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2015-09-01 11:51:47 AM  
Look at all those poor button and key pressing plebs. I AM INTONATION
 
2015-09-01 1:28:46 PM  
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2015-09-01 1:57:50 PM  
What did I just read dot jpeg?
 
2015-09-01 2:05:12 PM  

Barfmaker: What did I just read dot jpeg?


Another music major who just now discovered that math exists.
 
2015-09-01 2:05:24 PM  

Barfmaker: What did I just read dot jpeg?


tl:dr -- Instead of distinct notes with a defined jump from one to the next, infinite notes with any jump from one to another.

Sort of like how a CVT has infinite gears and is therefore superior to manual and fixed-gear automatic transmissions.

(that's right... trolled car people in a music thread.  Let's see where this goes...)
 
2015-09-01 2:21:24 PM  
"Pianissimo? I thought that meant 'pound plenty'"
 
2015-09-01 2:21:51 PM  
Sheesh. This was new when the shortwave radio became a thing.
 
2015-09-01 2:26:51 PM  
That guy's voice was very punch-able.
 
2015-09-01 2:30:03 PM  
Yeah, things sound perfect when they're perfect, but that's not art. Music is art. It's how one weaves the inherent imperfection into something worth listening to that makes it good.
If I wanted autotuned music, i'd listen to pop radio instead of live recordings.
Let's see any decent jazz come out of that "new" system (that the article mentions is a theory hundreds of years old). Also, it's nice to see them namedrop "MIDI" in the article, since that was my first thought.
 
2015-09-01 3:00:16 PM  

ThatGuyOverThere: Yeah, things sound perfect when they're perfect, but that's not art. Music is art. It's how one weaves the inherent imperfection into something worth listening to that makes it good.
If I wanted autotuned music, i'd listen to pop radio instead of live recordings.
Let's see any decent jazz come out of that "new" system (that the article mentions is a theory hundreds of years old). Also, it's nice to see them namedrop "MIDI" in the article, since that was my first thought.


And now here's.... human music.

*beep beep boop*

Hmm.... human music. I like it.
 
2015-09-01 3:23:59 PM  
Audiophiles are pitiful human beings.
 
2015-09-01 3:31:08 PM  
Short version: Pianos are fascist. I want to play the notes between the keys, man.
 
2015-09-01 3:40:33 PM  
But will it sound good? Musical tendencies largely a product of our evolved and instinctive tastes. Saying it's purely a product of our inability to produce alternative instruments or to efficiently inscribe anything else is incorrect.
 
2015-09-01 3:43:28 PM  

bloobeary: Short version: Pianos are fascist. I want to play the notes between the keys, man.


But again, the notes you CAN play are there as a result of considering what is generally pleasing to the human ear. D major, biatches...
 
2015-09-01 3:50:42 PM  
Wow! if you start talking this stuff people will look at you like your head is almost as far up your ass as the person that wrote it.
 
2015-09-01 3:58:58 PM  
oh look, someone discovered the x/y function on an oscope.
 
2015-09-01 4:05:02 PM  
Is this the official music of TimeCube?


or perhaps he wants to open the box containing the Forbidden Notes at the end of the piano.
 
2015-09-01 4:06:17 PM  
[OUTRAGE] New music notation system
 
2015-09-01 4:59:08 PM  

asciibaron: oh look, someone discovered the x/y function on an oscope.


Lissajous, but yeah.
 
2015-09-01 5:00:55 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Look at all those poor button and key pressing plebs. I AM INTONATION


Hehehe, Reminds me of a few good jokes :)

How many trombone players does it take to change a light bulb? 
Only one, but he'll spend half an hour trying to figure out what position he needs to be in.

How many trombone players does it take to change a light bulb? 
Only one, but he'll spend half an hour trying to figure out what position he needs to be in.

What do you call a trombonist with half a brain? 
Gifted.

What's the least used sentence in the English language? 
"Look at that trombone player's Cadillac!"

What did the trombonist get on his IQ test? 
Drool.

What do you call a beautiful woman on a trombonist's arm? 
A tattoo. 

A trombone player walks past a bar. 
Could have fooled me! 

How do you get a trombone player to play slower? 
Put a page of music in front of him. 
How do you get him to stop completely? 
Put notes on the page. 

What's so tragic about a minivan with 5 trombones in it, running off the side of a cliff? 
You could have fit more trombones in it.

/Trombone player
 
2015-09-01 6:07:41 PM  
HOLLY: I'm not bored. I've had a really busy morning. I've devised a system to totally revolutionise music.
LISTER: Get out of town!
HOLLY: Yeah, I've decimalised it. Instead of the octave, it's the decative. And I've invented two new notes: H and J.
LISTER: Hang on a minute. You can't just invent new notes.
HOLLY: Well I have. Now it goes: Doh, ray, me, fah, soh, lah, woh, boh, ti, doh. Doh, ti, boh, woh, lah, soh, fah, me, ray, doh.
RIMMER: What are you drivelling about?
HOLLY: Hol Rock. It'll be a whole new sound. All the instruments will be extra big to incorporate my two new notes. Triangles will have four sides. Piano keyboards the length of zebra crossings. Course, women will have to be banned from playing the cello.
 
2015-09-01 6:25:05 PM  

Free Radical: That guy's voice was very punch-able.


He reminded me of James O'Keefe. The Standard bearer of punchable faces, so yeah.
 
2015-09-01 6:27:40 PM  

Ginnungagap42: HOLLY: I'm not bored. I've had a really busy morning. I've devised a system to totally revolutionise music.
LISTER: Get out of town!
HOLLY: Yeah, I've decimalised it. Instead of the octave, it's the decative. And I've invented two new notes: H and J.
LISTER: Hang on a minute. You can't just invent new notes.
HOLLY: Well I have. Now it goes: Doh, ray, me, fah, soh, lah, woh, boh, ti, doh. Doh, ti, boh, woh, lah, soh, fah, me, ray, doh.
RIMMER: What are you drivelling about?
HOLLY: Hol Rock. It'll be a whole new sound. All the instruments will be extra big to incorporate my two new notes. Triangles will have four sides. Piano keyboards the length of zebra crossings. Course, women will have to be banned from playing the cello.


Smeg!
 
2015-09-01 7:40:12 PM  
This article neglects to mention the real reason equal temperment triumphed over other systems like just and well temperment. You can't tune all keys. You have better 3rds or 5ths in some keys but other keys sound horrible. With computers you can set up more tunings but it will of necessity limit key changes. It's the nature of the fifth that it is impossible to have a perfect tuning system - the Pythagorean comma can't be erased no matter how much math you put in there.

There are many other systems, for example in Indian classical music they do use what we would call quarter tones or "in between" notes. Yet somehow I don't see people outside of musician circles jumping on Indian classical music to get a fix of new sounds.

This article is the musical equivalent of chemtrails. It's entirely detached from reality.
 
2015-09-01 7:44:19 PM  

bloobeary: Short version: Pianos are fascist. I want to play the notes between the keys, man.


Buy a theremin. Problem solved.
 
2015-09-01 9:46:50 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: bloobeary: Short version: Pianos are fascist. I want to play the notes between the keys, man.

But again, the notes you CAN play are there as a result of considering what is generally pleasing to the human ear. D major, biatches...


G maj -- the People's Key.
 
2015-09-01 10:11:12 PM  
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2015-09-01 10:55:20 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: realmolo: Audiophiles are pitiful human beings.

I concur.  I once had the sickness.  Very bad case.  DBX Parametric equalizer to flatten the room with a pink noise generator, sound panels to kill the dead corners, Denon pre-amp, Rockford Fosgate amp, Kenwood tuner, Hitachi Reel to Reel tape, major stupid bucks for just the right turntable cartridge, McIntosh speakers out the ass delivering highs only dolphins could hear, bass so low they knew my rig was up in china. My LP collection all supplied for free from my DJ days in college.  I was a god.

And then one day, I discovered I had enough hearing loss that I could not tell any diff between all that and an mp3 playing on a stupid farking Sony 5.1 home theater rig, or an Ipod on a docked alarm clock.  I cried, then sold it all, went on vacation, never looked back.

/csb
//Play some Foghat!


That's a hell of a coming out.  You're braver than I thought, considering the way audiophiles are treated here.
 
2015-09-02 8:57:45 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: And then one day, I discovered I had enough hearing loss that I could not tell any diff between all that and an mp3 playing on a stupid farking Sony 5.1 home theater rig, or an Ipod on a docked alarm clock.  I cried, then sold it all, went on vacation, never looked back.

/csb
//Play some Foghat!


I shoot for a hobby and i spent a lot of time at punk shows when i was a teen.
I like to buy nice things, but there are limits. I'm not paying for speakers that boat their 20khz, because i know i won't hear it, and since having it play at all is incredibly dependent on the recording and processing, it's probably not there anyway.
If it's not crackly or muffled, it's probably good enough since i learned when 15 years ago, before approaching middle age, that i can't usually tell the difference past a 128k mp3.
 
2015-09-02 9:04:02 AM  
This is a naive idea, both musically and acoustically.
 
2015-09-02 9:34:36 AM  
This is the sort of thing that leads to instruments that take 4 arms to play properly.
 
2015-09-02 10:45:59 AM  
With storage as cheap as it is these days, there's not much of a benefit to mp3 over lossless quality audio anymore.

That said, how something is recorded matters just as much as any component you use to listen to it. It pisses me off to no end when I pick up distortion because record labels have decided that louder is better.
 
2015-09-02 1:24:56 PM  

Orgasmatron138: With storage as cheap as it is these days, there's not much of a benefit to mp3 over lossless quality audio anymore.

That said, how something is recorded matters just as much as any component you use to listen to it. It pisses me off to no end when I pick up distortion because record labels have decided that louder is better.


But if they don't master it loudly, how will you be able to listen to it loudly!?
 
2015-09-02 1:55:53 PM  

StarshipAngel: Is this the official music of TimeCube?


or perhaps he wants to open the box containing the Forbidden Notes at the end of the piano.


Watch it there buddy.

/see Fark handle
 
2015-09-02 2:32:19 PM  

NateAsbestos: Orgasmatron138: With storage as cheap as it is these days, there's not much of a benefit to mp3 over lossless quality audio anymore.

That said, how something is recorded matters just as much as any component you use to listen to it. It pisses me off to no end when I pick up distortion because record labels have decided that louder is better.

But if they don't master it loudly, how will you be able to listen to it loudly!?


Jesus Christ. Death Magnetic was the best thing Metallica did in years, and guitars are distorted all over it. And it's not like I'm rocking a $5,000 audio rig or anything. My listening devices are all mid-fi, entry level audiophile stuff.
 
2015-09-02 7:17:21 PM  

Orgasmatron138: NateAsbestos: Orgasmatron138: With storage as cheap as it is these days, there's not much of a benefit to mp3 over lossless quality audio anymore.

That said, how something is recorded matters just as much as any component you use to listen to it. It pisses me off to no end when I pick up distortion because record labels have decided that louder is better.

But if they don't master it loudly, how will you be able to listen to it loudly!?

Jesus Christ. Death Magnetic was the best thing Metallica did in years, and guitars are distorted all over it. And it's not like I'm rocking a $5,000 audio rig or anything. My listening devices are all mid-fi, entry level audiophile stuff.


Same here. Deltron's Event 2 was great but mixed/mastered terribly.
 
2015-09-02 9:32:49 PM  
192 kpbs MP3 compression is where it starts getting decent.

My 128 stuff all sounds like an AM radio.
 
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