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(Popular Science)   Your airplane has a better chance of crashing into a turtle rather than a drone   (popsci.com) divider line
    More: Strange, drones, Bird, Airport, FAA, unmanned flying vehicle, libertarian Mercatus Center, small drones, collaborator Sam Hammond  
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2015-12-18 9:30:36 AM  
So you're saying the FAA needs to start regulating turtles, then?
 
2015-12-18 9:49:37 AM  
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2015-12-18 9:53:41 AM  
HEY LOOK GUYS! I found a libertarian who's opposed to regulation regardless of the facts!
 
2015-12-18 9:57:42 AM  
I'm also more likely to get struck by lightning than assaulted by a terrorist. I should be OK with terrorist assaults, then?
 
2015-12-18 9:58:45 AM  
So, turtles can fly now. Ya learn something every day.
 
2015-12-18 10:25:55 AM  
I'm still curious how they plan on enforcing registration of these things.
 
2015-12-18 10:48:18 AM  

Endive Wombat: I'm still curious how they plan on enforcing registration of these things.


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Hey, it's got to be good for something besides making popcorn. ;p
 
2015-12-18 11:06:07 AM  

Endive Wombat: I'm still curious how they plan on enforcing registration of these things.


If you keep it on your property they'll probably never know.   If you crash one in a public place and the police find it before you do, or you're flying it in a public place and a policeman or FAA agent asks you to bring it down to check the registration though you could be farked if you don't have one.

Since it's only $5 it's probably better safe than sorry.
 
2015-12-18 11:08:30 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Endive Wombat: I'm still curious how they plan on enforcing registration of these things.

If you keep it on your property they'll probably never know.   If you crash one in a public place and the police find it before you do, or you're flying it in a public place and a policeman or FAA agent asks you to bring it down to check the registration though you could be farked if you don't have one.


that's pretty much how it works with real planes.
 
2015-12-18 11:25:00 AM  
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2015-12-18 11:35:10 AM  
I was going to suggest little fences to keep the turtles off the runways, but clearly they are already ahead of the game in this arms race.

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2015-12-18 12:33:37 PM  

Eli WhiskeyDik: So, turtles can fly now. Ya learn something every day.


As God is my witness...

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2015-12-18 12:34:12 PM  
The turtle moves!
 
2015-12-18 12:34:46 PM  
Cry moar, droneholes.
 
2015-12-18 12:35:49 PM  

Eli WhiskeyDik: So, turtles can fly now. Ya learn something every day.


Ahem...
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2015-12-18 12:37:12 PM  
Well, duh...

Turtles fly WAY slower.
 
2015-12-18 12:37:52 PM  
Yes, because airplanes typically don't go anywhere near refugee hospitals
 
2015-12-18 12:39:47 PM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: I'm also more likely to get struck by lightning than assaulted by a terrorist. I should be OK with terrorist assaults, then?


NO, we should ban lightning obviously... derp.
 
2015-12-18 12:40:14 PM  
The article misses the point that people don't always obey the law. This isn't to annoy people who obey the altitude and 5 mile rule. It is to try and provide some accountability for operators so when a drone wanders near an airport they can track down the owner easier.

I can't stop wildlife dangers unless I nuke a 50 miles radius around each airport, I can make someone think twice about flying a drone near the end of a runway.
 
2015-12-18 12:40:18 PM  
Also more likely to die driving to the airport than I am being hijacked or killed on an airplane.  Should be ban the TSA?

Wait....yes we should.
 
2015-12-18 12:41:21 PM  
From my perspective as an air traveler, a better chance of crashing would be lower, not higher
 
2015-12-18 12:41:23 PM  

Free Radical: Eli WhiskeyDik: So, turtles can fly now. Ya learn something every day.

Ahem...
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Thank you. Now I don't have to post my Gamera tattoo pics. Everyone's a winner!

/full of turtle meat
 
2015-12-18 12:41:59 PM  
The biggest safety issue with the drones is the "hold my beer" crowd.
 
2015-12-18 12:42:49 PM  

Eli WhiskeyDik: So, turtles can fly now. Ya learn something every day.


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2015-12-18 12:45:49 PM  

WordsnCollision: Eli WhiskeyDik: So, turtles can fly now. Ya learn something every day.

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I haven't seen that one before! Definitely got a laugh :-)
 
2015-12-18 12:46:42 PM  
They're predicting that a record number of flying toys (i.e. drones) will be sold as Xmas presents.  I'm predicting a record number of them will also be fatally damaged in a crash on Xmas Day.  But not in collisions with civilian or military aircraft.  Trees, rocks, water, etc.

I'd hate to be a guy responsible for returns at the stores ("It's defective!") after that.  Might hurt myself with too many facepalms.
 
2015-12-18 12:47:06 PM  
Is the turtle population about to explode and be piloted by morons who think they got to get a cool ass picture?
 
2015-12-18 12:47:14 PM  
"Turtle on the runway."
(Snert)
 
2015-12-18 12:47:37 PM  
Your airplane has a better chance of crashing into a turtle tortoise rather than a drone
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2015-12-18 12:52:43 PM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: I'm also more likely to get struck by lightning than assaulted by a terrorist. I should be OK with terrorist assaults, then?


Yep, pretty much. Terrorists thrive on... well, terror. If we stopped paying any attention to them, the attacks would stop in short order. The only reason they continue is that we blare every single one on the media and then wet our collective pants, thereby moronically ensuring that the attack served the purpose that was intended.
 
2015-12-18 12:53:20 PM  
These little drones weigh about the same as the hundreds to thousands of birds that hang out near every airport. Why aren't we regulating birds? Why is the FAA ignoring the obvious danger of these birds?

Birds are WAY ahead of terrorists in the taking down airplanes category, while the drones have never even hit a airplane yet.

But go on pissing your pants over imaginary dangers since that's what we do in the USA now.
 
2015-12-18 12:54:12 PM  
The article is total bull shiat. They've got 25 years of data and x amount of dead turtles. Drones are a recent issue,  and I doubt would have 5 years of data to track at the most. I'm sure if you went far enough back in avaiation history you could prove powdered toast is more dangerous than drones.
 
2015-12-18 12:54:39 PM  

Free Radical: Eli WhiskeyDik: So, turtles can fly now. Ya learn something every day.

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god. dammit.
 
2015-12-18 12:55:15 PM  
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2015-12-18 12:56:01 PM  

Free Radical: Eli WhiskeyDik: So, turtles can fly now. Ya learn something every day.

Ahem...

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That's not typical of a turtle. This one just happened to eat at Taco Bell.
 
2015-12-18 12:56:11 PM  
Turtles have been around for billions of years. Drones have only been around for centuries. It's like comparing apples to potatoes.
 
2015-12-18 12:56:29 PM  
How can such an article not actually suggest any of the various ways by which turtles have become airborne and injurious to planes.  Are they dropped by eagles?  Picked up by typhoons?  Tossed up by jet blast (and hit another plane)?  With a couple hundred you would think there would be a clear and definite pattern and that they would bother mentioning it.
 
2015-12-18 12:59:47 PM  
It's kinda like saying horse and buggies are more dangerous than driverless cars because horses have killed way more people over the past 1000 years than driverless cars.
 
2015-12-18 1:01:49 PM  
It may well be true that planes have hit more turtles than drones, but I would guess that the growth potential for airplane-turtle collisions is small, while the growth potential for airplane-drone collisions must be pretty large.

Think about it for a moment and see if you do not agree.

The number of turtles is not likely to increase dramatically. The number of drones is likely to increase geometrically, and the rate of increase may well accelerate geometrically itself. This means millions, even billions of drones will be in the air some day surprisingly soon. Some will be toys and minor nuisances, while others will be big delivery drones or possibly drones deployed by terrorists who know what they are doing and can bring down an airplane.

Geese, for example, are heavier than most toy drones. Their bones are much tougher than plastic. Hitting a goose can easily bring down an airplane, especially a small private aircraft (and these are the planes most prone to accidents by far). Also, there is a risk of a drone hitting Fabio.

Much of the time officials are way too careful but if there is a Black Swan involved, no amount of caution is too much caution because no matter how rare a Black Swan is (and thus how unpredictable and unexpected) it can be really big.

As a matter of fact, Blacks Swans must be much more dangerous to aircraft than geese or ducks and a Black Swan big enough to deliver a bunch of pizzas would be big enough to threaten a commercial size aircraft if it hit the cockpit, sensitive instrumentation, or went into the intake of an engine.

And what of military aircraft? Unlike small planes, which habitually have two engines, some very expensive aircraft only have one engine and are thus doubly vulnerable to Black Swan events.

If you can threaten the crash of a jet by blinding the pilot with a laser pointer, imagine the harm you could do with an eagle or a Black Swan, even a black swan.

It is only a matter of time before a Quantas flight is taken down by a black swan Black Swan, I think. Probably a long time, but that will be no comfort to the several hundred or several thousand people killed if a loaded 747 or larger aircraft goes down into a heavily populated suburb of Sydney or Melbourne.

Geometrical progressions, such as compound interest, are very dangerous and a lot of people do not pay them sufficient attention or respect.

But an accerlating geometrical progression is the most dangerous bird of all, although it may be rara avis.
 
2015-12-18 1:02:04 PM  
Incidentally the law doesn't actually register drones. It registers the owner. I have to pay $5 and get a single number to mark on all my models, even the 30 year old glider. If my model crashes and or causes a complaint they can find me. If there is no number and they still find me,  that is worse.

So mark your flying junk farkers if you want to turn it loose in our airspace.
 
2015-12-18 1:02:15 PM  

darrenhusz: The article is total bull shiat. They've got 25 years of data and x amount of dead turtles. Drones are a recent issue,  and I doubt would have 5 years of data to track at the most. I'm sure if you went far enough back in avaiation history you could prove powdered toast is more dangerous than drones.


The graph is nonsense, but the point it was trying to make is completely accurate. There are no dangers from small hobby drones, and the FAA is being ridiculous.
 
2015-12-18 1:08:16 PM  
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2015-12-18 1:08:35 PM  
Look, up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! it"s Superman!

No, wait, my mistake. It is a large bird flying into the engine of a plane with Superman in hot pursuit! Now, that is what I call a worst case scenario for the pilot and passengers.

On the plus side, Superman would survive the engine of a jet plane and prevent the crash by flying back and holding up the plane until it landed. Don't ask me how that works. He must have some kind of voluntary anti-gravity property that enables him to float in mid-air without the benefits of speed or air-flow to support him.

Also, since he weighs only a few hundred pounds at most, his ability to stop a speeding locomotive must depend on a similar quasi-magical power or else it would take him over 20, nearly 30 miles to stop a train by bracing himself against a tie and plowing up the track and ground with his feet until he reduced the momentum of the train by hundreds of ton-miles.
 
2015-12-18 1:12:22 PM  
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2015-12-18 1:13:33 PM  

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That's awesome
 
2015-12-18 1:15:51 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: Well, duh...

Turtles fly WAY slower.


Fell in love
Fell out of love
Melted down like Chernobillyboil
Fell in love my turtledove
But turtles fly too slow

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2015-12-18 1:16:56 PM  

gweilo8888: Pazuzu Smith-Jones: I'm also more likely to get struck by lightning than assaulted by a terrorist. I should be OK with terrorist assaults, then?

Yep, pretty much. Terrorists thrive on... well, terror. If we stopped paying any attention to them, the attacks would stop in short order. The only reason they continue is that we blare every single one on the media and then wet our collective pants, thereby moronically ensuring that the attack served the purpose that was intended.


I don't understand how people don't understand this.  It's just like kidnapping: if people know someone might pay a ransom kidnapping thrives, if people know that no one pays ransoms kidnapping dies.  The U.S. and its citizens seem to understand this about kidnapping but completely and totally reject the same argument (or at least can't control even the tiniest amount of their fear) when it comes to terrorism.
 
2015-12-18 1:18:53 PM  
Getting one for my nephew. So he'll have to register with the FAA.
 
2015-12-18 1:19:00 PM  
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Thats some low altitude flying bro
 
2015-12-18 1:19:48 PM  

Voiceofreason01: TuteTibiImperes: Endive Wombat: I'm still curious how they plan on enforcing registration of these things.

If you keep it on your property they'll probably never know.   If you crash one in a public place and the police find it before you do, or you're flying it in a public place and a policeman or FAA agent asks you to bring it down to check the registration though you could be farked if you don't have one.

that's pretty much how it works with real planes.


There are actually a lot of unregistered real airplanes flying around Alaska every day, with unlicensed pilots at the controls.

/gotta get caught
//some estimates are ~50% fly without a license
///if they got no license, why register the plane?
 
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