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(The Stack)   Boris Johnson denounces random Uber pickups. random Grindr pickups still A-OK   (thestack.com) divider line
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2015-10-06 7:13:24 AM  
As someone who has been shamefully ripped off by London cabs (before I got the hang of the London Tube and Rail), I can only say:

1) F*ck you, Boris Johnson. Your city's cab system is transportation's equivalent of rape.

2) F*ck you twice, Boris Johnson, for making me defend Uber.
 
2015-10-06 8:09:48 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: As someone who has been shamefully ripped off by London cabs (before I got the hang of the London Tube and Rail), I can only say:

1) F*ck you, Boris Johnson. Your city's cab system is transportation's equivalent of rape.

2) F*ck you twice, Boris Johnson, for making me defend Uber.


Oh comb on, it can't be that bad.  You had a bad brush with the cabs once.  All they need do is take you from hair to there.  No need to pick.  Give them their do.


Whoa.  Sorry.  Don't know what that was about.  Something about the article made me do it!
 
2015-10-06 8:19:05 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Pazuzu Smith-Jones: As someone who has been shamefully ripped off by London cabs (before I got the hang of the London Tube and Rail), I can only say:

1) F*ck you, Boris Johnson. Your city's cab system is transportation's equivalent of rape.

2) F*ck you twice, Boris Johnson, for making me defend Uber.

Oh comb on, it can't be that bad.  You had a bad brush with the cabs once.  All they need do is take you from hair to there.  No need to pick.  Give them their do.


Whoa.  Sorry.  Don't know what that was about.  Something about the article made me do it!


It's cool. No need to wig out about it.
 
2015-10-06 8:21:40 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: Your city's cab system is transportation's equivalent of rape.


I'll take "opinions I can ignore" for 200, Alex.
 
2015-10-06 8:22:24 AM  
It sounds like this Boris Johnson chap is literally Hitler.
 
2015-10-06 8:52:28 AM  
1) Find established and successful, but heavily regulated and perhaps inadequately run industry.

2) Duplicate the industry in everything but name and unilaterally declare yourself unbound by all relevant regulations because the name is different.  Also, make an app.  (this is known as 'disruption')

3) Profit! (for a couple years at least, until regulators finally get off their asses and shut you down.  But really you should cash out long before then.)
 
2015-10-06 8:53:57 AM  

dookdookdook: 2) Duplicate the industry in everything but name and unilaterally declare yourself unbound by all relevant regulations because the name is different. Also, make an app. (this is known as 'disrapption')

 
2015-10-06 9:00:23 AM  

dookdookdook: 1) Find established and successful, but heavily regulated and perhaps inadequately run industry.

2) Duplicate the industry in everything but name and unilaterally declare yourself unbound by all relevant regulations because the name is different.  Also, make an app.  (this is known as 'disruption')

3) Profit! (for a couple years at least, until regulators finally get off their asses and shut you down.  But really you should cash out long before then.)


The question is "are those regulations really needed for a service like Uber?" They don't seem to be, as there have been few if any problems for people with the service. Not to mention that to an extent those regulations have worked to prevent competition.
 
2015-10-06 9:05:31 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: Your city's cab system is transportation's equivalent of rape.


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Agrees.
 
2015-10-06 9:06:08 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: 1) F*ck you, Boris Johnson. Your city's cab system is transportation's equivalent of rape.


YOU GONNA
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GET RAPED
 
2015-10-06 9:18:34 AM  

Telos: The question is "are those regulations really needed for a service like Uber?" They don't seem to be, as there have been few if any problems for people with the service. Not to mention that to an extent those regulations have worked to prevent competition.


Regulations are there for a reason.  Some asshole at some point decided to fuel their cabs with the blood of the homeless because it was cheaper than gas, so now we need a 'no-hobo-blood' regulation to keep other assholes from trying it, because gas ain't getting any cheaper.

Abandoning regulations puts all the responsibility for not being assholes in the hands of the very assholes who would profit from it most.
 
2015-10-06 10:15:28 AM  

dookdookdook: 1) Find established and successful, but heavily regulated and perhaps inadequately run industry.

2) Duplicate the industry in everything but name and unilaterally declare yourself unbound by all relevant regulations because the name is different.  Also, make an app.  (this is known as 'disruption')

3) Profit! (for a couple years at least, until regulators finally get off their asses and shut you down.  But really you should cash out long before then.)


it doesn't help that Uber is generally inept at public relations.
 
2015-10-06 10:51:55 AM  
In London, if you want a cab driver's license, you have to pass a test known simply as "The Knowledge."  The New York Times had an excellent article a while back on what that involves:

The six-mile radius from Charing Cross, the putative center-point of London marked by an equestrian statue of King Charles I, takes in some 25,000 streets. London cabbies need to know all of those streets, and how to drive them - the direction they run, which are one-way, which are dead ends, where to enter and exit traffic circles, and so on. But cabbies also need to know everything on the streets. Examiners may ask a would-be cabbie to identify the location of any restaurant in London. Any pub, any shop, any landmark, no matter how small or obscure - all are fair game. Test-takers have been asked to name the whereabouts of flower stands, of laundromats, of commemorative plaques. One taxi driver told me that he was asked the location of a statue, just a foot tall, depicting two mice sharing a piece of cheese. It's on the facade of a building in Philpot Lane, on the corner of Eastcheap, not far from London Bridge.

Not only that, but they have to be able to account for traffic, construction, & road closures, and be able to calculate detours and alternate routes on the fly.  Especially in old European cities like London and Paris, knowing when to take the side streets and when to stick to the main roads can get you there in half the time.  And unlike New York, there's no numerical limit: if you have the Knowledge, you can drive.

In contrast, I've never once had an Uber driver that didn't have to use a GPS, and I've never seen a GPS that didn't invariably send you down the widest, most traffic-choked arteries.  Black taxi fares might be more expensive, but when you consider the amateurs and dilettantes that drive for Uber they're usually worth it.
 
2015-10-06 11:20:47 AM  
He also indicates that UK government ministers not only rely quite heavily on black cabs, but may not 'have apps' such as Uber in order to take advantage of the service.

That sounds like a them problem, not an Uber problem. just download the farking app then.
 
2015-10-06 12:00:06 PM  
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did anyone else read the headline as Brian Johnson?
 
2015-10-06 12:06:54 PM  

nekom: It sounds like this Boris Johnson chap is literally Hitler.


Nah. He's a little bit of Prince Philip, a little bit of Donald Trump, and a little bit of the Prince Regent from Black Adder the Third, all piled loosely under a third-grader's mop top.
 
2015-10-06 12:26:00 PM  
Well, I don't agree, but ther some valid reasons for not liking Uber. *reads article* "he contends that the Uber app is 'allowing private hire vehicles to behave like black taxis'". Oh, so he's just a farking liar.
 
2015-10-06 1:07:53 PM  
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Yeah, this is exactly the right person to lecture us on transport policy.

Asshat.
 
2015-10-06 3:42:03 PM  

dookdookdook: Telos: The question is "are those regulations really needed for a service like Uber?" They don't seem to be, as there have been few if any problems for people with the service. Not to mention that to an extent those regulations have worked to prevent competition.

Regulations are there for a reason.  Some asshole at some point decided to fuel their cabs with the blood of the homeless because it was cheaper than gas, so now we need a 'no-hobo-blood' regulation to keep other assholes from trying it, because gas ain't getting any cheaper.

Abandoning regulations puts all the responsibility for not being assholes in the hands of the very assholes who would profit from it most.


Ahh, but there's a big difference between some day in the 1800's when the first cab driver tried to use hobo blood and today: Information availability. Your hypothetical hobo-blood-using-uber-driver will get a bad review from his first customer, and the second customer, and the third and very quickly no one will use him.

Things change, and while regulations do come from need those needs can also change with new technologies.

Let's be more realistic: Cabs probably had numbers and registrations to prevent them from kidnapping, raping and murdering passengers. Nowadays, however, the entire transaction is logged in a database along with GPS data of where they went. So instead of hoping a witness saw cab 12 drive away with the victim, we can just pull up the GPS data and find the basement she's locked in.
 
2015-10-06 5:07:30 PM  
So according to Uber picking up the telephone and ordering a minicab is completely different from picking up your phone and ordering it from your phone app.

Uber is a minicab firm. It should comply with the regulations for minicab firms. Like for example yearly checks on the vehicle above and beyond the MOT, actual insurance for taking passengers, CRB checks for the drivers, driver ID on clear display so issues can be reported quickly and effectively etc etc.
 
2015-10-06 7:46:25 PM  

Telos: Your hypothetical hobo-blood-using-uber-driver will get a bad review from his first customer, and the second customer, and the third and very quickly no one will use him.


Just like how no one buys chocolate or diamonds or iphones or anything from walmart because it was created with slave labor.

Saving a buck wins out over morality every single time.
 
2015-10-06 8:45:16 PM  

dookdookdook: Telos: Your hypothetical hobo-blood-using-uber-driver will get a bad review from his first customer, and the second customer, and the third and very quickly no one will use him.

Just like how no one buys chocolate or diamonds or iphones or anything from walmart because it was created with slave labor.

Saving a buck wins out over morality every single time.


But the price is set by Uber so he can't undercut.
 
2015-10-06 10:54:05 PM  

Telos: dookdookdook: Telos: Your hypothetical hobo-blood-using-uber-driver will get a bad review from his first customer, and the second customer, and the third and very quickly no one will use him.

Just like how no one buys chocolate or diamonds or iphones or anything from walmart because it was created with slave labor.

Saving a buck wins out over morality every single time.

But the price is set by Uber so he can't undercut.


Paying $2 for hobo blood instead of $2.50 for gas still bumps his net profit.
 
2015-10-06 11:16:05 PM  

dookdookdook: Telos: dookdookdook: Telos: Your hypothetical hobo-blood-using-uber-driver will get a bad review from his first customer, and the second customer, and the third and very quickly no one will use him.

Just like how no one buys chocolate or diamonds or iphones or anything from walmart because it was created with slave labor.

Saving a buck wins out over morality every single time.

But the price is set by Uber so he can't undercut.

Paying $2 for hobo blood instead of $2.50 for gas still bumps his net profit.


Not when people don't use him because he has a 1 star rating... he'll have 0 revenue.
 
2015-10-07 12:00:51 AM  

Telos: dookdookdook: Telos: dookdookdook: Telos: Your hypothetical hobo-blood-using-uber-driver will get a bad review from his first customer, and the second customer, and the third and very quickly no one will use him.

Just like how no one buys chocolate or diamonds or iphones or anything from walmart because it was created with slave labor.

Saving a buck wins out over morality every single time.

But the price is set by Uber so he can't undercut.

Paying $2 for hobo blood instead of $2.50 for gas still bumps his net profit.

Not when people don't use him because he has a 1 star rating... he'll have 0 revenue.


You're assuming his passengers know/care about the hobo blood.
 
2015-10-07 8:39:19 AM  

dookdookdook: Telos: dookdookdook: Telos: dookdookdook: Telos: Your hypothetical hobo-blood-using-uber-driver will get a bad review from his first customer, and the second customer, and the third and very quickly no one will use him.

Just like how no one buys chocolate or diamonds or iphones or anything from walmart because it was created with slave labor.

Saving a buck wins out over morality every single time.

But the price is set by Uber so he can't undercut.

Paying $2 for hobo blood instead of $2.50 for gas still bumps his net profit.

Not when people don't use him because he has a 1 star rating... he'll have 0 revenue.

You're assuming his passengers know/care about the hobo blood.


You're assuming traditional taxi cab passengers would.
 
2015-10-07 1:04:55 PM  

dookdookdook: Saving a buck wins out over morality every single time.


And the award for the most devastatingly truthful statement about american consumerism goes to... I wonder if cyanide or a bullet is more manly, come on down!
 
2015-10-07 2:08:40 PM  

Somaticasual: dookdookdook: Saving a buck wins out over morality every single time.

And the award for the most devastatingly truthful statement about american consumerism goes to... I wonder if cyanide or a bullet is more manly, come on down!


Seppuku.
 
2015-10-07 2:45:52 PM  
Funny. A lot of people have denounced Boris Johnson, alleging a few "random pick-ups" of his own!
 
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