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(News 13 Orlando)   "Stand your ground" extension passes in Florida, raising the bag limit to five   ( mynews13.com) divider line
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2017-03-16 10:15:12 AM  
I find it hilarious when prosecutors lose power.  The consequences won't be nearly so amusing, I suspect.
 
2017-03-16 10:46:26 AM  
If the law is used only in the way that the tiny little Republican brain imagines it (heroic Conservative homeowner protecting his loved ones from dirty Immigrant rapists), maybe it would be OK, but the real result is that now deadly force is added to the set of negotiation tools you have available to deal with disputes of any kind.

Of course, it's Florida and the bar was already pretty low.

Before it was:

Judge: Why did you kill your brother?
Defendant: He said he'd kill me if I took the last beer. I wanted it and I was in fear for my life, so I shot him.
Judge: Case dismissed!

Now it's:

Judge: Mr. Prosecutor, can you prove that the defendant  had no fear of his brother when he shot him?
Prosecutor: They were fighting over the last beer, your honor. I believe he killed him so he could have the last beer, but I can't prove what he was thinking.
Judge: Case dismissed!
 
2017-03-16 10:46:49 AM  
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2017-03-16 12:13:12 PM  
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2017-03-16 01:50:01 PM  
Did anyone consider the consequences for Florida Man and their massive Weird News export business?
 
2017-03-16 01:50:10 PM  
Sounds like open season on Floridians.
 
2017-03-16 01:51:45 PM  

Eli WhiskeyDik: [img.fark.net image 233x167]


Does this mean we can shoot this motherfarker and say we feared for our lives?  I know I feel less safe knowing this cumstain is still walking around free.
 
2017-03-16 01:51:51 PM  
Headline is farked up.
 
2017-03-16 01:53:16 PM  
Good.

Common sense legislation is hard to find lately...
 
2017-03-16 01:53:40 PM  

jchic: Eli WhiskeyDik: [img.fark.net image 233x167]

Does this mean we can shoot this motherfarker and say we feared for our lives?  I know I feel less safe knowing this cumstain is still walking around free.


I don't think it would be as easy as that. But, this is Florida we're talking about.
 
2017-03-16 01:54:33 PM  
Only 5?  I have a lot of ground to stand.  The bullets at the bottom of my high capacity magazines are always crying that they never get to be shot.
 
2017-03-16 01:55:45 PM  
Because not summarily killing everyone that tries to steal your kid's bike from the back yard makes you a pussy.

No wonder the rest of the word is in awe of your Exceptionalism.
 
2017-03-16 01:56:21 PM  

jchic: Eli WhiskeyDik: [img.fark.net image 233x167]

Does this mean we can shoot this motherfarker and say we feared for our lives?  I know I feel less safe knowing this cumstain is still walking around free.


It only works if there are no witnesses to testify against you...

/take that as you will
 
2017-03-16 01:57:52 PM  
Florida's SYG law was already farking insane, to the point of it basically making me side with the anti-gun people every time it comes up (and I am a CCP holder from goddamned Texas), but this kind of takes it over the line between it being a bad law and into some weird space where it's like a negative-universe law specifically and intentionally designed to help commit violent crimes and nothing else.

I mean, SYG is inherently an affirmative defense, by definition the burden of proof is mostly on the accused.  That's not so much a rule of law as a rule of formal logic.
 
2017-03-16 01:58:11 PM  
That weasely  fark Zimmerman had best found another state to live in. I think it's safe to say that any black teenage boy would be able to argue that they were in fear of their life because of that child killer. Well, that is assuming this law were enforced evenly across all demographics.
 
2017-03-16 01:58:18 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Only 5?  I have a lot of ground to stand.  The bullets at the bottom of my high capacity magazines are always crying that they never get to be shot.


What, you don't do follow-up shots?  It's "Two in the stink, one in..."  No, wait, that's something else.
 
2017-03-16 01:59:20 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Headline is farked up.


How? As in, is it incorrect or just the normal all-farked-up kinda thing we have here?

/found it funny, but I'm a big ol' pacifist, ymmv
 
2017-03-16 01:59:48 PM  

HypnozombieX: That weasely  fark Zimmerman had best found another state to live in. I think it's safe to say that any black teenage boy would be able to argue that they were in fear of their life because of that child killer. Well, that is assuming this law were enforced evenly across all demographics.


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2017-03-16 01:59:57 PM  
And then the murders began...
 
2017-03-16 02:00:15 PM  
So the burden of proof is on the dead guy. Makes sense
Also, when did Florida jump ahead of Arizona in the gun-nut sensitivity. I suspect Arizona senators are writing new laws as we speak. Can't let Florida get ahead.
 
2017-03-16 02:00:25 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Florida's SYG law was already farking insane, to the point of it basically making me side with the anti-gun people every time it comes up [...]


How so?  Are there specific cases where you've seen it abused horrifically, or what about the text of the law bothers you?
 
2017-03-16 02:00:56 PM  
 
2017-03-16 02:01:16 PM  

TheLopper: And then the murders began...


If you'd've just gotten in here before anyone else, you could've opened and would've closed the thread.
 
2017-03-16 02:02:04 PM  
Does this mean that at tipoff, opposing players can just punch Grayson Allen in the face to protect themselves?
 
2017-03-16 02:03:16 PM  
Florida?  It sounds like a little slice of heaven.
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2017-03-16 02:06:26 PM  
Let's not all get bent out of shape.  After all...

FTFA:  A recent study by the Journal of the American Medical Association showed "stand your ground" led to an increase in homicides in Florida.
 
2017-03-16 02:06:51 PM  
George did nothing wrong!
 
2017-03-16 02:07:35 PM  
May as well keep renewing my Total Fark subscription.
 
2017-03-16 02:07:38 PM  

HypnozombieX: That weasely  fark Zimmerman had best found another state to live in.



Why? If anyone was going to do anything to him, they'd have already done it. That guy will die of old age (and probably outlive all of us). Somebody up there likes him.
 
2017-03-16 02:07:40 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: Florida?  It sounds like a little slice of heaven.
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a friend of mine lives in Ft. Lauderdale on one of those little canals, they're basically like city streets for boats. It's actually pretty farking cool to take the boat to the bar and back. Plus there's lots of eye candy moving up and down those canals too
 
2017-03-16 02:08:37 PM  
Last seen planning a 'hunting' trip to Florida...
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2017-03-16 02:08:56 PM  

stevarooni: Jim_Callahan: Florida's SYG law was already farking insane, to the point of it basically making me side with the anti-gun people every time it comes up [...]

How so?  Are there specific cases where you've seen it abused horrifically, or what about the text of the law bothers you?


There have been a few instances where gang shootings have resulted in no arrests because of that law.
 
2017-03-16 02:11:05 PM  
It will be a polite society.
 
2017-03-16 02:12:52 PM  
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2017-03-16 02:16:39 PM  

willfullyobscure: It will be a polite society.


But a smelly one, what with everybody shiatting their pants after bumping someone else at the donught shop.
 
2017-03-16 02:18:01 PM  
Soon:

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2017-03-16 02:18:16 PM  

MrBallou: If the law is used only in the way that the tiny little Republican brain imagines it (heroic Conservative homeowner protecting his loved ones from dirty Immigrant rapists), maybe it would be OK, but the real result is that now deadly force is added to the set of negotiation tools you have available to deal with disputes of any kind.

Of course, it's Florida and the bar was already pretty low.

Before it was:

Judge: Why did you kill your brother?
Defendant: He said he'd kill me if I took the last beer. I wanted it and I was in fear for my life, so I shot him.
Judge: Case dismissed!

Now it's:

Judge: Mr. Prosecutor, can you prove that the defendant  had no fear of his brother when he shot him?
Prosecutor: They were fighting over the last beer, your honor. I believe he killed him so he could have the last beer, but I can't prove what he was thinking.
Judge: Case dismissed!


It also means make sure there are no witnesses.  So if you shoot someone, just make sure they're dead.  Body count is going to go up.  It's basically carte blanche for murder.  As long as you don't leave any trail, like text messages or emails that could prove your only intention was murder, you can kill anyone.

"I was afraid of great bodily harm."

Dismissed.
 
2017-03-16 02:19:25 PM  

willfullyobscure: It will be a polite society.


Everyone will know their local funeral directors by name and always remember to tip the EMT when being treated for minor grazes.
 
2017-03-16 02:21:27 PM  

odinsposse: stevarooni: Jim_Callahan: Florida's SYG law was already farking insane, to the point of it basically making me side with the anti-gun people every time it comes up [...]

How so?  Are there specific cases where you've seen it abused horrifically, or what about the text of the law bothers you?

There have been a few instances where gang shootings have resulted in no arrests because of that law.


That should be prosecution, not arrest.
 
2017-03-16 02:22:47 PM  

stevarooni: Jim_Callahan: Florida's SYG law was already farking insane, to the point of it basically making me side with the anti-gun people every time it comes up [...]

How so?  Are there specific cases where you've seen it abused horrifically, or what about the text of the law bothers you?


The difference between Florida's SYG law and everyone else's is that in sane states all SYG does is remove the legal requirement for the victim of assault to attempt to escape or use every method at his disposal to avoid the conflict (which is not unreasonable, just an extension of the idea of self-defense).  Florida's allows you to actually attack people based on your unverifiable 'feeling' of being threatened, without requiring that you provide proof that you were being attacked.

Essentially, in FL if you murder someone in private with no witnesses you can automatically get away with it in court so long as you don't attempt to cover it up and call the cops immediately afterward.  Zimmerman is probably the highest-profile example of how FL's law can be abused in a way that other states can't... if you intentionally pursued someone with a gun in, say, Texas, and started a fight that ended up with the other guy dead, all you'd get if you suggested SYG as a defense would be your lawyer asking for a recess to go laugh hysterically in the bathroom for half an hour.
 
2017-03-16 02:23:06 PM  

odinsposse: stevarooni: Jim_Callahan: Florida's SYG law was already farking insane, to the point of it basically making me side with the anti-gun people every time it comes up [...]

How so?  Are there specific cases where you've seen it abused horrifically, or what about the text of the law bothers you?

There have been a few instances where gang shootings have resulted in no arrests because of that law.


I wonder how long before we hear about a gang member standing his ground against law enforcement.
 
2017-03-16 02:23:33 PM  

stevarooni: Harry Freakstorm: Only 5?  I have a lot of ground to stand.  The bullets at the bottom of my high capacity magazines are always crying that they never get to be shot.

What, you don't do follow-up shots?  It's "Two in the stink, one in..."  No, wait, that's something else.


I prefer winning hearts and minds.

/Two to the heart
//One to the mind
 
2017-03-16 02:23:55 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Florida's SYG law was already farking insane, to the point of it basically making me side with the anti-gun people every time it comes up (and I am a CCP holder from goddamned Texas), but this kind of takes it over the line between it being a bad law and into some weird space where it's like a negative-universe law specifically and intentionally designed to help commit violent crimes and nothing else.


Turns out the concerns about there being a slippery-slope loss of rights and safety wrt guns was true after all.  The slope just turned out to be in the other direction.  Live by the sword, die by the sword.

We reap what we sow so enjoy your hard fought victory gun people!
 
2017-03-16 02:24:25 PM  

shabadu27: Let's not all get bent out of shape.  After all...

FTFA:  A recent study by the Journal of the American Medical Association showed "stand your ground" led to an increase in homicides in Florida.


Behold the power of the gun and of the American bigot. The perfect union of killing power and generational paranoia.
 
2017-03-16 02:25:56 PM  

Gaddiel: odinsposse: stevarooni: Jim_Callahan: Florida's SYG law was already farking insane, to the point of it basically making me side with the anti-gun people every time it comes up [...]

How so?  Are there specific cases where you've seen it abused horrifically, or what about the text of the law bothers you?

There have been a few instances where gang shootings have resulted in no arrests because of that law.

I wonder how long before we hear about a gang member standing his ground against law enforcement.


Oh.

Oh dear.

This could get real interesting really quickly.
 
2017-03-16 02:26:18 PM  

odinsposse: stevarooni: Jim_Callahan: Florida's SYG law was already farking insane, to the point of it basically making me side with the anti-gun people every time it comes up [...]

How so?  Are there specific cases where you've seen it abused horrifically, or what about the text of the law bothers you?

There have been a few instances where gang shootings have resulted in no arrests because of that law.


Well, technically not no arrests, but no prosecutions.  But yes, with SYG it's possible to claim self-defense even if you're a dirtbag.  Which actually makes sense, because even dirtbags can't be expected to just let someone shoot 'em.  The details in the case you linked are kind of fuzzy, mostly being police complaints that they're bringing in gang members who aren't being dutifully prosecuted.
 
2017-03-16 02:26:45 PM  

TheLopper: And then the murders began...


User name checks out.
 
2017-03-16 02:26:47 PM  
Please tell me how Floridians who choose not to carry can protect ourselves from our Senators/Representives who pass laws that put us in increasingly grave risk of gun violence.
Im pretty sure arming myself is not the awnser.
 
2017-03-16 02:27:59 PM  

Gaddiel: odinsposse: stevarooni: Jim_Callahan: Florida's SYG law was already farking insane, to the point of it basically making me side with the anti-gun people every time it comes up [...]

How so?  Are there specific cases where you've seen it abused horrifically, or what about the text of the law bothers you?

There have been a few instances where gang shootings have resulted in no arrests because of that law.

I wonder how long before we hear about a gang member standing his ground against law enforcement.


Laws don't apply to law enforcement, c'mon now...
 
2017-03-16 02:28:13 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Sounds like open season on Floridians.


Maybe I should build my "Fear - Sniper Blind" now, beat the rush!
 
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