling...I honestly don't know why they do it...but I've never exactly heard that it threatened the ability of the plane to stay airborne. And it's probably not due to spite or stigginit, as they will do anything to keep their first-class customers first-class customers.

According to my sister the pilot, the first cell phones had the potential to interfere with certain flight instruments during pre-takeoff which could have endangered the takeoff procedure.

That is no longer true, with better cell phone shielding and different electronics in the cockpit, so who knows why they do it now.


Because between babies crying (thinking their heads are going to blow out their ears)and the fat person next to you having their fat rolls taking over the armrest, do we really need to factor in all the assholes talking on their phones too?
 
2017-03-20 11:28:39 PM  
Wait! Galaxy s7 explodes? Either I missed the memo or subby is making shiat up.
 
2017-03-20 11:34:18 PM  

Mister Buttons: Gyrfalcon: seelorq: JohnBigBootay: My peaceful protest is that my cell phone has been on and not in airplane mode for the entirety of more than 100 flights going back more than ten years. It was stupid long before they relaxed the rules and it's still stupid now.

Protip: if there was even a smidgen of an inkling of a possibility that your little electronic thing could take the plane down they would not rely on the honor system to police it.

Have they ever said that a plane could be taken down that way? Could it be that, apart from a "OMG! You're gonna crash the plane! TURN THAT OFF!" reason, there might be a simpler, less crashy reason having to do with communications, etc?

I'm not trolling...I honestly don't know why they do it...but I've never exactly heard that it threatened the ability of the plane to stay airborne. And it's probably not due to spite or stigginit, as they will do anything to keep their first-class customers first-class customers.

According to my sister the pilot, the first cell phones had the potential to interfere with certain flight instruments during pre-takeoff which could have endangered the takeoff procedure.

That is no longer true, with better cell phone shielding and different electronics in the cockpit, so who knows why they do it now.

Because between babies crying (thinking their heads are going to blow out their ears)and the fat person next to you having their fat rolls taking over the armrest, do we really need to factor in all the assholes talking on their phones too?


The assholes are way ahead of you man.

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2017-03-20 11:35:12 PM  
Whatever.  I'll be in a wheel-well with all the snacks and devices I can carry.
 
2017-03-20 11:36:19 PM  
JohnBigBootay:
Well, look at it this way. Even if accidentally, or failure to understand English, or on purpose like me I think we can all agree that over the last decade millions of phones have been left on during flights many many thousands of flights. At least. (I think there are over a million people in the air every day in the US). How many, 'something went wrong with the flight because a guy left his cell phone on?' stories have you seen? Never heard of one but I'm not saying there's none. I'm saying it's sure as hell is not common and if it ever was a problem it's not now. Because they let you leave your phone on now. Do you think they just completed some huge technological achievement that now makes it safe? Or maybe just that it's been safe as houses for years but huge industries move very slowly when it comes to lifting inane restrictions.

Agreed. I don't know how many (if any) incidents may have happened in the past, but there was enough of something that they got an entire industry to add "airplane mode" to their devices (as noted by Gyrfalcon upthread). And since then, it has been apparently reconciled by, well, significanttechnological achievement.
 
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