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(CBC)   Native Canadian Hip Hop is the latest craze in Manitoba. DJ Spins with Eagles unavailable for comment   ( divider line
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2004-03-07 09:29:35 PM  
I'm native american. Weren't we all mad when Outkast dressed up like Indians and danced around a teepee?

How is that different from this.

BTW, I've heard this stuff - it's awful.
2004-03-07 10:43:55 PM  
The only true hip hop today is Horrorcore and some stuff out of the Bay Area. I make this claim based on its resistance to mainstream appropriation, the whiteness of Del (et. al), and the fact Def Jam sunk $25 mil into it and it failed to take off. Oh, and I don't even bother trying to fit in to hip hop culture, because I'm just a damn cracker. I just like songs about killing babies, doing coke, and eating people.
2004-03-08 01:14:08 AM  
I'll respect rap and hip hop alot more, when they start creating their own bed music, instead of stealing everyone else's. Until then, it's just karaoke without melody.
By the way, disco still sucks, and imitating a square dance caller with a bad attitude, and a 50 word vocabulary does nothing to improve it. It does not make you an artist. Sadly though, it may make you rich.

/not ducking
2004-03-08 01:41:41 AM  
I'm in total agreement with TommyymmoT
2004-03-08 01:41:58 AM  
Snow surrenders.
2004-03-08 01:43:57 AM  
Great headline!

But I'm easily amused.
2004-03-08 01:44:56 AM  
Jay-Z has waaaay more talent then Jimmy Page has in his little toe. 50 cent is a better songwriter by himself, then Lennon/McCartney, and even Harrison, combined. Nelly has more frotnman charisma than Jim Morrison ever did. Pink Floyd, progressive? I think NOT, when compared to the trailblazing rhymes of Chingy.
2004-03-08 01:45:38 AM  
When I think of hip-hop, I think of Eugene Levy. I think of a Canadian Jew.

That's all I see from the headline, didn't RTFA.

/bringing down the house was a crappy movie, that DVD feature was worth it though
2004-03-08 01:46:42 AM  
the assumption that a piece must be an entirely new creation to be considered "music" is idiotic.

Nobody said Johny Cash's version of "Hurt" wasn't a song.

Not that I'm a huge fan of rap. But seriously. Get off the "it's just sampling" crap.

BTW - totally agree with monty666.
2004-03-08 01:48:24 AM  
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2004-03-08 01:50:35 AM  
tons of people make their own backing trax
my krew can't afford the sampling rights and if you wanna post on hosting/charting sites they'll bust ya
2004-03-08 01:51:51 AM  
Yo, biatch, I'm Wabanakwut Kinew
I'm a dope ass rapper and I'm coming to you
I'm as hard as an MC, and I might be
shootin' arrows in yo' ass
if ya fark wit me
I'm aboriginal
I'm as brown as a penny
and I'm 6 foot tall
2004-03-08 01:53:06 AM  
Dope, check out Buck 65 too, grandfather of underground hip hop.
2004-03-08 01:53:52 AM  
I wasn't mad when Outkast dressed up like Indians. When all Native Americans stop wearing Eddie Bauer, Old Navy and Ralph Lauren clothes, like us white people, I'll take their complaints about when some black person dresses up like them a bit more seriously. Until then...STOP OPPRESSING MY WHITE BREAD, SUBURBAN CULTURE.
2004-03-08 01:54:08 AM  
...That's what I heard
Me and my homies come from da mean streets
We save all parts of the animal, not just the meat
Mean ol' wehitey done up take my land
But look at me now, my rap is grand...
2004-03-08 01:54:21 AM  
How does this rate a 'Cool' tag? 'Amusing', perhaps. 'Stupid' would be more fitting. 'Cool'? Nope. Not even a little. Indian hip-hop is about as cool as that dude I see tooling around in a Blazer with 'Stryper' decals all over it.
2004-03-08 01:54:24 AM  
I've said it before and I'll say it again - Sage Francis, Atmosphere, Aesop Rock, The Roots, Blackalicious, Jurassic 5, Dizzee Rascal. Okay, now I'm done.
2004-03-08 01:54:24 AM  
Bay Area? Please! Hip-Hip was born out of Los Angeles son. NorCal can suck it!
2004-03-08 01:56:45 AM  
OHHHHHHHHH SHNAAAPPP, it's a Bay Area/LA flame war. Where's the Hip-Hop po-poes. Turn on the sirens!
2004-03-08 01:56:50 AM  
What is this Hip-Hip you speak of?


/lives in nocal, but actually likes socal more
2004-03-08 01:57:22 AM  
"Get off the "it's just sampling" crap."

How is it not?
2004-03-08 01:57:45 AM will probably tell you where Hip-Hop is from.
2004-03-08 01:58:18 AM  
War Party is good. I just heard slangblossom's new tune and it's pretty good, too. No samples in their singles that I can recall. (Don't care for slangblossom's name, though.) There is a minimal of bling-bling - in fact, it's pretty much the opposite from what I can tell.

It's far different than OutKast dressing up as Native to simply perform a song that has nothing to do with Aboriginal culture.

Native hip-hop isn't exactly new. If it's not okay for Natives to get into rap & hip-hop, is it okay for Natives to get into rock music, or must they stay with their people's traditional songs? Music has no colours. Perhaps Living Colour, Jimi Hendrix, the majority of the Dave Matthews Band, 1/2 of Local H, Murray from The Dears & countless others should have stuck to their "own kind" of music, entirely based on their race, eh? That's progress!

Musical genre segregation is a horrible leftover of past prejudices. It's not like War Party, et al. are poseurs, talking about things they don't know anything about. Again, if they were expressing themselves with rock music, would it be more acceptable, or not?
2004-03-08 02:02:07 AM  
Well Rock is black music, genious. No one said Natives shouldn't be able to do Hip-Hop/Rap, they just said Hip-Hop/Rap is mainly crap. This thread is pretty off-topic, anyway.
2004-03-08 02:02:12 AM  
Don Henley raps?
2004-03-08 02:02:28 AM  
How is it not?

Because if you listen to a song with another track sampled into the background and don't hear it as a separate work, you're not listening to it fairly.

Kinda like watching "Roxanne" and saying "it's just a rip-off of Cyrano de Bergerac". You'd be missing the point.

It doesn't mean the song's good. But it's NOT the same song.
2004-03-08 02:02:46 AM  

Cool, never heard 'em, shall be looking them up....

Also the Pharcyde kicks ass, but that goes without saying.
2004-03-08 02:04:00 AM  
We sold our land for pearls
They raped all our girls
and they gave us polio and many diseases
and the only way to please us
is to teach us about jesus
and we made peace, over a plate of turkey
with lots of gravy and these are the farkas
that will pay the price, see
we got a casino, making bills
and when us savages are rich
we'll see whos the master and who's the biatch
fo real
2004-03-08 02:04:32 AM  
It's minstrel show stuff, dancing around and acting like black guys, or african-americans.
2004-03-08 02:08:34 AM  
I live in Regina SK, Canada.

Half the population in this city is native.

They have completely appropriated American black urban culture and forgone their own.

If I was native, I'm pretty sure I would have the farking time of my life dressing in buckskins and moccasins, wearing warpaint, and generally embracing my culture to the point of causing honkies to flee in terror, and by god I would love to see that happen here. So, if there are any brown brothers on this site, reading now, please try your own culture on for size. It's a beautiful one.

The one you stole don't fit so good.

Not saying that any culture can't/shouldn't use hip hop as a forum for telling stories about their own experiences, but there's no reason a native Canadian living in Regina SK needs to immitate the cliche'd ebonics and accents from the American media.

The tag for this should be "sad".
2004-03-08 02:10:00 AM  
If you accept this stuff, you cannot get mad when other cultural groups appropriate our cultural symbols. That is what I am saying. It's either/or, but you can't stand with your feet on both sides of the line.
2004-03-08 02:11:11 AM  
Blackalicious, J-5, excellent.
2004-03-08 02:13:50 AM  
I see how rap, hip/hop, is just a form of control, just like punk and grunge. They were all underground and were meant as a form of rebellion, but then just turned into mainstream, and cares more about image than quality, just so different races/cultures can find a music to relate to without actually caring about music in it's true sense--to bring people together instead of tearing them apart.
So if you don't like certain types of music, see how easy it is to create a whole new genre, instead of biatching about the ones out there already. And yes I am a hypocrite.
2004-03-08 02:15:42 AM  
Had to mention one of my favorite comics, something positive:

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2004-03-08 02:22:32 AM  
Sampling == laziness, playing on another song's popularity or someone else's songwriting.

I can sell replicas of the mona lisa with some crap sprayed on top, or I can make my own paintings. I can probably sell the former and make some money, but that doesn't make me much of an artist on my own merits.
2004-03-08 02:24:48 AM  
They aren't imitating it, they're using it. They are taking someone else's work, and claiming it as their own. I didn't see Steve Martin lip syncing to the original movie version of "Cyrano de Bergerac", and adding a little bit of his own dialogue, by the way.

Hip hop, is not an interpretation of someone else's composition, in the way that say, Hendrix covered Dylan's "All Along The Watchtower". It is either being to lazy, or too untalented to create your own music.
I fully understand the concept of "music concretta", but it doesn't apply to hip hop.
2004-03-08 02:25:23 AM  
A Regina-ite.. or something?
how are things in sask.?

I'm originally from much further north in Sk, I too have seen this adoption of 'black' culture by my native peers and many others, and though I would agree it is quite ridiculous to see people adopt the entire standpoint of another group, Understand that the downtrodden attitude is VERY attractive to alot of these individuals, this 'living in the ghetto, I got nothin, and I am also downtrodden' attitude is muuuch easier to take ahold of than creating your own genre of music.

And I'm not insulting said people, we're all lazy right?

Ultimately I too believe that native american culture is truly a very beautiful thing - harmony with nature? Sustainability of the population? Bingo!! But really you can't judge people untill you've been in their shoes - and I doubt you'd be walking around with buckskins had you been born native.
2004-03-08 02:25:35 AM  

I agree with you. I like most Swollen Members stuff a whole lot more than Foreign Legion or J5...
2004-03-08 02:31:58 AM  
He said swollen member. He he he. Seriously though, the only canadian music hip-hop or otherwise I'm aware of, is that band Rush.
2004-03-08 02:36:17 AM  
How cute, Canadians
2004-03-08 02:36:21 AM  
so playing the exact same notes, and words, etc, a little differently, is artistic, but using a song created in one genre as an element of a different song isn't?

Rose-colored glasses.
2004-03-08 02:37:46 AM  
Seriously though, the only canadian music hip-hop or otherwise I'm aware of, is that band Rush.

Serious? Then you best check some stuff out. What kind of stuff do you like? I could drop a couple names for you to listen to.
2004-03-08 02:40:08 AM  
Yeesh. Not even Guy Lombardo? I'm from the "boogie down Bronx", where hip hop was contrived, and even I, have heard of say, Loverboy, or Avril Levine.

/and don't forget that Anne Murray, she's a hotty.
2004-03-08 02:41:12 AM  
canadian hip-hop is making a comeback? YESSS!!

/breaks out the SNOW VINYL! info-mahhhh!
2004-03-08 02:41:36 AM  
Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying rap songs with sampled music are any good.

I'm saying that they're songs.
2004-03-08 02:42:21 AM  

Let your backbone slide.
2004-03-08 02:46:57 AM  
Canadian Hip Hop???

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2004-03-08 02:50:24 AM  

Sampling can go both ways. Sometimes it's horrible, tacky, stupid, etc. but sometimes it can be elevated to genius level by the likes of the Dust Brothers (see Paul's Boutique, Odelay).

The Grey Album sucks ass.
2004-03-08 02:52:49 AM  
so playing the exact same notes, and words, etc, a little differently, is artistic, but using a song created in one genre as an element of a different song isn't?

Umm yeah, I think you're on the right track. It's like a DJ playing a record, and claiming he recorded it. The general public doesn't know any better. I've worked for Edgar Winter, who's "Dying to live", was used on The Resurrection soundtrack, but at least it was recorded fresh for the occasion.
2004-03-08 02:53:37 AM  
I've heard a some of Litefoot's songs and except for a couple I thought they were pretty good. He's got his own label called Red Vinyl Records.
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