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		NYPD commissioner blames Colorado marijuana for increase in NY shootings (washingtonpost.com)		106
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fusillade762

2015-03-04 3:11:15 AM

gfid

2015-03-04 3:54:19 AM

"The seemingly innocent drug that's been legalized around the country. In this city, people are killing each other over marijuana more so than anything that we had to deal with [in the] 80s and 90s with heroin and cocaine . . . In some instances, it's a causal factor. But it's an influence in almost everything that we do here."

Wow.

Make this go viral. Even those who are not in favor of legalization will realize what bullshiat it is especially coupled with a complete lack of any increase in crime in Colorado.

Of course some people will never be convinced. I remember talking to one of those at work one day. I worked with him. He was reasonably intelligent, not a genius but definitely not stupid either. He honestly believed that marijuana was a gateway drug and if you used it you were likely to move on to the really bad drugs like heroin, cocaine or meth. It was an interesting conversation over lunch one day. There were a few other co-workers there and everyone except him seemed to be sympathetic towards marijuana legalization but nobody really wanted to argue too strongly for it for fear of being labelled a stoner at work.

Anyway, the anti-marijuana guy conceded that marijuana in and of itself wasn't so bad except that he clung to the idea that it's a gateway drug.

And although I never sparked up with any of them, I'm pretty sure that if you passed a joint to them under the right circumstances they'd toke up. We all drank. The only reason I wasn't an every day toker at the time was because I didn't have a connection - in Colorado I didn't know anybody who could get me weed. Crazy, right?

Now I'm starting to wonder why they don't just give in and sell weed at farking 7-11.

koder

2015-03-04 4:33:55 AM

gfid: He was reasonably intelligent, not a genius but definitely not stupid either.

Those are the worst, most dangerous ones. Intelligence, properly practiced and wielded, is a double-edged sword: it yields conclusions but makes you just as by-default uncertain about the conclusions you draw from it. This forces you to use it delicately so as to carve out precision works of art.

On the other hand, if you're just smart enough but just dumb enough, you don't realize the sword has two edges, so you just hack around wildly and make a mess of everything.

Reverend J

2015-03-04 5:25:22 AM

gfid:

Now I'm starting to wonder why they don't just give in and sell weed at farking 7-11.

I agree with you on the previous points, but have you ever tried the coffee at 7-11? Just think what they'd do too weed.

Iczer

2015-03-04 5:25:48 AM

Oh sweet god, he actually said that... Seriously thought subby was playing a joke angle, and the dumbass actually said that...

There... there's just no amount of facepalms to express this level of stupidity...

you are a puppet

2015-03-04 5:29:06 AM

In this city, people are killing each other over marijuana more so than anything that we had to deal with [in the] 80s and 90s with heroin and cocaine

Hell, in that city some people are even killing others over regular cigarettes!

stirfrybry

2015-03-04 5:30:41 AM

What do we expect from an agency that won't hire people with above average IQ?

CodeMonkey4Life

2015-03-04 5:30:56 AM

Hopefully this will help New Yorkers who want a competent and rational commissioner get rid of this ridiculous, silly man.

Hiro-ACiD

2015-03-04 5:33:15 AM

Reverend J: gfid:

Now I'm starting to wonder why they don't just give in and sell weed at farking 7-11.

I agree with you on the previous points, but have you ever tried the coffee at 7-11? Just think what they'd do too weed.

I'ld stick up the place too if the guy behind the counter threw a bale of pot at me.

/alright Hamilton!

uttertosh

2015-03-04 5:36:53 AM

you are a puppet: In this city, people are killing each other over marijuana more so than anything that we had to deal with [in the] 80s and 90s with heroin and cocaine

Hell, in that city some people are even killing others over regular cigarettes!

Also, for no other reason than: "You're not from around here".

It's those idiots in out-of-state city boroughs that just let anyone not from there roam around as they like. THAT'S why folks in the 'wrong hood' get murdered in NY. Yup.

jso2897

2015-03-04 5:42:18 AM

Yeah, the hicks in Oklahoma are suing Colorado for causing all THEIR problems, too.

Solstafir

2015-03-04 5:44:19 AM

In this city, people are killing each other over illegal marijuana, more so than anything that we had to deal with [in the] 80s and 90s with heroin and cocaine

Fixed that for him, but also broke his argument.

uttertosh

2015-03-04 5:51:58 AM

It's this kind of passive-blaming that ruins whole families. My brother was a victim of nearly the exact same thing, way back in the day of the whole Bush Administration's hissy-fit over stemcell research. One of his best friends was a scientist who was working for Glasgow university's famed Cancer research department. Totally sound chick she was, too. Not just really cute, but a talented musician, wicked smart, GREAT sense of humour, smoked some of the nicest hashes I've ever had. She was working on a project that used stemcells to basically regrow a whole patella for a patient whose surgery caused the destruction of her natural one. Yeah, well, after a while of knowing her, my brother ends up in a relationship with her. Who's to blame him?). The Horror that followed was nearly unbearable for me. After a night out with his workmates, my brother is drunkenly fumbling with the door key when he's attacked by five guys dressed in white. They were there with a clubs, knives and a rope. Thankfully it was just a scare tactic made to scare him off dating her. Why? They didn't like that he was a knee grow lover.

Cheron

2015-03-04 5:53:49 AM

I think the argument goes, those involved in the illegal marijuana trade in Colorado were put out of business by legalization. They then relocated to other areas and are creating a turf war. Who knew that thee were so many violent drug dealers in Denver that when redistributed over the whole country they had a measurable effect.

I eat mop

2015-03-04 5:56:12 AM

haven't you people heard of chaos theory? a butterfly lights a doob in colorado and a gang war breaks out in new york.

/you can't explain that

Lady J

2015-03-04 5:59:12 AM

uttertosh: It's this kind of passive-blaming that ruins whole families. My brother was a victim of nearly the exact same thing, way back in the day of the whole Bush Administration's hissy-fit over stemcell research. One of his best friends was a scientist who was working for Glasgow university's famed Cancer research department. Totally sound chick she was, too. Not just really cute, but a talented musician, wicked smart, GREAT sense of humour, smoked some of the nicest hashes I've ever had. She was working on a project that used stemcells to basically regrow a whole patella for a patient whose surgery caused the destruction of her natural one. Yeah, well, after a while of knowing her, my brother ends up in a relationship with her. Who's to blame him?). The Horror that followed was nearly unbearable for me. After a night out with his workmates, my brother is drunkenly fumbling with the door key when he's attacked by five guys dressed in white. They were there with a clubs, knives and a rope. Thankfully it was just a scare tactic made to scare him off dating her. Why? They didn't like that he was a knee grow lover.

you made me read all that you butthole

way south

2015-03-04 5:59:58 AM

They've been blaming their gun violence on everyone elses gun laws.
Now they're blaming their gun violence on everyone else's drug laws.

There's a pattern here...

jtown

2015-03-04 6:07:04 AM

Arcturus72

2015-03-04 6:09:09 AM

Like I said on the other thread yesterday, are they talking about shootings involving the cop as the shooter, or are they talking about us peons as the shooter?

LowbrowDeluxe

2015-03-04 6:11:02 AM

Well, there it is...

/and only 6 AM, too

BitwiseShift

2015-03-04 6:12:13 AM

It's just payback for when Colorado had Quakers down as terrorists.

pheed

2015-03-04 6:26:22 AM

Quick, someone post a graph comparing NYC murders in the heroin '70s and crack '80s to today's "pot murders." Hell, from what I can see, settling untaxed tobacco will definitely get you killed...by the cops.

koder

2015-03-04 6:28:18 AM

posted to Main » on 04 Mar 2015 at 5:20 AM (1 hour ago)

I see what you did there. :D

/central time

pheed

2015-03-04 6:32:38 AM

Yeah, this graph pre-dates Colorado's pot legalization (I think) but I can't imagine NYC murders have skyrocketed since then.

puffy999

2015-03-04 6:33:14 AM

gfid: Anyway, the anti-marijuana guy conceded that marijuana in and of itself wasn't so bad except that he clung to the idea that it's a gateway drug.

It's a gateway drug insofar as marijuana's criminality makes obtaining it a bit different than going to the store and buying a beer.

The problem isn't the drug, it's the treatment thereof.

puffy999

2015-03-04 6:38:01 AM

Reverend J: I agree with you on the previous points, but have you ever tried the coffee at 7-11? Just think what they'd do too weed.

Whatever you do, don't try their beer (if they even sell it anymore):

/a local store had it on clearance years ago for $6/case. Not worth it...

Lady J

2015-03-04 6:39:02 AM

puffy999: gfid: Anyway, the anti-marijuana guy conceded that marijuana in and of itself wasn't so bad except that he clung to the idea that it's a gateway drug.

It's a gateway drug insofar as marijuana's criminality makes obtaining it a bit different than going to the store and buying a beer.

The problem isn't the drug, it's the treatment thereof.

is there even definitely such a thing as a gateway drug? isnt it possible that some people are more likely to try things than others, and therefore those 'triers' are more likely to try weed than non triers, but also more likely to try coke etc

luxup

2015-03-04 6:40:22 AM

Well, other than the author of the article saying it, where does it state that Bratton is blaming legal weed in Colorado? I did read that he said that though it may be legal in other states, in this city it's a common factor in the crimes he is seeing.

That is not blaming legal weed for crimes in NYC. What he is saying is what he usually says. That people think it's a safe drug, that even though it may be legal other places he thinks it's a dangerous drug that.

That message is what he always says. So once you realize that, how is this article news?

Just another Heartland Weirdass

2015-03-04 6:41:41 AM

As a Colorado resident I can safely say.... NY can go fark itself.

SumoJeb

2015-03-04 6:45:39 AM

For some reason in my mind I always picture NYC personified as George Costanza.

Billy Bathsalt

2015-03-04 6:47:20 AM

I was planning to go buy some legal weed in Colorado, but I got on the wrong train, so I went to NYC and murdered some people instead.

jafiwam

2015-03-04 6:49:39 AM

New York's problem is it's full of new yorkers.

Deep Contact

2015-03-04 6:52:32 AM

Headlines we'd like to see.

koder

2015-03-04 6:56:50 AM

Lady J: is there even definitely such a thing as a gateway drug? isnt it possible that some people are more likely to try things than others, and therefore those 'triers' are more likely to try weed than non triers, but also more likely to try coke etc

I'd argue caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine are all "gateway drugs," that is, if you believe in that concept. In reality, you obtain those where people are selling other legal things. When it comes to illegal things, you get those where people are selling other illegal things. The logical thing to do, then, is legalize the equally innocuous things so that they're obtained alongside other legal things.

Point is, the "gateway drug" argument is moot. The better question to ask is "if someone wouldn't have normally taken heroin, why are they now taking it, and where are they being exposed to the opportunity to do so?" Those questions then lead you to the actual answer (drug dealers with a financial interest in unloading it as a "bonus" to another purchase), and not the incorrect answer (a different drug).

abhorrent1

2015-03-04 7:18:07 AM

Maybe the people in NY just need to smoke more weed.

Smoking GNU

2015-03-04 7:26:45 AM

Lady J: uttertosh: It's this kind of passive-blaming that ruins whole families. My brother was a victim of nearly the exact same thing, way back in the day of the whole Bush Administration's hissy-fit over stemcell research. One of his best friends was a scientist who was working for Glasgow university's famed Cancer research department. Totally sound chick she was, too. Not just really cute, but a talented musician, wicked smart, GREAT sense of humour, smoked some of the nicest hashes I've ever had. She was working on a project that used stemcells to basically regrow a whole patella for a patient whose surgery caused the destruction of her natural one. Yeah, well, after a while of knowing her, my brother ends up in a relationship with her. Who's to blame him?). The Horror that followed was nearly unbearable for me. After a night out with his workmates, my brother is drunkenly fumbling with the door key when he's attacked by five guys dressed in white. They were there with a clubs, knives and a rope. Thankfully it was just a scare tactic made to scare him off dating her. Why? They didn't like that he was a knee grow lover.

you made me read all that you butthole

I want those 2 minutes back.

Dead for Tax Reasons

2015-03-04 7:28:19 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons

2015-03-04 7:30:17 AM

nope, you couldn't find weed in the city before that...it's all their fault

jjorsett

2015-03-04 7:31:20 AM

It can't possibly have anything to do with de Blasio ending NYPD's stop and frisk policy, could it? Of course not, an uptick in the murder rate is due to something happening 1500 miles away, not bad guys knowing they can carry guns with less risk of detection.

sandbar67

2015-03-04 7:33:45 AM

It's fine, really ... between stories the like this one, and the story going around yesterday about how all the rabbits will get stoned if we legalize it ... clearly the anti-marijuana folks are on the wrong side of the debate, the wrong side of history, and they are getting desperate and grasping at straws.

No one with an IQ above potato is going to read this and think, "oh yeah, that's plausible". Mostly.

Archie Goodwin

2015-03-04 7:39:31 AM

abhorrent1: Maybe the people in NY just need to smoke more weed.

Billy Bathsalt

2015-03-04 7:40:05 AM

koder: Lady J: is there even definitely such a thing as a gateway drug? isnt it possible that some people are more likely to try things than others, and therefore those 'triers' are more likely to try weed than non triers, but also more likely to try coke etc

I'd argue caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine are all "gateway drugs," that is, if you believe in that concept. In reality, you obtain those where people are selling other legal things. When it comes to illegal things, you get those where people are selling other illegal things. The logical thing to do, then, is legalize the equally innocuous things so that they're obtained alongside other legal things.

Point is, the "gateway drug" argument is moot. The better question to ask is "if someone wouldn't have normally taken heroin, why are they now taking it, and where are they being exposed to the opportunity to do so?" Those questions then lead you to the actual answer (drug dealers with a financial interest in unloading it as a "bonus" to another purchase), and not the incorrect answer (a different drug).

It's because of all those "weed and heroin at the same time" dealers? Got it.

Gulper Eel

2015-03-04 7:45:04 AM

jjorsett: It can't possibly have anything to do with de Blasio ending NYPD's stop and frisk policy, could it? Of course not, an uptick in the murder rate is due to something happening 1500 miles away, not bad guys knowing they can carry guns with less risk of detection.

That's New York for you: pass the gun law because it's for the children, then don't enforce the gun law because it's racist.

CodeMonkey4Life: Hopefully this will help New Yorkers who want a competent and rational commissioner get rid of this ridiculous, silly man.

In New York politics, competent and rational gets you run out of town on a rail.

RobSeace

2015-03-04 7:46:59 AM

Legal pot is totally responsible for global warming... Study it out!

neongoats

2015-03-04 7:47:37 AM

It sounds like this NYPD commisssioner is a useless windbag flailing for anything that people will buy to explain both his own incompetence and the incompetence of his NYPD peons.

Suck it loser.

vudukungfu

2015-03-04 7:50:11 AM

Stark, raving assholes.
The entire department.

OdradekRex

2015-03-04 7:52:39 AM

As legalization gains ground, expect to see more of these senior law enforcement types crank the crazy up - their entire careers they have done things one way, and had those sweet DEA funds to keep hitting. They can quit federal funding any time... Really. They just need a little more to take the edge off.

HotWingConspiracy

2015-03-04 7:57:55 AM

These farking dinosaurs that run our country got so used to plying their bullshiat it's lost on them that everyone knows it's bullshiat. It really wasn't long ago that people would nod their heads in agreement with this like he just laid down some sage wisdom.

HotWingConspiracy

2015-03-04 7:59:42 AM

Given that every time stop and frisk was analyzed and found to not be having much of an impact on crime, I'm going to say neither ending that unconstitutional racial biased police state tactic or legal weed on the other side of the country has much of anything to do with it.

Silverstaff

2015-03-04 8:03:23 AM

Deep Contact: Headlines we'd like to see.
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