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2016-12-29 01:56:18 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: make me some tea: Some pictures of the Gold Butte area:

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And sadly some of the damage to the area by not protecting it. In the desert this sort of scarring lasts decades.

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as much as people want to jump in the Bundys why can't there be a middle ground? Let them graze their cattle there but specify that they cannot use motorized vehicles there and make no permanent marks (ie fences) there. Though being a desert there might be a need for a water well


That's pretty much exactly how it works now. Except if anything, it's currently MORE permissive. Ranchers can graze on federal land, they just need to pay for the access. That was Cliven Bundy's problem - not that he was denied access, but that he thought he should have full unfettered access for free.
 
2016-12-29 01:57:39 PM  

MountainClimber: The Repubs in congress have sat on it that length of time and Obama finally forced their hand...


The Repubs in congress have nothing to do with a National Monument designation.  The only hand that was needed was his own.
 
2016-12-29 01:58:23 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: as much as people want to jump in the Bundys why can't there be a middle ground? Let them graze their cattle there but specify that they cannot use motorized vehicles there and make no permanent marks (ie fences) there. Though being a desert there might be a need for a water well


The question we should ask, is this really a good place to be running cattle?

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2016-12-29 01:59:52 PM  

Lusiphur: That was Cliven Bundy's problem - not that he was denied access, but that he thought he should have full unfettered access for free.


As I understand, he was claiming that this federal land was basically his private land, which he did not need to pay for grazing rights.Not that losing in court time and time again ever changed his opinion or actions.
 
2016-12-29 01:59:54 PM  
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2016-12-29 02:04:12 PM  

seadoo2006: MooseBayou: Federal Land Grab.  It's bad when you do it to the Indians, right?  Good when it happens to someone you don't like?

Jesus, you liberals truly have no idea what you believe, unless it's to believe it's good that someone you disagree with got farked.

So transparent.  So misled, and ill-used.

If you have an issue with the Antiquities Act, feel free to repeal it. Until then, don't get mad at the President for using powers exclusively reserved for the executive.


And yet as soon as Trump assumes power, suddenly the kind of people who endlessly criticised Obama for using executive power will be perfectly happy with Trump doing so.
 
2016-12-29 02:04:51 PM  

make me some tea: The question we should ask, is this really a good place to be running cattle?

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Multiple use lands have already pretty much answered that question decades ago.   Not that designations can't be changed or that use cannot be regulated to a certain extent.

Many rural communities are there exactly because of the ability to use these lands for things like grazing, mining and logging.  They provide the economic backbone of may areas.
 
2016-12-29 02:05:32 PM  
make me some tea:
And sadly some of the damage to the area by not protecting it. In the desert this sort of scarring lasts decades.

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Of course a bunch of yahoos will go apeshiat if the gov't decides they can't fark up public land with their ATVs. These are people who literally held a group ATV ride for freedom or something.

There are loads of designated trails and roads where ATVs are permitted. Use them, jackholes
 
2016-12-29 02:05:53 PM  

Do you know the way to Mordor: seadoo2006: MooseBayou: Federal Land Grab.  It's bad when you do it to the Indians, right?  Good when it happens to someone you don't like?

Jesus, you liberals truly have no idea what you believe, unless it's to believe it's good that someone you disagree with got farked.

So transparent.  So misled, and ill-used.

If you have an issue with the Antiquities Act, feel free to repeal it. Until then, don't get mad at the President for using powers exclusively reserved for the executive.

And yet as soon as Trump assumes power, suddenly the kind of people who endlessly criticised Obama for using executive power will be perfectly happy with Trump doing so.


And people who had no problem with Obama using his executive powers will cry when trump does the same.
 
2016-12-29 02:06:41 PM  

wejash: Trollbama is best Obama.


Four more years!
 
2016-12-29 02:09:18 PM  

roddack: Does a ghost town that had only 5 years of mining years really have the farking cultural significance to justify this?


No.
 
2016-12-29 02:10:30 PM  

patrick767: Of course a bunch of yahoos will go apeshiat if the gov't decides they can't fark up public land with their ATVs.


The only real outrage here when this Republican state designated several hundred thousand acres as wilderness was the mountain biking community.

However, these designations were a very collaborative effort that attempted to balance protections with some access to motorized/mechanized users.  Sure not everyone was 100% happy, but the outrage was minimal
 
2016-12-29 02:13:22 PM  

MooseBayou: Federal Land Grab.  It's bad when you do it to the Indians, right?  Good when it happens to someone you don't like?

Jesus, you liberals truly have no idea what you believe, unless it's to believe it's good that someone you disagree with got farked.

So transparent.  So misled, and ill-used.


'Bout had enough of your low quality derp.


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2016-12-29 02:15:23 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: make me some tea: Some pictures of the Gold Butte area:

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And sadly some of the damage to the area by not protecting it. In the desert this sort of scarring lasts decades.

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as much as people want to jump in the Bundys why can't there be a middle ground? Let them graze their cattle there but specify that they cannot use motorized vehicles there and make no permanent marks (ie fences) there. Though being a desert there might be a need for a water well


JFC. have you not been paying attention?
His cattle are half starved and frikkin' loco from neglect. He's not a rancher in any sense of the word.
I swear, this place is being overrun by f*cking morons.
 
2016-12-29 02:18:03 PM  

nhogan84: Ha, he pulled a Bartlett on them.


OK, this one requires an explanation.  The only two Bartlett's I'm coming up with off the top of my head were a pretty unremarkable Oklahoma governor and unsuccessful oilman; and his idiot son, a parking lot magnate recently fired as Mayor of Tulsa.
 
2016-12-29 02:20:20 PM  

pedrop357: roddack: Does a ghost town that had only 5 years of mining years really have the farking cultural significance to justify this?

No.


Sure, lets forget the thousands of years of archeological history from the previous inhabitants. But I already have you farkied as a Bundy supporter.
 
2016-12-29 02:20:23 PM  

GardenWeasel: Representative of the unwashed masses: make me some tea: Some pictures of the Gold Butte area:

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And sadly some of the damage to the area by not protecting it. In the desert this sort of scarring lasts decades.

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as much as people want to jump in the Bundys why can't there be a middle ground? Let them graze their cattle there but specify that they cannot use motorized vehicles there and make no permanent marks (ie fences) there. Though being a desert there might be a need for a water well

That is the way it was and Bundy ignored it. Fark him.


Not just that. Cattle and horses do much more damage to soil and vegetation than animals like sheep. BLM limits cattle time on federal lands because some places need more than a year to recover from mass cattle grazing. My grandfathers' family owned a sheep ranch in New Mexico. They'd stop and graze the sheep a few days in the Plains of San Agustin (the very place where the Jansky Very Large Array is located) on their way to Socorro. The whole valley used to be full of tall grasses like wild wheat. The Depression wiped out most of the sheep farmers who weren't Navajo and they started grazing cattle there. It's all pretty much inedible brush now and bare patches of dirt. There's not enough tall grass to keep erosion at bay or to sustain a lot of cattle for any considerable amount of time.

So it's not THAT they allow grazing, it's also WHAT they let graze. Cattle need lots of land and they also have deer, elk, and antelope to compete with in the southwest. It's a balancing act that a lot of people don't realize is happening. They just say, "Government bad. Won't let me do what I want." It's more complicated and more nuanced than that, but the Bundy fans don't want details or logic. And god forbid you bring up the word "conservation" with them. To them, the planet was given to them by God Himself for them to rape.
 
2016-12-29 02:24:15 PM  

HeadLever: make me some tea: The question we should ask, is this really a good place to be running cattle?

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Multiple use lands have already pretty much answered that question decades ago.   Not that designations can't be changed or that use cannot be regulated to a certain extent.

Many rural communities are there exactly because of the ability to use these lands for things like grazing, mining and logging.  They provide the economic backbone of may areas.


I do get that, but in this case that economy isn't supported by ranching. Bunkerville NV is unincorporated with about 1,100 people, most of whom work in Mesquite or Vegas, or are retired. Cattle ranching is not a significant part of that economy, save the Bundys.
 
2016-12-29 02:25:11 PM  

make me some tea: Some pictures of the Gold Butte area:

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And sadly some of the damage to the area by not protecting it. In the desert this sort of scarring lasts decades.

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I like big buttes, and I cannot lie.
 
2016-12-29 02:26:41 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: as much as people want to jump in the Bundys why can't there be a middle ground? Let them graze their cattle there but specify that they cannot use motorized vehicles there and make no permanent marks (ie fences) there.


That was the middle ground, and an absolutely massive part of why the BLM even exists in the first place.  They even got some pretty sweet breaks on the fees.  They just didn't want to pay the fees and wanted to claim it all for themselves.
 
2016-12-29 02:28:20 PM  

HeadLever: MountainClimber: The only hand that was needed was his own.


That's the title of my autobiography.
 
2016-12-29 02:29:49 PM  

Fingerware Error: Paging wearsmanyhats. Is this on topic for a dildonian thread?


Might want to see if SgtOtter is around as well.
 
2016-12-29 02:32:50 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Cattle and horses do much more damage to soil and vegetation than animals like sheep.


In general terms that may be true, but it is still a generalization.  Management practices of many areas have progressed quite a ways from the 50s and 60s in order to address the impacts.  Dispersal, stubble heights and rest/rotations of allotments can really increase the sustainability of these allotments.

/my extended family is 6th generation ranchers using the same allotments
 
2016-12-29 02:35:46 PM  

make me some tea: I do get that, but in this case that economy isn't supported by ranching. Bunkerville NV is unincorporated with about 1,100 people, most of whom work in Mesquite or Vegas, or are retired. Cattle ranching is not a significant part of that economy, save the Bundys.


Yeah, my point is more of a general one, and circumstances can be very different for different areas.
 
2016-12-29 02:36:59 PM  

Baloo Uriza: nhogan84: Ha, he pulled a Bartlett on them.

OK, this one requires an explanation.  The only two Bartlett's I'm coming up with off the top of my head were a pretty unremarkable Oklahoma governor and unsuccessful oilman; and his idiot son, a parking lot magnate recently fired as Mayor of Tulsa.


I was referring to Jed Bartlett, President on the show "The West Wing". There was an episode where they were trying to figure out how to stop Montana from strip mining some area and the answer ended up being the antiquities act. Was just a pretty interesting parallel.
 
2016-12-29 02:39:12 PM  

Baloo Uriza: nhogan84: Ha, he pulled a Bartlett on them.

OK, this one requires an explanation.  The only two Bartlett's I'm coming up with off the top of my head were a pretty unremarkable Oklahoma governor and unsuccessful oilman; and his idiot son, a parking lot magnate recently fired as Mayor of Tulsa.


A TV show called The West Wing had a president Bartlet.
 
2016-12-29 02:39:24 PM  

Baloo Uriza: nhogan84: Ha, he pulled a Bartlett on them.

OK, this one requires an explanation.  The only two Bartlett's I'm coming up with off the top of my head were a pretty unremarkable Oklahoma governor and unsuccessful oilman; and his idiot son, a parking lot magnate recently fired as Mayor of Tulsa.


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2016-12-29 02:49:43 PM  

HeadLever: ecmoRandomNumbers: Cattle and horses do much more damage to soil and vegetation than animals like sheep.

In general terms that may be true, but it is still a generalization.  Management practices of many areas have progressed quite a ways from the 50s and 60s in order to address the impacts.  Dispersal, stubble heights and rest/rotations of allotments can really increase the sustainability of these allotments.

/my extended family is 6th generation ranchers using the same allotments


Some people like your family are good stewards of their allotment and responsible people. Then there are the Bundys and their ilk. The BLM isn't worried about ranching families like yours. They're worried about the ones who think "all this is mine 'cuz I'm 'Merican."
 
2016-12-29 02:50:10 PM  

HeadLever: make me some tea: I do get that, but in this case that economy isn't supported by ranching. Bunkerville NV is unincorporated with about 1,100 people, most of whom work in Mesquite or Vegas, or are retired. Cattle ranching is not a significant part of that economy, save the Bundys.

Yeah, my point is more of a general one, and circumstances can be very different for different areas.


Right, so that's why this particular case is pretty solid, imho.
 
2016-12-29 02:55:06 PM  

MooseBayou: Federal Land Grab.  It's bad when you do it to the Indians, right?  Good when it happens to someone you don't like?


It was already Federal land, dumbass.
 
2016-12-29 02:59:09 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: The BLM isn't worried about ranching families like yours.


It is not the BLM they are too worried about.  They have had a pretty good relationship with the USFS and BLM, though most of their allotments are on NRA lands and they are a bit difficult (but that is a different story).  Most of their problems originate from the radical environmental organizations that are suing the federal land managers for everything they can in order to eliminate all public lands grazing.  Kind of like this, though this story ends with a bit of justice.

The mantra of "Cattle-Free by 93" is a bit outdated, but there are plenty of groups out there pushing the same agenda.
 
2016-12-29 03:00:35 PM  
"it bypassed Congress and the public"

Epitaph for the Obama administration.
 
2016-12-29 03:01:16 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: And god forbid you bring up the word "conservation" with them. To them, the planet was given to them by God Himself for them to rape


You joke, but that's literally the way a lot of them see it.

They take that line in Genesis about man being given "dominion" over the Earth to mean that they have a God-given right to exploit and drain natural resources however they want.

They also think that conservation or long-term planning indicates a lack of faith, since Jesus will be back at any time now, planning in the long term means doubting that Jesus will come back any day now, because Jesus will come back and God will fix everything before they run out of resources.

/No, not making that up.
//One reason they are so farked up
///One of many
 
2016-12-29 03:04:35 PM  
All these juvenile, last-minute, lame duck moves are great if for no other reason than to setup the leftist for even more butthurt when they are undone by a Republican congress and President.
 
2016-12-29 03:10:06 PM  

Silverstaff: ecmoRandomNumbers: And god forbid you bring up the word "conservation" with them. To them, the planet was given to them by God Himself for them to rape

You joke, but that's literally the way a lot of them see it.

They take that line in Genesis about man being given "dominion" over the Earth to mean that they have a God-given right to exploit and drain natural resources however they want.

They also think that conservation or long-term planning indicates a lack of faith, since Jesus will be back at any time now, planning in the long term means doubting that Jesus will come back any day now, because Jesus will come back and God will fix everything before they run out of resources.

/No, not making that up.
//One reason they are so farked up
///One of many


Oh, I know this very well. I was raised amongst Mormons. When I was a kid, a friend of mine threw a Coke can on the ground and I asked him something like, "Don't you care that you're littering?"

"No, because Jesus is going to come and renew the earth anyway."

That shiat never sat well with me, even when I was a good, active, tithe-paying Mormon. I knew it was wrong. Amongst a host of other things, but that's a story for a different thread.
 
2016-12-29 03:13:47 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: HeadLever: ecmoRandomNumbers: Cattle and horses do much more damage to soil and vegetation than animals like sheep.

In general terms that may be true, but it is still a generalization.  Management practices of many areas have progressed quite a ways from the 50s and 60s in order to address the impacts.  Dispersal, stubble heights and rest/rotations of allotments can really increase the sustainability of these allotments.

/my extended family is 6th generation ranchers using the same allotments

Some people like your family are good stewards of their allotment and responsible people. Then there are the Bundys and their ilk. The BLM isn't worried about ranching families like yours. They're worried about the ones who think "all this is mine 'cuz I'm 'Merican."


Except they are also Sovereign Citizens not subject to Federal Law when it suits them.
 
2016-12-29 03:16:16 PM  

seadoo2006: MooseBayou: Federal Land Grab.  It's bad when you do it to the Indians, right?  Good when it happens to someone you don't like?

Jesus, you liberals truly have no idea what you believe, unless it's to believe it's good that someone you disagree with got farked.

So transparent.  So misled, and ill-used.

If you have an issue with the Antiquities Act, feel free to repeal it. Until then, don't get mad at the President for using powers exclusively reserved for the executive.


Antiquities act wasn't intended to make national parks by executive fiat, but having said that I think its great Obama continues to ignore congress and rules like a dictator, it will make throwing it all back in your face for the next 8 years when Trump does the exact same thing, predictably you will howl and seek coloring books and therapy dogs but I'll be there to remind you who started running down this hallway first.
 
2016-12-29 03:16:56 PM  

Fingerware Error: Baloo Uriza: nhogan84: Ha, he pulled a Bartlett on them.

OK, this one requires an explanation.  The only two Bartlett's I'm coming up with off the top of my head were a pretty unremarkable Oklahoma governor and unsuccessful oilman; and his idiot son, a parking lot magnate recently fired as Mayor of Tulsa.

A TV show called The West Wing had a president Bartlet.


Huh, I was either wrapping up high school or working nights then, so as far as NBC programming was concerned, I was more in the ScrubsFriday Night Videos/Friday Night/Late Friday (they kept changing the name), and Saturday Night Live around then.
 
2016-12-29 03:19:37 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Silverstaff: ecmoRandomNumbers: And god forbid you bring up the word "conservation" with them. To them, the planet was given to them by God Himself for them to rape

You joke, but that's literally the way a lot of them see it.

They take that line in Genesis about man being given "dominion" over the Earth to mean that they have a God-given right to exploit and drain natural resources however they want.

They also think that conservation or long-term planning indicates a lack of faith, since Jesus will be back at any time now, planning in the long term means doubting that Jesus will come back any day now, because Jesus will come back and God will fix everything before they run out of resources.

/No, not making that up.
//One reason they are so farked up
///One of many

Oh, I know this very well. I was raised amongst Mormons. When I was a kid, a friend of mine threw a Coke can on the ground and I asked him something like, "Don't you care that you're littering?"

"No, because Jesus is going to come and renew the earth anyway."

That shiat never sat well with me, even when I was a good, active, tithe-paying Mormon. I knew it was wrong. Amongst a host of other things, but that's a story for a different thread.


The correct answer is, "Maybe so, but for now you're a littering asshole".
 
2016-12-29 03:23:01 PM  
i find this interesting.

A rancher uses the land for his cattle after agreeing to pay fees to do so. He then stops paying fees and continues to use the land for free, deciding that he is entitled to it. He ignores polite governmental warnings to cease and desist. The government starts to get insistent. He chooses to hide behind the Constitution and Bill of Rights as he understands them.

After several years, the government chooses to forcibly remove his cattle from the land and the rancher gains sympathy with the local 'anti-whatever' militia so when the National Guard shows up, these morons meet them with loaded guns. So the military retreats, choosing not to have a bloody confrontation and the rancher and morons celebrate their victory over the 'all encompassing and controlling vile government determined to take away their Rights'.

However, the government is not done. It releases it's most deadly and complex secret weapon, a weapon which has no problem in ripping their target's balls off and disemboweling him at the same time while smiling in his face: The Lawyers.

The Rancher would have received more mercy at the hands of the soldiers.

In the end, the Rancher looses everything. His cattle, his home, his savings, a son winds up in jail, he racks up an enormous amount of debt and all without a shot being fired. His stance on the Bill of Rights and the Constitution as he understands them are shot down in the initial salvo of the governments Lawyers.

The local militia's do not get off unscathed either. The President turns all of the contested territory into a National Monument. Others who used it for grazing and paid fees now have to stop. Those who used sections as their off road playgrounds have to stop.

The rancher finds himself in the unenviable position of being the one person who ruined it for everyone else.

He learns about a Pyrrhic Victory.

He should have just removed his cattle.
 
2016-12-29 03:23:56 PM  

abiigdog: seadoo2006: MooseBayou: Federal Land Grab.  It's bad when you do it to the Indians, right?  Good when it happens to someone you don't like?

Jesus, you liberals truly have no idea what you believe, unless it's to believe it's good that someone you disagree with got farked.

So transparent.  So misled, and ill-used.

If you have an issue with the Antiquities Act, feel free to repeal it. Until then, don't get mad at the President for using powers exclusively reserved for the executive.

Antiquities act wasn't intended to make national parks by executive fiat, but having said that I think its great Obama continues to ignore congress and rules like a dictator, it will make throwing it all back in your face for the next 8 years when Trump does the exact same thing, predictably you will howl and seek coloring books and therapy dogs but I'll be there to remind you who started running down this hallway first.


Antiquities Act
 
2016-12-29 03:25:33 PM  
Wanna hear what the Bundy family says?

"Bundy Ranch Response to Gold Butte National Monument Designation
We, the Bundy Family, would like to say to President Obama that we are saddened, but not surprised, by the your decision to make our ranch and home a national monument. If any of this were really about protecting the land, you would come here, work with the local people who love this land, those who have a vested interest in this land, and take the time to learn what this land really needs. This is about control, pure and simple. You don't love this land, you have never visited here, but you love being in control of this land. The problems we have had with federal land management have never been about cows, tortoises, or fees. It has always been about the constitutional limits on the federal government's authority. While you enjoy a vacation in Hawaii we are here caring for this land and resisting federal overreach. Shame on you for undoing with your pen the good work we have done with our sweat for generations. We call on Attorney General Adam Laxalt to fight this to the fullest extent of the law!"


"...your decision to make our ranch and home a national monument", they say. They seem to be a little confused.
 
2016-12-29 03:26:25 PM  

whidbey: make me some tea: Some pictures of the Gold Butte area:

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And sadly some of the damage to the area by not protecting it. In the desert this sort of scarring lasts decades.

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No worries. That last shot is an excellent place for a KFC.


I'm thinkin Arby's!
 
2016-12-29 03:26:44 PM  

MooseBayou: Federal Land Grab.  It's bad when you do it to the Indians, right?  Good when it happens to someone you don't like?

Jesus, you liberals truly have no idea what you believe, unless it's to believe it's good that someone you disagree with got farked.

So transparent.  So misled, and ill-used.


they aren't "grabbing" any land, title to the land already vested in the US govrnment, all that's changed is that the president has used his authority to decide that the land we already owned should be placed in a category that limits what it can be used for.
 
2016-12-29 03:29:59 PM  

Rik01: Others who used it for grazing and paid fees now have to stop. Those who used sections as their off road playgrounds have to stop.


Why?  National Monuments are not necessarily off-limits to either grazing or ATVs.
 
2016-12-29 03:32:30 PM  
I lean conservative, but I have no problem with this.  It gives better control over the area that should be protected.

I am really intrigued to see how much Obama will try to hamstring Trump and if it will damage his presidency when we look back after a few years.

But this one...good.
 
2016-12-29 03:35:10 PM  

X-Geek: whidbey: make me some tea: Some pictures of the Gold Butte area:

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[img.fark.net image 850x566]

[img.fark.net image 850x566]

[img.fark.net image 850x569]

[img.fark.net image 850x566]

And sadly some of the damage to the area by not protecting it. In the desert this sort of scarring lasts decades.

[img.fark.net image 750x474]

No worries. That last shot is an excellent place for a KFC.

I'm thinkin Arby's!


Crap - I thought this was the last shot
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2016-12-29 03:36:02 PM  

abiigdog: seadoo2006: MooseBayou: Federal Land Grab.  It's bad when you do it to the Indians, right?  Good when it happens to someone you don't like?

Jesus, you liberals truly have no idea what you believe, unless it's to believe it's good that someone you disagree with got farked.

So transparent.  So misled, and ill-used.

If you have an issue with the Antiquities Act, feel free to repeal it. Until then, don't get mad at the President for using powers exclusively reserved for the executive.

Antiquities act wasn't intended to make national parks by executive fiat, but having said that I think its great Obama continues to ignore congress and rules like a dictator, it will make throwing it all back in your face for the next 8 years when Trump does the exact same thing, predictably you will howl and seek coloring books and therapy dogs but I'll be there to remind you who started running down this hallway first.


Protecting and preserving unique natural treasures and petroglyphs. What a jerk.

MilesTeg: All these juvenile, last-minute, lame duck moves are great if for no other reason than to setup the leftist for even more butthurt when they are undone by a Republican congress and President.


"Lefties". Boy, are you guys going to be embarrassed. Well, if any degree of self awareness ever trickles into those pathetic little echo chambers you call brains. And good luck recalling National Monument designations. http://www.pressherald.com/2016/11/12/trumps-election-p​uts-katahdin-ar​ea-national-monument-back-in-spotlight/
 
2016-12-29 03:37:42 PM  

HeadLever: Rik01: Others who used it for grazing and paid fees now have to stop. Those who used sections as their off road playgrounds have to stop.

Why?  National Monuments are not necessarily off-limits to either grazing or ATVs.


Pretty much this, or the Columbia River Gorge would have even less of an economy than it already does.
 
2016-12-29 03:40:52 PM  

cartersdad: It gives better control over the area that should be protected.


Control to who?  Generally, I'd rather prefer the collaborative efforts similar to what was used in Idaho for a number of wilderness designations.  The main issue that I have with National Monument designation that - most often - management is dictated by very few generally without any input for those that work and live in these areas.
 
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