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2004-04-24 1:35:20 AM  
Crap like this really makes me hate people. You come to my house with a bloody wound I will do my best to try and take care of you.

Maybe I was just born with common decency, perhaps these guys had there deceny taken out during the alcohol birth process. /obscure?
 
2004-04-24 3:18:24 AM  
Well that tears it. After we kill all the lawyers, now we have to kill all the doctors.
 
2004-04-24 3:39:09 AM  
No, just kill all of the hospital administrators. I'm sure a doctor would have treated him.
 
2004-04-24 6:09:06 AM  
Again? Wow, this just happened yesterday, too! Same place, city, and time, at that! What a coincidence!
 
2004-04-24 10:02:57 AM  
I bet he won't forget it next time.
 
2004-04-24 10:04:01 AM  
Once again, I thank god for the NHS
 
2004-04-24 10:05:03 AM  
From now on, they need to make a new slogan.

"If you get shot in the head, you get a bed. If your head is bloody, we're your buddy."
 
F42
2004-04-24 10:07:01 AM  
The lesson is, if your appendix is killing you, don't act tough.

Greasy wheel gets the grease, or in this case, the medical attention.
 
2004-04-24 10:07:27 AM  
because having everyone on a national health care system is better than actually saving their lives, right? right?
 
2004-04-24 10:08:23 AM  
Ah ... the Canadian Health Care system (socialized medicine) is so much better than what is found in the U.S.
 
2004-04-24 10:08:44 AM  
"I don't see what we did wrong. I'm not defending the clinic, we just followed the rules."

Sorry to possibly "invoke Godwin's" this early in the game, but over 6 million died in the holocaust because people blindly "followed the rules" without question.

The rules in Ontario is that everyone is insured by law, anyways, and you can always trace down the paperwork later, people should not DIE because of paperwork. But his is Quebec, the docs there must take the same hippocrytical oath as their counterparts in the US do.
 
2004-04-24 10:10:53 AM  
I can understand why they wouldn't consider it an emergency if all he was complaining of was stomach pains.

You can have stomach pains for a *lot* of different reasons.

Not defending what happened.... Just sayin'....

I still think they should have treated him, though.
 
2004-04-24 10:11:48 AM  
Wow! I can't wait until we have a Canadian-style health care system forced on us.

Clearly their way is much better!!

People die Canada waiting for necessary procedures because their health care system is federally run.

Trying to make health care into a 'human right' will put us in this same class.

If this were the US, the emergency room would have treated him and worried about the billing later.
 
F42
2004-04-24 10:14:01 AM  
Shut up with the Quebec/Socialized medecine bashing.
He showed up on foot complaining of mild stomach pains. When asked for his insurance, he said he left it at home. he went to get it, passed out, died.

That has nothing to do with the nature of the system, that's how hospitals and clinics work. He didn't act like it was urgent, so they didn't treat him like it was urgent.

Oh right, Fark...keep on the foreigner bashing then, its what you're here for.
 
2004-04-24 10:14:01 AM  
I agree, we need that Canadian style system. SM for all!
 
2004-04-24 10:15:27 AM  
They failed to recognize apendicitis??!!! That's messed up. I'll never let the US go to national health after hearing this, over my cold dead body will I let that happen.
 
2004-04-24 10:16:10 AM  
It's not the doctors. It's those damn fat triage nurses. They're the most bitter people on the planet. You wanna know why? It's cuz every lowlife pond scum people come in all hours of the day and night, bringing in their kids the second they get a runny nose because the emergency room is the only way they can get free health care. And they pretty much don't give a rat's ass who has what ailment, they go by who was there first, and take their good ol' time. I took my daughter in, she had the flu, was running a fever of 104, and we were there for 45 minutes. She had to throw up, so I ran her into the bathroom, when we came out, I noticed they took the "next" person in line. I knocked on the plexiglass to complain, and she said the thought I left, I would have to get back into the cue. The only thing that saved me was that I raised my voice, biatching, and an on-duty doctor heard. He made her take me in right away, and made her apologize. I wrote a complaint to the hospital about it, but I doubt anything became of it.

This was no isolated incident. I saw a similar thing happen with a guy who had broken his leg.
 
2004-04-24 10:17:13 AM  
maggatola - really? Who? Name them.

I am a Canadian who would like improvement in my HealthCare certainly but backup your statement.
 
2004-04-24 10:17:28 AM  
You leave now. You no pay!
 
2004-04-24 10:18:22 AM  
You think the is would nt have happened if he had forgotten his US health insurance info?
 
2004-04-24 10:21:52 AM  
um, day_old_dutchie in a US emergency room this person would have been treated. This anecdote just proves that burocracy is everywhere, and people die from it everywhere. I have no idea how people can think making it larger (ie. a national health system) can make it better.

Makes about as much sense as a 'National Food system'. Why shouldnt we all be able to eat lobster like Bill Gates???
 
2004-04-24 10:21:55 AM  
Anyone here ever HAD appendicitis? It's not a minor "stomach pain." There's a big difference between appendicitis and your average stomach cramp. The fact that this poor guy didn't know what else to call it except "stomach pains" doesn't excuse anyone. He wasn't a doctor; how in the world was he supposed to know how to convince doctors it was something serious? He shouldn't have to try.

As for the insurance card thing, if everyone has it, why hasn't the info been made easier to transport? I'm not saying a separate card is stupid, but it would make a lot more sense if the info was encoded onto his driver's license or nat'l ID card, since he's more likely to have that on him at any given time... any Canadians want to explain to me why that's not the case?
 
2004-04-24 10:22:25 AM  
I guess the new national anthem will be OWWW, Canada!
 
2004-04-24 10:22:45 AM  
In California, by law, they have to admit ANYONE into the emergency room, covered by insurance or not.

There is a lot of debate right now as to this being the reason health care costs have skyrocketed in California, due to the large number of illegal immigrants who show up at the emergency room, get treated, and never pay up. The burden then falls upon the people belonging to the medical plan and/or the taxpayers.
 
2004-04-24 10:23:07 AM  
2004-04-24 10:04:01 AM Yodas Ugly Brother

Once again, I thank god for the NHS


Funny you should mention that. I know someone who is in the hospital right now who was send home by the NHS because he had a "muscle cramp". After three days flat on his back and a high fever (HUGE internal infection) he was back at the same hospital, non-asshat doctor, who admitted him right away. They said of he had waited any longer to come back he'd be like that Cannadian guy...
 
2004-04-24 10:23:07 AM  
No, no, no... you treat him, THEN you take his house, car, garnish his salary, etc.
 
2004-04-24 10:24:00 AM  
The headline makes it sound a LOT worse than it is. From the sound of it, there's no way they could have known it was an emergency. Appendicitus isn't immediately obvious at the beginning...it's pretty much indistinguishable from an ordinary stomach ache at first. Can't really blame the receptionist for what she did.
 
2004-04-24 10:25:52 AM  
2004-04-24 10:11:48 AM maggatola

Wow! I can't wait until we have a Canadian-style health care system forced on us.

Clearly their way is much better!!

People die Canada waiting for necessary procedures because their health care system is federally run.

Trying to make health care into a 'human right' will put us in this same class.

If this were the US, the emergency room would have treated him and worried about the billing later.


Maybe we would have worried about the billing later, but that's no guarantee that he would have been treated in the States in time to save his life.

He came into the hospital complaining of a "generic" stomach pain, and was dead about four hours later. In most emergency rooms, if you aren't bleeding profusely, or are aren't having a heart attack or stroke, you wait. Depending on how busy the hospital is, you could be waiting 3 or 4 hours to see someone. Not that that may not happen in Canada too, but I've seen it all to often here, even when you do have insurance.
 
2004-04-24 10:26:53 AM  
Quebec? Is that one of the States I haven't heard of? :-)
 
2004-04-24 10:27:01 AM  
America is almost a socialist system in a way, look at all the programs we got going that need to be eleminated\trimmed. Welfare for one, social sec...welfare for one =p
 
2004-04-24 10:27:46 AM  
Gerald Augustin complained of stomach pains on Thursday but the receptionist at the St-Andre medical centre told him he had to return home to get his health card.

Why the hell is the RECEPTIONIST determining whether or not something is an emergency? How about have a doctor, or even a nurse, give people a 5 minute examination just to see whether or not it's an emergency. Yeah, it might cost the hospital a little more, but it will save them money on lawsuits.

The director of the clinic is a complete asshole. "I don't see how we did anything wrong." You turned away someone with a life threatening condition because he didn't have an insurance card. Instead of just saying, "Oh, well, not our fault, we followed the rules" he should be trying to CHANGE the rules or else figure out some other way to keep this from happening again.
 
2004-04-24 10:28:51 AM  
"Greasy wheel gets the grease, or in this case, the medical attention."

That made me laugh.
But this story isn't really a Canadian thing. It probably could have happened anywhere.
 
2004-04-24 10:29:31 AM  
Yeah, the triage nurses that I dealt with when I had a swollen appendix were worse. They had a little huddle behind thier desk and whispered loudly that they thought I was faking it to get drugs from them. Apparently, the copious vomitting, the delerium and the lapsing into unconsciousness could all be faked (the latter 2 I might be able to understand but you shoulda seen what was coming outta me). Anyways, after waiting in triage for 5 hours they told me to go home and sleep it off......yeah, let me just sleep off a potentially fatal condition. I left the hospital and fell into unconsciousness just outside, 2 paramedics brought me and and what do ya know....instant treatment.

Sadly, the Canadian Healthcare system is one of the best in the world. But mistakes happen as proven in his case and mine.
 
2004-04-24 10:29:40 AM  
flambore wrote: ...took my daughter in, she had the flu, was running a fever of 104, ...

I think it's rather strange to take your child to the hospital because of a flu. Don't know how old she was of course, but in the Netherlands this would be a case for the family practitioner. Takes the load off the emergency room.
 
2004-04-24 10:31:05 AM  
herne,

Try here

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1025827796343_2123​6996

and here

http://www.platinumpacific.com/Product%20Tips/Manulife/US_Health%20Car​e_CI.pdf

Single-payer health care gives everyone equally miserable health-care.
 
2004-04-24 10:31:36 AM  
a0helsux

Makes about as much sense as a 'National Food system'. Why shouldnt we all be able to eat lobster like Bill Gates???

The difference is, if you don't get proper health care, you die. If you don't get lobster, you just go get a Big Mac.

/too many uninsured Americans, but socialized medicine isn't the answer either
 
2004-04-24 10:33:22 AM  
Garnish my Celery?! That doesnt even make sense!

/sorry i didnt have anything on topic
 
2004-04-24 10:34:02 AM  
There is a big difference in someone attending with very early appendicitis/infection being seen by a doctor and told to go home but to return if the pain becomes worse like what would have happened to the guy on the NHS and on the other hand coming in with severe stomach pain and not being assessed by anyone medical let alone a doctor and being told to find the iunsurance card before you can even be assessed and then dying - (if he died that quickly it must have been at quite a late stagec and clinically obvious ) -
 
2004-04-24 10:34:39 AM  
Bungalo-

Most family practitioners aren't open 24 hours, and even at that if his daughter is very young say under 7 or has a history of things like this he needs to take her into the ER because A) it could affect her brain/neurological system and B) it could be something else even worse

Most adults would've just taken medicine or something, but a child that sick would (usually) need immediate attention

If I had a kid I wouldn't be willing to take the chance...

******
 
2004-04-24 10:34:49 AM  
this is why i will never practice in Canada, until they get their shiat together and realize that socialized anything doesn't work.
 
2004-04-24 10:35:39 AM  
I think it's rather strange to take your child to the hospital because of a flu. Don't know how old she was of course, but in the Netherlands this would be a case for the family practitioner. Takes the load off the emergency room.

If it was after clinic hours, I can see taking your daughter in with a temp of 104. A temp that high, especially for a child, is getting dangerous.
 
2004-04-24 10:39:31 AM  
This has nothing to do with Canada's health care system. The same thing could have happened anywhere in the world. Here's a little fun exercise for us american farkers.

Drive up to your local hospital and walk in and say, "I'm having stomach pains". Then when they ask you for your insurance say, "I left it at home."

110% chance they send your ass home to get it.

The rule is the same in Canada as it is here in the US. If you show up in the emergency room, claiming an emergency they will treat you no matter what. Everyone else... insurance card please.

TF
 
2004-04-24 10:40:38 AM  
Maybe we would have worried about the billing later, but that's no guarantee that he would have been treated in the States in time to save his life.

He came into the hospital complaining of a "generic" stomach pain, and was dead about four hours later. In most emergency rooms, if you aren't bleeding profusely, or are aren't having a heart attack or stroke, you wait. Depending on how busy the hospital is, you could be waiting 3 or 4 hours to see someone. Not that that may not happen in Canada too, but I've seen it all to often here, even when you do have insurance.


True. Don't have appendicitis on a Friday night or Mondays between 2:00 and 10:00 p.m.

All the US hospitals are legally obligated to treat patients at risk of life or limb if you show up on their doorstep, whether they get paid or not.

At the big city hospitals there is usually a triage nurse at the reception who can tell in about two seconds if someone is really sick, then gets them seen pronto no matter how busy it is. This happened to me twice. I was really sick, and I guess I looked like shiat.

Also in most hospitals there is somebody watching the ER waiting room, or at least lots of company waiting, and if the guy passed out there, they might have saved his life.
 
2004-04-24 10:41:08 AM  
This is more of a "WOW appendicitis sure does suck" than anything else.

He probably would have died in the United states as well..
 
2004-04-24 10:42:33 AM  
People die Canada waiting for necessary procedures because their health care system is federally run.

The problem is that it's not, because the nutbars in Quebec detest anything that smacks of federalism. They are now actually refusing to accept a massive increase in federal aid for their provincial healthcare system because they'd actually have to smarten up and meet the targets the feds attached to it.

The problem with Quebec is that it doesn't know when to surrender...
 
2004-04-24 10:42:50 AM  
This is an horrible event but just how many people die in the US because they don't have the cash to go to a private clinic?

Canada is slowly moving towards a US (private) health system anyway. Not the contrary.

Appendicitis don't kill people. Bureaucracy kills people.
 
2004-04-24 10:44:26 AM  
"Vive le Canadia!!!"

ah, the french.....when will they learn?
 
2004-04-24 10:45:06 AM  
dg41 so if you're poor and have cancer by your logic you would get a band aid and a tylenol. while the rich guy in the next bed get all those nice chemo drugs. btw I work in an er, every day we get at least 3 douchebags with unexplained stomach pain who are just there for codine or morphine. if they don't have their insurance card you can't tell which ones are the drug addicts coming back for more drugs. although they should at least have had an rn at the reception desk. they can usualy tell if some one is faking or not.
 
2004-04-24 10:49:54 AM  
2004-04-24 10:17:28 AM Noble_Knight You leave now. You no pay!

I guess you and I are kind of lucky that Fark doesn't subscribe to the Canadian health care system. We'd be reduced to MSN messenger as a means of getting our ya-yas out.
 
2004-04-24 10:50:17 AM  
The headline makes it sound a LOT worse than it is. From the sound of it, there's no way they could have known it was an emergency. Appendicitus isn't immediately obvious at the beginning...it's pretty much indistinguishable from an ordinary stomach ache at first. Can't really blame the receptionist for what she did.

The hell it isn't! I had it and the pain is very distinguishable from a stomach ache. The pain comes out of know where and gets worst and worst very rapidly. Also the pain is pretty much located to the lower right side of the stomach region, where as a ordinary stomach ache you can feel it all through your stomach.
 
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