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(SFGate)   Software pirates: Turn yourself in by month's end or you'll REALLY get it   ( divider line
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7306 clicks; posted to Main » on 26 Dec 2001 at 2:22 PM (18 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook

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2001-12-26 2:24:09 PM  
Bring it on!!
2001-12-26 2:25:14 PM  
2001-12-26 2:28:35 PM  
The BSA is so funny. They're almost PETA-like in their scare tactics. Dallas has already passed it "month long grace" period, so I guess I'd better get off the internet before they find me.
2001-12-26 2:32:22 PM  
...another story from old as the hills news...

BSA has doing this all over the country for most of the last year. They send out threatening letters and air ads encouraging disgruntled employees to turn in their employers. They have absolutely no legal authority to come into your office and do an audit without involving law enforcement. fark em.

BSA is no better than RIAA.
2001-12-26 2:33:41 PM  
In other news, has seen a 75% reduction in the amount of "Photoshop This" contributions due to Adobe Software hunting down and killing users of pirated copies of Photoshop.
2001-12-26 2:34:22 PM  
wouldnt it be funny if the bsa got busted for using pirated copies of windowsxp? :P
2001-12-26 2:36:40 PM  
They BSA is a bunch of bullshiat artists. The only way that they are able to find anybody is by offering kickbacks to employees who turn in their company. Of course they do not play up the fact that a lot of times the employee has installed unliscenced software on their company computer, without the company's knowledge, before quitting or being fired and then alerts the BSA. It gets challenged in court but the company has very little recorse so they end up getting screwed.

The BSA is really more about corporate extortion than protecting intellectual property rights.
2001-12-26 2:37:12 PM  
Last I heard the BSA has taken action against exactly zero businesses or persons.
They should be sued for false advertising. "I want you to try to farking audit me, damnit! You promised that if I didn't comply you would. That sounds to me like and offer for exchange of services. I didn't comply, but you still haven't audited me!"
2001-12-26 2:37:45 PM  
Here's an anecdote. My boss runs a small company with about 10 employees, and she needed recording software so that she could record phone calls on the computers instead of on mini cassettes. She bought software to do this for about $6000--pretty steep for a small business. Then, in order for her to be able to put the program on more than one computer, she needed an extra $3000 for EACH license. That's $12,000 for four computers, plus the $6000 dollars for the program.

That's complete bullshiat. If you spend that much for a program, you shouldn't have to spend so much more so that you can use it on multiple computers.

I say that we register all of our software the minute Photoshop costs $50 instead of about $300 or more.
2001-12-26 2:40:09 PM  
Doesn't affect me. :)
2001-12-26 2:43:52 PM  
HEY! BSA! Yeah, the dipshiats in DC that are parading around like the RIAA. I got a revo-farking-lutionary idea for youse guys to reduce piracy:

1) Don't make POS software. Give us something we'd buy for real.
2) LOWER YOUR farkING PRICES. Simple, novel concept as it will reduce piracy, and increase volume, and with the price cut, in time you will make up for the cut in volume. Very simplistic.
3) Read 1 and 2!

It's too bad they can't think of things like this... you're willing to overpay for software, right? I'm not.
2001-12-26 2:52:09 PM  
Thank Allah I don't own a business and only use my pirated software for personal use. that is legal, right???
2001-12-26 2:53:02 PM  
Dalyse: You're under arrest.
2001-12-26 2:53:20 PM  
We got a letter last November from The BSA. They are probably running radio commercials on many stations as well.
Most of the companies that the BSA pops are due to disgruntled employees.
2001-12-26 2:53:47 PM  
BSA = Pitbull with no teeth.

All bark and no bite.
2001-12-26 2:54:17 PM  

"you better turn yourself in...or you gonna get such a PINCH!"

2001-12-26 2:55:56 PM  
"The program will target San Francisco, San Jose and Oakland, as well as several cities in Montana, Virginia and Florida".... what... people in Montana know how to pirate software... that's a itself
2001-12-26 2:58:13 PM  
So MS, Apple, and Adobe pay the BSA to "root out" the evil businesses that pirate software. Then the BSA goes and spends that money on radio ads??? Something tells me that the folks at the BSA have hefty salaries!!!
2001-12-26 2:59:28 PM  
To BSA (and RIAA for that matter):

Quit biatching. If you wouldn't push OVERPRICED goods at us we wouldn't do this. Besides you get your money. We know you do so stop being so damned greedy.
2001-12-26 2:59:53 PM  
Every piece of software I own valued at more than $100 is pirated. As is most software under $100, save a few good games and windows xp, (which Dell shoves down your throat)

The BSA can suck my pirate cock
2001-12-26 3:06:15 PM  
If y'all don't pay up soon Bill's gonna have to eat baloney sandwiches for dinner, mow his own lawn, and wash his own (used Pontiac) car!!
2001-12-26 3:08:23 PM  
$50 photoshop?

I'd buy that for a dollar.
2001-12-26 3:10:19 PM  
Shiver Me Timbers, Blow Me Down, Ahoy Matey, Arggggggg, We are Family, etc...
2001-12-26 3:11:30 PM  
Just wondering how many of you would enjoy a good meal at a five-star restaurant, than skip out on paying the bill because you thought their prices were too high.
2001-12-26 3:14:06 PM  
Come on, people. Will reduction in cost really reduce pirating? Let's be honest now. How many of you have pirated a $50 game?
2001-12-26 3:21:41 PM  
Quick1: I have. And if I like it, I buy it. However, I have never purchased any software that costs over $60.
2001-12-26 3:22:24 PM  
The BSA sent me a little fold-out card with an LED that starts blinking when you open it up. I should have isolated it and called the bomb-squad. I wonder how'd they'd like to talk to law enforcement about sending terroristic mail.
2001-12-26 3:22:29 PM  
I don't really play games that often. If I were to pirate a game, it wouldn't be because I couldn't buy it, I just wouldn't play it enough to spend the money on it. It's much like a snowmobile. I won't spend the money on it because I dont' have the time to use it during the winter.

This is basic econonics: As price goes down, demand goes up. If all software cost 5 dollars, I don't think piracy would even really exist. If all software cost 1000 dollars, it would be a lot worse than it currently is.

Companies spend a LOT of money just mangaging their licenses, and it is virtually impossible for any moderately-sized company to be "compliant" simply because of the number of computers out there, and the arcane and absurd licensing programs companies like MS have.
2001-12-26 3:25:17 PM  
Code_Archaeologist BSA may actually stand for "Bull shiat Artists"
their real name is just a cover
2001-12-26 3:25:24 PM  
20/20 If you want to keep going with that analogy though the five-star restraunt would only serve chicken. Sure it would be good chicken, and quite a few varieties of chicken. But still nothing but chicken. Also the restraunt would be under investigation by the government for poor sanitary standards and a high instance of diners getting salmonella. Also even though it is a five star restraunt the service sucks, the waiters are rude, and your orders are commonly served wrong, to which you are told, "that is a feature of our restraunt."

So yeah sure the food tastes really good, if you like chicken, and there is a really good chance of my getting sick and having the hershey squirts for a week, and the service sucked... yeah I might be inclined to skip the check on that one. Especially if, following the analogy, this was THE ONLY restraunt in existence.
2001-12-26 3:26:51 PM  
20/20: If it was the only one in town and their wasn't a cheap one in sight, I would...
2001-12-26 3:30:32 PM  
They may take away my ability to pirate software, but they'll never get my electronic parrot and digital eyepatch!

ARR! Make them swab the deck... or even better, clean all the cracker crumbs out of our keyboards.

2001-12-26 3:32:04 PM  
2001-12-26 3:32:31 PM  
This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down.
2001-12-26 3:36:48 PM  
I think that this might be a sign that we should at least try to go for something open source(like most of the important software on the internet is) nevermind buying windows XP(Xtra Pricy) for your home computer, go out and buy yourself a book, or check out some tutorials on linux. It is a MUCH better OS, there is much less of a learning curve than there was, and the OS and most of the software for it are freely downloadable off of the internet. Big photoshop freak? Check out gimp! it is as powereful as photoshop, with a slightly different interface.(you can even download the windows version for free off of the net.)

I once was one of the people that considered the software Giants the only realistic places to look for OS's and stuff... but I am so glad that I grew out of that.
2001-12-26 3:39:06 PM  
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2001-12-26 3:44:06 PM  
20/20's argument is sooooo funny. Luckily, I currently own over $10,000 worth of software, and I'm happy with chicken pot pie!!!
2001-12-26 3:51:18 PM thing we Montanan's are excellant pirates especially when we're driving under the influence.
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2001-12-26 3:53:31 PM  
Dalyse, correct term. If I take your term correct, you stole over $10,000 of software, saying you own it implies legitimate possession.

Yeah, I'm one of those bonehead programmers who spends late hours working on software for people to use, plus also works on the tech support line for those unable to figure it out. Silly me, thinking I ought to get paid for it.
2001-12-26 4:03:12 PM  
"The BSA, based in Washington, D.C., estimates software publishers lose about $12 billion a year worldwide due to software piracy"

thats bullshiat!

its like setting up a stand and selling beer for $10 a bottle, then leaving dozens of bottles of beer scattered about the place around your stand, and for every person who picks a beer up off the ground instead of paying you for one, you count as a $10 loss, but most of the people wouldnt have paid you $10 for the beer in the 1st place. They only drank it cause it was free!
2001-12-26 4:12:51 PM  
BSA= Llamas.

Software piracy is even more unstoppable than terrorism or the tree-huggers. Why do the BSA think they could stop it?
2001-12-26 4:20:34 PM  
"counterfeit software"

Hey Adobe really did make my Adobe Photoshop, not some copy comp. in China. But it still does not mean that I paid for it!
2001-12-26 4:31:46 PM  

Gamewise, I don't buy new stuff. I just picked up the Starcraft chest for $20 a couple months ago. Sure, old stuff, but I'm having fun. Them's the economics I can deal with. I don't bother copying a disk, etc., because I want the instruction manuals, etc.
2001-12-26 4:49:11 PM  
Gadget Don: My guess is you ARE getting paid, unless you've been programming for free for the past few years. And I don't think you'd be getting paid any more if there was no piracy.
2001-12-26 5:02:13 PM  
You steal software then you deserve to go to jail. I hope all you shiat sacks get what's coming to you!
2001-12-26 5:19:46 PM  
Fb- try trolling on a forum where you actually know what the fark is going on. You see this ride is for the adult farkers, why don't you go back to the bin Laden forum and call everybody terrorist huggers, I am sure they will appreciate that.
2001-12-26 5:27:11 PM  
Radical, my company, like most tech companies, is having a lot of trouble making it. And if those who use my programs would all pay for them, yeah, we'd be doing better and I'd be paid more. Yeah, yeah, I've heard the "but you don't think we'd BUY it, do you???" If the choice was, pay for it or can't use it, yeah, some people would. For those who wouldn't, why the hell do you get to freeload off my work? If it ain't worth you paying for, don't use it.
2001-12-26 5:37:24 PM  
And the answer to "It's too expensive" is simple. Don't use it. I do think Photoshop is too expensive (certainly too expensive for what I want to accomplish). So I don't use it, I bought the more reasonably priced Paint Shop Pro instead. I may think that Photoshop is priced too high, but I'm not the person who wrote it, I'm not the person who tested it, I'm not the person who wrote the manual, I'm not the person who had to support it. So I have no claim to use Photoshop if I'm not going to pay what they ask for it.
2001-12-26 5:52:17 PM  
Fb- is the adult here, as far as I can see, although I wouldn't jail offenders - a hefty fine is enough. I use many thousands of dollars worth of software, each and every piece of which I paid for from my own pocket. There's plenty of excellent freeware/shareware (Gimp is a good Photoshop substitute, for example) around if you can't afford the cost of the commercial products. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who get their butts in a wringer for illegal copying. The only thing I hate worse is the BSA for its attitude. Consequently, I'm not rooting for either side.
2001-12-26 5:53:34 PM  
Code_Archeologist: The analogy I was using about the restaurant was not the best, perhaps, but you could substitute any service or product and still make the same point. Some people are saying that they steal software because its' price is too high relative to its' value. The right thing to do is either pay for the software, or not use it at all. I would guess that price has some bearing as to whether or not people buy their own copy of something, but I think the main reason millions of people copy software, videos, and music is simply because they can get away with it. The is very little chance that people will be caught and prosecuted for stealing these products.
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