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2017-01-17 11:43:06 PM  
On the list of things that should disqualify her from being Education Secretary this wouldn't even make it onto the first page.
 
2017-01-17 11:47:32 PM  
Who was it back in the day that countered the "large magazines + semi automatic assault rifle aren't useful for anything more than killing lots of humans" argument with "are you crazy? Have you ever tried hunting feral hogs without one?!"

Basically, if you can find one semi legit reason for a gun (you may have to squint),  you've just destroyed any argument against you.
 
2017-01-17 11:49:25 PM  
Isn't a handgun just going to piss off a grizzly?
 
2017-01-17 11:50:02 PM  
Yeah... better headline.
 
2017-01-17 11:50:14 PM  
So that teachin' lady tells me the only 3 letters I need are U, S, and A.
 
2017-01-18 12:04:26 AM  

fusillade762: On the list of things that should disqualify her from being Education Secretary this wouldn't even make it onto the first page.


Page? Don't you mean Volume?
 
2017-01-18 12:06:05 AM  
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2017-01-18 12:06:41 AM  
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2017-01-18 12:09:13 AM  
She didn't seriously say that, did she?

(RTFA)

She DID!?!

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2017-01-18 12:10:15 AM  
I know Jesus freaks like DeVos get paranoid about teh gheys, but hairy heavy homosexuals aren't the first dangers I associate with a day at school.

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/yeah I know he was straight.
 
2017-01-18 12:12:40 AM  
She actually has a point. I mean, many schools have come a long way regarding defending themselves against armed intruders -- metal detectors, for example, are increasingly commonplace. But most grizzly bears would be able to pass through a metal detector without setting off any alarms, because their normal weaponry (teeth, claws) are not metallic in nature. So the school's defensive systems could be working entirely within normal parameters and a grizzly could still end up inside the school itself. This isn't even even taking into consideration any possible collaboration between the grizzly and students themselves, who might wish harm upon other students and form some sort of pact with the bear (one possible scenario being leaving a normally locked door propped for the bear's easy access). So what happens if it's lunchtime and such a grizzly breach occurs? One bear in a crowded cafeteria could inflict incalculable harm. I'm also fairly certain that most SWAT and other rapid-response units who would arrive as first responders do not regularly train in counter-grizzly tactics, which could lead to catastrophic delays in their actual entry of the building as they plan and strategize. Does anyone need to be reminded of what happened at Columbine when such delays took place? Some might argue that the fact that no such attack has ever happened is evidence that it never well, but "head in sand" is not a plan. Before 9-11, passenger planes were not viewed as weapons. Then everything changed. Do we really want to be playing catch up with this threat?
 
2017-01-18 12:17:58 AM  
How about .50 cals on the rooftops?
 
2017-01-18 12:23:11 AM  

ralphjr: [img.fark.net image 300x225]


Let the bears pay the bear tax. I pay the Homer tax.
 
2017-01-18 12:24:25 AM  

Pocket Ninja: She actually has a point. I mean, many schools have come a long way regarding defending themselves against armed intruders -- metal detectors, for example, are increasingly commonplace. But most grizzly bears would be able to pass through a metal detector without setting off any alarms, because their normal weaponry (teeth, claws) are not metallic in nature. So the school's defensive systems could be working entirely within normal parameters and a grizzly could still end up inside the school itself. This isn't even even taking into consideration any possible collaboration between the grizzly and students themselves, who might wish harm upon other students and form some sort of pact with the bear (one possible scenario being leaving a normally locked door propped for the bear's easy access). So what happens if it's lunchtime and such a grizzly breach occurs? One bear in a crowded cafeteria could inflict incalculable harm. I'm also fairly certain that most SWAT and other rapid-response units who would arrive as first responders do not regularly train in counter-grizzly tactics, which could lead to catastrophic delays in their actual entry of the building as they plan and strategize. Does anyone need to be reminded of what happened at Columbine when such delays took place? Some might argue that the fact that no such attack has ever happened is evidence that it never well, but "head in sand" is not a plan. Before 9-11, passenger planes were not viewed as weapons. Then everything changed. Do we really want to be playing catch up with this threat?


If they would only try to talk with the bear and find out what is really troubling the bear. Won't somebody please think of the bears?
 
2017-01-18 12:25:17 AM  
Trump's Education Secretary Nominee Struggles In Hearing
Betsy DeVos, Donald Trump's nominee for education secretary, weathered an unusually contentious confirmation hearing Tuesday night, where she stumbled over several basic questions about education policy and denied she served on a board of a private foundation that donated to anti-LGBT causes, despite years of tax filings that indicated otherwise.

Betsy DeVos, Trump's Pick for Education Secretary, Won't Rule Out Defunding Public Schools
Other answers DeVos gave were less clear.
Former Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders pressed DeVos on whether she'd support tuition-free college -a central pillar of his 2016 campaign. DeVos was non-committal.
"Senator, I think that's a really interesting idea," she said, adding that "we also have to think about the fact that there's nothing in life that's truly free."
 
2017-01-18 12:32:18 AM  
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2017-01-18 12:34:27 AM  
Franken hits her with an easy question if she's prepared.  She's not.  About 1:30 in.

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2017-01-18 12:43:23 AM  
Education secretary pick Betsy DeVos called bold reformer, unfit for job in divided hearing

Joseph Lieberman, the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2000, introduced DeVos on Tuesday and vouched for her leadership, arguing that her status as an outsider is an asset.
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GOP senators cheered DeVos' nomination, saying they hope she will champion alternatives to the nation's public schools and scale back the federal footprint in K-12 education.
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He restricted senators to one five-minute round of questions, saying he was adhering to committee precedent and the "golden rule," treating Trump's pick as the committee treated Obama's nominees. Democrats were dismayed, arguing that the committee has never before cut off questions, and that they needed more time to examine DeVos' record.
 
2017-01-18 12:58:12 AM  
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2017-01-18 12:58:48 AM  
How Betsy DeVos Used God and Amway to Take Over Michigan Politics

Thanks to the DeVoses, Michigan's charter schools enjoy a virtually unregulated existence. Thanks to them, too, the center of the American automotive industry and birthplace of the modern labor movement is now a right-to-work state. They've funded campaigns to elect state legislators, established advocacy organizations to lobby them, buttressed their allies and primaried those they disagree with, spending at least $100 million on political campaigns and causes over the past 20 years. "The DeVos family has been far more successful not having the governor's seat than if they had won it," says Richard Czuba, the owner of the Glengariff Group, a bipartisan polling firm in Michigan. "They have, to some degree, created a shadow state party. And it's been pretty darn effective."
 
2017-01-18 1:00:55 AM  
Forget about the zombie apocalpse! It's the Bearmageddon http://bearmageddon.com/

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2017-01-18 1:29:39 AM  
Betsy, how can I tell that you were raised up in Yankeeland?

Everyone knows that the best protection against bears isn't guns, but being charitable and cautious, and carrying a couple of jugs of honeydew vine water...


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/NSFW lyrics
 
2017-01-18 1:36:18 AM  
if there are any sane conservatives left after this past election cycle, they must be appalled at what trump is doing to their movement/ideology.
 
2017-01-18 1:46:58 AM  
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2017-01-18 1:57:11 AM  
This entire hearing was a travesty. She is so far out of her depth it's unbelievable. Oh and here's a little something to keep you up at night: she's Erik Prince's sister. Yes, the same Erik Prince who went to ground after Blackwater got caught doing all sorts of nasty shiat in Iraq. He's back as an "adviser" to Trump.

Anyhow, Franken, Kaine, Warren and Sanders went in pretty hard on her, but she kept grinning and bullshiatting enough that she'll get confirmed. A woman that doesn't believe that all schools receiving federal funding should have to equally abide by civil rights laws is going to be the next SecEd.
 
2017-01-18 2:01:28 AM  

culebra: She is so far out of her depth it's unbelievable


Hey! Ho! Whoa! Slow down there!!  Ben Carson is coming.  You don't want to use all your unbelievables just yet.
 
2017-01-18 2:06:27 AM  

culebra: This entire hearing was a travesty. She is so far out of her depth it's unbelievable. Oh and here's a little something to keep you up at night: she's Erik Prince's sister. Yes, the same Erik Prince who went to ground after Blackwater got caught doing all sorts of nasty shiat in Iraq. He's back as an "adviser" to Trump.

Anyhow, Franken, Kaine, Warren and Sanders went in pretty hard on her, but she kept grinning and bullshiatting enough that she'll get confirmed. A woman that doesn't believe that all schools receiving federal funding should have to equally abide by civil rights laws is going to be the next SecEd.


remember - the trumpers WANTED all of this.  they demanded it, insisted upon it.
 
2017-01-18 2:15:21 AM  

Weaver95: culebra: This entire hearing was a travesty. She is so far out of her depth it's unbelievable. Oh and here's a little something to keep you up at night: she's Erik Prince's sister. Yes, the same Erik Prince who went to ground after Blackwater got caught doing all sorts of nasty shiat in Iraq. He's back as an "adviser" to Trump.

Anyhow, Franken, Kaine, Warren and Sanders went in pretty hard on her, but she kept grinning and bullshiatting enough that she'll get confirmed. A woman that doesn't believe that all schools receiving federal funding should have to equally abide by civil rights laws is going to be the next SecEd.

remember - the trumpers WANTED all of this.  they demanded it, insisted upon it.


Only by assembling people who truly hate the government can you ensure that it'll be completely burned to the ground.
 
2017-01-18 2:16:47 AM  
The Republicans on the committee even had to invent a rule to invoke on the spot to prevent more intensive questioning of the woman set to be in charge of a trillion dollar bankroll, and who has no experience in public education or banking,

They actively conspired to obfuscate the utter unfitness of this vapid woman. Just another day at the office for the GOP I suppose.
 
2017-01-18 2:25:58 AM  

culebra: The Republicans on the committee even had to invent a rule to invoke on the spot to prevent more intensive questioning of the woman set to be in charge of a trillion dollar bankroll, and who has no experience in public education or banking,

They actively conspired to obfuscate the utter unfitness of this vapid woman. Just another day at the office for the GOP I suppose.


document it all.  at some point after the civil war, we're going to want to hold a war crimes tribunal.  if any of these assholes survive the aftermath, we'll need this evidence to use against 'em.
 
2017-01-18 2:36:21 AM  

Pocket Ninja: She actually has a point. I mean, many schools have come a long way regarding defending themselves against armed intruders -- metal detectors, for example, are increasingly commonplace. But most grizzly bears would be able to pass through a metal detector without setting off any alarms, because their normal weaponry (teeth, claws) are not metallic in nature. So the school's defensive systems could be working entirely within normal parameters and a grizzly could still end up inside the school itself. This isn't even even taking into consideration any possible collaboration between the grizzly and students themselves, who might wish harm upon other students and form some sort of pact with the bear (one possible scenario being leaving a normally locked door propped for the bear's easy access). So what happens if it's lunchtime and such a grizzly breach occurs? One bear in a crowded cafeteria could inflict incalculable harm. I'm also fairly certain that most SWAT and other rapid-response units who would arrive as first responders do not regularly train in counter-grizzly tactics, which could lead to catastrophic delays in their actual entry of the building as they plan and strategize. Does anyone need to be reminded of what happened at Columbine when such delays took place? Some might argue that the fact that no such attack has ever happened is evidence that it never well, but "head in sand" is not a plan. Before 9-11, passenger planes were not viewed as weapons. Then everything changed. Do we really want to be playing catch up with this threat?


My school made people sign in at the entrance.  That system was 100% bearproof: they can't sign anything with those big furry paws.
 
2017-01-18 2:36:34 AM  
Surely subby is just....  Son of a biatch.

Hey crazy biatch, please name three instances of when a bear has been a problem at a school.  I imagine in Alaska, but they have people for that.

And biatch?  You're a farking idiot if you think a handgun will do anything but piss a grizzly off.
 
2017-01-18 2:40:24 AM  
DeVos demonstrated multiple times just how nutty and disastrous she is.

She declined to back public, public charter and private schools from all having the same accountability standards.

And here she is derping through Al Franken's questions.
 
2017-01-18 2:41:58 AM  
She also provided no ethics paperwork regarding her finances, contributions and more. Most of it had to be dug up by the press.

She is also the 7th cabinet pick to have exceptional conflicts of interest as well as donating millions to the Trump / GOP campaigns in years past.

Funny that. How's that swamp drain going GOP'ers?
 
2017-01-18 2:43:18 AM  
What a "Grizzly Bear" bearing bare bear arms may look like.
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2017-01-18 2:44:22 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: Education secretary pick Betsy DeVos called bold reformer, unfit for job in divided hearing

Joseph Lieberman, the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2000, introduced DeVos on Tuesday and vouched for her leadership, arguing that her status as an outsider is an asset.
...
GOP senators cheered DeVos' nomination, saying they hope she will champion alternatives to the nation's public schools and scale back the federal footprint in K-12 education.
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He restricted senators to one five-minute round of questions, saying he was adhering to committee precedent and the "golden rule," treating Trump's pick as the committee treated Obama's nominees. Democrats were dismayed, arguing that the committee has never before cut off questions, and that they needed more time to examine DeVos' record.


That treacherous, mush-mouthed sack of rancid monkey spunk is still around?!
 
2017-01-18 2:44:56 AM  

phimuskapsi: She also provided no ethics paperwork regarding her finances, contributions and more. Most of it had to be dug up by the press.

She is also the 7th cabinet pick to have exceptional conflicts of interest as well as donating millions to the Trump / GOP campaigns in years past.

Funny that. How's that swamp drain going GOP'ers?


Naked corruption, and the GOP will confirm her.
 
2017-01-18 2:46:09 AM  
What, in case the bears are who we THOUGHT they were?

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2017-01-18 2:46:15 AM  
Has she ever seen a bear that wasn't in a zoo or circus?  I have not.
 
2017-01-18 2:46:37 AM  

Lackofname: DeVos demonstrated multiple times just how nutty and disastrous she is.

She declined to back public, public charter and private schools from all having the same accountability standards.

And here she is derping through Al Franken's questions.


I suspect that this also means that she believes that homeschoolers can lock their kids in the basement and teach them nothing but the Bible and it's all good, since they don't get any federal money.
 
2017-01-18 2:53:02 AM  

rynthetyn: Lackofname: DeVos demonstrated multiple times just how nutty and disastrous she is.

She declined to back public, public charter and private schools from all having the same accountability standards.

And here she is derping through Al Franken's questions.

I suspect that this also means that she believes that homeschoolers can lock their kids in the basement and teach them nothing but the Bible and it's all good, since they don't get any federal money.


I took it to be even worse: that the homeschool parents can pull that shiat while  receiving federal funding and be held to a different standard than everyone else because Jesus. It's why he was trying to get her to specifically say that all schools should be held to the same civil rights standards. She refused to.
 
2017-01-18 2:53:33 AM  

Weaver95: culebra: The Republicans on the committee even had to invent a rule to invoke on the spot to prevent more intensive questioning of the woman set to be in charge of a trillion dollar bankroll, and who has no experience in public education or banking,

They actively conspired to obfuscate the utter unfitness of this vapid woman. Just another day at the office for the GOP I suppose.

document it all.  at some point after the civil war, we're going to want to hold a war crimes tribunal.  if any of these assholes survive the aftermath, we'll need this evidence to use against 'em.


Considering that most of them have drank the kool aide and worship their own hype, not a bad idea. Who wants to take bets on whether the rest die resisting capture or take the coward's way out? Third option for taken out by a member of their own party. All ends have separate pools and only one bet between all pools per wacko!

\place yer bets!
 
2017-01-18 2:53:37 AM  

Alphax: Has she ever seen a bear that wasn't in a zoo or circus?  I have not.


To be fair, she's never seen the inside of a public school either.
 
2017-01-18 2:54:14 AM  
Well certain far north towns in Canada and Alaska might want to keep a few for when the starving polar bears come to town.
 
2017-01-18 2:54:17 AM  

shroom: Alphax: Has she ever seen a bear that wasn't in a zoo or circus?  I have not.

To be fair, she's never seen the inside of a public school either.


I imagine so.
 
2017-01-18 2:55:19 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: And biatch?  You're a farking idiot if you think a handgun will do anything but piss a grizzly off.


Another uninformed, know nothing, anti-gun lib. Of course there are hand guns which can take out a grizzly.

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Crawl back in your hole, Bernie-bro. Bear free zones DO NOT WORK! Since when did bears obey the law?
 
2017-01-18 2:55:31 AM  
I don't use this term often, but Trump is cancer. No matter what, a malignant desiccation is going to spread to every corner of the government. Even if Trump is impeached soon after inauguration, his cabinet is going to stick around. We're going to be set back so many years.
 
2017-01-18 2:55:36 AM  

rynthetyn: Lackofname: DeVos demonstrated multiple times just how nutty and disastrous she is.

She declined to back public, public charter and private schools from all having the same accountability standards.

And here she is derping through Al Franken's questions.

I suspect that this also means that she believes that homeschoolers can lock their kids in the basement and teach them nothing but the Bible and it's all good, since they don't get any federal money.


I am beginning to doubt that the public education would have had its intended effect anyway: these people elected Trump. At this point, trying to educate their spawn would just be throwing away good money.

//Mostly kidding
//Mostly...
 
2017-01-18 2:56:45 AM  

Weaver95: culebra: The Republicans on the committee even had to invent a rule to invoke on the spot to prevent more intensive questioning of the woman set to be in charge of a trillion dollar bankroll, and who has no experience in public education or banking,

They actively conspired to obfuscate the utter unfitness of this vapid woman. Just another day at the office for the GOP I suppose.

document it all.  at some point after the civil war, we're going to want to hold a war crimes tribunal.  if any of these assholes survive the aftermath, we'll need this evidence to use against 'em.


There is a real potential for things to go off the rails, and fast in the way you describe. I am only holding off on connecting the dots because I don't really want to endanger my own sanity too much, but deep down I know who Trump has surrounded himself with and that what they are up to has nothing to do with anything that will increase the cohesiveness of the nation. We're in for rough times whatever the destination.
 
2017-01-18 2:57:41 AM  
To contribute to the kooky bear thread, Nicholas Cage punches woman while wearing a bear suit.
 
2017-01-18 2:57:48 AM  
So if we're going to go after Devos, we should point out that charter schools don't work, and that teacher unions have never been more popular among Republicans.
 
2017-01-18 2:59:19 AM  
I liked Devos back when they wore funny hats and sang about whips.
 
2017-01-18 3:00:14 AM  

meyerkev: So if we're going to go after Devos, we should point out that charter schools don't work, and that teacher unions have never been more popular among Republicans.


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2017-01-18 3:01:08 AM  

culebra: rynthetyn: Lackofname: DeVos demonstrated multiple times just how nutty and disastrous she is.

She declined to back public, public charter and private schools from all having the same accountability standards.

And here she is derping through Al Franken's questions.

I suspect that this also means that she believes that homeschoolers can lock their kids in the basement and teach them nothing but the Bible and it's all good, since they don't get any federal money.

I took it to be even worse: that the homeschool parents can pull that shiat while  receiving federal funding and be held to a different standard than everyone else because Jesus. It's why he was trying to get her to specifically say that all schools should be held to the same civil rights standards. She refused to.


That's entirely possible too, though the homeschool lobby traditionally freaks the fark out over any homeschoolers taking even a penny of taxpayer money because that means they might have to follow some sort of standard. The big national homeschool lobbying org even fights against homeschool sports participation in public school athletics, because even the blessed virgin Tim Tebow isn't proof enough that somebody somewhere might use sports participation to make sure you teach your kid something.
 
2017-01-18 3:01:45 AM  

insertsnarkyusername: Well certain far north towns in Canada and Alaska might want to keep a few for when the starving polar bears come to town.


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2017-01-18 3:02:12 AM  
Maggie Hassan also had a moment of dumbstruck silence when DeVos clearly had no idea that the Americans with Disabilities Act is a federal law that exists.

Too bad Republicans are cowards and wouldn't allow extended questioning so that the full committee could further discuss what it means to Betsy to be a Christian Warrior, and what that entails for the direction Education will take with her at the helm.
 
2017-01-18 3:02:28 AM  
As an Alaskan I don't know whether to laugh, or facepalm.

Both, then.  Hahammmph.
 
2017-01-18 3:03:41 AM  

Lackofname: meyerkev: So if we're going to go after Devos, we should point out that charter schools don't work, and that teacher unions have never been more popular among Republicans.

Relevant


Yup.

Charter Schools basically exist when you combine unhappy parents with teachers unions.

The parents want to get their kids away from "Those kids" , and can't use geography to do it, and the Conservative Education reformers want to crush the unions.

if you just have the first, no charters.
If you just have the second... well, Vermont doesn't even have a Charter law.

Because charters aren't about education, they're about peer group selection.
 
2017-01-18 3:04:25 AM  

culebra: There is a real potential for things to go off the rails, and fast in the way you describe. I am only holding off on connecting the dots because I don't really want to endanger my own sanity too much, but deep down I know who Trump has surrounded himself with and that what they are up to has nothing to do with anything that will increase the cohesiveness of the nation. We're in for rough times whatever the destination.


we've got an incoming president who's unstable and proud of his ignorance.  his cabinet is full of high functioning sociopaths, and his VP is a religious fanatic who's convinced that despite all evidence to the contrary that America is a christian theocratic authoritarian government.  meanwhile, SCOTUS is about to get raped, and the GOP controlled congress is about to trash every last gain the moderates and social libruls have made in the past 30 odd years.

yeah, i'm developing an interest in doomsday prepping and it came up all sudden like and outta the blue.  gee, I wonder where that impulse came from?
 
2017-01-18 3:04:41 AM  

Lackofname: meyerkev: So if we're going to go after Devos, we should point out that charter schools don't work, and that teacher unions have never been more popular among Republicans.

Relevant


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2017-01-18 3:08:32 AM  

Weaver95: culebra: There is a real potential for things to go off the rails, and fast in the way you describe. I am only holding off on connecting the dots because I don't really want to endanger my own sanity too much, but deep down I know who Trump has surrounded himself with and that what they are up to has nothing to do with anything that will increase the cohesiveness of the nation. We're in for rough times whatever the destination.

we've got an incoming president who's unstable and proud of his ignorance.  his cabinet is full of high functioning sociopaths, and his VP is a religious fanatic who's convinced that despite all evidence to the contrary that America is a christian theocratic authoritarian government.  meanwhile, SCOTUS is about to get raped, and the GOP controlled congress is about to trash every last gain the moderates and social libruls have made in the past 30 odd years.

yeah, i'm developing an interest in doomsday prepping and it came up all sudden like and outta the blue.  gee, I wonder where that impulse came from?


I'm going back and forth between "buy a sail boat and equip it so I can GTFO and survive on it indefinitely" and asking what's wrong with me and why would I want to repeat the crazy that my friends' parents all fell into when Bill Clinton got elected.
 
2017-01-18 3:08:39 AM  
I think a lot of Trump's cabinet picks think being a cabinet member is like being on the Board of Directors. You get sent some papers to review every so often, show up for a yearly meeting, say "I want this and that" and then head to the golf course.

She clearly had never even heard of the issue that Al Franken raised. I think she's surprised that she's expected to know these things.
 
2017-01-18 3:14:33 AM  
That is one scary, detached from reality, morally certain, freaky eyed looking woman.
 
2017-01-18 3:14:43 AM  

phrawgh: Satanic_Hamster: And biatch?  You're a farking idiot if you think a handgun will do anything but piss a grizzly off.

Another uninformed, know nothing, anti-gun lib. Of course there are hand guns which can take out a grizzly.

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Crawl back in your hole, Bernie-bro. Bear free zones DO NOT WORK! Since when did bears obey the law?


Dude, if you can lift, aim, and fire that with one hand, without breaking of your own bones, I'll pay you $500.
 
2017-01-18 3:15:37 AM  

rynthetyn: I'm going back and forth between "buy a sail boat and equip it so I can GTFO and survive on it indefinitely" and asking what's wrong with me and why would I want to repeat the crazy that my friends' parents all fell into when Bill Clinton got elected.


I do that several times a day.  am I over reacting?  am I under reacting?  I dunno.  all I know is that I don't like anyone i've so far seen attached to the Trump administration.  they've all got massive ethical problems and/or ideologies that are extremely toxic and offensive to...um....well just about everything and everyone in this country.
 
2017-01-18 3:21:01 AM  

phrawgh: Satanic_Hamster: And biatch?  You're a farking idiot if you think a handgun will do anything but piss a grizzly off.

Another uninformed, know nothing, anti-gun lib. Of course there are hand guns which can take out a grizzly.

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Crawl back in your hole, Bernie-bro. Bear free zones DO NOT WORK! Since when did bears obey the law?


...as a gun owning and carrying for a living liberal I can't let this go on any longer. I get that bears are huge creatures but ignoring the fact that. 50 cal handguns exist...

Do you really think that . 45 hollow point few shots to the head is only gonna make a grizzly mad?

As oppose to I dunno...destroy it's brain stem to the point it's not breathing.

Also this woman's nomination makes me weep for this country.
 
2017-01-18 3:23:14 AM  
Apparently she also said that Trump committed sexual assault by grabbing woman by the pussies.
 
2017-01-18 3:40:38 AM  

Weaver95: rynthetyn: I'm going back and forth between "buy a sail boat and equip it so I can GTFO and survive on it indefinitely" and asking what's wrong with me and why would I want to repeat the crazy that my friends' parents all fell into when Bill Clinton got elected.

I do that several times a day.  am I over reacting?  am I under reacting?  I dunno.  all I know is that I don't like anyone i've so far seen attached to the Trump administration.  they've all got massive ethical problems and/or ideologies that are extremely toxic and offensive to...um....well just about everything and everyone in this country.


I'm the same way. I keep going back and forth between knowing that my Jewish aunt is here because her parents high tailed it out of Germany early on, but at the same time remembering how irrational my friends' parents all were over Bill Clinton. I mean, I knew people who bought property in Belize, one dude started taking flying lessons because he thought he was going to fly in under radar and rescue all of us, and it was just batshiat. I wrote up a whole thing about it, and for years any time I'd hear the word "Belize" it would bring back all of that. I really do not want to repeat any of that, but at the same time I don't exactly feel safe with what's coming down the pike.
 
2017-01-18 4:00:57 AM  

mithras_angel: phrawgh: Satanic_Hamster: And biatch?  You're a farking idiot if you think a handgun will do anything but piss a grizzly off.

Another uninformed, know nothing, anti-gun lib. Of course there are hand guns which can take out a grizzly.

[www.thefirearmblog.com image 450x321]

Crawl back in your hole, Bernie-bro. Bear free zones DO NOT WORK! Since when did bears obey the law?

Dude, if you can lift, aim, and fire that with one hand, without breaking of your own bones, I'll pay you $500.


Maybe a fella with little hands, like Mr. Trump, can't...
 
2017-01-18 4:21:44 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: insertsnarkyusername: Well certain far north towns in Canada and Alaska might want to keep a few for when the starving polar bears come to town.

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Polar bears? If you are worried about them, then you should look into the kind they already have up in Alaska.

\Kodiak is wider and of course heavier too
\\Gygax didn't need to make up the Dire Bear, they are real


There is a difference other than size though.  Polar bears are far closer to being a pure carnivore than other bears.  To a polar bear a human is just another prey animal.
 
2017-01-18 4:23:01 AM  
What
the
ACTUAL
FARK?!

It's officially a clown show.  Officially now.  How does this even remotely pass as logical?
 
2017-01-18 4:45:02 AM  
I have an aunt, very conservative, who used to teach early grade school in central Missouri.  And she was rather horrified at the idea of arming teachers that they floated a few years back.  Worst idea ever.
 
2017-01-18 5:48:05 AM  
Well, folks - the fire sale is beginning. Things that belong to you are going to be raffled off to the highest bidder, with no consultation on your part - and they aren't even going to share the money with you.
Your tax dollars, to fund a thousand little Trump Universities that use the Bible for a textbook.
Of course, your kids will end up as drivers and gardeners for Chinese kids with actual educations - but hey - STIGGINIT!!
 
2017-01-18 5:50:19 AM  

rynthetyn: Weaver95: culebra: There is a real potential for things to go off the rails, and fast in the way you describe. I am only holding off on connecting the dots because I don't really want to endanger my own sanity too much, but deep down I know who Trump has surrounded himself with and that what they are up to has nothing to do with anything that will increase the cohesiveness of the nation. We're in for rough times whatever the destination.

we've got an incoming president who's unstable and proud of his ignorance.  his cabinet is full of high functioning sociopaths, and his VP is a religious fanatic who's convinced that despite all evidence to the contrary that America is a christian theocratic authoritarian government.  meanwhile, SCOTUS is about to get raped, and the GOP controlled congress is about to trash every last gain the moderates and social libruls have made in the past 30 odd years.

yeah, i'm developing an interest in doomsday prepping and it came up all sudden like and outta the blue.  gee, I wonder where that impulse came from?

I'm going back and forth between "buy a sail boat and equip it so I can GTFO and survive on it indefinitely" and asking what's wrong with me and why would I want to repeat the crazy that my friends' parents all fell into when Bill Clinton got elected.


Thank you.  I thought it was just me.
 
2017-01-18 5:57:01 AM  

fusillade762: Isn't a handgun just going to piss off a grizzly?


yes.
 
2017-01-18 6:00:00 AM  

jso2897: Well, folks - the fire sale is beginning. Things that belong to you are going to be raffled off to the highest bidder, with no consultation on your part - and they aren't even going to share the money with you.
Your tax dollars, to fund a thousand little Trump Universities that use the Bible for a textbook.
Of course, your kids will end up as drivers and gardeners for Chinese kids with actual educations - but hey - STIGGINIT!!


and Indian kids, Iranian kids and Brazilian kids and Western European kids, etc. Whereever there is value placed on a good education. I am seeing the US sow the seeds for its collapse into Somalia. And it will happen in breathtakingly short time unless we put a stop to it.
 
2017-01-18 6:02:18 AM  

Alphax: I have an aunt, very conservative, who used to teach early grade school in central Missouri.  And she was rather horrified at the idea of arming teachers that they floated a few years back.  Worst idea ever.

 It's a terrible idea. It's bad enough going to school and worrying about being bullied every day. It's another to worry about going to school and being shot.

For farkS sake that was the LEAST of my worries going to school in the 70s
 
2017-01-18 6:03:32 AM  

rynthetyn: Weaver95: rynthetyn: I'm going back and forth between "buy a sail boat and equip it so I can GTFO and survive on it indefinitely" and asking what's wrong with me and why would I want to repeat the crazy that my friends' parents all fell into when Bill Clinton got elected.

I do that several times a day.  am I over reacting?  am I under reacting?  I dunno.  all I know is that I don't like anyone i've so far seen attached to the Trump administration.  they've all got massive ethical problems and/or ideologies that are extremely toxic and offensive to...um....well just about everything and everyone in this country.

I'm the same way. I keep going back and forth between knowing that my Jewish aunt is here because her parents high tailed it out of Germany early on, but at the same time remembering how irrational my friends' parents all were over Bill Clinton. I mean, I knew people who bought property in Belize, one dude started taking flying lessons because he thought he was going to fly in under radar and rescue all of us, and it was just batshiat. I wrote up a whole thing about it, and for years any time I'd hear the word "Belize" it would bring back all of that. I really do not want to repeat any of that, but at the same time I don't exactly feel safe with what's coming down the pike.


I think now it's a very real fear because Donald Trump has said explicitly it's okay to make war on people he hates.
 
2017-01-18 6:06:37 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Weaver95: culebra: The Republicans on the committee even had to invent a rule to invoke on the spot to prevent more intensive questioning of the woman set to be in charge of a trillion dollar bankroll, and who has no experience in public education or banking,

They actively conspired to obfuscate the utter unfitness of this vapid woman. Just another day at the office for the GOP I suppose.

document it all.  at some point after the civil war, we're going to want to hold a war crimes tribunal.  if any of these assholes survive the aftermath, we'll need this evidence to use against 'em.

Considering that most of them have drank the kool aide and worship their own hype, not a bad idea. Who wants to take bets on whether the rest die resisting capture or take the coward's way out? Third option for taken out by a member of their own party. All ends have separate pools and only one bet between all pools per wacko!

\place yer bets!


it's like I've been saying for quite some time, all alt right people love nazi Germany, 1937, nobody loves Nazi Germany, 1945.
 
2017-01-18 6:31:45 AM  
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2017-01-18 6:36:01 AM  
WTF?  I grew up in farking Alaska and we didn't worry about grizzly bears laying siege to schools because it NEVER Happens. You see a bear, you go inside until it goes away.

I did once open the door to go to school and found a giant moose rear end 3 feet from my front door.  The moose swung it's enormous head and looked right at me, so I did what any reasonable kid would do:  I slammed the door, locked it, called my mom crying "I can't go to school there's a moose in the front yard".

Man, that was back in the day.  Elementary school kids were expected to get up and walk a half mile on top of frozen snow berms in below zero weather to school by themselves.  none of this snowflake shiat.
 
2017-01-18 6:39:55 AM  

culebra: This entire hearing was a travesty. She is so far out of her depth it's unbelievable. Oh and here's a little something to keep you up at night: she's Erik Prince's sister. Yes, the same Erik Prince who went to ground after Blackwater got caught doing all sorts of nasty shiat in Iraq. He's back as an "adviser" to Trump.

Anyhow, Franken, Kaine, Warren and Sanders went in pretty hard on her, but she kept grinning and bullshiatting enough that she'll get confirmed. A woman that doesn't believe that all schools receiving federal funding should have to equally abide by civil rights laws is going to be the next SecEd.


It was depressing watching her sneer at their questions and evade a straight answer.  She has so much contempt for her opponents that it's scary.  This is the face of 'Christian' Dominionism.
 
2017-01-18 6:40:50 AM  

Ambivalence: WTF?  I grew up in farking Alaska and we didn't worry about grizzly bears laying siege to schools because it NEVER Happens. You see a bear, you go inside until it goes away.

I did once open the door to go to school and found a giant moose rear end 3 feet from my front door.  The moose swung it's enormous head and looked right at me, so I did what any reasonable kid would do:  I slammed the door, locked it, called my mom crying "I can't go to school there's a moose in the front yard".

Man, that was back in the day.  Elementary school kids were expected to get up and walk a half mile on top of frozen snow berms in below zero weather to school by themselves.  none of this snowflake shiat.


I gotta say, as excuses go, that would be awesome.
 
2017-01-18 6:55:38 AM  
Here's a link that discusses the sinister agenda behind homeschooling.  Christian Dominionist Reconstruction ideology was controlled for decades by J Rushdoony, who aggressively promoted homeschooling as the most effective way of controlling the minds of his future followers.  People who wanted to homeschool their children for non-religious reasons have discovered that once they 'plug into' the homeschooling community, almost all of the available materials are severely religious, and secular parents are ostracized unless they pander at least a little bit to the religious agenda.
 
2017-01-18 6:55:48 AM  

Jesus Farking Christ: I gotta say, as excuses go, that would be awesome.


Yah, Mom made me wait until the moose had left and go to school.  I was just late.
 
2017-01-18 7:18:51 AM  

rynthetyn: Weaver95: rynthetyn: I'm going back and forth between "buy a sail boat and equip it so I can GTFO and survive on it indefinitely" and asking what's wrong with me and why would I want to repeat the crazy that my friends' parents all fell into when Bill Clinton got elected.

I do that several times a day.  am I over reacting?  am I under reacting?  I dunno.  all I know is that I don't like anyone i've so far seen attached to the Trump administration.  they've all got massive ethical problems and/or ideologies that are extremely toxic and offensive to...um....well just about everything and everyone in this country.

I'm the same way. I keep going back and forth between knowing that my Jewish aunt is here because her parents high tailed it out of Germany early on, but at the same time remembering how irrational my friends' parents all were over Bill Clinton. I mean, I knew people who bought property in Belize, one dude started taking flying lessons because he thought he was going to fly in under radar and rescue all of us, and it was just batshiat. I wrote up a whole thing about it, and for years any time I'd hear the word "Belize" it would bring back all of that. I really do not want to repeat any of that, but at the same time I don't exactly feel safe with what's coming down the pike.


The "Buy Belize" thing was resurrected a few years ago, if it ever really went away. 

One of my partners "invested" close to $2 million in some shady real estate development venture. The sales pitch was that when Obama destroyed America, millions of people would try to flee to Belize, they'd all need housing, and you'd already be set up to rule a Potterville of desperate exiles willing to fork over huge sums to find safe refuge. Because of limited supply and overwhelming demand, the owners could name their price, and only accept "desirables".

He recruited at least one other colleague, who I heard sunk about $400,000 into the banana republic Galt's Gulch.

The best part: these folks are goddamned doctors. Surgeons, who by dint of their superior intellect and judgment are entrusted with peoples' lives and well-being.  Oh well.

It would not surprise me in the least if the ringleaders of the scam switch gears and start marketing to people terrified of the impending Reich of Twitler.
 
2017-01-18 7:21:54 AM  
Two things we don't have in Canada:

1.  School-shooting epidemic.
2.  Students attacked by bears.

Two things we do have in Canada:

1.  Gun control
2.  Bears.
 
2017-01-18 7:28:36 AM  

KWess: Two things we don't have in Canada:

1.  School-shooting epidemic.
2.  Students attacked by bears.

Two things we do have in Canada:

1.  Gun control
2.  Bears.


Another thing you don't have in Canada: Donald Trump.
 
2017-01-18 7:55:29 AM  
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/01/18/six-as​t​onishing-things-betsy-devos-said-and-refused-to-say-at-her-confirmatio​n-hearing/

" Kaine: "If confirmed will you insist upon equal accountability in any K-12 school or educational program that receives taxpayer funding whether public, public charter or private?"
DeVos: "I support accountability."
Kaine: "Equal accountability?"
DeVos: "I support accountability."
Kaine: "Is that a yes or a no?"
DeVos: "I support accountability."
Kaine: "Do you not want to answer my question?"
DeVos: "I support accountability." "
 
2017-01-18 7:55:46 AM  

Pocket Ninja: . But most grizzly bears would be able to pass through a metal detector without setting off any alarms, because their normal weaponry (teeth, claws) are not metallic in nature.


He's right, you know.

/and a goddamn genius at what he does
 
2017-01-18 8:01:35 AM  

Astorix: jso2897: Well, folks - the fire sale is beginning. Things that belong to you are going to be raffled off to the highest bidder, with no consultation on your part - and they aren't even going to share the money with you.
Your tax dollars, to fund a thousand little Trump Universities that use the Bible for a textbook.
Of course, your kids will end up as drivers and gardeners for Chinese kids with actual educations - but hey - STIGGINIT!!

and Indian kids, Iranian kids and Brazilian kids and Western European kids, etc. Whereever there is value placed on a good education. I am seeing the US sow the seeds for its collapse into Somalia. And it will happen in breathtakingly short time unless we put a stop to it.


We missed that boat back in November.  There won't be anything left to save in 2020.
 
2017-01-18 8:11:29 AM  

Serious Black: ralphjr: [img.fark.net image 300x225]

Let the bears pay the bear tax. I pay the Homer tax.


I'll DM you my venmo...
 
2017-01-18 8:46:26 AM  

Ambivalence: WTF?  I grew up in farking Alaska and we didn't worry about grizzly bears laying siege to schools because it NEVER Happens. You see a bear, you go inside until it goes away.

I did once open the door to go to school and found a giant moose rear end 3 feet from my front door.  The moose swung it's enormous head and looked right at me, so I did what any reasonable kid would do:  I slammed the door, locked it, called my mom crying "I can't go to school there's a moose in the front yard".

Man, that was back in the day.  Elementary school kids were expected to get up and walk a half mile on top of frozen snow berms in below zero weather to school by themselves.  none of this snowflake shiat.


Best. Excuse. Ever.
 
2017-01-18 8:50:49 AM  
Guys I really don't know what to do after Friday.  My boss is a huge Republican.  He was actually OK before he married some wack a doodle wingnut a few years ago and  has since just gone off the rails. He is SO looking forward to Friday when that darn black guy is out of office.  And all this stuff on the news about Trump, his actions, his cabinet picks, etc. etc.?? It's all made up by the Hilary loving libruls.  Seriously.  Help!
 
2017-01-18 8:56:12 AM  
Nikki Haley & a guy nicknamed Mad Dog are (possibly) the two best Trump nominees. That says it all.
 
2017-01-18 9:09:28 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Apparently she also said that Trump committed sexual assault by grabbing woman by the pussies.


She absolutely did, right at the end. It was about the only time she gave a direct answer.

CNN: Sen. Patty Murray, the top Democrat on the Senate committee considering DeVos' nomination, asked the Michigan Republican whether she would consider the actions described on the tape -- "kissing and touching women and girls without their consent," she said paraphrasing Trump -- to be sexual assault.
"Yes," DeVos answered simply.

That couldn't have made Trump very happy.
 
2017-01-18 9:11:11 AM  

Ambivalence: WTF?  I grew up in farking Alaska and we didn't worry about grizzly bears laying siege to schools because it NEVER Happens. You see a bear, you go inside until it goes away.

I did once open the door to go to school and found a giant moose rear end 3 feet from my front door.  The moose swung it's enormous head and looked right at me, so I did what any reasonable kid would do:  I slammed the door, locked it, called my mom crying "I can't go to school there's a moose in the front yard".

Man, that was back in the day.  Elementary school kids were expected to get up and walk a half mile on top of frozen snow berms in below zero weather to school by themselves.  none of this snowflake shiat.


Was this back in the day of the '60s where people wouldn't go to school because a negro was there / wouldn't allow a school to allow a negro to attend?

Yeah, your generation totally wasn't full of snowflakes
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2017-01-18 9:14:15 AM  

SoupGuru: Who was it back in the day that countered the "large magazines + semi automatic assault rifle aren't useful for anything more than killing lots of humans" argument with "are you crazy? Have you ever tried hunting feral hogs without one?!"

Basically, if you can find one semi legit reason for a gun (you may have to squint),  you've just destroyed any argument against you.


I was the "human hunting" side of that conversation. Can't remember who replied. But it may help your search. Part of his/her biatch was also that changing clips in the cold was some sort of horrendous struggle.
 
2017-01-18 9:17:19 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: Franken hits her with an easy question if she's prepared.  She's not.  About 1:30 in.

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She wasn't clear on the difference in "growth" and "proficiency". Mr. Franken tried to give her a quick lesson, but I think she stared right through him.
 
2017-01-18 9:24:12 AM  
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2017-01-18 9:34:03 AM  

Parthenogenetic: rynthetyn: Weaver95: rynthetyn:


You have to remember that everybody is good at something. To get REALLY good at something require deliberate practice. To become excellent at something requires neglecting other things, if for nothing else, there are only 24 hours in a day.

Surgeons can be brilliant at medical science, but absolute morons about anything (or even EVERYTHING) else. The same with sports stars, computer programmers, and billionaire moguls.

There is no volume discount on experience. Even where you can apply lessons from one field to another, there are far more counter examples where you can't.
 
2017-01-18 9:38:22 AM  
What's really frightening is that there are people out there who agree with her
 
2017-01-18 9:52:52 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: Franken hits her with an easy question if she's prepared.  She's not.  About 1:30 in.

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I wish I had an Al Franken.
 
2017-01-18 9:52:54 AM  
DeVos's testimony was so surprisingly appalling I had to laugh. Guns in schools because of grizzly bears. Completely unaware of critical issues in education. And, of course, a complete lack of shame or even embarrassment for her ludicrous deficiencies.

Guns in schools  because of grizzly bears. I'd be tempted to say that's the stupidest thing I'd ever heard in the political sphere but there's the beloved memory of the pyramids use as grain storage.

The implications of the grizzly bear issue aren't completely obvious. These bears out there have lost their fear of masses of people., Worse, they can work complicated mechanical devices previously out of their reach. Like door knobs. Someone out in Wyoming is breeding super-grizzly bears and training them. And worse. The adults in Wyoming have abandoned their responsibilities to the children in their care.
 
2017-01-18 9:55:37 AM  
Being an outsider is "one of the most important qualifications" DeVos could have?  I'm not a doctor, but as an outsider I'd bring a fresh perspective to performing brain surgery. Step right up. I'll scrub up and get started on you.
 
2017-01-18 10:00:39 AM  

SoupGuru: Who was it back in the day that countered the "large magazines + semi automatic assault rifle aren't useful for anything more than killing lots of humans" argument with "are you crazy? Have you ever tried hunting feral hogs without one?!"

Basically, if you can find one semi legit reason for a gun (you may have to squint),  you've just destroyed any argument against you.


DIA
 
2017-01-18 10:01:29 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: SoupGuru: Who was it back in the day that countered the "large magazines + semi automatic assault rifle aren't useful for anything more than killing lots of humans" argument with "are you crazy? Have you ever tried hunting feral hogs without one?!"

Basically, if you can find one semi legit reason for a gun (you may have to squint),  you've just destroyed any argument against you.

DIA


F?
 
2017-01-18 10:09:52 AM  
I hate guns with a passion (former Marine, expert marksman with a rifle, sharpshooter with a pistol). I think the second amendment is outdated and bastardized (in terms of a well-regulated militia). But I have to agree with her and anybody that thinks the same. Any idiot meaning harm will bring a gun to school whether they are allowed or not. And most violent crime using guns prey on the weak - people they know are probably not armed. So if some nutjob knows nobody in school is allowed to defend themselves, what better target? Now, I have empathy for the other side of the argument - the police show up and have a bunch of people shooting at each other. Which one(s) is(are) the bad guys? How many get injured because of not being trained properly? I think that concern is nullified by the original point - a person meaning harm is less likely to go someplace where people are ready for him/her. They are too cowardly for that. Generally speaking, it makes the counterpoint moot.

We need more responsible people with guns carrying. Irresponsible ones will do it anyhow.
 
2017-01-18 10:10:58 AM  
This thread is why I like fark. Sure, the bear stuff is goofballs, but the thread has dozens of substantive links as well.

I often feel I get more out of one thread like this than a day's listening to npr.
 
2017-01-18 10:17:03 AM  

yakmans_dad: DeVos's testimony was so surprisingly appalling I had to laugh. Guns in schools because of grizzly bears. Completely unaware of critical issues in education. And, of course, a complete lack of shame or even embarrassment for her ludicrous deficiencies.


DeVos is the biggest "burn it all down" nomination of all of Trump's picks.
 
2017-01-18 10:26:46 AM  

insertsnarkyusername: Well certain far north towns in Canada and Alaska might want to keep a few for when the starving polar bears come to town.


This is the government guideline for legal (non-restricted) gun storage in Canada;

Must be unloaded.
Must be secured by a locking device so that it cannot be fired ormust be locked into a room or container that is hard to break into.
Exception:An unloaded non-restricted firearm can be stored temporarily (separate from ammunition) if it is needed for predator control.


How much more Canadian can it get than an exception to your safe gun storage laws due to polar bears.
 
2017-01-18 10:38:12 AM  

Farkomatic: I hate guns with a passion (former Marine, expert marksman with a rifle, sharpshooter with a pistol). I think the second amendment is outdated and bastardized (in terms of a well-regulated militia). But I have to agree with her and anybody that thinks the same. Any idiot meaning harm will bring a gun to school whether they are allowed or not. And most violent crime using guns prey on the weak - people they know are probably not armed. So if some nutjob knows nobody in school is allowed to defend themselves, what better target? Now, I have empathy for the other side of the argument - the police show up and have a bunch of people shooting at each other. Which one(s) is(are) the bad guys? How many get injured because of not being trained properly? I think that concern is nullified by the original point - a person meaning harm is less likely to go someplace where people are ready for him/her. They are too cowardly for that. Generally speaking, it makes the counterpoint moot.

We need more responsible people with guns carrying. Irresponsible ones will do it anyhow.


A past statement by farkomatic, "saddam was right to gas the kurds".
 
2017-01-18 10:42:34 AM  
Of all the picks and nominations Trump is going to make, including the Supreme Court.  I think Betsy DeVos is going to do the most damage to our country.
 
2017-01-18 10:48:49 AM  
Transition team: "We have a potential pick for Sec. of Education!"
Trump: "Tell me more."
Transition Team: "Her name is Betsy DeVos, and she's very committed to education politics."
Trump: "Sounds great, anything else I need to know?"
Transition Team: "There might be a couple of cons to picking her."
Trump: "Uh..... OK, like what?"
Transition team: "She has never attended a public school before."
Trump: "Cool, me either."
Transition Team: "Her kids have never been to a public school either."
Trump: "Hmmmm....... How come she's so passionate about education politics?"
Transition Team: "She thinks public schools should be done away with."
Trump: "Cool, anything else I need to know?"
Transition Team: "She brags that she buys politicians in order to get rid of public schooling."
Trump: "Hire her."
 
2017-01-18 11:16:03 AM  

Alphax: Has she ever seen a bear that wasn't in a zoo or circus?  I have not.


I have. In middle TN, in a county that wasn't supposed to have them. Black bear managed to wander a REALLY long way from the mountains. But yeah, typically she'd only be able to excuse the classroom bear comment if she lived in Alaska, Idaho, or Montana. Then you actually can have problems with bears in town. Schools also can't afford to keep replacing dumpsters:

Brown Bear Thief CAUGHT Stealing Dumpster
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2017-01-18 11:38:46 AM  

WDFark think for a second: phrawgh: Satanic_Hamster: And biatch?  You're a farking idiot if you think a handgun will do anything but piss a grizzly off.

Another uninformed, know nothing, anti-gun lib. Of course there are hand guns which can take out a grizzly.

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Crawl back in your hole, Bernie-bro. Bear free zones DO NOT WORK! Since when did bears obey the law?

...as a gun owning and carrying for a living liberal I can't let this go on any longer. I get that bears are huge creatures but ignoring the fact that. 50 cal handguns exist...

Do you really think that . 45 hollow point few shots to the head is only gonna make a grizzly mad?

As oppose to I dunno...destroy it's brain stem to the point it's not breathing.

Also this woman's nomination makes me weep for this country.


If you are talking about .45 ACP, you may not even penetrate skull. I am as big a fan of the round as anyone, but I'd prefer something faster than 850 FPS (average) for my anti-bear gun. Probably .44 mag or .460 Rowland. Of course, .500 S&W works, but it's a bit cumbersome. There are a couple "high-velocity" .45 ACP loads out there, but they are only 1000-1150 FPS at best. Considering the standard ball loads are 835 FPS, it is a bit weak. Also, you will not be able to get off more than a couple of shots against a charging bear anyway, so it's not like you will be able to empty a mag into the bear before you are mauled.  It's better to make sure that the one or two shots you DO get are sufficient to do the job.
 
2017-01-18 11:44:06 AM  

culebra: This entire hearing was a travesty. She is so far out of her depth it's unbelievable. Oh and here's a little something to keep you up at night: she's Erik Prince's sister. Yes, the same Erik Prince who went to ground after Blackwater got caught doing all sorts of nasty shiat in Iraq. He's back as an "adviser" to Trump.

Anyhow, Franken, Kaine, Warren and Sanders went in pretty hard on her, but she kept grinning and bullshiatting enough that she'll get confirmed. A woman that doesn't believe that all schools receiving federal funding should have to equally abide by civil rights laws is going to be the next SecEd.


I'd add the CT senator to the list who went after her too. His closing line about looking forward to her coming to Connecticut to talk about the effects of guns in schools was withering.

But you're right, it won't make a damn bit of difference. By all metrics, other than being a mega-rich 'outsider' (as far as traditional education goes), she is not qualified for this position. I thought Franken's question about growth vs. proficiency, that she was wholly unprepared to answer, should have disqualified her right there. I could disagree with her ideas on education and education reform, but she has to have an idea in the first place. There was a lot of 'Thank you for that question, Senator," and "I look forward to working with you on how we can achieve a solution," bullshiat, but very little of concrete ideas.

In other words, she fits right in with the Trump administration.
 
2017-01-18 11:48:11 AM  

Farkomatic: I hate guns with a passion (former Marine, expert marksman with a rifle, sharpshooter with a pistol). I think the second amendment is outdated and bastardized (in terms of a well-regulated militia). But I have to agree with her and anybody that thinks the same. Any idiot meaning harm will bring a gun to school whether they are allowed or not. And most violent crime using guns prey on the weak - people they know are probably not armed. So if some nutjob knows nobody in school is allowed to defend themselves, what better target? Now, I have empathy for the other side of the argument - the police show up and have a bunch of people shooting at each other. Which one(s) is(are) the bad guys? How many get injured because of not being trained properly? I think that concern is nullified by the original point - a person meaning harm is less likely to go someplace where people are ready for him/her. They are too cowardly for that. Generally speaking, it makes the counterpoint moot.

We need more responsible people with guns carrying. Irresponsible ones will do it anyhow.


Holy crap, unicorns do exist. Someone who personally hates guns, but actually understands how reality works? I didn't think that was possible, and on fark no less. Have you considered running for a public office?
 
2017-01-18 12:16:46 PM  

washington-babylon: Farkomatic: I hate guns with a passion (former Marine, expert marksman with a rifle, sharpshooter with a pistol). I think the second amendment is outdated and bastardized (in terms of a well-regulated militia). But I have to agree with her and anybody that thinks the same. Any idiot meaning harm will bring a gun to school whether they are allowed or not. And most violent crime using guns prey on the weak - people they know are probably not armed. So if some nutjob knows nobody in school is allowed to defend themselves, what better target? Now, I have empathy for the other side of the argument - the police show up and have a bunch of people shooting at each other. Which one(s) is(are) the bad guys? How many get injured because of not being trained properly? I think that concern is nullified by the original point - a person meaning harm is less likely to go someplace where people are ready for him/her. They are too cowardly for that. Generally speaking, it makes the counterpoint moot.

We need more responsible people with guns carrying. Irresponsible ones will do it anyhow.

Holy crap, unicorns do exist. Someone who personally hates guns, but actually understands how reality works? I didn't think that was possible, and on fark no less. Have you considered running for a public office?


No, there is nothing reasonable about saying that the active shooters in schools would be deterred from their already suicidal attempt by the existence of guns in schools.  At best one could argue you might deter them in choice of target only, so they go shoot up a park instead of a school.  In which case, you succeeded at saving zero lives, but did increase casualties due to gun accidents as a by-product of stocking your schools with weapons. So now of course you'll call for arming everyone everywhere, because obviously merely forcing people to shoot up location X instead of Y doesn't do much.  If everywhere is armed, and the shooter is suicidal (and yes, most active shooters know they aren't making it out alive, and indeed don't even attempt anything close to a hit and run approach), then now he right back to shooting up the school.

And you are going to need weapons all through the school, or else you merely create a target point for the start. If the guns are in the principal's office, you start by going straight to him.  No one is going to maintain a level of high vigilance in the school on a daily basis, so that first target is pretty much guaranteed to go down. So now you need guns all over the school. If they are to be any good against an active shooter, they need to be accessible quickly, so we are talking armed teachers.

What could go wrong? Everything. What would go right? Very little.  To be frank, I could really give a fark one way or another whether a school wants to allow guns or not, but anyone who thinks throwing a dozen armed people in plain clothes into an active shooter environment is going to solve a thing is living in a fantasy world.

It is a terrible idea overall, something on par with those who claimed more people should have been armed in the Aurora theater.

/gun owner
 
2017-01-18 12:27:27 PM  

Smackledorfer: Farkomatic: I hate guns with a passion (former Marine, expert marksman with a rifle, sharpshooter with a pistol). I think the second amendment is outdated and bastardized (in terms of a well-regulated militia). But I have to agree with her and anybody that thinks the same. Any idiot meaning harm will bring a gun to school whether they are allowed or not. And most violent crime using guns prey on the weak - people they know are probably not armed. So if some nutjob knows nobody in school is allowed to defend themselves, what better target? Now, I have empathy for the other side of the argument - the police show up and have a bunch of people shooting at each other. Which one(s) is(are) the bad guys? How many get injured because of not being trained properly? I think that concern is nullified by the original point - a person meaning harm is less likely to go someplace where people are ready for him/her. They are too cowardly for that. Generally speaking, it makes the counterpoint moot.

We need more responsible people with guns carrying. Irresponsible ones will do it anyhow.

A past statement by farkomatic, "saddam was right to gas the kurds".


It should have said you are an idiot because I never said or suggested that. I have no idea of which statement you are referring to, but I've been consistent enough to know that the context was in regards to "Saddam gassing his own people". As if he dropped WMD in downtown Baghdad. The Kurds were an opposition force (from his standpoint) who teamed up with Iran - who Iraq was at war with. We sided with Iraq. Saddam gassed the Kurds with the Iraqi fighters he was gassing also. Nowhere did I say this is right because it is abhorrent. As abhorrent as the United States of America setting hundreds of thousands of people on fire by nuking 2 cities in Japan. But this is war. In World War I, it was mustard gas. There has always been and will always be WMD. I'm not going to bother looking up the statement you are referring to because I don't have to. I feel dumber already having to interact with a fool such as yourself who doesn't have simple comprehension skills. And to make it worse, this is your response to the point I made regarding this subject? Not to get too personal, but have you considered getting a CAT scan or were you always this stupid?
 
2017-01-18 12:59:02 PM  

Parthenogenetic: The best part: these folks are goddamned doctors. Surgeons, who by dint of their superior intellect and judgment are entrusted with peoples' lives and well-being. Oh well.


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2017-01-18 1:16:32 PM  

Missicat: Guys I really don't know what to do after Friday.  My boss is a huge Republican.  He was actually OK before he married some wack a doodle wingnut a few years ago and  has since just gone off the rails. He is SO looking forward to Friday when that darn black guy is out of office.  And all this stuff on the news about Trump, his actions, his cabinet picks, etc. etc.?? It's all made up by the Hilary loving libruls.  Seriously.  Help!


I can't be open about my politics at work or I will get fired. The joys of working in agribusiness.
   I even had a DADT policy with my coworkers. Then they started going through my Facebook. Apparently I need to "get right with God and ask forgiveness" for my views. There's now a lovely note in my file that I'm disruptive.
   And then they got pissed that they're blocked.
 
2017-01-18 1:18:42 PM  

washington-babylon: Alphax: Has she ever seen a bear that wasn't in a zoo or circus?  I have not.

I have. In middle TN, in a county that wasn't supposed to have them. Black bear managed to wander a REALLY long way from the mountains. But yeah, typically she'd only be able to excuse the classroom bear comment if she lived in Alaska, Idaho, or Montana. Then you actually can have problems with bears in town. Schools also can't afford to keep replacing dumpsters:

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Do you have woods or forests?  You have black bears (which actually maybe be black, brown, tan, or white).  Black bears like trees and if they can wander a greenbelt they will.
 
2017-01-18 2:17:12 PM  

Ambivalence: I did once open the door to go to school and found a giant moose

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2017-01-18 2:20:15 PM  

Farkomatic: Smackledorfer: Farkomatic: I hate guns with a passion (former Marine, expert marksman with a rifle, sharpshooter with a pistol). I think the second amendment is outdated and bastardized (in terms of a well-regulated militia). But I have to agree with her and anybody that thinks the same. Any idiot meaning harm will bring a gun to school whether they are allowed or not. And most violent crime using guns prey on the weak - people they know are probably not armed. So if some nutjob knows nobody in school is allowed to defend themselves, what better target? Now, I have empathy for the other side of the argument - the police show up and have a bunch of people shooting at each other. Which one(s) is(are) the bad guys? How many get injured because of not being trained properly? I think that concern is nullified by the original point - a person meaning harm is less likely to go someplace where people are ready for him/her. They are too cowardly for that. Generally speaking, it makes the counterpoint moot.

We need more responsible people with guns carrying. Irresponsible ones will do it anyhow.

A past statement by farkomatic, "saddam was right to gas the kurds".

It should have said you are an idiot because I never said or suggested that. I have no idea of which statement you are referring to, but I've been consistent enough to know that the context was in regards to "Saddam gassing his own people". As if he dropped WMD in downtown Baghdad. The Kurds were an opposition force (from his standpoint) who teamed up with Iran - who Iraq was at war with. We sided with Iraq. Saddam gassed the Kurds with the Iraqi fighters he was gassing also. Nowhere did I say this is right because it is abhorrent. As abhorrent as the United States of America setting hundreds of thousands of people on fire by nuking 2 cities in Japan. But this is war. In World War I, it was mustard gas. There has always been and will always be WMD. I'm not going to bother looking up the statement you are referring to because I don't have to. I feel dumber already having to interact with a fool such as yourself who doesn't have simple comprehension skills. And to make it worse, this is your response to the point I made regarding this subject? Not to get too personal, but have you considered getting a CAT scan or were you always this stupid?


Bless your heart.
 
2017-01-18 3:34:35 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Joseph Lieberman, the "Democratic" nominee for vice president in 2000, introduced DeVos on Tuesday and vouched for her leadership, arguing that her status as an outsider is an asset.


99.99% of the time, I'm fundamentally against anti-semitism.  The other .01% of the time, this motherfarker has just said or done something to remind me he exists.
 
2017-01-18 3:49:27 PM  

Missicat: Guys I really don't know what to do after Friday.  My boss is a huge Republican.  He was actually OK before he married some wack a doodle wingnut a few years ago and  has since just gone off the rails. He is SO looking forward to Friday when that darn black guy is out of office.  And all this stuff on the news about Trump, his actions, his cabinet picks, etc. etc.?? It's all made up by the Hilary loving libruls.  Seriously.  Help!


Quietly start looking for another job while taking every covert opportunity to secretly sabotage your boss's business.
 
2017-01-18 3:53:40 PM  

thorpe: yakmans_dad: DeVos's testimony was so surprisingly appalling I had to laugh. Guns in schools because of grizzly bears. Completely unaware of critical issues in education. And, of course, a complete lack of shame or even embarrassment for her ludicrous deficiencies.

DeVos is the biggest "burn it all down" nomination of all of Trump's picks.


I wonder if whatever Blackwater is called these days will be hired to enforce the curfews once the disintegration really starts to accelerate.
 
2017-01-18 3:54:55 PM  

hobbes0022: Of all the picks and nominations Trump is going to make, including the Supreme Court.  I think Betsy DeVos is going to do the most damage to our country.


Just imagine an entire new generation even more stupid than what we have now.
 
2017-01-18 3:57:32 PM  

Twist2005: Missicat: Guys I really don't know what to do after Friday.  My boss is a huge Republican.  He was actually OK before he married some wack a doodle wingnut a few years ago and  has since just gone off the rails. He is SO looking forward to Friday when that darn black guy is out of office.  And all this stuff on the news about Trump, his actions, his cabinet picks, etc. etc.?? It's all made up by the Hilary loving libruls.  Seriously.  Help!

I can't be open about my politics at work or I will get fired. The joys of working in agribusiness.
   I even had a DADT policy with my coworkers. Then they started going through my Facebook. Apparently I need to "get right with God and ask forgiveness" for my views. There's now a lovely note in my file that I'm disruptive.
   And then they got pissed that they're blocked.


If something ever happens where you actually get fired, I'm sure the ACLU would be very interested in this story and any others you may be able to share.
 
2017-01-18 4:53:52 PM  

whither_apophis: washington-babylon: Alphax: Has she ever seen a bear that wasn't in a zoo or circus?  I have not.

I have. In middle TN, in a county that wasn't supposed to have them. Black bear managed to wander a REALLY long way from the mountains. But yeah, typically she'd only be able to excuse the classroom bear comment if she lived in Alaska, Idaho, or Montana. Then you actually can have problems with bears in town. Schools also can't afford to keep replacing dumpsters:

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/io9SxQXcYzo - 480x270]

Do you have woods or forests?  You have black bears (which actually maybe be black, brown, tan, or white).  Black bears like trees and if they can wander a greenbelt they will.


We don't have a contiguous stretch of woods over 250 miles long that goes between the nearest black bear range and the place I saw this one. There are gaps, large gaps even, between those location that have no forest at all. That is why it is unusual in the extreme to see black bears there.
 
2017-01-18 5:54:54 PM  

clodcomplex: So that teachin' lady tells me the only 3 letters I need are U, S, N, R, and A.


FTFY
 
2017-01-18 6:01:47 PM  

extroverted_suicide: Soup4Bonnie: Joseph Lieberman, the "Democratic" nominee for vice president in 2000, introduced DeVos on Tuesday and vouched for her leadership, arguing that her status as an outsider is an asset.

99.99% of the time, I'm fundamentally against anti-semitism.  The other .01% of the time, this motherfarker has just said or done something to remind me he exists.


I wonder what Lieberman would think if Israeli wingnuts decided to appoint an outspoken Catholic, I don't know, say Rick Santorum, as prime minister.  You know, to bring that outsider's perspective.
 
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