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(Think Progress)   At her confirmation hearing, Secretary of Education nominee Betsy DeVos said we need guns in school to protect us from grizzly bears. Stephen Colbert nods in approval   (thinkprogress.org) divider line
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2017-01-17 11:43:06 PM  
32 votes:
On the list of things that should disqualify her from being Education Secretary this wouldn't even make it onto the first page.
 
2017-01-18 12:34:27 AM  
26 votes:
Franken hits her with an easy question if she's prepared.  She's not.  About 1:30 in.

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2017-01-18 1:57:11 AM  
19 votes:
This entire hearing was a travesty. She is so far out of her depth it's unbelievable. Oh and here's a little something to keep you up at night: she's Erik Prince's sister. Yes, the same Erik Prince who went to ground after Blackwater got caught doing all sorts of nasty shiat in Iraq. He's back as an "adviser" to Trump.

Anyhow, Franken, Kaine, Warren and Sanders went in pretty hard on her, but she kept grinning and bullshiatting enough that she'll get confirmed. A woman that doesn't believe that all schools receiving federal funding should have to equally abide by civil rights laws is going to be the next SecEd.
 
2017-01-18 2:16:47 AM  
17 votes:
The Republicans on the committee even had to invent a rule to invoke on the spot to prevent more intensive questioning of the woman set to be in charge of a trillion dollar bankroll, and who has no experience in public education or banking,

They actively conspired to obfuscate the utter unfitness of this vapid woman. Just another day at the office for the GOP I suppose.
 
2017-01-18 2:53:02 AM  
12 votes:

rynthetyn: Lackofname: DeVos demonstrated multiple times just how nutty and disastrous she is.

She declined to back public, public charter and private schools from all having the same accountability standards.

And here she is derping through Al Franken's questions.

I suspect that this also means that she believes that homeschoolers can lock their kids in the basement and teach them nothing but the Bible and it's all good, since they don't get any federal money.


I took it to be even worse: that the homeschool parents can pull that shiat while  receiving federal funding and be held to a different standard than everyone else because Jesus. It's why he was trying to get her to specifically say that all schools should be held to the same civil rights standards. She refused to.
 
2017-01-18 3:08:39 AM  
10 votes:
I think a lot of Trump's cabinet picks think being a cabinet member is like being on the Board of Directors. You get sent some papers to review every so often, show up for a yearly meeting, say "I want this and that" and then head to the golf course.

She clearly had never even heard of the issue that Al Franken raised. I think she's surprised that she's expected to know these things.
 
2017-01-18 2:25:58 AM  
9 votes:

culebra: The Republicans on the committee even had to invent a rule to invoke on the spot to prevent more intensive questioning of the woman set to be in charge of a trillion dollar bankroll, and who has no experience in public education or banking,

They actively conspired to obfuscate the utter unfitness of this vapid woman. Just another day at the office for the GOP I suppose.


document it all.  at some point after the civil war, we're going to want to hold a war crimes tribunal.  if any of these assholes survive the aftermath, we'll need this evidence to use against 'em.
 
2017-01-18 1:46:58 AM  
9 votes:
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2017-01-18 12:58:48 AM  
9 votes:
How Betsy DeVos Used God and Amway to Take Over Michigan Politics

Thanks to the DeVoses, Michigan's charter schools enjoy a virtually unregulated existence. Thanks to them, too, the center of the American automotive industry and birthplace of the modern labor movement is now a right-to-work state. They've funded campaigns to elect state legislators, established advocacy organizations to lobby them, buttressed their allies and primaried those they disagree with, spending at least $100 million on political campaigns and causes over the past 20 years. "The DeVos family has been far more successful not having the governor's seat than if they had won it," says Richard Czuba, the owner of the Glengariff Group, a bipartisan polling firm in Michigan. "They have, to some degree, created a shadow state party. And it's been pretty darn effective."
 
2017-01-17 11:49:25 PM  
9 votes:
Isn't a handgun just going to piss off a grizzly?
 
2017-01-18 7:21:54 AM  
8 votes:
Two things we don't have in Canada:

1.  School-shooting epidemic.
2.  Students attacked by bears.

Two things we do have in Canada:

1.  Gun control
2.  Bears.
 
2017-01-18 2:41:58 AM  
8 votes:
She also provided no ethics paperwork regarding her finances, contributions and more. Most of it had to be dug up by the press.

She is also the 7th cabinet pick to have exceptional conflicts of interest as well as donating millions to the Trump / GOP campaigns in years past.

Funny that. How's that swamp drain going GOP'ers?
 
2017-01-18 2:15:21 AM  
8 votes:

Weaver95: culebra: This entire hearing was a travesty. She is so far out of her depth it's unbelievable. Oh and here's a little something to keep you up at night: she's Erik Prince's sister. Yes, the same Erik Prince who went to ground after Blackwater got caught doing all sorts of nasty shiat in Iraq. He's back as an "adviser" to Trump.

Anyhow, Franken, Kaine, Warren and Sanders went in pretty hard on her, but she kept grinning and bullshiatting enough that she'll get confirmed. A woman that doesn't believe that all schools receiving federal funding should have to equally abide by civil rights laws is going to be the next SecEd.

remember - the trumpers WANTED all of this.  they demanded it, insisted upon it.


Only by assembling people who truly hate the government can you ensure that it'll be completely burned to the ground.
 
2017-01-18 5:48:05 AM  
7 votes:
Well, folks - the fire sale is beginning. Things that belong to you are going to be raffled off to the highest bidder, with no consultation on your part - and they aren't even going to share the money with you.
Your tax dollars, to fund a thousand little Trump Universities that use the Bible for a textbook.
Of course, your kids will end up as drivers and gardeners for Chinese kids with actual educations - but hey - STIGGINIT!!
 
2017-01-18 12:25:17 AM  
7 votes:
Trump's Education Secretary Nominee Struggles In Hearing
Betsy DeVos, Donald Trump's nominee for education secretary, weathered an unusually contentious confirmation hearing Tuesday night, where she stumbled over several basic questions about education policy and denied she served on a board of a private foundation that donated to anti-LGBT causes, despite years of tax filings that indicated otherwise.

Betsy DeVos, Trump's Pick for Education Secretary, Won't Rule Out Defunding Public Schools
Other answers DeVos gave were less clear.
Former Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders pressed DeVos on whether she'd support tuition-free college -a central pillar of his 2016 campaign. DeVos was non-committal.
"Senator, I think that's a really interesting idea," she said, adding that "we also have to think about the fact that there's nothing in life that's truly free."
 
2017-01-18 12:12:40 AM  
7 votes:
She actually has a point. I mean, many schools have come a long way regarding defending themselves against armed intruders -- metal detectors, for example, are increasingly commonplace. But most grizzly bears would be able to pass through a metal detector without setting off any alarms, because their normal weaponry (teeth, claws) are not metallic in nature. So the school's defensive systems could be working entirely within normal parameters and a grizzly could still end up inside the school itself. This isn't even even taking into consideration any possible collaboration between the grizzly and students themselves, who might wish harm upon other students and form some sort of pact with the bear (one possible scenario being leaving a normally locked door propped for the bear's easy access). So what happens if it's lunchtime and such a grizzly breach occurs? One bear in a crowded cafeteria could inflict incalculable harm. I'm also fairly certain that most SWAT and other rapid-response units who would arrive as first responders do not regularly train in counter-grizzly tactics, which could lead to catastrophic delays in their actual entry of the building as they plan and strategize. Does anyone need to be reminded of what happened at Columbine when such delays took place? Some might argue that the fact that no such attack has ever happened is evidence that it never well, but "head in sand" is not a plan. Before 9-11, passenger planes were not viewed as weapons. Then everything changed. Do we really want to be playing catch up with this threat?
 
2017-01-18 7:28:36 AM  
6 votes:

KWess: Two things we don't have in Canada:

1.  School-shooting epidemic.
2.  Students attacked by bears.

Two things we do have in Canada:

1.  Gun control
2.  Bears.


Another thing you don't have in Canada: Donald Trump.
 
2017-01-18 3:04:25 AM  
6 votes:

culebra: There is a real potential for things to go off the rails, and fast in the way you describe. I am only holding off on connecting the dots because I don't really want to endanger my own sanity too much, but deep down I know who Trump has surrounded himself with and that what they are up to has nothing to do with anything that will increase the cohesiveness of the nation. We're in for rough times whatever the destination.


we've got an incoming president who's unstable and proud of his ignorance.  his cabinet is full of high functioning sociopaths, and his VP is a religious fanatic who's convinced that despite all evidence to the contrary that America is a christian theocratic authoritarian government.  meanwhile, SCOTUS is about to get raped, and the GOP controlled congress is about to trash every last gain the moderates and social libruls have made in the past 30 odd years.

yeah, i'm developing an interest in doomsday prepping and it came up all sudden like and outta the blue.  gee, I wonder where that impulse came from?
 
2017-01-18 2:55:31 AM  
6 votes:
I don't use this term often, but Trump is cancer. No matter what, a malignant desiccation is going to spread to every corner of the government. Even if Trump is impeached soon after inauguration, his cabinet is going to stick around. We're going to be set back so many years.
 
2017-01-18 2:53:37 AM  
6 votes:

Alphax: Has she ever seen a bear that wasn't in a zoo or circus?  I have not.


To be fair, she's never seen the inside of a public school either.
 
2017-01-18 2:44:22 AM  
6 votes:

Soup4Bonnie: Education secretary pick Betsy DeVos called bold reformer, unfit for job in divided hearing

Joseph Lieberman, the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2000, introduced DeVos on Tuesday and vouched for her leadership, arguing that her status as an outsider is an asset.
...
GOP senators cheered DeVos' nomination, saying they hope she will champion alternatives to the nation's public schools and scale back the federal footprint in K-12 education.
...
He restricted senators to one five-minute round of questions, saying he was adhering to committee precedent and the "golden rule," treating Trump's pick as the committee treated Obama's nominees. Democrats were dismayed, arguing that the committee has never before cut off questions, and that they needed more time to examine DeVos' record.


That treacherous, mush-mouthed sack of rancid monkey spunk is still around?!
 
2017-01-18 2:06:27 AM  
6 votes:

culebra: This entire hearing was a travesty. She is so far out of her depth it's unbelievable. Oh and here's a little something to keep you up at night: she's Erik Prince's sister. Yes, the same Erik Prince who went to ground after Blackwater got caught doing all sorts of nasty shiat in Iraq. He's back as an "adviser" to Trump.

Anyhow, Franken, Kaine, Warren and Sanders went in pretty hard on her, but she kept grinning and bullshiatting enough that she'll get confirmed. A woman that doesn't believe that all schools receiving federal funding should have to equally abide by civil rights laws is going to be the next SecEd.


remember - the trumpers WANTED all of this.  they demanded it, insisted upon it.
 
2017-01-18 2:01:28 AM  
6 votes:

culebra: She is so far out of her depth it's unbelievable


Hey! Ho! Whoa! Slow down there!!  Ben Carson is coming.  You don't want to use all your unbelievables just yet.
 
2017-01-18 3:03:41 AM  
5 votes:

Lackofname: meyerkev: So if we're going to go after Devos, we should point out that charter schools don't work, and that teacher unions have never been more popular among Republicans.

Relevant


Yup.

Charter Schools basically exist when you combine unhappy parents with teachers unions.

The parents want to get their kids away from "Those kids" , and can't use geography to do it, and the Conservative Education reformers want to crush the unions.

if you just have the first, no charters.
If you just have the second... well, Vermont doesn't even have a Charter law.

Because charters aren't about education, they're about peer group selection.
 
2017-01-18 2:40:24 AM  
5 votes:
DeVos demonstrated multiple times just how nutty and disastrous she is.

She declined to back public, public charter and private schools from all having the same accountability standards.

And here she is derping through Al Franken's questions.
 
2017-01-18 3:02:12 AM  
4 votes:
Maggie Hassan also had a moment of dumbstruck silence when DeVos clearly had no idea that the Americans with Disabilities Act is a federal law that exists.

Too bad Republicans are cowards and wouldn't allow extended questioning so that the full committee could further discuss what it means to Betsy to be a Christian Warrior, and what that entails for the direction Education will take with her at the helm.
 
2017-01-18 2:56:45 AM  
4 votes:

Weaver95: culebra: The Republicans on the committee even had to invent a rule to invoke on the spot to prevent more intensive questioning of the woman set to be in charge of a trillion dollar bankroll, and who has no experience in public education or banking,

They actively conspired to obfuscate the utter unfitness of this vapid woman. Just another day at the office for the GOP I suppose.

document it all.  at some point after the civil war, we're going to want to hold a war crimes tribunal.  if any of these assholes survive the aftermath, we'll need this evidence to use against 'em.


There is a real potential for things to go off the rails, and fast in the way you describe. I am only holding off on connecting the dots because I don't really want to endanger my own sanity too much, but deep down I know who Trump has surrounded himself with and that what they are up to has nothing to do with anything that will increase the cohesiveness of the nation. We're in for rough times whatever the destination.
 
2017-01-18 2:46:37 AM  
4 votes:

Lackofname: DeVos demonstrated multiple times just how nutty and disastrous she is.

She declined to back public, public charter and private schools from all having the same accountability standards.

And here she is derping through Al Franken's questions.


I suspect that this also means that she believes that homeschoolers can lock their kids in the basement and teach them nothing but the Bible and it's all good, since they don't get any federal money.
 
2017-01-18 1:36:18 AM  
4 votes:
if there are any sane conservatives left after this past election cycle, they must be appalled at what trump is doing to their movement/ideology.
 
2017-01-18 6:39:55 AM  
3 votes:

culebra: This entire hearing was a travesty. She is so far out of her depth it's unbelievable. Oh and here's a little something to keep you up at night: she's Erik Prince's sister. Yes, the same Erik Prince who went to ground after Blackwater got caught doing all sorts of nasty shiat in Iraq. He's back as an "adviser" to Trump.

Anyhow, Franken, Kaine, Warren and Sanders went in pretty hard on her, but she kept grinning and bullshiatting enough that she'll get confirmed. A woman that doesn't believe that all schools receiving federal funding should have to equally abide by civil rights laws is going to be the next SecEd.


It was depressing watching her sneer at their questions and evade a straight answer.  She has so much contempt for her opponents that it's scary.  This is the face of 'Christian' Dominionism.
 
2017-01-18 3:40:38 AM  
3 votes:

Weaver95: rynthetyn: I'm going back and forth between "buy a sail boat and equip it so I can GTFO and survive on it indefinitely" and asking what's wrong with me and why would I want to repeat the crazy that my friends' parents all fell into when Bill Clinton got elected.

I do that several times a day.  am I over reacting?  am I under reacting?  I dunno.  all I know is that I don't like anyone i've so far seen attached to the Trump administration.  they've all got massive ethical problems and/or ideologies that are extremely toxic and offensive to...um....well just about everything and everyone in this country.


I'm the same way. I keep going back and forth between knowing that my Jewish aunt is here because her parents high tailed it out of Germany early on, but at the same time remembering how irrational my friends' parents all were over Bill Clinton. I mean, I knew people who bought property in Belize, one dude started taking flying lessons because he thought he was going to fly in under radar and rescue all of us, and it was just batshiat. I wrote up a whole thing about it, and for years any time I'd hear the word "Belize" it would bring back all of that. I really do not want to repeat any of that, but at the same time I don't exactly feel safe with what's coming down the pike.
 
2017-01-18 3:14:33 AM  
3 votes:
That is one scary, detached from reality, morally certain, freaky eyed looking woman.
 
2017-01-18 12:43:23 AM  
3 votes:
Education secretary pick Betsy DeVos called bold reformer, unfit for job in divided hearing

Joseph Lieberman, the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2000, introduced DeVos on Tuesday and vouched for her leadership, arguing that her status as an outsider is an asset.
...
GOP senators cheered DeVos' nomination, saying they hope she will champion alternatives to the nation's public schools and scale back the federal footprint in K-12 education.
...
He restricted senators to one five-minute round of questions, saying he was adhering to committee precedent and the "golden rule," treating Trump's pick as the committee treated Obama's nominees. Democrats were dismayed, arguing that the committee has never before cut off questions, and that they needed more time to examine DeVos' record.
 
2017-01-18 10:42:34 AM  
2 votes:
Of all the picks and nominations Trump is going to make, including the Supreme Court.  I think Betsy DeVos is going to do the most damage to our country.
 
2017-01-18 10:09:52 AM  
2 votes:
I hate guns with a passion (former Marine, expert marksman with a rifle, sharpshooter with a pistol). I think the second amendment is outdated and bastardized (in terms of a well-regulated militia). But I have to agree with her and anybody that thinks the same. Any idiot meaning harm will bring a gun to school whether they are allowed or not. And most violent crime using guns prey on the weak - people they know are probably not armed. So if some nutjob knows nobody in school is allowed to defend themselves, what better target? Now, I have empathy for the other side of the argument - the police show up and have a bunch of people shooting at each other. Which one(s) is(are) the bad guys? How many get injured because of not being trained properly? I think that concern is nullified by the original point - a person meaning harm is less likely to go someplace where people are ready for him/her. They are too cowardly for that. Generally speaking, it makes the counterpoint moot.

We need more responsible people with guns carrying. Irresponsible ones will do it anyhow.
 
2017-01-18 8:56:12 AM  
2 votes:
Nikki Haley & a guy nicknamed Mad Dog are (possibly) the two best Trump nominees. That says it all.
 
2017-01-18 6:55:38 AM  
2 votes:
Here's a link that discusses the sinister agenda behind homeschooling.  Christian Dominionist Reconstruction ideology was controlled for decades by J Rushdoony, who aggressively promoted homeschooling as the most effective way of controlling the minds of his future followers.  People who wanted to homeschool their children for non-religious reasons have discovered that once they 'plug into' the homeschooling community, almost all of the available materials are severely religious, and secular parents are ostracized unless they pander at least a little bit to the religious agenda.
 
2017-01-18 3:15:37 AM  
2 votes:

rynthetyn: I'm going back and forth between "buy a sail boat and equip it so I can GTFO and survive on it indefinitely" and asking what's wrong with me and why would I want to repeat the crazy that my friends' parents all fell into when Bill Clinton got elected.


I do that several times a day.  am I over reacting?  am I under reacting?  I dunno.  all I know is that I don't like anyone i've so far seen attached to the Trump administration.  they've all got massive ethical problems and/or ideologies that are extremely toxic and offensive to...um....well just about everything and everyone in this country.
 
2017-01-18 3:14:43 AM  
2 votes:

phrawgh: Satanic_Hamster: And biatch?  You're a farking idiot if you think a handgun will do anything but piss a grizzly off.

Another uninformed, know nothing, anti-gun lib. Of course there are hand guns which can take out a grizzly.

[www.thefirearmblog.com image 450x321]

Crawl back in your hole, Bernie-bro. Bear free zones DO NOT WORK! Since when did bears obey the law?


Dude, if you can lift, aim, and fire that with one hand, without breaking of your own bones, I'll pay you $500.
 
2017-01-18 3:08:32 AM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: culebra: There is a real potential for things to go off the rails, and fast in the way you describe. I am only holding off on connecting the dots because I don't really want to endanger my own sanity too much, but deep down I know who Trump has surrounded himself with and that what they are up to has nothing to do with anything that will increase the cohesiveness of the nation. We're in for rough times whatever the destination.

we've got an incoming president who's unstable and proud of his ignorance.  his cabinet is full of high functioning sociopaths, and his VP is a religious fanatic who's convinced that despite all evidence to the contrary that America is a christian theocratic authoritarian government.  meanwhile, SCOTUS is about to get raped, and the GOP controlled congress is about to trash every last gain the moderates and social libruls have made in the past 30 odd years.

yeah, i'm developing an interest in doomsday prepping and it came up all sudden like and outta the blue.  gee, I wonder where that impulse came from?


I'm going back and forth between "buy a sail boat and equip it so I can GTFO and survive on it indefinitely" and asking what's wrong with me and why would I want to repeat the crazy that my friends' parents all fell into when Bill Clinton got elected.
 
2017-01-18 3:02:28 AM  
2 votes:
As an Alaskan I don't know whether to laugh, or facepalm.

Both, then.  Hahammmph.
 
2017-01-18 3:01:45 AM  
2 votes:

insertsnarkyusername: Well certain far north towns in Canada and Alaska might want to keep a few for when the starving polar bears come to town.


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Polar bears? If you are worried about them, then you should look into the kind they already have up in Alaska.

\Kodiak is wider and of course heavier too
\\Gygax didn't need to make up the Dire Bear, they are real
 
2017-01-18 3:01:08 AM  
2 votes:

culebra: rynthetyn: Lackofname: DeVos demonstrated multiple times just how nutty and disastrous she is.

She declined to back public, public charter and private schools from all having the same accountability standards.

And here she is derping through Al Franken's questions.

I suspect that this also means that she believes that homeschoolers can lock their kids in the basement and teach them nothing but the Bible and it's all good, since they don't get any federal money.

I took it to be even worse: that the homeschool parents can pull that shiat while  receiving federal funding and be held to a different standard than everyone else because Jesus. It's why he was trying to get her to specifically say that all schools should be held to the same civil rights standards. She refused to.


That's entirely possible too, though the homeschool lobby traditionally freaks the fark out over any homeschoolers taking even a penny of taxpayer money because that means they might have to follow some sort of standard. The big national homeschool lobbying org even fights against homeschool sports participation in public school athletics, because even the blessed virgin Tim Tebow isn't proof enough that somebody somewhere might use sports participation to make sure you teach your kid something.
 
2017-01-18 12:32:18 AM  
2 votes:
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2017-01-18 12:10:15 AM  
2 votes:
I know Jesus freaks like DeVos get paranoid about teh gheys, but hairy heavy homosexuals aren't the first dangers I associate with a day at school.

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/yeah I know he was straight.
 
2017-01-17 11:47:32 PM  
2 votes:
Who was it back in the day that countered the "large magazines + semi automatic assault rifle aren't useful for anything more than killing lots of humans" argument with "are you crazy? Have you ever tried hunting feral hogs without one?!"

Basically, if you can find one semi legit reason for a gun (you may have to squint),  you've just destroyed any argument against you.
 
2017-01-18 12:27:27 PM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: Farkomatic: I hate guns with a passion (former Marine, expert marksman with a rifle, sharpshooter with a pistol). I think the second amendment is outdated and bastardized (in terms of a well-regulated militia). But I have to agree with her and anybody that thinks the same. Any idiot meaning harm will bring a gun to school whether they are allowed or not. And most violent crime using guns prey on the weak - people they know are probably not armed. So if some nutjob knows nobody in school is allowed to defend themselves, what better target? Now, I have empathy for the other side of the argument - the police show up and have a bunch of people shooting at each other. Which one(s) is(are) the bad guys? How many get injured because of not being trained properly? I think that concern is nullified by the original point - a person meaning harm is less likely to go someplace where people are ready for him/her. They are too cowardly for that. Generally speaking, it makes the counterpoint moot.

We need more responsible people with guns carrying. Irresponsible ones will do it anyhow.

A past statement by farkomatic, "saddam was right to gas the kurds".


It should have said you are an idiot because I never said or suggested that. I have no idea of which statement you are referring to, but I've been consistent enough to know that the context was in regards to "Saddam gassing his own people". As if he dropped WMD in downtown Baghdad. The Kurds were an opposition force (from his standpoint) who teamed up with Iran - who Iraq was at war with. We sided with Iraq. Saddam gassed the Kurds with the Iraqi fighters he was gassing also. Nowhere did I say this is right because it is abhorrent. As abhorrent as the United States of America setting hundreds of thousands of people on fire by nuking 2 cities in Japan. But this is war. In World War I, it was mustard gas. There has always been and will always be WMD. I'm not going to bother looking up the statement you are referring to because I don't have to. I feel dumber already having to interact with a fool such as yourself who doesn't have simple comprehension skills. And to make it worse, this is your response to the point I made regarding this subject? Not to get too personal, but have you considered getting a CAT scan or were you always this stupid?
 
2017-01-18 12:16:46 PM  
1 vote:

washington-babylon: Farkomatic: I hate guns with a passion (former Marine, expert marksman with a rifle, sharpshooter with a pistol). I think the second amendment is outdated and bastardized (in terms of a well-regulated militia). But I have to agree with her and anybody that thinks the same. Any idiot meaning harm will bring a gun to school whether they are allowed or not. And most violent crime using guns prey on the weak - people they know are probably not armed. So if some nutjob knows nobody in school is allowed to defend themselves, what better target? Now, I have empathy for the other side of the argument - the police show up and have a bunch of people shooting at each other. Which one(s) is(are) the bad guys? How many get injured because of not being trained properly? I think that concern is nullified by the original point - a person meaning harm is less likely to go someplace where people are ready for him/her. They are too cowardly for that. Generally speaking, it makes the counterpoint moot.

We need more responsible people with guns carrying. Irresponsible ones will do it anyhow.

Holy crap, unicorns do exist. Someone who personally hates guns, but actually understands how reality works? I didn't think that was possible, and on fark no less. Have you considered running for a public office?


No, there is nothing reasonable about saying that the active shooters in schools would be deterred from their already suicidal attempt by the existence of guns in schools.  At best one could argue you might deter them in choice of target only, so they go shoot up a park instead of a school.  In which case, you succeeded at saving zero lives, but did increase casualties due to gun accidents as a by-product of stocking your schools with weapons. So now of course you'll call for arming everyone everywhere, because obviously merely forcing people to shoot up location X instead of Y doesn't do much.  If everywhere is armed, and the shooter is suicidal (and yes, most active shooters know they aren't making it out alive, and indeed don't even attempt anything close to a hit and run approach), then now he right back to shooting up the school.

And you are going to need weapons all through the school, or else you merely create a target point for the start. If the guns are in the principal's office, you start by going straight to him.  No one is going to maintain a level of high vigilance in the school on a daily basis, so that first target is pretty much guaranteed to go down. So now you need guns all over the school. If they are to be any good against an active shooter, they need to be accessible quickly, so we are talking armed teachers.

What could go wrong? Everything. What would go right? Very little.  To be frank, I could really give a fark one way or another whether a school wants to allow guns or not, but anyone who thinks throwing a dozen armed people in plain clothes into an active shooter environment is going to solve a thing is living in a fantasy world.

It is a terrible idea overall, something on par with those who claimed more people should have been armed in the Aurora theater.

/gun owner
 
2017-01-18 10:38:12 AM  
1 vote:

Farkomatic: I hate guns with a passion (former Marine, expert marksman with a rifle, sharpshooter with a pistol). I think the second amendment is outdated and bastardized (in terms of a well-regulated militia). But I have to agree with her and anybody that thinks the same. Any idiot meaning harm will bring a gun to school whether they are allowed or not. And most violent crime using guns prey on the weak - people they know are probably not armed. So if some nutjob knows nobody in school is allowed to defend themselves, what better target? Now, I have empathy for the other side of the argument - the police show up and have a bunch of people shooting at each other. Which one(s) is(are) the bad guys? How many get injured because of not being trained properly? I think that concern is nullified by the original point - a person meaning harm is less likely to go someplace where people are ready for him/her. They are too cowardly for that. Generally speaking, it makes the counterpoint moot.

We need more responsible people with guns carrying. Irresponsible ones will do it anyhow.


A past statement by farkomatic, "saddam was right to gas the kurds".
 
2017-01-18 10:10:58 AM  
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This thread is why I like fark. Sure, the bear stuff is goofballs, but the thread has dozens of substantive links as well.

I often feel I get more out of one thread like this than a day's listening to npr.
 
2017-01-18 9:55:37 AM  
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Being an outsider is "one of the most important qualifications" DeVos could have?  I'm not a doctor, but as an outsider I'd bring a fresh perspective to performing brain surgery. Step right up. I'll scrub up and get started on you.
 
2017-01-18 9:52:54 AM  
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DeVos's testimony was so surprisingly appalling I had to laugh. Guns in schools because of grizzly bears. Completely unaware of critical issues in education. And, of course, a complete lack of shame or even embarrassment for her ludicrous deficiencies.

Guns in schools  because of grizzly bears. I'd be tempted to say that's the stupidest thing I'd ever heard in the political sphere but there's the beloved memory of the pyramids use as grain storage.

The implications of the grizzly bear issue aren't completely obvious. These bears out there have lost their fear of masses of people., Worse, they can work complicated mechanical devices previously out of their reach. Like door knobs. Someone out in Wyoming is breeding super-grizzly bears and training them. And worse. The adults in Wyoming have abandoned their responsibilities to the children in their care.
 
2017-01-18 9:52:52 AM  
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Soup4Bonnie: Franken hits her with an easy question if she's prepared.  She's not.  About 1:30 in.

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I wish I had an Al Franken.
 
2017-01-18 8:01:35 AM  
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Astorix: jso2897: Well, folks - the fire sale is beginning. Things that belong to you are going to be raffled off to the highest bidder, with no consultation on your part - and they aren't even going to share the money with you.
Your tax dollars, to fund a thousand little Trump Universities that use the Bible for a textbook.
Of course, your kids will end up as drivers and gardeners for Chinese kids with actual educations - but hey - STIGGINIT!!

and Indian kids, Iranian kids and Brazilian kids and Western European kids, etc. Whereever there is value placed on a good education. I am seeing the US sow the seeds for its collapse into Somalia. And it will happen in breathtakingly short time unless we put a stop to it.


We missed that boat back in November.  There won't be anything left to save in 2020.
 
2017-01-18 7:55:29 AM  
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/01/18/six-as​t​onishing-things-betsy-devos-said-and-refused-to-say-at-her-confirmatio​n-hearing/

" Kaine: "If confirmed will you insist upon equal accountability in any K-12 school or educational program that receives taxpayer funding whether public, public charter or private?"
DeVos: "I support accountability."
Kaine: "Equal accountability?"
DeVos: "I support accountability."
Kaine: "Is that a yes or a no?"
DeVos: "I support accountability."
Kaine: "Do you not want to answer my question?"
DeVos: "I support accountability." "
 
2017-01-18 6:03:32 AM  
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rynthetyn: Weaver95: rynthetyn: I'm going back and forth between "buy a sail boat and equip it so I can GTFO and survive on it indefinitely" and asking what's wrong with me and why would I want to repeat the crazy that my friends' parents all fell into when Bill Clinton got elected.

I do that several times a day.  am I over reacting?  am I under reacting?  I dunno.  all I know is that I don't like anyone i've so far seen attached to the Trump administration.  they've all got massive ethical problems and/or ideologies that are extremely toxic and offensive to...um....well just about everything and everyone in this country.

I'm the same way. I keep going back and forth between knowing that my Jewish aunt is here because her parents high tailed it out of Germany early on, but at the same time remembering how irrational my friends' parents all were over Bill Clinton. I mean, I knew people who bought property in Belize, one dude started taking flying lessons because he thought he was going to fly in under radar and rescue all of us, and it was just batshiat. I wrote up a whole thing about it, and for years any time I'd hear the word "Belize" it would bring back all of that. I really do not want to repeat any of that, but at the same time I don't exactly feel safe with what's coming down the pike.


I think now it's a very real fear because Donald Trump has said explicitly it's okay to make war on people he hates.
 
2017-01-18 6:00:00 AM  
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jso2897: Well, folks - the fire sale is beginning. Things that belong to you are going to be raffled off to the highest bidder, with no consultation on your part - and they aren't even going to share the money with you.
Your tax dollars, to fund a thousand little Trump Universities that use the Bible for a textbook.
Of course, your kids will end up as drivers and gardeners for Chinese kids with actual educations - but hey - STIGGINIT!!


and Indian kids, Iranian kids and Brazilian kids and Western European kids, etc. Whereever there is value placed on a good education. I am seeing the US sow the seeds for its collapse into Somalia. And it will happen in breathtakingly short time unless we put a stop to it.
 
2017-01-18 4:45:02 AM  
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I have an aunt, very conservative, who used to teach early grade school in central Missouri.  And she was rather horrified at the idea of arming teachers that they floated a few years back.  Worst idea ever.
 
2017-01-18 4:23:01 AM  
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What
the
ACTUAL
FARK?!

It's officially a clown show.  Officially now.  How does this even remotely pass as logical?
 
2017-01-18 4:21:44 AM  
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gozar_the_destroyer: insertsnarkyusername: Well certain far north towns in Canada and Alaska might want to keep a few for when the starving polar bears come to town.

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Polar bears? If you are worried about them, then you should look into the kind they already have up in Alaska.

\Kodiak is wider and of course heavier too
\\Gygax didn't need to make up the Dire Bear, they are real


There is a difference other than size though.  Polar bears are far closer to being a pure carnivore than other bears.  To a polar bear a human is just another prey animal.
 
2017-01-18 3:23:14 AM  
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Apparently she also said that Trump committed sexual assault by grabbing woman by the pussies.
 
2017-01-18 3:21:01 AM  
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phrawgh: Satanic_Hamster: And biatch?  You're a farking idiot if you think a handgun will do anything but piss a grizzly off.

Another uninformed, know nothing, anti-gun lib. Of course there are hand guns which can take out a grizzly.

[www.thefirearmblog.com image 450x321]

Crawl back in your hole, Bernie-bro. Bear free zones DO NOT WORK! Since when did bears obey the law?


...as a gun owning and carrying for a living liberal I can't let this go on any longer. I get that bears are huge creatures but ignoring the fact that. 50 cal handguns exist...

Do you really think that . 45 hollow point few shots to the head is only gonna make a grizzly mad?

As oppose to I dunno...destroy it's brain stem to the point it's not breathing.

Also this woman's nomination makes me weep for this country.
 
2017-01-18 2:59:19 AM  
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I liked Devos back when they wore funny hats and sang about whips.
 
2017-01-18 2:57:48 AM  
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So if we're going to go after Devos, we should point out that charter schools don't work, and that teacher unions have never been more popular among Republicans.
 
2017-01-18 2:55:36 AM  
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rynthetyn: Lackofname: DeVos demonstrated multiple times just how nutty and disastrous she is.

She declined to back public, public charter and private schools from all having the same accountability standards.

And here she is derping through Al Franken's questions.

I suspect that this also means that she believes that homeschoolers can lock their kids in the basement and teach them nothing but the Bible and it's all good, since they don't get any federal money.


I am beginning to doubt that the public education would have had its intended effect anyway: these people elected Trump. At this point, trying to educate their spawn would just be throwing away good money.

//Mostly kidding
//Mostly...
 
2017-01-18 2:55:19 AM  
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Satanic_Hamster: And biatch?  You're a farking idiot if you think a handgun will do anything but piss a grizzly off.


Another uninformed, know nothing, anti-gun lib. Of course there are hand guns which can take out a grizzly.

thefirearmblog.comView Full Size


Crawl back in your hole, Bernie-bro. Bear free zones DO NOT WORK! Since when did bears obey the law?
 
2017-01-18 2:54:14 AM  
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Well certain far north towns in Canada and Alaska might want to keep a few for when the starving polar bears come to town.
 
2017-01-18 2:53:33 AM  
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Weaver95: culebra: The Republicans on the committee even had to invent a rule to invoke on the spot to prevent more intensive questioning of the woman set to be in charge of a trillion dollar bankroll, and who has no experience in public education or banking,

They actively conspired to obfuscate the utter unfitness of this vapid woman. Just another day at the office for the GOP I suppose.

document it all.  at some point after the civil war, we're going to want to hold a war crimes tribunal.  if any of these assholes survive the aftermath, we'll need this evidence to use against 'em.


Considering that most of them have drank the kool aide and worship their own hype, not a bad idea. Who wants to take bets on whether the rest die resisting capture or take the coward's way out? Third option for taken out by a member of their own party. All ends have separate pools and only one bet between all pools per wacko!

\place yer bets!
 
2017-01-18 2:44:56 AM  
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phimuskapsi: She also provided no ethics paperwork regarding her finances, contributions and more. Most of it had to be dug up by the press.

She is also the 7th cabinet pick to have exceptional conflicts of interest as well as donating millions to the Trump / GOP campaigns in years past.

Funny that. How's that swamp drain going GOP'ers?


Naked corruption, and the GOP will confirm her.
 
2017-01-18 2:36:34 AM  
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Surely subby is just....  Son of a biatch.

Hey crazy biatch, please name three instances of when a bear has been a problem at a school.  I imagine in Alaska, but they have people for that.

And biatch?  You're a farking idiot if you think a handgun will do anything but piss a grizzly off.
 
2017-01-18 2:36:21 AM  
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Pocket Ninja: She actually has a point. I mean, many schools have come a long way regarding defending themselves against armed intruders -- metal detectors, for example, are increasingly commonplace. But most grizzly bears would be able to pass through a metal detector without setting off any alarms, because their normal weaponry (teeth, claws) are not metallic in nature. So the school's defensive systems could be working entirely within normal parameters and a grizzly could still end up inside the school itself. This isn't even even taking into consideration any possible collaboration between the grizzly and students themselves, who might wish harm upon other students and form some sort of pact with the bear (one possible scenario being leaving a normally locked door propped for the bear's easy access). So what happens if it's lunchtime and such a grizzly breach occurs? One bear in a crowded cafeteria could inflict incalculable harm. I'm also fairly certain that most SWAT and other rapid-response units who would arrive as first responders do not regularly train in counter-grizzly tactics, which could lead to catastrophic delays in their actual entry of the building as they plan and strategize. Does anyone need to be reminded of what happened at Columbine when such delays took place? Some might argue that the fact that no such attack has ever happened is evidence that it never well, but "head in sand" is not a plan. Before 9-11, passenger planes were not viewed as weapons. Then everything changed. Do we really want to be playing catch up with this threat?


My school made people sign in at the entrance.  That system was 100% bearproof: they can't sign anything with those big furry paws.
 
2017-01-18 1:29:39 AM  
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Betsy, how can I tell that you were raised up in Yankeeland?

Everyone knows that the best protection against bears isn't guns, but being charitable and cautious, and carrying a couple of jugs of honeydew vine water...


God's Own Drunk (Live) (1978 Version)
Youtube MBoQkq-6e2w


/NSFW lyrics
 
2017-01-18 12:09:13 AM  
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She didn't seriously say that, did she?

(RTFA)

She DID!?!

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2017-01-18 12:06:05 AM  
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2017-01-18 12:04:26 AM  
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fusillade762: On the list of things that should disqualify her from being Education Secretary this wouldn't even make it onto the first page.


Page? Don't you mean Volume?
 
2017-01-17 11:50:14 PM  
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So that teachin' lady tells me the only 3 letters I need are U, S, and A.
 
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