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5085 clicks; posted to Main » on 26 Dec 2001 at 4:33 AM (18 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2001-12-26 4:41:16 AM  
Yes, I am not real.
 
2001-12-26 4:50:08 AM  
I'm pretty sure I am... if I look close everything seems pixle-y. Oh, and the constant error messages in my life are starting to get annoying.
 
2001-12-26 4:51:45 AM  
I LIVE IN THE MATRIX!
 
2001-12-26 4:52:14 AM  
There is no spoon...
 
2001-12-26 4:56:52 AM  
I think this simulation sucks, just like the real thing.

Now, if I were to create a simulation, I'd be damn sure to remember the dragons.
 
2001-12-26 5:26:37 AM  
Oww...I only read the introduction and my head hurts...

3Horn
 
2001-12-26 5:32:50 AM  
Why is this on fark? The average farker has to look up the ol' dickshunary just to figure out what 'preliminary' means...Who submitted this? Did they understand it? How far did they read? COuld you give us a translation?
 
2001-12-26 6:15:14 AM  
Yes! And I beg you, hit the reboot button.
 
2001-12-26 6:17:07 AM  
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Well, duh!
 
2001-12-26 6:19:46 AM  
Maybe it's just me, but that article was AWESOME. But then, I used to hang around the Transhumanism and the Extropian mailing lists.
 
2001-12-26 6:22:09 AM  
say wha....!? I think i'll come back to that when i don't have a christmas hangover
 
2001-12-26 6:26:51 AM  
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2001-12-26 6:34:03 AM  
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2001-12-26 6:34:33 AM  
sorry, i know it's old. but it's classic.

sorry again. hah.
 
2001-12-26 7:03:00 AM  
My life is filled with so much chaos, confusion, and nonsense, that could not possibly be written into a computer program.
 
2001-12-26 7:29:05 AM  
If we are living in a simulation it would mean your braincells can't die from excessive alcohol abuse. Half the people on this board prove the simulation-theory to be wrong.
 
2001-12-26 7:37:55 AM  
I suppose my tax dollars went into this crap project.
 
2001-12-26 8:01:56 AM  
I just hope it's not a Microsoft program.
 
2001-12-26 8:42:26 AM  
Maybe the scientific value of ancestor-simulations to a posthuman civilization is negligible (which is not too implausible given its unfathomably superior intellectual sophistication), and maybe posthumans regard recreational activities as merely a very inefficient way of getting pleasure - which can be obtained much more cheaply by direct stimulation of the brain's reward centers.

Someday, we're all going to be really really smart, and all be able to pleasure ourselves (that is, directly). Sweeeet.

Then we won't need to bother making simulations of entire universes, just for the hell of it.
 
2001-12-26 8:44:43 AM  
Unfortunately, my simulation only has EGA graphics. And a one channel internal speaker.
 
2001-12-26 8:52:58 AM  
...posthuman.... Is that even a word???
 
2001-12-26 8:53:36 AM  
"you think that's air you're breathing"?
 
2001-12-26 8:54:11 AM  
Well, it must be a pretty good simulation since it remembers to put corn and peanuts in my poo about a day after I eat such food items.

Tourettes is cool.
 
2001-12-26 8:59:33 AM  
To whomever is running my simulation:
How about a winning Ohio Super Lotto ticket simulation?

SomeCallMeTim: Maybe the WTC Disaster was indeed Microsoft based, and those of us that are still alive are running on Linux?
 
2001-12-26 9:09:46 AM  
Hmmm... If life just a simulation, then I can put this ciggarette lighter on my nuts and feel no paiOUFGHJGGDJHFJHDJBDHJFV!!!!!!! Jesus Christ!
 
2001-12-26 9:15:52 AM  
I think the goal of philosophy is similar to speaking in l33t: to be as incomprehensible as possible to make yourself look smart.

And this person sure does make a lot of assumptions about the future. His arguments seems to be along the lines of, "Assume A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I and J....the only conlusion to be drawn is K!"

Even if the Universe WAS a simulation, would it matter? Reality is fashioned inside our minds anyway (for example, what you see isn't neccessarily what's out there, it's simply what your brain is telling you is out there. If you want a demonstration just look at any optical illusion: your brain is telling you about stuff that isn't happening.) And before you start, I was not using the word "telling" literally.

There is a very clear reason why this sort of trash isn't science: all these "proofs" are non-flasifiable. For example, I could say my cat (named Willie) created the entire Universe when he was born five years ago. Of course, you could say you have memories of events that occured six years ago. But, I would say, Willie just created you with those memories to make you THINK there was a time before five years ago. What is important is not that I can't prove this is true, but that I can't accept evidence that this is FALSE. Bah. Bad science.

Or, maybe I'm just ticked that one of my presents this christmas was a belt. A farking belt. Call me materialistic, but when I think christmas, I don't think "Oh boy! BELTS!" If this is a sim, someone programmed it with a terrible sense of humor.
 
2001-12-26 9:35:56 AM  
To whomever is running my simulation:

Please delete the following elements (replace with elements in parentheses).

-My car (2002 Ford Thunderbird)
-My bank balance ($10,000,000)
-My apartment (something nicer with all utilities covered)

Thank you.
 
2001-12-26 10:23:20 AM  
Someone took the Matrix just a bit too seriously.
 
2001-12-26 11:01:04 AM  
Philosophy's cool.
 
2001-12-26 11:23:14 AM  
Dear posthuman ancestor-simulator operator guy,

Please add this to your to-do list for me:
random sexual encounters with virgin supermodels

And keep it on the DL for my simulated wife.

Thanks
 
2001-12-26 11:24:31 AM  
This is the kind of article that makes me embarrassed to be going into philosophy as a profession.
 
2001-12-26 11:44:59 AM  
The real tragedy here, is that this guy probably teaches at a state college or university supported by taxpayer funds. It's an unnecessary waste of money, when all you need to do is dig up the septic tank.

Most philosophers of symbolic logic that I have met (5 or 6 in my life) are both pretentious assholes and excellent snakeoil salesmen.
 
2001-12-26 11:45:52 AM  
There seems to be an assumption that the posthuman ancestor-simulator operators are using the simulation for *pleasure*.

It may be for information. They may be able to learn things via the simulation that they cannot in their usual existance, or in much accelerated fashion.

Alternately the simulation could be for punishment.
 
2001-12-26 11:55:01 AM  
Rule based, or neural?

Oh wait, that should have been:
Predestination, or free will?

The problem is that to create the kind of memory space required would be comparible to creating a universe. The sensory input of one indiviual would be somewhat easier, and that would be probably the first experiment tryed.

Now, which one of you people thinks that you are real?
 
2001-12-26 12:09:17 PM  
Two thoughts occur two me after reading this:

1) Some folks just can't handle their high. Dude, put the pipe down the next time you watch a movie.

2) I was always partial to the thought that my life was actually a bad sitcom. Dorky geek with a lesbian ex-wife and quirky buddies? It's just like friends!

AAAGH! The horror ... the horror ...
 
2001-12-26 12:13:08 PM  
Pick: From one northeastern ohioan to another, you don't think Cleveland really could be *real*, do ya?

*grin*
 
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2001-12-26 12:21:48 PM  
The magic 8-ball said 'Ask again later.'
 
2001-12-26 12:31:45 PM  
Rene Descarte raised approxiamately the same sort of question in the 17th Century ...

And some Eastern religions have it that ALL is illusion and when Krishna (or whomever) finally wakes up out of this dream of his, everything will disappear into non-existance because that's what everything is: a gigantic dream ... and we are ALL illusions in this so-called dream.
 
2001-12-26 12:34:15 PM  
"Life is Sorrow, Sorrow is Life - ooh, are those Cheetos?"
 
2001-12-26 12:44:54 PM  
Two things come to mind. The first is that if this is all a simulation then there is some limit to the computational complexity. That is, at some point someone is going to try to do something so complex that the computer will not be able to do it. Who knows why, maybe it is the point of the whole thing, see how fast you can break the simulation. My question is, what happens then? Does some scientist guy get a pop up window a foot away from his face saying he generated a memory out of bounds error? Is there a splash screen and it shows all the characters like in Super Mario 2, cause that would be rad.

My other thought would be that this would be a pretty effective version of hell. Suppose you do something to piss of the big cheese in the hypothetical technologically advanced super civilization. Well, into the simulation of the crappy old twenty first century you go for a few thousand lifetimes.
 
2001-12-26 12:48:40 PM  
If I see ONE MORE damned MATRIX PARODY I think I'm gonna EXPLODE!!! ...Oh... this wasn't a parody? This was real? Sorry about the yelling. Carry on.
 
2001-12-26 12:54:52 PM  
Well if this a sim, my config.cfg needs some editing...

set name "Seymour_Gibbs"
set bnk_balance "10000000000"
set aut_car "D_Viper"
//set appearance "pasty white"
set g/f "B_Spears", boobie multiplier "10"

etc.
 
2001-12-26 1:07:27 PM  
Is this related to that Aristotle/Cave thing?
 
2001-12-26 1:08:07 PM  
Guys, I am usually not a Grammar Nazi, but please stop abusing "whomever."

"To whomever is running the simulation" No, this is wrong. You wouldn't say "Him is running the simulation." so "whoever" is correct here.

"Belts and other crappy gifts go to whomever the simulation doesn't favor." You'd say "The simulation doesn't favor him." so "whomever" is OK here.

I apologize.
 
2001-12-26 1:10:34 PM  
Radiofreewill, rotflmfao!
 
2001-12-26 1:18:12 PM  
To quote OGRE from Revenge of the Nerds II..'What if the letters D-O-G really spelled 'CAT'...hmmm..there something else to think about...
 
2001-12-26 1:23:01 PM  
This is the very reason I attended college on the Internet, cause those Ivy League schools wouldn't take my virtual money.
 
2001-12-26 1:30:42 PM  
In my opinion, anyone with sufficient data to create said simulation probably doesn't need to create said simulation. I mean, If you have enough information to recreate the world, what could to possibly learn? Unless you had every bit of data about the world at any given time, then your sim would not be accurate, therefore rendering the sim useless.
 
2001-12-26 1:57:02 PM  
... you mean to tell me that THE PROGRAMMER put in the whole 9-11 thingy?
 
2001-12-26 2:02:52 PM  
Perhaps we're all just a figment of the Universe's imagination.

*strokes goatee in contemplative manner*
 
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