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(NewsNet5)   Harvard-educated boffin claims scientific proof of afterlife   ( divider line
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14108 clicks; posted to Main » on 05 Mar 2004 at 3:34 AM (14 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2004-03-04 11:40:28 PM  
2004-03-05 12:21:03 AM  
how is elvis? and have you seen him lately....
2004-03-05 12:26:27 AM  
Oh, he's at the University of Arizona. Move along, nothing to see here.
2004-03-05 12:27:34 AM  
As luck would have it, I'm typing this from the afterlife. We get pretty good rates on MSN Internet access which makes it easy to stay connected for the ghost on the go. Oh, and John Edwards is the Biggest Douche in the Universe.
2004-03-05 12:48:31 AM  
It isn't so much an afterlife as it is an apres vie.
2004-03-05 01:22:28 AM  
As long as you can get a decent cup of tea.
2004-03-05 01:55:46 AM  
If there was proof of an afterlife, every single TV channel would halt regular programming with non-stop news reports of said proof much the same as they all stopped for 9/11 - days of nothing but talk about the proof.

This is just another overzealous "scientist" who wants to be known for something. I'm ashamed to be in the same profession (science, not paranormal).
2004-03-05 03:01:01 AM  
am i reading this correctly?

this "scientist" is saying he's proven there is an afterlife because of the documented accuracy of psychics? and these "documented accuracies" are things like "there is a bowl of peanuts in your house."??

brilliant. i can see the next headline: "Scientist proves horoscopes are accurate!"

'I swear, the thing said my love-life was about to take a turn for the worse and that very day my wife cheated on me!'
2004-03-05 03:03:05 AM  
Iollow: you should know then that single-blind studies are pretty compelling, especially if they can be repeated continually. If his study is really serious and no one is compromising the study intentionally, it should be really easy to duplicate the expirement and really hard to disprove it as well.

Oh, and KenShabby: there really isn't any decent tea in the afterlife. Starbucks has cornered the market and is pretty solidly in coffees only. :)
2004-03-05 03:41:26 AM  
UA, tackling the biggest questions of our time. Is there water on mars? is there an afterlife? buncha hippies in the desert with telescopes and peyote. what an awesome school I go to. bear down!
2004-03-05 03:41:58 AM  
Well I guess this woman is applying to the James Randi Educational Foundation as we speak for the $1m in prize money for anyone that can prove a supernatural claim. Randi has been offering this prize for years and under controlled circumstances, no-one has ever been able to claim it.
2004-03-05 03:46:04 AM  
Back off, man, he's a scientist.
2004-03-05 03:48:25 AM  
Here are the researchers who discovered the shocking evidence.

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2004-03-05 03:48:49 AM  
Interesting study. Personally, I'd like to believe there is some sort of afterlife. However, instead of asking the "conjured spirit" if there is friggin carrot cake and peanuts on the counter, why not have them explain what happens when we die? I'd find that to be a little more interesting.
2004-03-05 03:49:01 AM  
Easy to disprove this BS. Take people that don't claim to be "mediums" and let them do readings also. Do it double blind (scientists don't know who the "real mediums" are). Then see what the accuracy is.

/looks up the definition of "science"
2004-03-05 03:50:59 AM  
I have yet to meet an intelligent person from Harvard.
2004-03-05 03:54:02 AM  
I wouldn't be using a medium as proof.

To use the tired argument, ask them to predict the next winning lottery ticket number in MY state and have them do this a few times.

I know, "it doesn't work that way". So how does it work? If you don't understand the method by which you are getting your results that's an argument against your results.

I'd like to think there's something out there, but people eat this sh*t up because it's something and anything that can somehow validate what they're desperately hoping.....
2004-03-05 03:55:07 AM  
None of those things do I ever have in my house. the force she must have used to know these things
2004-03-05 04:03:15 AM  
21 grams
2004-03-05 04:05:38 AM  
I hear there's a shortage of chairs.
2004-03-05 04:09:31 AM  
If the 'mediums' are really talking to friends and family in this 'afterlife', then how come they can't come up with something more personal, so they know tis' true?

Medium: "Jenny, I'm speaking with your mother now..."
Jenny: "How do I know? Tell her to tell you something unique about our relationship"
Medium: "She tells me the origin of those red stains on your bedroom floor"
Jenny: "But NOONE knows about that but mom! What is it then?"
Medium: "She says it was when she hid in your closet to scare you when you were 13, little did she know you just had your first period..."

then, I would believe...
2004-03-05 04:09:45 AM  
"There are so many people that are going to try to find holes in what we've done there is not a hole to find when we agree, or get a final protocol done," said Schwartz.

2004-03-05 04:14:20 AM  
Oh, and Penn & Teller thoroughly debunked "cold readings" like this on their show Bullshiat.

Folks, when P&T call you out as frauds, your party is pretty much over. Move along, nothing to see here.
2004-03-05 04:15:34 AM  

2004-03-05 04:17:14 AM  
If I could talk to the dead, I'd be like "Yo, Edison, get Einstein, Newton and Gauss over and invent some shiat. I'll be your earthbound agent, and I'm only asking 10%!"
2004-03-05 04:18:35 AM  
"One of the most intriguing studies included five of the most respected mediums in the world, hooked up to monitors and computers."

Well, there's your problem. You got all that hardware between the medium and the 110 feed. You'll never make any progress like that...
2004-03-05 04:31:42 AM  
Did that scientist sound like some cartoonish mad German professor in your head when you read this article?
2004-03-05 04:32:34 AM  
I'll second KenShabby's reply of "Bollocks".

Schwartz is full of shiat.
2004-03-05 04:50:15 AM  
A. I question the validity of what hes testing

B. Even if this is all true, how does that prove of an afterlife? If anything, I would think it proves they have some sort of ESP.

What sort of crazy logic put this guy ina lab coat?
2004-03-05 04:55:37 AM  
2004-03-05 04:56:46 AM  
The closest proof you're ever going to get for life after death involves a certain tryptomine on Erowid.
2004-03-05 04:57:34 AM
2004-03-05 04:58:19 AM  
Somehow, I just knew (or maybe feared?) that the 'evidence' would be based on activities of a John Edwards wannabe.

Hey, psychic... you got second sight? Can you use it to tell which finger I'm holding up? I'm pretty sure you can just guess, though.

As was said in Ghostbusters... " are a poor scientist."

Someone teach that guy about data, observed phenomena, empirical evidence, and the scientific farking method.
2004-03-05 05:03:31 AM  
Nice link. Articles such as the one below demonstrate the scientific rigor used in their experiments:

"How light accomplishes this feat is unknown, but it appears that light has been positioned as the cornerstone of modern physics and natural law. Einstein explained that as an object increases in speed, especially approaching the speed of light, its length decreases, its mass increases, and time slows (but the speed of light remains constant). If an object actually reaches the speed of light, time stops completely. Many are not aware of the full significance of this last point. Imagine that you are traveling at the speed of light and time stands still. You find that you can travel anywhere in the universe, and you never age! Hence, it is striking, but photons, and all other forms of electromagnetic radiation, are timeless. (Light, p. 27-28)
2004-03-05 05:28:55 AM  
Listen you ignorent athiest scumbags are so tired, I knew when I clicked on thses comment that they would be full of seculare weirdos with no sense of our lords grace dissrespecting Cristians. Real open minded you stupid (And some even GAY !!) LIBERALS! You people are whats wrong with this world and why it is going to hell (just like you!!) in a hand basket! This guy is from Harvard and has proved himself in our great institutions as well as in his faith to our Lord! Can you all say that? I thought not so go back to smoking your drugs and getting gay marriages!
2004-03-05 05:38:12 AM  

now THATS how a troll is supposed to go. some of the lesser bridge dwellers around here could learn from you.
2004-03-05 05:40:13 AM  
Holy_about_theLord - are you real, or was that an inspired troll?
2004-03-05 05:50:15 AM  
Amen brother! Im always happy to to at least try and lead the lost to salvation. The homeless who live under bridges are an embarrassing problem although I dont know why you call them trolls or equate all Liberals with homeless people. Unfortunately as many know they have snuck (Lied and cheated most likely) their way into many positions of influence and power. DID YOU KNOW THAT! My Pastor told me their are even liberal Professors at some collages! I hope I dont have to deal with any when I go to collage next year. I hope to go to Alabama ROOOOOOOLLLLLLLL TIDE!!
2004-03-05 06:02:37 AM  
Hey, Holy, do you even realize the implications for christianity if Schwartz is right??? It means the Bible is wrong, virtually everything you know is wrong about God. Doesnt this strike you as being more offensive than those who have merely questioned the guy because he claims to have indisputable proof, agrees to share it,then backs out? Remember, Thou Shalt Not Lie? Well, Schwartz has been caught in a bald faced one- he did not share the proof. And here, you blame those of us, many of whom are christians BTW, of being gay atheists. Take a look in the mirror buddy, see straight, and direct your anger at Swartz. He is even spending your tax dollars, and is not providing any data. Angry yet? Oh, and a_mighty_wind, Einsteins Theory of Relativity does not provide for time travel. Not at all, not in the least. The web link is crap in a basket.
2004-03-05 06:23:50 AM  
Randi's already offered this guy and the University of Arizona the chance to win his prize money, Table Mountain. He has some commentary on this scattered through the last few months on the JREF site. The "scientist" mumbed something under his breath and darted down a dark corridor and the university refused to answer.
2004-03-05 06:25:15 AM  
Im sorry Northern but you arent making any sense and neither is clothedsinnfultouching but I think we KNOW what side she is on!
2004-03-05 06:36:14 AM  
it's late so forgive me...I read the article and couldn't find boffin anywhere.

Is that suppose to be buffoon?
2004-03-05 06:36:45 AM  
May the Schwartz be with you.
2004-03-05 06:41:53 AM  
Funny how these mediums always come up with dead relatives and rock stars... you never hear about the medium who is looking for Joe's dead mother and then actually has a conversation with a Roman Legionaire or a Revolutionary war Minuteman or a Rebel soldier from the civil war who died at Anteitem or one of the countless Jews who starved to death in Bukenvald.
People of this ilk make me want to puke. The only 'real' ectoplasm you will ever find on Earth is the sludge in the bottom of a fourty year old sealed coffin, and the only afterlife you'll ever find is the bacteria that digests your dead meat inside that sealed box
2004-03-05 06:48:50 AM  
How do you live with ideas like that? Thats just horrible awful and nasty and unpleasant! Although it is written that the wages of sin is death so for someone like you that may be true but probably worse! I pray for the souls of people like you even tho you spit in the face of the savior that died on the cross for your right to say those things asnI am taught to. But I personally believe you deserve it!
2004-03-05 06:50:02 AM  
We die. Grow up and get over it.
2004-03-05 06:51:30 AM  
How would this researcher rule out telepathy, that is, would not the "medium" be reading the mind of someone alive who knows the deceased, thereby reinforcing the illusion that the deceased entity persists after death?

Telepathy alone is difficult to prove. These experiments would have to be very tightly controlled, poly-blinded.

I believe that while life after death is a good possibility, based on records of reincarnation and near-death-experiences, it is otherwise very difficult to prove. Corroborative evidence falls short of actual measurements with Venkmans' Ectoplasmic Energy detector.

2004-03-05 06:52:23 AM  
My 'savior' didn't die on a cross to give me this right to say these things, he died at Normandy.
2004-03-05 06:55:54 AM  
Mark 10:30 - But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

John 3:15 - That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

I guesse that puts a swift end to your niave dillusions doesnt it goflight! You better fly straight and get right with our Lord or you shouel change your name to GOTOHELL!
2004-03-05 06:56:08 AM  
Holy_about_theLord = Trollubberalles

I've always wondered about why when folks visit from the afterlife they never tell about the existance of God, the wonders of where they are or the excitement of still existing, they always tell you that the car keys are under the sofa or some silliness.

If I visit from the next world, I'm pretty sure the first words from my mouth won't be "Aunt Lillies dollie is in the safety deposit box".
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