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(CBS4Denver - KCNC)   After passing an unenforceable law that can be easily and legally circumvented, Colorado Democrats are shocked to discover it is not being enforced and is being easily and legally circumvented   (denver.cbslocal.com) divider line
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vpb [recently expired TotalFark]
2014-11-01 2:52:27 PM  
They should know that gun nuts are criminals who will try to find ways to break the law.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-11-01 3:00:14 PM  
If I were writing the story I would have put these sentences closer together: Two Colorado lawmakers, Senate President John Morse and Senator Angela Giron, were recalled based on their support of the high capacity magazine ban. Rep. Rhonda Fields, who sponsored Colorado's high capacity magazine ban, declined to be interviewed about what CBS4 had found, saying she was concerned it might impact the November 4 elections.
 
2014-11-01 3:04:35 PM  
If i can't fit 35 rounds in my rifle how will i defend myself from the coming race war?

Answer me that libulardos
 
2014-11-01 3:57:50 PM  
So people breaking the law = unenforceable.

Got it.
 
2014-11-01 3:59:15 PM  
Has anyone been killed by the 16th through the 30th bullet fired out of a converted magazine as a direct result of this "loophole"?  I'm actually interested.  Anyone injured from bullets 16-30 fired out of one of those converted magazines?  Any property damage identifiable as having been caused by bullet 16 through bullet 30?
 
2014-11-01 4:02:35 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Has anyone been killed by the 16th through the 30th bullet fired out of a converted magazine as a direct result of this "loophole"?  I'm actually interested.  Anyone injured from bullets 16-30 fired out of one of those converted magazines?  Any property damage identifiable as having been caused by bullet 16 through bullet 30?


I think it's important that bullets 1 thru 15 be brought in immediately for questioning...
 
2014-11-01 4:17:31 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Has anyone been killed by the 16th through the 30th bullet fired out of a converted magazine as a direct result of this "loophole"?  I'm actually interested.  Anyone injured from bullets 16-30 fired out of one of those converted magazines?  Any property damage identifiable as having been caused by bullet 16 through bullet 30?


As a result of this loophole? Probably not, yet.

In general? Yes.
 
2014-11-01 4:25:42 PM  
The article could have included that all high capacity magazine owned prior to the ban are still legal in Colorado, since most high capacity magazines do not have a produced on date or serial number the is no way to tell where or when a high capacity magazine was bought.
 
2014-11-01 4:33:50 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Has anyone been killed by the 16th through the 30th bullet fired out of a converted magazine as a direct result of this "loophole"?  I'm actually interested.  Anyone injured from bullets 16-30 fired out of one of those converted magazines?  Any property damage identifiable as having been caused by bullet 16 through bullet 30?


This is the problem with trying to get around the 2nd amendment, rather than trying to repeal it or modify it.
Stupid laws are stupid and easily circumvented.  Look at the designer drugs and the designer drug bans.

Some countries have made prostitution legal, but made it illegal to pay a prostitute ... sheeeshhh.
 
2014-11-01 4:34:14 PM  

eurotrader: The article could have included that all high capacity magazine owned prior to the ban are still legal in Colorado, since most high capacity magazines do not have a produced on date or serial number the is no way to tell where or when a high capacity magazine was bought.


That's some logical thinking I am not used to seeing in these threads.

Just reached over into the locker and pulled out a handful of 20 round magazines.  The aftermarket ones are, in fact, stamped with the producers name and date. (Brownells, June 2007 in this case)

The milsurp 20 rounders have no markings at all except for "U.S.A" stamped in the base plate.

Interesting.
 
2014-11-01 4:35:46 PM  

eurotrader: The article could have included that all high capacity magazine owned prior to the ban are still legal in Colorado, since most high capacity magazines do not have a produced on date or serial number the is no way to tell where or when a high capacity magazine was bought.


sure .. but when the packaging is brand new, and you have cases of them to sell, it is pretty easy to argue that they are new, rather than used .. but still. they left open the used magazine market.
even if they successfully closed all new/modified/kits loopholes, they would be left with a thriving market in used.  and then people would just sell them "lightly used" ... LOL
 
2014-11-01 5:20:03 PM  
If you need more than 15 shots to defend yourself from a home intruder, you suck at guns and should have them taken away until you get some training.
 
2014-11-01 5:22:16 PM  
Also, if you've pissed off enough people that you need more than 15 rounds to take down multiple targets, maybe the pain train coming your way is the Karma Express and you really should re-evaluate your actions.
 
2014-11-01 5:31:42 PM  

Saborlas: If you need more than 15 shots to defend yourself from a home intruder, you suck at guns and should have them taken away until you get some training.


If you think the only reason to own a firearm is to defend yourself from a home intruder, you suck at individual rights and should have them taken away from you until you get some training.
 
2014-11-01 5:37:13 PM  
Mauser is a vocal opponent of high capacity magazines

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Of course he is.
 
2014-11-01 6:38:03 PM  

vpb: They should know that gun nuts are criminals who will try to find ways to break the law.


They're not breaking the law. They are following it exactly.
 
2014-11-01 6:38:42 PM  
As if this even matters.

Who reads magazines anymore?
 
2014-11-01 6:40:12 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: If i can't fit 35 rounds in my rifle how will i defend myself from the coming race war?

Answer me that libulardos


Not only that, what about Obama's SuperDrones/Government Gun-Grabbin' Killbots?
 
2014-11-01 6:40:23 PM  
So...72 hours or so until the Colorado voter weighs in.

//hint: Fark You!
 
2014-11-01 6:42:01 PM  

namatad: dahmers love zombie: Has anyone been killed by the 16th through the 30th bullet fired out of a converted magazine as a direct result of this "loophole"?  I'm actually interested.  Anyone injured from bullets 16-30 fired out of one of those converted magazines?  Any property damage identifiable as having been caused by bullet 16 through bullet 30?

This is the problem with trying to get around the 2nd amendment, rather than trying to repeal it or modify it.
Stupid laws are stupid and easily circumvented.  Look at the designer drugs and the designer drug bans.

Some countries have made prostitution legal, but made it illegal to pay a prostitute ... sheeeshhh.


The thing is the 2nd Amendments needs a revision to modernize it as weare way beyond anything the founding fathers could have foreseen,

Good luck getting it passed as the NRA would go full on berserk if an attempt was made even if if it did not strip away any gun rights.
 
2014-11-01 6:43:24 PM  

edmo: So people breaking the law = unenforceable.

Got it.


Nope. It's "those responsible for enforcing a law refusing to do so = unenforceable." The El Paso County Sheriff could go arrest the owner of the gun store mentioned in the article today. But since the El Paso County Sheriff opposes the law, he won't.

There's a line in the Declaration of Independence about governing "with the consent of the governed." The Colorado Legislature failed to recognize that, without some buy in from those who will actually execute the law, it doesn't really matter what you make illegal.
 
2014-11-01 6:43:30 PM  
But the laws probably helped them get them reelected, so mission accomplished.
 
2014-11-01 6:46:51 PM  

Saborlas: If you need more than 15 shots to defend yourself from a home intruder, you suck at guns and should have them taken away until you get some training.


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2014-11-01 6:50:48 PM  

syrynxx: Saborlas: If you need more than 15 shots to defend yourself from a home intruder, you suck at guns and should have them taken away until you get some training.

If you think the only reason to own a firearm is to defend yourself from a home intruder, you suck at individual rights and should have them taken away from you until you get some training.


You ammosexuals amuse me no end.
 
2014-11-01 6:51:09 PM  

BMFPitt: But the laws probably helped them get them reelected, so mission accomplished.


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2014-11-01 6:56:28 PM  
They didn't even mention the background check law. Less than 7% compliance rate. I feel safer.
 
2014-11-01 6:58:31 PM  

BMFPitt: But the laws probably helped them get them reelected, so mission accomplished.


If by elected you mean recalled.

CO lost a ton of tax revenue when magpul pulled up stakes and moved to Texas.
 
2014-11-01 7:02:36 PM  

potterydove: BMFPitt: But the laws probably helped them get them reelected, so mission accomplished.

If by elected you mean recalled.

CO lost a ton of tax revenue when magpul pulled up stakes and moved to Texas.


Magpul moved most of their Colorado operations to both Wyoming and Texas but they still have a corporate office in Colorado.
 
2014-11-01 7:04:41 PM  
"They're selling really, really fast," he said. "You're good to go."

Sure as long as the local Sheriff doesn't support and won't enforce the new law they're good to go.

Damned activist Sheriffs!
 
2014-11-01 7:09:10 PM  

quatchi: "They're selling really, really fast," he said. "You're good to go."

Sure as long as the local Sheriff doesn't support and won't enforce the new law they're good to go.

Damned activist Sheriffs!


Democracy is a biatch, huh?
 
2014-11-01 7:10:11 PM  
In other news, most Americans still think 2014 is the Wild West and that they need to be armed to the teeth to protect their worthless shiat.
 
2014-11-01 7:11:39 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: quatchi: "They're selling really, really fast," he said. "You're good to go."

Sure as long as the local Sheriff doesn't support and won't enforce the new law they're good to go.

Damned activist Sheriffs!

Democracy is a biatch, huh?


no purer way to demonstrate democracy then to ignore laws.
 
2014-11-01 7:12:24 PM  

grimlock1972: namatad: dahmers love zombie: Has anyone been killed by the 16th through the 30th bullet fired out of a converted magazine as a direct result of this "loophole"?  I'm actually interested.  Anyone injured from bullets 16-30 fired out of one of those converted magazines?  Any property damage identifiable as having been caused by bullet 16 through bullet 30?

This is the problem with trying to get around the 2nd amendment, rather than trying to repeal it or modify it.
Stupid laws are stupid and easily circumvented.  Look at the designer drugs and the designer drug bans.

Some countries have made prostitution legal, but made it illegal to pay a prostitute ... sheeeshhh.

The thing is the 2nd Amendments needs a revision to modernize it as weare way beyond anything the founding fathers could have foreseen,

Good luck getting it passed as the NRA would go full on berserk if an attempt was made even if if it did not strip away any gun rights.


So, how would you modernize the 2nd Amendment  in a way that did not strip rights?
 
2014-11-01 7:15:58 PM  

Derwood: In other news, most Americans still think 2014 is the Wild West and that they need to be armed to the teeth to protect their worthless shiat.


No, most Americans think they should be free to make choices that politicians would pointlessly take away. See: Prohibition, abortion, civil rights, marijuana, etc. The more politicians try to take things away from the citizenry, the more the citizens fight it. It's as much a matter of principle as it is anything else.
 
2014-11-01 7:17:15 PM  
I'm sure that even though the gun lobby knew all along it was unenforceable, they still screamed to high heaven all year long complaining about it.
 
2014-11-01 7:18:45 PM  

Daddy's Big Pink Man-Squirrel: As if this even matters.

Who reads magazines anymore?


Where do you think we get...clip art?

(runs)
 
2014-11-01 7:19:11 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: If i can't fit 35 rounds in my rifle how will i defend myself from the coming race war?

Answer me that libulardos


I thought the people Ferguson libulardos wanted the high cap mags to battle the militarized police who already carry eleventy thousand rounds of hollowpoint, people-of-color seeking, exploding death rounds that each white officer personally carries.
 
2014-11-01 7:19:59 PM  

BMFPitt: But the laws probably helped them get them reelected, so mission accomplished.


Ummm...didn't read the article, did ya?
 
2014-11-01 7:20:38 PM  

Tymast: Ow! That was my feelings!: quatchi: "They're selling really, really fast," he said. "You're good to go."

Sure as long as the local Sheriff doesn't support and won't enforce the new law they're good to go.

Damned activist Sheriffs!

Democracy is a biatch, huh?

no purer way to demonstrate democracy then to ignore laws.


County Sheriff is an elected position in Colorado. The people get to chose which laws will be enforced.

Colorado Democrats farked up and they will soon be replaced and this will no longer be an issue. Democracy is a beautiful thing.
 
2014-11-01 7:21:00 PM  

CheapEngineer: I'm sure that even though the gun lobby knew all along it was unenforceable, they still screamed to high heaven all year long complaining about it.


yeah because the old $15 Magpul in 30 rounds now costs $25 and a drill.
 
2014-11-01 7:24:01 PM  

potterydove: BMFPitt: But the laws probably helped them get them reelected, so mission accomplished.

If by elected you mean recalled.

CO lost a ton of tax revenue when magpul pulled up stakes and moved to Texas.



Hahahahahahahaha! You actually believe that?Magpul is a mold house, nothing more. They run molds that they didn't even make for themselves. The extent of their contribution to the local economy was a dozen or so process technicians making MAYBE $13/hr.If you've used any of their latest entries to the market, their metal MBUS, modular grips, etc., you're welcome./made the molds
 
2014-11-01 7:26:43 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: They didn't even mention the background check law. Less than 7% compliance rate. I feel safer.


That sounds successful
 
2014-11-01 7:26:58 PM  

iq_in_binary: potterydove: BMFPitt: But the laws probably helped them get them reelected, so mission accomplished.

If by elected you mean recalled.

CO lost a ton of tax revenue when magpul pulled up stakes and moved to Texas.


Hahahahahahahaha! You actually believe that?Magpul is a mold house, nothing more. They run molds that they didn't even make for themselves. The extent of their contribution to the local economy was a dozen or so process technicians making MAYBE $13/hr.If you've used any of their latest entries to the market, their metal MBUS, modular grips, etc., you're welcome./made the molds


Does Colorado have a corporate income tax? If yes, they lost a ton of money.
 
2014-11-01 7:28:10 PM  

PunGent: Daddy's Big Pink Man-Squirrel: As if this even matters.

Who reads magazines anymore?

Where do you think we get...clip art?

(runs)



Tattooed foreskins, of course.

(runs w/scissors)
 
2014-11-01 7:31:52 PM  

dr_blasto: Ow! That was my feelings!: They didn't even mention the background check law. Less than 7% compliance rate. I feel safer.

That sounds successful


Totally worth destroying the political careers of dozens of Colorado Democrats and setting back progressive politics multiple election cycles, fo sure.
 
2014-11-01 7:35:20 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: quatchi: "They're selling really, really fast," he said. "You're good to go."

Sure as long as the local Sheriff doesn't support and won't enforce the new law they're good to go.

Damned activist Sheriffs!

Democracy is a biatch, huh?


Electing Sheriffs like electing Judges isn't a biatch but it is pretty dumb
 
2014-11-01 7:36:29 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: dr_blasto: Ow! That was my feelings!: They didn't even mention the background check law. Less than 7% compliance rate. I feel safer.

That sounds successful

Totally worth destroying the political careers of dozens of Colorado Democrats and setting back progressive politics multiple election cycles, fo sure.


The payoff is the lives saved thanks to the substantdal reduction in the crime rate in the state due to the law.
 
2014-11-01 7:37:50 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: If i can't fit 35 rounds in my rifle how will i defend myself from the coming race war?

Answer me that libulardos


Maybe band together with some like minded individuals
 
2014-11-01 7:38:07 PM  
The clerk opened the package, put it together in 24 seconds and sold CBS4 the 30 round magazine for $25.

They are paying $25 bucks for something I can get in Alabama for less than $10. That's really showing them!
 
2014-11-01 7:39:18 PM  

Dimensio: The payoff is the lives saved thanks to the substantdal reduction in the crime rate in the state due to the law.


Cite?
 
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