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2016-06-10 5:14:39 PM  
All this money being poured into a patch of land due to shake itself upside down.
 
2016-06-10 5:55:41 PM  
You do realize that in the average office building, we give more space to parking spots than people, right?

I mean, I have my serious doubts about the ability of people to get rid of their cars entirely AND leave the city on a regular basis, which'll turn SF into even more of an NYC clone than it already is, but.

/Besides, it's not that bad.  You park in Daly City and BART/Uber/Muni in from there.  20-30 minutes by BART, 15 by uncongested car.
 
2016-06-10 6:06:44 PM  

meyerkev: You do realize that in the average office building, we give more space to parking spots than people, right?


By what measure?
 
2016-06-10 6:11:26 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: meyerkev: You do realize that in the average office building, we give more space to parking spots than people, right?

By what measure?


Square feet per person.

From the most important book you will ever read: http://www.garreau.com/main.cfm?action=chapters&id=36

HOW MUCH TOTAL SPACE IS REQUIRED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF AN OFFICE WORKER: Two hundred and fifty square feet. (Actually, this can vary from 175 to 350 square feet depending on market conditions. But the rule of thumb is four workers per thousand square feet.)

HOW MUCH TOTAL SPACE IS REQUIRED TO PARK THE CAR OF THE OFFICE WORKER: Four hundred square feet.

HOW MUCH SPACE A HUMAN TAKES UP, RELATIVE TO HOW MUCH SPACE HIS CAR TAKES UP: Five-eighths.


Even better, that number dropped from 250 to 130, and in tech companies is actually under OSHA minimums.
 
2016-06-10 7:57:56 PM  

meyerkev: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: meyerkev: You do realize that in the average office building, we give more space to parking spots than people, right?

By what measure?


Square feet per person.

From the most important book you will ever read: http://www.garreau.com/main.cfm?action=chapters&id=36


I tried to check out what you were talking about, but I just got a wall of text full of fallacious aphorisms and {{citation needed}}. Is this one of those sites that only renders correctly in IE?
 
2016-06-10 8:07:33 PM  

Jclark666: meyerkev: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: meyerkev: You do realize that in the average office building, we give more space to parking spots than people, right?

By what measure?


Square feet per person.

From the most important book you will ever read: http://www.garreau.com/main.cfm?action=chapters&id=36

I tried to check out what you were talking about, but I just got a wall of text full of fallacious aphorisms and {{citation needed}}. Is this one of those sites that only renders correctly in IE?


Fair enough.


An examination of office projects in the works finds 834,000 square feet of additional office space under construction in the city, with an additional 1.3 million square feet proposed. With this alone, the city could add 9,480 to 16,400 employees, using a range that is reportedly now typical of how employees are now squeezed into Mountain View office buildings.

http://www.mv-voice.com/news/2014/04/11/city-poised-for-unprecedented​-​office-growth

So that's between 50 and 95 square feet per employee.

A Toyota Camry is 191″ L x 72″ W.  Or 16 * 6.  That's 96.  Add on a foot of buffer on every side, and of course, all that space in the parking lot/garage that isn't parking spots...
 
2016-06-10 8:56:34 PM  
What car? San Francisco is a city, not a suburb.
 
2016-06-10 8:59:50 PM  

MrEricSir: What car? San Francisco is a city, not a suburb.


And last weekend, it took me an hour to get from Ghirardelli Square to Powell Street and another half hour to get back from there to my car in Daly City parking.

Total trip distance: 10 miles.  San Francisco does not have functional mass transit.

That's not to mention that if you ever want to leave that city for a day trip (and we've got some fine day/weekend trips near here), you're going to want a car for that.
 
2016-06-10 10:04:02 PM  

meyerkev: MrEricSir: What car? San Francisco is a city, not a suburb.

And last weekend, it took me an hour to get from Ghirardelli Square to Powell Street and another half hour to get back from there to my car in Daly City parking.

Total trip distance: 10 miles.  San Francisco does not have functional mass transit.


Which is why exactly eliminating private vehicles along bus/train routes is absolutely essential. No functional transit system in the world forces buses to contented with traffic jams caused by private vehicles.

Muni knows this and they've started -- albeit slowly -- rolling out transit only lanes across the city.
 
2016-06-10 10:13:57 PM  

MrEricSir: meyerkev: MrEricSir: What car? San Francisco is a city, not a suburb.

And last weekend, it took me an hour to get from Ghirardelli Square to Powell Street and another half hour to get back from there to my car in Daly City parking.

Total trip distance: 10 miles.  San Francisco does not have functional mass transit.

Which is why exactly eliminating private vehicles along bus/train routes is absolutely essential. No functional transit system in the world forces buses to contented with traffic jams caused by private vehicles.

Muni knows this and they've started -- albeit slowly -- rolling out transit only lanes across the city.


Great.

Which moves the buses from 5 MPH to 7 MPH.
 
2016-06-10 10:35:42 PM  

meyerkev: MrEricSir: meyerkev: MrEricSir: What car? San Francisco is a city, not a suburb.

And last weekend, it took me an hour to get from Ghirardelli Square to Powell Street and another half hour to get back from there to my car in Daly City parking.

Total trip distance: 10 miles.  San Francisco does not have functional mass transit.

Which is why exactly eliminating private vehicles along bus/train routes is absolutely essential. No functional transit system in the world forces buses to contented with traffic jams caused by private vehicles.

Muni knows this and they've started -- albeit slowly -- rolling out transit only lanes across the city.

Great.

Which moves the buses from 5 MPH to 7 MPH.


Bus rapid transit works great in cities all over the globe -- why do you specifically think it wouldn't in San Francisco?
 
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2016-06-10 10:35:58 PM  

MrEricSir: What car? San Francisco is a city, not a suburb.


At this point, it's more of a theme park than anything else.
 
2016-06-10 10:52:53 PM  

MrEricSir: meyerkev: MrEricSir: meyerkev: MrEricSir: What car? San Francisco is a city, not a suburb.

And last weekend, it took me an hour to get from Ghirardelli Square to Powell Street and another half hour to get back from there to my car in Daly City parking.

Total trip distance: 10 miles.  San Francisco does not have functional mass transit.

Which is why exactly eliminating private vehicles along bus/train routes is absolutely essential. No functional transit system in the world forces buses to contented with traffic jams caused by private vehicles.

Muni knows this and they've started -- albeit slowly -- rolling out transit only lanes across the city.

Great.

Which moves the buses from 5 MPH to 7 MPH.

Bus rapid transit works great in cities all over the globe -- why do you specifically think it wouldn't in San Francisco?


Dwell time.  They're still required to stop every 2 blocks to pick up passengers.

BRT will make them 40% faster, which will.... move them from 5 to 7 MPH.

/They'll also still suffer from the massive capacity, coverage, and headway problems that they suffer from now.
//And politically speaking, no one wants to make it better because that might drive down property values.
 
2016-06-10 11:34:24 PM  

meyerkev: Dwell time.  They're still required to stop every 2 blocks to pick up passengers.


Nope. More like every four blocks, at least with the Van Ness BRT plan. This is in line with typical BRT stop spacing. They didn't do this on Mission Street, but you can always take the 14-R which only hits major stops.

meyerkev: //And politically speaking, no one wants to make it better because that might drive down property values.


That's a whole other can of worms, but generally speaking, speeding up travel time doesn't decrease property values. If anything it may increase them in more remote areas like the Excelsior and Bayview since commute times would be quicker.
 
2016-06-11 1:05:36 AM  

meyerkev: it took me an hour to get from Ghirardelli Square to Powell Street


pffft thats a 40 minute walk
 
2016-06-11 1:25:30 AM  

E.S.Q.: meyerkev: it took me an hour to get from Ghirardelli Square to Powell Street

pffft thats a 40 minute walk


Yeah....

So I was kinda tired because I had been walking around SF all day, and was doing my usual trick of hiking up to the top of Lombard Street to get on where the tourists get off and then getting on the cable car (which is the best way of getting from the ship tours to BART, since the F was full).  It uh... didn't work.
 
2016-06-11 11:31:26 AM  

meyerkev: You park in Daly City and BART/Uber/Muni in from there.  20-30 minutes by BART


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You really need to start checking your numbers, dude. That's just bad.
 
2016-06-11 12:07:15 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: meyerkev: You park in Daly City and BART/Uber/Muni in from there.  20-30 minutes by BART

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You really need to start checking your numbers, dude. That's just bad.


The trains run twice every 25 minutes.  20 and 5 minutes apart.  Most of that time is waiting.
 
2016-06-11 2:20:46 PM  
And it's  been 49 minutes to get to the Presidio from Daly City.

Not bad traffic, just stops.  Stops everywhere.
 
2016-06-11 4:21:06 PM  

meyerkev: MrEricSir: meyerkev: MrEricSir: What car? San Francisco is a city, not a suburb.

And last weekend, it took me an hour to get from Ghirardelli Square to Powell Street and another half hour to get back from there to my car in Daly City parking.

Total trip distance: 10 miles.  San Francisco does not have functional mass transit.

Which is why exactly eliminating private vehicles along bus/train routes is absolutely essential. No functional transit system in the world forces buses to contented with traffic jams caused by private vehicles.

Muni knows this and they've started -- albeit slowly -- rolling out transit only lanes across the city.

Great.

Which moves the buses from 5 MPH to 7 MPH.


and nobody EVER double parks.  Certainly not on Mission.
 
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