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2015-06-30 7:26:44 PM  
I have no idea. Ask Theseus.
 
2015-06-30 7:39:12 PM  
A real band, where each member contributes a unique musical talent to the total overall sound or a group of singing, dancing "idols" with prerecorded background music like AKB48?

Because AKB48 has 154 members on rotation.
 
2015-06-30 7:40:26 PM  
I have no idea.  Ask The Doors.
 
2015-06-30 7:41:10 PM  
Fu*k Mike Love.
 
2015-06-30 7:42:31 PM  
I have no idea. Ask Trigger.
 
2015-06-30 7:44:30 PM  

doglover: A real band, where each member contributes a unique musical talent to the total overall sound or a group of singing, dancing "idols" with prerecorded background music like AKB48?

Because AKB48 has 154 members on rotation.


Yeah, depends on the kind of band.

I think Menudo has been in constant rotation since just after Spanish colonization. I believe Charles V was their manager before becoming Holy Roman Emperor.
 
2015-06-30 7:44:46 PM  
Pretty sure the answer is one.
 
2015-06-30 7:54:13 PM  
*cough*Evanescence*cough*
 
2015-06-30 7:58:11 PM  
I don't know. I know Guns n Roses isn't Guns n Roses anymore.
 
2015-06-30 8:10:41 PM  
Are they drummers? In which case the answer is hundreds.

/Especially if they choke on vomit or die in a mystery gardening accident.
 
2015-06-30 8:11:33 PM  
It depends on what band.
 
2015-06-30 8:14:43 PM  
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Freebird!
 
2015-06-30 8:22:34 PM  

lindalouwho: It depends on what band.


Yep.

Skynyrd has been a glorified tribute band since the 80s. However, Kiss is still Kiss as long as Stanley and Simmons are present.

The Temptations and the Four Tops are also currently pretty much tribute acts, the Tops especially. Without Levi Stubbs' voice out front, it ain't the Four Tops.

So, it's a case by case thing.
 
2015-06-30 8:22:58 PM  
My question is how the heck Fleetwood Mac managed three lead singers.
 
2015-06-30 8:26:12 PM  
I really don't know how Queen can still exist, but there you have it.
 
2015-06-30 8:27:32 PM  

Ambivalence: I really don't know how Queen can still exist, but there you have it.


It shouldn't.

Losing Freddie Mercury was the end of Queen. Even John Deacon knew it. That whole thing should have been The May/Taylor Project featuring the songs of Queen, or something. But Queen died in November 1991.
 
2015-06-30 8:41:55 PM  
Jan and Dean had a reasonably successful twilight career playing county fairs and corporate functions, with backup musicians, until Jan died in 2004.

Posed a semantic problem for the group - The Who cd keep touring with just 2 of the 4 originals. The Drifters cd just replace anyone who left; they still were The Drifters. But Dean cdn't just hire another Jan. Eventually they solved the problem by reforming as the Surf City Allstars.
 
2015-06-30 8:56:56 PM  
Herb has been through seven "Peaches."

SRSLY.
 
2015-06-30 8:59:10 PM  
If it's the bassist then no one gives the slightest f*ck.

Unless it is Peter Steele (RIP)
 
2015-06-30 9:09:51 PM  
These days I'd rather listen to a tribute band than the original

You go to a Who or The Boss concert, pay couple hundred dollars, and watch from a distance.

Hear your old favourites, and then the dreaded "and now we'd like to play some songs off our new album"

No sunshine, we're not here because you guys are fabulous musicians, we're here to recapture our youth, and sing along to those anthems. We've paid you a small fortune, so sing what we want to hear, not what you want to inflict on us.

/oldmanyellsatclouds.jpg
 
2015-06-30 9:10:10 PM  
Let's say you have an ax. Just a cheap one, from Home Depot. On one bitter winter day, you use said ax to behead a man. Don't worry, the man was already dead. Or maybe you should worry, because you're the one who shot him.

He had been a big, twitchy guy with veiny skin stretched over swollen biceps, a tattoo of a swastika on his tongue. Teeth filed into razor-sharp fangs, you know the type. And you're chopping off his head because, even with eight bullet holes in him, you're pretty sure he's about to spring back to his feet and eat the look of terror right off your face. On the follow-through of the last swing, though, the handle of the ax snaps in a spray of splinters. You now have a broken ax. So, after a long night of looking for a place to dump the man and his head, you take a trip into town with your ax. You go to the hardware store, explaining away the dark reddish stains on the broken handle as barbecue sauce. You walk out with a brand new handle for your ax.

The repaired ax sits undisturbed in your garage until the next spring when, on one rainy morning, you find in your kitchen a creature that appears to be a foot-long slug with a bulging egg sac on its tail. Its jaws bite one of your forks in half with what seems like very little effort. You grab your trusty ax and chop the thing into several pieces. On the last blow, however, the ax strikes a metal leg of the overturned kitchen table and chips out a notch right in the middle of the blade.

Of course, a chipped head means yet another trip to the hardware store. They sell you a brand new head for your ax. As soon as you get home with your newly-headed ax, though, you meet the reanimated body of the guy you beheaded last year. He's also got a new head, stitched on with what looks like plastic weed trimmer line, and it's wearing that unique expression of "you're the man who killed me last winter" resentment that one so rarely encounters in everyday life.

You brandish your ax. The guy takes a long look at the weapon with his squishy, rotting eyes and in a gargly voice he screams, "That's the same ax that slayed me!"

Is he right?
 
2015-06-30 9:17:43 PM  

mjjt: These days I'd rather listen to a tribute band than the original

You go to a Who or The Boss concert, pay couple hundred dollars, and watch from a distance.

Hear your old favourites, and then the dreaded "and now we'd like to play some songs off our new album"

No sunshine, we're not here because you guys are fabulous musicians, we're here to recapture our youth, and sing along to those anthems. We've paid you a small fortune, so sing what we want to hear, not what you want to inflict on us.

/oldmanyellsatclouds.jpg


o_O

Unlike The Who, Bruce Springsteen still has basically everyone that he started out with, with the exception of the two members that died.  I'm not sure they belonged lumped together.

Unless it's specifically billed as a Greatest Hits tour, where there will be no new tracks, just the golden oldies, why go if you don't want to hear anything else?  Save your money.  That's like biatching that there was a fight at the hockey game.  What were you expecting?  Ballet?  You buy a ticket on the current tour, you do that knowing there will be songs from the new album.  That's why they're touring.
 
2015-06-30 9:43:38 PM  
meow said the dog

No Flecktones without Victor Wooten.
 
2015-06-30 9:58:50 PM  

Coco LaFemme: mjjt: These days I'd rather listen to a tribute band than the original

You go to a Who or The Boss concert, pay couple hundred dollars, and watch from a distance.

Hear your old favourites, and then the dreaded "and now we'd like to play some songs off our new album"

No sunshine, we're not here because you guys are fabulous musicians, we're here to recapture our youth, and sing along to those anthems. We've paid you a small fortune, so sing what we want to hear, not what you want to inflict on us.

/oldmanyellsatclouds.jpg

o_O

Unlike The Who, Bruce Springsteen still has basically everyone that he started out with, with the exception of the two members that died.  I'm not sure they belonged lumped together.

Unless it's specifically billed as a Greatest Hits tour, where there will be no new tracks, just the golden oldies, why go if you don't want to hear anything else?  Save your money.  That's like biatching that there was a fight at the hockey game.  What were you expecting?  Ballet?  You buy a ticket on the current tour, you do that knowing there will be songs from the new album.  That's why they're touring.


Funny thing. I went to a recent concert where the artist did not play anything off his new album. He made it a point to say that since we were there to hear the old stuff, he would play the old stuff. He did and it was awesome. I respect that.

/Garth
//Yeah, yeah, I know.
///You're favorite band/singer sucks and stop liking what I don't like.
////Quad slashies don't care.
 
2015-06-30 10:02:28 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Are they drummers? In which case the answer is hundreds.

/Especially if they choke on vomit or die in a mystery gardening accident.


I'm amazed more don't explode on stage.
 
2015-06-30 10:13:12 PM  

fusillade762: Let's say you have an ax. Just a cheap one, from Home Depot. On one bitter winter day, you use said ax to behead a man. Don't worry, the man was already dead. Or maybe you should worry, because you're the one who shot him.

He had been a big, twitchy guy with veiny skin stretched over swollen biceps, a tattoo of a swastika on his tongue. Teeth filed into razor-sharp fangs, you know the type. And you're chopping off his head because, even with eight bullet holes in him, you're pretty sure he's about to spring back to his feet and eat the look of terror right off your face. On the follow-through of the last swing, though, the handle of the ax snaps in a spray of splinters. You now have a broken ax. So, after a long night of looking for a place to dump the man and his head, you take a trip into town with your ax. You go to the hardware store, explaining away the dark reddish stains on the broken handle as barbecue sauce. You walk out with a brand new handle for your ax.

The repaired ax sits undisturbed in your garage until the next spring when, on one rainy morning, you find in your kitchen a creature that appears to be a foot-long slug with a bulging egg sac on its tail. Its jaws bite one of your forks in half with what seems like very little effort. You grab your trusty ax and chop the thing into several pieces. On the last blow, however, the ax strikes a metal leg of the overturned kitchen table and chips out a notch right in the middle of the blade.

Of course, a chipped head means yet another trip to the hardware store. They sell you a brand new head for your ax. As soon as you get home with your newly-headed ax, though, you meet the reanimated body of the guy you beheaded last year. He's also got a new head, stitched on with what looks like plastic weed trimmer line, and it's wearing that unique expression of "you're the man who killed me last winter" resentment that one so rarely encounters in everyday life.

You brandish your ax. The guy takes a long look at t ...


Eye see we're covered here.

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2015-06-30 10:18:55 PM  

John Buck 41: Fu*k Mike Love.


Came for this. F*ck Mike Love.
 
2015-06-30 10:19:13 PM  

I Have The Touch of a Shocked Monkey: My question is how the heck Fleetwood Mac managed three lead singers.


Your biggest wonder about Fleetwood Mac's makeup is that?
 
2015-06-30 10:19:37 PM  
apparently GWAR is still touring.....
 
2015-06-30 10:20:37 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Are they drummers? In which case the answer is hundreds.



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disagrees, as do I. Vehemently.
 
2015-06-30 10:23:24 PM  
Depends on who leaves.  In terms of touring, losing key members probably doesn't matter much (with the lead singer likely being the exception).  In terms of new music, it's a HUGE difference who leaves or dies.  I can think of two exceptions.  Black Sabbath who continued with Ronnie James Dio after Ozzy left and Brian Johnson was great in AC/DC after Bon Scott's death.  Yes, there may be more...but those are two notable off the top of my head (and don't even say Sammy Hagar in Van Halen...it wasn't the same Van Halen and I really like Sammy Hagar solo).

Is Slayer the same without Jeff Hanneman and Dave Lombardo?  Probably not (especially given the fact that Hanneman wrote most of their best songs).

Is AC/DC the same without Malcolm Young?  Probably not (especially since he was co-writer on most songs).  But so long as Brian Johnson and Angus Young are still playing, they're good.

As for the Stones? Ronnie Wood replaced Brian Jones...but when was the last great Stones album?

The Who?  Not the same sound without Entwistle (though you could say they were done after the death of Keith Moon).  Still with Daltrey and Townshend they're capable of maintaining some of their original sound.

Judas Priest without Rob Halford?  Sacrilege (Ripper was ok, but not Halford)

Iron Maiden with Blaze Bayley...really?  Nobody replaces Bruce Dickinson in Iron Maiden (though Bruce was an upgrade over Paul Di'Anno).

Journey?  Not the same without Steve Perry

Was J. Geils the same without Peter Wolf?  Nope.

Led Zeppelin was smart enough to call it quits after the death of John Bonham.  His style would have been difficult to replace.

The Doors without Jim Morrison?  Hell no.

And no, Yes cannot continue and sound decent without Chris Squire on bass
 
2015-06-30 10:23:54 PM  
P-Funk lives as long as George Clinton does.

/remembers the Bootsy and Maceo days
 
2015-06-30 10:27:57 PM  
I, too, am on the F*ck Mike Love fan club.
 
2015-06-30 10:28:59 PM  

fusillade762: Let's say you have an ax. Just a cheap one, from Home Depot. On one bitter winter day, you use said ax to behead a man. Don't worry, the man was already dead. Or maybe you should worry, because you're the one who shot him.

He had been a big, twitchy guy with veiny skin stretched over swollen biceps, a tattoo of a swastika on his tongue. Teeth filed into razor-sharp fangs, you know the type. And you're chopping off his head because, even with eight bullet holes in him, you're pretty sure he's about to spring back to his feet and eat the look of terror right off your face. On the follow-through of the last swing, though, the handle of the ax snaps in a spray of splinters. You now have a broken ax. So, after a long night of looking for a place to dump the man and his head, you take a trip into town with your ax. You go to the hardware store, explaining away the dark reddish stains on the broken handle as barbecue sauce. You walk out with a brand new handle for your ax.

The repaired ax sits undisturbed in your garage until the next spring when, on one rainy morning, you find in your kitchen a creature that appears to be a foot-long slug with a bulging egg sac on its tail. Its jaws bite one of your forks in half with what seems like very little effort. You grab your trusty ax and chop the thing into several pieces. On the last blow, however, the ax strikes a metal leg of the overturned kitchen table and chips out a notch right in the middle of the blade.

Of course, a chipped head means yet another trip to the hardware store. They sell you a brand new head for your ax. As soon as you get home with your newly-headed ax, though, you meet the reanimated body of the guy you beheaded last year. He's also got a new head, stitched on with what looks like plastic weed trimmer line, and it's wearing that unique expression of "you're the man who killed me last winter" resentment that one so rarely encounters in everyday life.

You brandish your ax. The guy takes a long look at t ...


Terry Pratchett says yes.  And he wrote it better.

/rhys rhysson approves
 
2015-06-30 10:34:44 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Flint Ironstag: Are they drummers? In which case the answer is hundreds.

/Especially if they choke on vomit or die in a mystery gardening accident.

I'm amazed more don't explode on stage.


I started to spontaneously combust one night on stage. Fortunately, we were doing a Slayer cover, so my perspiration put the fire out almost immediately.
 
2015-06-30 10:36:21 PM  

North_Central_Positronics: John Buck 41: Fu*k Mike Love.

Came for this. F*ck Mike Love.


Me too. He's the biggest douche in the universe.
 
2015-06-30 10:36:51 PM  
Chris Gaines.
 
2015-06-30 10:40:52 PM  
Yes, but how does Starship factor into this equation?
 
2015-06-30 10:40:59 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: *cough*Evanescence*cough*


Iron Butterfly.
 
2015-06-30 10:41:16 PM  
Mike Love is an #sshole, and apparently, always has been. Spend your money watching Brian on tour: totally worth it,and a more pure "Beach Boys" experience than the cadaverous walker that is Mike love's touring band.  I feel bad for Al Jardine: both bands fight over him like the single kid in a  bad divorce.
 
2015-06-30 10:42:18 PM  

John Buck 41: Fu*k Mike Love.


Love Mike Fu*k
 
2015-06-30 10:44:34 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Herb has been through seven "Peaches."

SRSLY.


Disco has always been a producers genre, and that all the way back to the Motown days.

And that holds true for Sun, Chess, and Stax if you really want to get down to it.
 
2015-06-30 10:46:07 PM  

mjjt: These days I'd rather listen to a tribute band than the original

You go to a Who or The Boss concert, pay couple hundred dollars, and watch from a distance.

Hear your old favourites, and then the dreaded "and now we'd like to play some songs off our new album"

No sunshine, we're not here because you guys are fabulous musicians, we're here to recapture our youth, and sing along to those anthems. We've paid you a small fortune, so sing what we want to hear, not what you want to inflict on us.

/oldmanyellsatclouds.jpg


I agree with your two examples. But I go see Neil Young and Crazy Horse, they play the whole new album, a handful of greatest hits, and I'm loving it.

/Yeah, I even enjoyed the Greendale tour
 
2015-06-30 10:48:25 PM  

lindalouwho: P-Funk lives as long as George Clinton does.

/remembers the Bootsy and Maceo days


There's a REALLY good Ewetubercle about the history of that band. Have you seen it?

My favorite story: they always played shiat equipment until they were touring with Vanilla Fudge and had to borrow The Fudges equipment for a night, and once George heard the difference he bought them all new shiat!
 
2015-06-30 10:49:31 PM  
Is a Band Without Its Original Members Still the Same Band?

And then every band they list has at least one original member. What's the farking point of this?
 
2015-06-30 10:50:20 PM  
As others have said, it depends. I saw Creedence Clearwater Revival in '68 and saw John Fogarty with a backup band about two years ago. Both events were lots of fun, exciting, with tons of positive energy. John wore a plaid shirt, played guitar real well, and sang pretty good. His hair was darker the second time. I am not likely to walk across the street to hear CCRevisited.
 
2015-06-30 10:50:30 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Skynyrd has been a glorified tribute band since the 80s. However, Kiss is still Kiss as long as Stanley and Simmons are present.


KISS are a mere glorified tribute band of themselves, and have been since they put the makeup back on 20 years ago.
 
2015-06-30 10:51:08 PM  
Familiar issue for aging punk rock fans. There's a number of acts out there with only one original member who happens to own the name. There's several column inches of guys who were in Battalion of Saints. The last time I saw them, it appeared to be the singer, and some 15-year-olds he was probably paying with beer. Some lineups of Fang had zero original members, as there was some guy whose name I forget, who briefly fronted the band before Sammy got there.
 
2015-06-30 10:52:52 PM  

baconbeard: John Buck 41: Fu*k Mike Love.

Love Mike Fu*k


F*ck.
 
2015-06-30 10:53:31 PM  

Sid_6.7: I have no idea. Ask Theseus.


Came here for this.
 
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