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2017-03-05 6:49:57 PM  
OK, that was terrible. ALSO, I didn't realise so many Americans actually say "go ahead and....."
I knew Lumbergh said it, but I thought that was a pisstake on the expression. I had no idea that so people would go ahead and actually say it for real.
 
2017-03-05 6:51:36 PM  
Oh, and starting all YouTube videos saying: "Hey guys, what's going on?"  Why would you ask that when your audience has no possible way of answering.  It is terrible and needs to be banned.  Somebody tell someone.
 
2017-03-05 7:25:23 PM  
Fake.
 
2017-03-05 7:51:34 PM  
I don't understand the point of this.
 
2017-03-05 7:55:49 PM  

Delawhat: I don't understand the point of this.


I think it is to make doing a simple task on your computer complicated.
 
2017-03-05 7:59:46 PM  
OOC, has this guy ever played any 3D... ANYTHING in his life?!

/being able to move around in a 3D space? Pretty sure Quake and Descent has that down 20 years ago
 
2017-03-05 7:59:53 PM  
Vermal. Oh man,
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2017-03-05 8:17:41 PM  
If it is a real thing, would be neat for VR. But I'm not sure MS would go with the chintzy gfx these days.
 
2017-03-05 8:18:57 PM  

colinspooky: Oh, and starting all YouTube videos saying: "Hey guys, what's going on?"  Why would you ask that when your audience has no possible way of answering.  It is terrible and needs to be banned.  Somebody tell someone.


I told my cat. He didn't respond, but he did lick his junk. We're still trying to translate the meaning of the gesture.
 
2017-03-05 8:29:13 PM  
A virtual environment allows you to create anything you can imagine, why would you build something that already exists? A house? Houses are great, but they're limited by the constraints of reality. VR is not. It's possible someone either has or soon will come up with a VR UI that revolutionizes the way a person interacts with their system, but this ain't it.
 
2017-03-05 8:29:27 PM  
lol VRML..... wow I haven't seen that used in a long time.


/worked on VRML
//and VRML 2.0
///at MSFT 20 years ago
 
2017-03-05 8:37:27 PM  
lol....vrml
 
2017-03-05 8:38:30 PM  
Sean runs Edge as his browser.
 
2017-03-05 8:39:32 PM  

timujin: A virtual environment allows you to create anything you can imagine, why would you build something that already exists? A house? Houses are great, but they're limited by the constraints of reality. VR is not. It's possible someone either has or soon will come up with a VR UI that revolutionizes the way a person interacts with their system, but this ain't it.


Why the fark do you think Microsoft bought Minecraft for $2 Billion?
 
2017-03-05 9:03:28 PM  

Delawhat: I don't understand the point of this.


To get people to build HoloLens 3 apps without having to plunk down $3000 for HoloLens 1's dev kit?
 
2017-03-05 9:04:10 PM  
Oh good god......


"I can actually go out of the house"


Something tells me he hasn't been out of the house in quite some time.
 
2017-03-05 9:14:55 PM  

timujin: A virtual environment allows you to create anything you can imagine, why would you build something that already exists? A house? Houses are great, but they're limited by the constraints of reality. VR is not. It's possible someone either has or soon will come up with a VR UI that revolutionizes the way a person interacts with their system, but this ain't it.


This isn't Virtual Reality. It's Augmented Reality. In AR, 'the house' is 'your house'.

The problem is that Windows 10 Creator's Edition has really, amazingly bad AR.  I truly do not understand why Microsoft is introducing this as an OS feature when most people's PCs are not powerful enough, and the sensor array industry has not consumerized a sufficiently good depth camera.
 
2017-03-05 9:25:53 PM  
I was expecting to go around a corner and get another STD from clippy. Er, my FIRST std. From clippy.
 
2017-03-05 9:34:01 PM  
Looks like a sh*tty Second Life mod.
 
2017-03-05 9:39:13 PM  
[High speed flicker/photosensitive epilepsy warning]

This is obligatory methinks:

Windows RG (Really Good Edition)
Youtube YbEYOaO9kp4
 
2017-03-05 9:47:17 PM  
Unironic use of 20 year old demo graphics coupled with bootlicking. Yay.
 
2017-03-05 9:48:50 PM  
That was horrible.

thrasherrr: timujin: A virtual environment allows you to create anything you can imagine, why would you build something that already exists? A house? Houses are great, but they're limited by the constraints of reality. VR is not. It's possible someone either has or soon will come up with a VR UI that revolutionizes the way a person interacts with their system, but this ain't it.

This isn't Virtual Reality. It's Augmented Reality. In AR, 'the house' is 'your house'.

The problem is that Windows 10 Creator's Edition has really, amazingly bad AR.  I truly do not understand why Microsoft is introducing this as an OS feature when most people's PCs are not powerful enough, and the sensor array industry has not consumerized a sufficiently good depth camera.


Came across a post on Steam today about a person wondering why their computer always crashed.  Person has a PC with a core2duo 3ghz, 2gb of ram, Windows 8 32bit, and an 8gb Nvidia GTX 1080.  One of those things does not belong with the rest....

Point is, most end-users don't know how to properly set up a computer or what hardware to buy to properly upgrade their system to even make use of the high end features.

For the lulz, here is that person's full part list
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LYWdgL
 
2017-03-05 9:48:52 PM  

thrasherrr: timujin: A virtual environment allows you to create anything you can imagine, why would you build something that already exists? A house? Houses are great, but they're limited by the constraints of reality. VR is not. It's possible someone either has or soon will come up with a VR UI that revolutionizes the way a person interacts with their system, but this ain't it.

This isn't Virtual Reality. It's Augmented Reality. In AR, 'the house' is 'your house'.

The problem is that Windows 10 Creator's Edition has really, amazingly bad AR.  I truly do not understand why Microsoft is introducing this as an OS feature when most people's PCs are not powerful enough, and the sensor array industry has not consumerized a sufficiently good depth camera.


AR? Thanks, missed that. You're right, though, this is still terrible AR.
 
2017-03-05 9:55:14 PM  

skeevy420: Came across a post on Steam today about a person wondering why their computer always crashed. Person has a PC with a core2duo 3ghz, 2gb of ram, Windows 8 32bit, and an 8gb Nvidia GTX 1080. One of those things does not belong with the rest....


I didn't follow the link, but Dell, right? Anytime you have a PC that has half the ram it should as a _hard minimum_ to be functional, odds are, it's a Dell.
 
2017-03-05 9:58:13 PM  

Moniker o' Shame: Delawhat: I don't understand the point of this.

I think it is to make doing a simple task on your computer complicated.


Apple Introduces Revolutionary New Laptop With No Keyboard
Youtube 9BnLbv6QYcA
 
2017-03-05 9:59:46 PM  
Yeah, Delrina did this in 1995.
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2017-03-05 10:02:18 PM  

skeevy420: That was horrible.thrasherrr: timujin: A virtual environment allows you to create anything you can imagine, why would you build something that already exists? A house? Houses are great, but they're limited by the constraints of reality. VR is not. It's possible someone either has or soon will come up with a VR UI that revolutionizes the way a person interacts with their system, but this ain't it.

This isn't Virtual Reality. It's Augmented Reality. In AR, 'the house' is 'your house'.

The problem is that Windows 10 Creator's Edition has really, amazingly bad AR.  I truly do not understand why Microsoft is introducing this as an OS feature when most people's PCs are not powerful enough, and the sensor array industry has not consumerized a sufficiently good depth camera.

Came across a post on Steam today about a person wondering why their computer always crashed.  Person has a PC with a core2duo 3ghz, 2gb of ram, Windows 8 32bit, and an 8gb Nvidia GTX 1080.  One of those things does not belong with the rest....

Point is, most end-users don't know how to properly set up a computer or what hardware to buy to properly upgrade their system to even make use of the high end features.

For the lulz, here is that person's full part list
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LYWdgL


Not even remotely ideal, no - but you might be kind of surprised at how well a modern video card can extend the life of some pretty damn ancient systems.  Sure you're not even getting halfass efficiency out of the setup, but when the efficiency they ARE getting is 4 or 5 times better than what they're used to it can make sense.

/mostly from poor folks like me that can't upgrade much at once - which is how I'd know.  Albeit Windows 8 and such is a step farther than I'd try it normally - it can result in a very measurable improvement
 
2017-03-05 10:02:39 PM  

Stands With A Tiny Fist: skeevy420: Came across a post on Steam today about a person wondering why their computer always crashed. Person has a PC with a core2duo 3ghz, 2gb of ram, Windows 8 32bit, and an 8gb Nvidia GTX 1080. One of those things does not belong with the rest....

I didn't follow the link, but Dell, right? Anytime you have a PC that has half the ram it should as a _hard minimum_ to be functional, odds are, it's a Dell.


I dunno, doesn't say anywhere, but it's listed as $720ish in parts with a GPU that makes up $550ish of the total.
 
2017-03-05 10:08:58 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: skeevy420: That was horrible.thrasherrr: timujin: A virtual environment allows you to create anything you can imagine, why would you build something that already exists? A house? Houses are great, but they're limited by the constraints of reality. VR is not. It's possible someone either has or soon will come up with a VR UI that revolutionizes the way a person interacts with their system, but this ain't it.

This isn't Virtual Reality. It's Augmented Reality. In AR, 'the house' is 'your house'.

The problem is that Windows 10 Creator's Edition has really, amazingly bad AR.  I truly do not understand why Microsoft is introducing this as an OS feature when most people's PCs are not powerful enough, and the sensor array industry has not consumerized a sufficiently good depth camera.

Came across a post on Steam today about a person wondering why their computer always crashed.  Person has a PC with a core2duo 3ghz, 2gb of ram, Windows 8 32bit, and an 8gb Nvidia GTX 1080.  One of those things does not belong with the rest....

Point is, most end-users don't know how to properly set up a computer or what hardware to buy to properly upgrade their system to even make use of the high end features.

For the lulz, here is that person's full part list
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LYWdgL

Not even remotely ideal, no - but you might be kind of surprised at how well a modern video card can extend the life of some pretty damn ancient systems.  Sure you're not even getting halfass efficiency out of the setup, but when the efficiency they ARE getting is 4 or 5 times better than what they're used to it can make sense.

/mostly from poor folks like me that can't upgrade much at once - which is how I'd know.  Albeit Windows 8 and such is a step farther than I'd try it normally - it can result in a very measurable improvement


I agree.  I threw an R7 260x in a core2quad 2.4ghz system and that gave it a few more years of life.  BF4 and Skyrim said NOPE, that CPU sucks ass.  I've since upgraded to a Dell T5500 (a 3.6ghz\16 thread xeon workstation), same GPU, and have much, much better performance.

I'd never consider throwing a new $550 GPU into an 8+ year old system with less about $200 in parts total.  $550 can buy a decent Skylake CPU, MB, and ram or a complete gaming system if the parts are 2nd hand (what I do because I can't afford the new stuff).
 
2017-03-05 10:34:32 PM  
"...You could browse the web while wearing your headset."

No.
 
2017-03-05 10:42:41 PM  

thrasherrr: timujin: A virtual environment allows you to create anything you can imagine, why would you build something that already exists? A house? Houses are great, but they're limited by the constraints of reality. VR is not. It's possible someone either has or soon will come up with a VR UI that revolutionizes the way a person interacts with their system, but this ain't it.

This isn't Virtual Reality. It's Augmented Reality. In AR, 'the house' is 'your house'.

The problem is that Windows 10 Creator's Edition has really, amazingly bad AR.  I truly do not understand why Microsoft is introducing this as an OS feature when most people's PCs are not powerful enough, and the sensor array industry has not consumerized a sufficiently good depth camera.


Patent protection against Apple/Google.
 
2017-03-05 10:44:49 PM  

skeevy420: Stands With A Tiny Fist: skeevy420: Came across a post on Steam today about a person wondering why their computer always crashed. Person has a PC with a core2duo 3ghz, 2gb of ram, Windows 8 32bit, and an 8gb Nvidia GTX 1080. One of those things does not belong with the rest....

I didn't follow the link, but Dell, right? Anytime you have a PC that has half the ram it should as a _hard minimum_ to be functional, odds are, it's a Dell.

I dunno, doesn't say anywhere, but it's listed as $720ish in parts with a GPU that makes up $550ish of the total.


The biggest issue is the 32-bit OS which can only address 4GB of RAM, which causes a huge  problem because the 8GB of RAM in the memory card is sucking up a good chunk of the available virtual memory addresses, which is probably causing the crashes because there might not be enough addressable memory for the OS to actually run.
 
2017-03-05 10:54:58 PM  

Mad_Radhu: skeevy420: Stands With A Tiny Fist: skeevy420: Came across a post on Steam today about a person wondering why their computer always crashed. Person has a PC with a core2duo 3ghz, 2gb of ram, Windows 8 32bit, and an 8gb Nvidia GTX 1080. One of those things does not belong with the rest....

I didn't follow the link, but Dell, right? Anytime you have a PC that has half the ram it should as a _hard minimum_ to be functional, odds are, it's a Dell.

I dunno, doesn't say anywhere, but it's listed as $720ish in parts with a GPU that makes up $550ish of the total.

The biggest issue is the 32-bit OS which can only address 4GB of RAM, which causes a huge  problem because the 8GB of RAM in the memory card is sucking up a good chunk of the available virtual memory addresses, which is probably causing the crashes because there might not be enough addressable memory for the OS to actually run.


That's basically what I replied.  First address your ram and OS situation, but since that kind of ram is so expensive, you might want to consider looking into a full on CPU upgrade.

I upgraded a very similar system in the same manner and it wasn't worth it.  64bit and 8gb of ram helped, but core2 Intel based systems (LGA775) have really started showing their ages in the past 3 years, especially with games.
 
2017-03-05 11:40:38 PM  

Nexzus: Vermal. Oh man,
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And thankfully so. A dozen mouse moments just to replace a task bar shortcut.
 
2017-03-06 12:11:20 AM  

cretinbob: Oh good god......


"I can actually go out of the house"


Something tells me he hasn't been out of the house in quite some time.


I actually felt really sad when he looked up at the blue sky and said, "Wooooooow!"

Dude, you have GOT to get out more.
 
2017-03-06 12:18:32 AM  
Using augmented reality to do things in your house that any regular computer can already do is stupid.

The purpose of augmented reality is to take your computer experience with you when you go places, not add the computer experience to places that you already have it, like your house.

Why would I want to have to roam all over my house to do things I can already do from my chair without the hassle?
 
2017-03-06 1:41:09 AM  

Mad_Radhu: skeevy420: Stands With A Tiny Fist: skeevy420: Came across a post on Steam today about a person wondering why their computer always crashed. Person has a PC with a core2duo 3ghz, 2gb of ram, Windows 8 32bit, and an 8gb Nvidia GTX 1080. One of those things does not belong with the rest....

I didn't follow the link, but Dell, right? Anytime you have a PC that has half the ram it should as a _hard minimum_ to be functional, odds are, it's a Dell.

I dunno, doesn't say anywhere, but it's listed as $720ish in parts with a GPU that makes up $550ish of the total.

The biggest issue is the 32-bit OS which can only address 4GB of RAM, which causes a huge  problem because the 8GB of RAM in the memory card is sucking up a good chunk of the available virtual memory addresses, which is probably causing the crashes because there might not be enough addressable memory for the OS to actually run.


regardless of the technical details, it's still like dropping a V8 hemi into a Chevy Pacer, leaving the wheels/brakes as stock, then wondering "Y U NO DRAG RACE GUD?"
 
2017-03-06 2:26:49 AM  

uttertosh: Mad_Radhu: skeevy420: Stands With A Tiny Fist: skeevy420: Came across a post on Steam today about a person wondering why their computer always crashed. Person has a PC with a core2duo 3ghz, 2gb of ram, Windows 8 32bit, and an 8gb Nvidia GTX 1080. One of those things does not belong with the rest....

I didn't follow the link, but Dell, right? Anytime you have a PC that has half the ram it should as a _hard minimum_ to be functional, odds are, it's a Dell.

I dunno, doesn't say anywhere, but it's listed as $720ish in parts with a GPU that makes up $550ish of the total.

The biggest issue is the 32-bit OS which can only address 4GB of RAM, which causes a huge  problem because the 8GB of RAM in the memory card is sucking up a good chunk of the available virtual memory addresses, which is probably causing the crashes because there might not be enough addressable memory for the OS to actually run.

regardless of the technical details, it's still like dropping a V8 hemi into a Chevy Pacer, leaving the wheels/brakes as stock, then wondering "Y U NO DRAG RACE GUD?"


Yeah, but running a 32-bit OS with that graphics card is like building that car in your example and then slapping a governor on the engine that only lets the car get up to 50 MPH. The worst part is that it isn't like you are paying a premium for 64-bit, so there's no logical reason to even consider it for modern hardware.
 
2017-03-06 5:27:46 AM  
Seems like a (poor) solution in search of a problem.
 
2017-03-06 7:09:56 AM  
Chomp!

Silicon Graphics. CosmoPlayer Demo: Chomp.
Youtube TuQ5lz6LVhA
 
2017-03-06 10:07:27 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Yeah, but running a 32-bit OS with that graphics card is like building that car in your example and then slapping a governor on the engine that only lets the car get up to 50 MPH. The worst part is that it isn't like you are paying a premium for 64-bit, so there's no logical reason to even consider it for modern hardware.


The fact that we're discussing 32 bit vs 64 bit in 2017 is amazing to me.  IMHO, Microsoft should have dropped 32 bit with 7, making Vista the last 32 bit Windows.  I've ran nothing but 64 bit desktop OS's since the very early 2000's....Windows and Linux...15 years later, they shouldn't exist.  They don't do anything better and all they really do is cause consumer confusion.

I rofl when I see the opposite of the specs posted earlier -- really, really high end system, you know, i7 K skylake or 5830K, 16+gb of ddr4, 1tb ssd, some $1000 GPU, & 32bit Windows.  I'm like, Really?  REALLY?  That's like buying a 500hp Corvette with the stick shift rigged to only go in first gear and reverse.

How's that new Corvette?
farking awesome, accelerates to 45mph in a second. Stops on a dime.  Handles great.
So what's its top speed?
45mph....
 
2017-03-06 10:23:40 AM  

skeevy420: Mad_Radhu: Yeah, but running a 32-bit OS with that graphics card is like building that car in your example and then slapping a governor on the engine that only lets the car get up to 50 MPH. The worst part is that it isn't like you are paying a premium for 64-bit, so there's no logical reason to even consider it for modern hardware.

The fact that we're discussing 32 bit vs 64 bit in 2017 is amazing to me.  IMHO, Microsoft should have dropped 32 bit with 7, making Vista the last 32 bit Windows.  I've ran nothing but 64 bit desktop OS's since the very early 2000's....Windows and Linux...15 years later, they shouldn't exist.  They don't do anything better and all they really do is cause consumer confusion.

I rofl when I see the opposite of the specs posted earlier -- really, really high end system, you know, i7 K skylake or 5830K, 16+gb of ddr4, 1tb ssd, some $1000 GPU, & 32bit Windows.  I'm like, Really?  REALLY?  That's like buying a 500hp Corvette with the stick shift rigged to only go in first gear and reverse.

How's that new Corvette?
farking awesome, accelerates to 45mph in a second. Stops on a dime.  Handles great.
So what's its top speed?
45mph....


I think the big reason Microsoft has kept the 32-bit version are that they wanted to maintain backwards compatibility with older hardware. It would have hurt the install base and caused a huge uproar in the press if they just abandoned Core Duo systems and older when 7 came out. You'd hear no end to the biatching about Microsoft forcing people to buy new hardware. Also, with the way they optimized Win 8 and 10 to run well on lower-spec hardware, it would have been a shame to leave that older hardware out in the cold.

On top of that, you also had the issue of Intel still producing 32-bit Atoms up until a few years ago. You still needed a version of Windows to run on those computers.
 
2017-03-06 10:52:17 AM  

Mad_Radhu: I think the big reason Microsoft has kept the 32-bit version are that they wanted to maintain backwards compatibility with older hardware. It would have hurt the install base and caused a huge uproar in the press if they just abandoned Core Duo systems and older when 7 came out. You'd hear no end to the biatching about Microsoft forcing people to buy new hardware. Also, with the way they optimized Win 8 and 10 to run well on lower-spec hardware, it would have been a shame to leave that older hardware out in the cold.

On top of that, you also had the issue of Intel still producing 32-bit Atoms up until a few years ago. You still needed a version of Windows to run on those computers.


Was Core Duo 32 bit only?  I know I ran 64 bit on Core2Quad.  Probably doesn't help that I had a 64 bit AMD Athlon in the early 2000s and didn't switch to Intel until around 2009 (not a fanboy, I buy what's cheapest...and a free C2Q...couldn't pass).  Current system is upgrade gear from my last system and parts from eBay.  Gotta get a new GPU.  Probably going to get a Polaris or an RX 480 depending on how much their prices drop...I buy AMD GPUs because they're less of a pain of the ass on Linux....I'd buy Nvidia if I was Windows only.

I did notice the performance gains on 8 and 10, but Windows should have been smart enough to detect if the system's CPU was 32 or 64 bit and install/upgrade accordingly.  Plenty of 64 bit capable people went from XP to Vista and beyond and never went from 32 to 64.  It's a combination of user ignorance and Microsoft's greed.

I never understood the Atoms.  Outside of being low powered, they weren't good and only really useful for Android, Chromebooks, and other lightweight systems (which ARM does just fine).  At least the new Atoms are 64 bit.
 
2017-03-06 11:00:18 AM  

skeevy420: Mad_Radhu: I think the big reason Microsoft has kept the 32-bit version are that they wanted to maintain backwards compatibility with older hardware. It would have hurt the install base and caused a huge uproar in the press if they just abandoned Core Duo systems and older when 7 came out. You'd hear no end to the biatching about Microsoft forcing people to buy new hardware. Also, with the way they optimized Win 8 and 10 to run well on lower-spec hardware, it would have been a shame to leave that older hardware out in the cold.

On top of that, you also had the issue of Intel still producing 32-bit Atoms up until a few years ago. You still needed a version of Windows to run on those computers.

Was Core Duo 32 bit only?  I know I ran 64 bit on Core2Quad.  Probably doesn't help that I had a 64 bit AMD Athlon in the early 2000s and didn't switch to Intel until around 2009 (not a fanboy, I buy what's cheapest...and a free C2Q...couldn't pass).  Current system is upgrade gear from my last system and parts from eBay.  Gotta get a new GPU.  Probably going to get a Polaris or an RX 480 depending on how much their prices drop...I buy AMD GPUs because they're less of a pain of the ass on Linux....I'd buy Nvidia if I was Windows only.

I did notice the performance gains on 8 and 10, but Windows should have been smart enough to detect if the system's CPU was 32 or 64 bit and install/upgrade accordingly.  Plenty of 64 bit capable people went from XP to Vista and beyond and never went from 32 to 64.  It's a combination of user ignorance and Microsoft's greed.

I never understood the Atoms.  Outside of being low powered, they weren't good and only really useful for Android, Chromebooks, and other lightweight systems (which ARM does just fine).  At least the new Atoms are 64 bit.


Yeah, introducing 64-bit was one of the biggest changes with the Core 2 Duos.

As far as Atoms go, what really kills them in Windows isn't the CPU performance but being paired with eMMC storage instead of proper SSDs. That one thing is what really caused the Surface 3 to flop. It was almost as much as a low end Surface Pro 3/4, but it ran noticeably slower due to the slow storage. Just updating Windows was painfully slow.
 
2017-03-06 11:14:02 AM  

Mad_Radhu: As far as Atoms go, what really kills them in Windows isn't the CPU performance but being paired with eMMC storage instead of proper SSDs. That one thing is what really caused the Surface 3 to flop. It was almost as much as a low end Surface Pro 3/4, but it ran noticeably slower due to the slow storage. Just updating Windows was painfully slow.


That makes sense.  I suppose it also didn't help (that I've read) that they came with a good portion of that storage used up by the OS and a restore partition, leaving a lot of user storage on a USB stick or sd card, which we all know are known for their amazingly fast speeds.  What little bit of time I've had on Windows netbooks gave me the impression of "I just need more than what this offers"....ditto with Chromebooks.  I would like a Surface Pro 3 or 4.  Those look like pretty decent performers.
 
2017-03-06 11:18:05 AM  

thrasherrr: timujin: A virtual environment allows you to create anything you can imagine, why would you build something that already exists? A house? Houses are great, but they're limited by the constraints of reality. VR is not. It's possible someone either has or soon will come up with a VR UI that revolutionizes the way a person interacts with their system, but this ain't it.

This isn't Virtual Reality. It's Augmented Reality. In AR, 'the house' is 'your house'.

The problem is that Windows 10 Creator's Edition has really, amazingly bad AR.  I truly do not understand why Microsoft is introducing this as an OS feature when most people's PCs are not powerful enough, and the sensor array industry has not consumerized a sufficiently good depth camera.


Yes and no... That's the intent anyway, but this AR is just VR - it's using a default house layout and you don't walk around in reality, you use the WASD keys to walk around within the VR house. Mind you, this is just the developer's kit for creating in-AR stuff, but it still looks terrible.
It'd be like releasing a new developer's edition of Windows 11 with Unity built in, but having the GUI look like Win 95. Sure, devs can use it, and the shiatty GUI isn't the point, but considering that this is the public's first look at your new system, you're setting yourself up for market failure.
 
2017-03-06 11:19:18 AM  
In what way is that mixed reality? Looked like the whole house was VR.
 
2017-03-06 11:21:34 AM  

cretinbob: timujin: A virtual environment allows you to create anything you can imagine, why would you build something that already exists? A house? Houses are great, but they're limited by the constraints of reality. VR is not. It's possible someone either has or soon will come up with a VR UI that revolutionizes the way a person interacts with their system, but this ain't it.

Why the fark do you think Microsoft bought Minecraft for $2 Billion?


Because Minecraft will easily make $2Bn in profit. And they had cracked the console/PC cross platform gaming nut and MS wanted to make sure Sony didn't get it.
 
2017-03-06 11:29:21 AM  

skeevy420: Mad_Radhu: Yeah, but running a 32-bit OS with that graphics card is like building that car in your example and then slapping a governor on the engine that only lets the car get up to 50 MPH. The worst part is that it isn't like you are paying a premium for 64-bit, so there's no logical reason to even consider it for modern hardware.

The fact that we're discussing 32 bit vs 64 bit in 2017 is amazing to me.  IMHO, Microsoft should have dropped 32 bit with 7, making Vista the last 32 bit Windows.  I've ran nothing but 64 bit desktop OS's since the very early 2000's....Windows and Linux...15 years later, they shouldn't exist.  They don't do anything better and all they really do is cause consumer confusion.


Once you get a job in the grown up world, you'll find that large enterprises (Microsoft's actual customers) use a lot of 10+ year old software, most of which will not run on a 64bit OS. Same reason why IE is still around. And why compatability mode exists.
 
2017-03-06 11:34:02 AM  

Bullseyed: In what way is that mixed reality? Looked like the whole house was VR.


Pretend that rather than just wearing a headset with displays, there are also stereographic cameras in the front of it, and those shiatty VR walls are your walls... or at worst, are shiatty VR walls overlaid on your walls.

That's the intent, anyway... you look at your coffee table and couch and see them, but also see Minecraft superimposed on top of them:
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But, this certainly looks a lot more like 3D Bob:
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