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2001-12-13 12:20:33 PM  
MotherFarker: Haven't you heard? Bush is breaking from the treaty.
2001-12-13 12:21:10 PM  
No, the Netherlands is a region in the country of Holland.
2001-12-13 12:21:31 PM  
Do they have to praise Allah in EVERY FARKING SENTENCE?

What a bunch of ass-kissers...
2001-12-13 12:22:05 PM  
The ABM is "supposed" to be kept for the next 6 months...
2001-12-13 12:23:02 PM  
word, Mon
it doesn't take a liberal to tramp on people's rights
2001-12-13 12:23:48 PM  
Why was the release of the tape now? It seems that this tape has been in existance for weeks. ah well.

Osama, according to the tape, has said many an incriminating thing. He doesnt directly say "yeah i told those guys to hijack planes and crash them into the wtc towers" but hey, we have to make assumptions right.
2001-12-13 12:24:01 PM  
the quitting of ABM link is http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/12/13/rec.bush.abm/index.html if anyone is interested.
2001-12-13 12:24:16 PM  
For those of you who say that this tape is fake, what reason do you have for believing this?

because it came from the US Government?
2001-12-13 12:26:43 PM  
anybody have it on a mirror? work firewall not letting me get it from cnn. that or it's farked.
2001-12-13 12:27:18 PM  
Thanks for sorting out the confusing about Holland. For a second there I had this twilight zoney feeling that I was here, but really wasn't, or maybe at least. Then I continued masturbating frantically, but that's irrelevant.
2001-12-13 12:27:40 PM  
Sigh...I was skepitcal as anyone else when the tape was announced, but I also didn't know they would release it so soon.

If you ask me, it's a huge, HUGE risk for the American government to put anything that is not genuine into the public limelight. It's just too much. I don't care how confident they are of their abilities, if the shiat hit the fan, the US governent would have some serious 'splainin' to do... and risking Civil War or even just completely losing international authority would weigh heavily on the creators' minds. I trust it as real.

How sad it is that the only two groups of people left in the world willing to actually get up, take a stand, and fight for what they believe in are doing it against the other...while constantly being henpecked by non-resolute pricks with no sense of empathy for anything. Even worse that one of those groups takes time to make sure those pricks know that they are listening.

People of the world, you have three valid choices; any other opinion is simply vacuous rhetoric:

1.)Believe what the US is doing is right, and support it in whatever ways you can, being mindful to question if necessary.

2.)Believe what the terrorists are doing is right, and support it in whatever ways you can, etc.

3.)Believe something else, and actually go out and do whatever you can to realize it. And prepare to face the consequences, if it involves sabotage of US government technology (*wink* Rei *wink*).
2001-12-13 12:27:56 PM  
I think I probably could have handled the video and all that he said if they hadn't been laughing and smiling about the whole thing. "No, NO! The muslims were NOT cheering. That's all lies." Uh huh. What do you call that? To those who lost loved ones in the attacks, this video must have rubbed salt into the wounds. Can you imagine people laughing and praising god that your father had died?
2001-12-13 12:28:27 PM  
imagine if our country was "governed" by people with 5th grade educations from fundamentalist christian academies!

It is. How else would one describe Dubya (ok, clearly for Dubya you'd have to add in drug-addict/coke-snorter)
2001-12-13 12:28:40 PM  
Woody TX,
What you're saying about no death being too quick for pond scum like Osama, that is completely wrong.

A quick death would be merciful. I'm not feeling very merciful today. So capture him and then beat the living fuc/k out of him. but don't let him die just yet... oh no no no... stitch him up, the n do it over and over and over again. Or make him eat his own shiat until he dies from food poisoning. Or we could torture him by electrocuting him by wrapping a copper wire around his nutsack then sticking it in an outlet but NOt a lethal dosage so we can do it over and over and over. Or we could do all three for several years or decades. NOT something quick, like a bullet in them head. A quick death is too good for him. He doesn't deserve the luxury of a quick death.
2001-12-13 12:29:29 PM  
So to summarise our choice is

1) agree with whatever the USA does
2) Join Ben Laden

Sorry I dont accept that choice.
2001-12-13 12:30:21 PM  
Hey pips,
Do you think the next one is Somalia or Iraq?
I bet for Somalia.
2001-12-13 12:31:30 PM  
The designer and the buidlers DID know what would happen to TWC if a fully fueled plane hit one of the towers. The towers were built to withstand the impact but the asbestos scare changed the fire retardency to something lesser and the buildings were only designed to stand for about 4 hours in the event of a catastrophic fire and that that would be time enough to get all the survivers out. What was not expected was that it would be done deliberately. The thoughts were any plane hitting TWC would be arriving with little fuel on board, not 2 that had just taken off with full tanks.

I have no idea if the US govt made a fake but I believe it would if it suited the Fed's purpose to make one. With Hollywood's technology and computer animation, anything can be done. Note "The Matrix". Using simple scanning of a person's existing profile (film, photos, whatever) as a base and computers, an entire movie could be made that was indistinguishable from reality. There's no real way to tell the difference between real and fake and with something like this is even easier because people WANT to believe (see topic about psychics).
2001-12-13 12:32:05 PM  
Dear peacenik farkwads,

We told you so.

That is all.
2001-12-13 12:34:11 PM  
In other news, it's official: Noam Choamsky is a farking moron.
2001-12-13 12:34:24 PM  
Dude.. what did you tell the peaceniks, you big bad man?
2001-12-13 12:34:46 PM  
NEZ and Fumanshu

"No, the Netherlands is a region in the country of Holland"
.....oh my god you are a farking moron!!!

And America is a region in the US?!?
2001-12-13 12:35:14 PM  
im kind of upset.
i wanted loud arabic music and belly dancers.

2001-12-13 12:36:03 PM  

I picked up the Life of Brian reference and pissed myself laughing.
2001-12-13 12:36:12 PM  
Personally I wold giev up all the money and possessions I have just to watch Ouchy the Clown nail this guy..

Harmonia - What choices would you prefer? Getting nuked?
2001-12-13 12:36:56 PM  
I think it'll be Somalia, too... especially if all the chicks there look like Iman. Pretty.
2001-12-13 12:37:15 PM  
Wow it took less than 90 minutes for the Bush bashing to begin. I'm shocked. </sarcasm>

Anywho, after watching the film, I'm convinced. Bush has also pulled the US out of the ABM treaty today and prepare for the analysis to be on the cable news channels ad nauseum.
2001-12-13 12:37:48 PM  
Does anyone have a mirror or annother site that I can get teh released clip from having problems getting it downloaded I suspect it is due to high demand
2001-12-13 12:38:09 PM  
"Kneel, son of Jor-el! Kneel before Ouchy!"
2001-12-13 12:38:23 PM  
MilkIt: Get an atlas you moron and prove me wrong.
2001-12-13 12:39:16 PM  
Vman: try msnbc, abcnews, etc etc
2001-12-13 12:40:26 PM  
We could also throw bin laden in jail with a gay BIG guy named Bubba, and Bubba makes bin laden his he-biatch.

Bubba: osamie, you dropped your soap.

Osama: no, i didn't.

Bubba: Yeah you did. (knocks the soap out of osama's hand). Now pick it up.

Osama: no, please, dear allah, no.

Bubba: yeah buddy, yeah. Oooh, yeah.

2001-12-13 12:40:26 PM  
"Who's yo daddy? You know who yo daddy is Osama? Its me! Ouchy! Know why? Cause I did this to yo MAMA! Yeah, Osama's Mama!"

Anyone know where thats based off of?
2001-12-13 12:41:14 PM  
'damn whiteboy'
'my man would stick his dick in a he-monkey'
2001-12-13 12:41:15 PM  
Oh, and for those of you who think this might be a fake, I'd say, wait a couple of days. If even ONE reputable news organization has their video guys and linguists go over it and say: 'This is a fake', then I might listen.

But the Bush administration has far too much to lose in this situation to create a fake. This conspiracy bullshiat has gotten way out of hand, and people have gone crazy. I'm not a bush fan myself, but c'mon.. after JFK got shot, this country went farking insane with the conspiracy stuff. Dumb.
2001-12-13 12:43:38 PM  
Gumbo: So you would trust a media company to actually do some investigating? And find the truth? And then report the story?
2001-12-13 12:45:15 PM  
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2001-12-13 12:45:28 PM  
Conspiracy! I say conspiracy!!
Now let's invade Somalia ok?
2001-12-13 12:46:08 PM  
Nez: of course. Because if someone can find *proof* that it's a fake, it would literally be the biggest news story of the decade.. probably bigger than 9/11 itself. No news organization is going to let that go without checking digital and editing manipulation. There's too much money at stake..

Reporters can be assholes, but you can trust them to blow the whistle on a fake tape. Whoever could do it would be the instant God of American journalism.
2001-12-13 12:46:10 PM  
I have no idea if the US govt made a fake but I believe it would if it suited the Fed's purpose to make one. With Hollywood's technology and computer animation, anything can be done. Note "The Matrix". Using simple scanning of a person's existing profile (film, photos, whatever) as a base and computers, an entire movie could be made that was indistinguishable from reality. There's no real way to tell the difference between real and fake and with something like this is even easier because people WANT to believe (see topic about psychics).

That's just insipid. It takes months and months of serious hard work to do that kind of shiat, and it still would never pass for reality. Did you not SEE the matrix, or jurassic park, or Titanic? The best fake computer stuff in in the world still looks like fake computer stuff even to the naked eye.
2001-12-13 12:46:13 PM  
Anybody else notice the line near the end, "the american people were afraid it was a coup"(or something to that extent)?

I think that should show everyone how truly ludicrous it is to say that we should "address the root causes of terrorism". He comes from a completely different world, one in which military coups are a fact of life, as is repressive government, violence, and hatred. Sympathizers seem to think that terrorists think the same way we do, but they don't.

We Americans, and other Westerners (as well as all yall Aussies and everyone else in civilized countries) don't realize how great we really have it. I hear so much biatching about how the American government is pulling the wool over eyes, doing horrible things, etc etc. This is a government that has been more or less stable for over two hundred years! A military coup in America is incomprehensible!!!! We have infinite more freedoms than the typical Pakistani. Simply put, no government is perfect, but our corporate republic is vastly superior to any tyrrany or monarchy.

We cannot deal with terrorists or their ilk on the terms with which we deal with one another. They are not like us. We are more educated, more liberal, and we know what it is like to live in a free society. They don't. Their world is built on hatred, fear, prejudice, and naivete. The chaos in Afghanistan is not a "humanitarian crisis" to them, it is life. They have no clue how truly great it is to live in a democratic society.

As such, dealing with them like equals, like people who think the way we do and thus act the way we would act, and therefore must have legitimate beefs, is foolish. They do not think the way we do. Their hatred of our society is not based on our morals, it is based on their morals. They are relics of the past, raised in a land stuck in the past, who don't know how great it can be.
2001-12-13 12:46:50 PM  
so fake...has anybody noticed how Bin laden looks fat in the first part - when the audio is really bad - and then magically loses 15 pounds or so in the second part......well they found a tape but they "added" a more dramatic scene with the "fat" Bin laden double confessing.....
2001-12-13 12:48:10 PM  
MotherFarker: Nice! Another variation for ya.

OBL is sent to prison, and he's put into a cell with Bubba. Bubba says, "So, we's gonna be here in prison a LONG time." OBL says, "Uh.... yes. Allah, be merciful." Bubba says, "And we's gonna get pretty lonely in this cell all by ourselves, huh?" OBL says, "Yes." Bubba says, "So I guess we have to be husband and wife, then. What do you wanna be... the husband or the wife?"

OBL's heart sings a little and he says "Praise Allah!! I will be the husband." Then Bubba says "OK, den. Get over here and suck yo' wife's CACK!"
2001-12-13 12:48:21 PM  
GumboPants: Even if it had "FAKE" written across it in big leeters,

a) People like Fb- and his ilk would still swallow it.
b) Bush n' co would still push it as real
c) Media trying to say it was fake would be quashed/spun
d) The bombing would go on whatever.
2001-12-13 12:48:43 PM  
I say if we ever get bin Laden alive, we should release him. That's right, set him completely free. Right in the middle of Times Square. And declare it "Whacking Day".
2001-12-13 12:49:22 PM  
Are you kidding me? There's no reason to doubt the legitimacy of this tape!

When George W. gets home, there's gonna be another floor on his house.
2001-12-13 12:49:24 PM  
I read the transcript, and allthough Osama bin Laden seems happy with the results, I fail to see anything indicating he actually planned the attacks.

Also I wonder where all the real, hard, undeniable, unrefutable, etc, etc, etc evidence went the USA claimed to have before they attacked Afghanistan. Suddenly a videotape with a small bit of gloating is considered the most important piece of evidence. In a real court something like this videotape would not be enough to have someone convicted.

I think it's very unwise of the US to act like this, lie about having evidence and then somehow forgetting to ever mention it again, hoping people will have forgotten about it a few weeks later. Now if the US says they have proof another country is involved with terrorists, they have to act on their own or show the world real evidence, as much less countries will trust the US now.
2001-12-13 12:49:31 PM  
Gumbo: I'm so sure the govt would allow that to happen.
2001-12-13 12:51:30 PM  

There are almost no terrorist 'sympathizers' in America. When people mean address the root causes, they mean addressing the peace process in Isreal, and basically being less mercenary and less of an asshole to the Middle Eastern countries and being more of a (guarded) partner.

There are a total of 3 people in the country (all in Berkley) who actually mean 'just being nicer to the terrorists'.

But don't denigrate a very good argument by representing it as something no one believes.
2001-12-13 12:51:40 PM  
Popken - try reading the news about the other evidence. This is only very recently obtained evidence. The rest has to be kept secret to protect intelligence sources.
2001-12-13 12:52:17 PM  
Harmonia, I know where you are heading with this, and I'll try to stop it now.

The final choice is where you come in. I doubt many people from the Western Hemisphere would choose Choice 2, so I left you an out with Choice 3. It isn't groundbreaking, it simply says that if you believe otherwise, your opinion is only valid if you try to realize it. While I can honestly admit that Rei talking about sabotaging US equipment (NOT in this thread) so that she can impose her opinion on others inflames me to no end, I would have to at least commend her slightly if she actually doing it. To simply sit their in your seat and tell someone they are wrong without offering a conceivable and viable alternative isn't helping to change the situation that we all detest into something better(of course, your definition of "conceivable and viable" probably differs from mine).

Basically, I am just chastizing inactivity. If you have an opinion, don't go to extremes by declaring it universally right and then sit and do nothing to realize it...

Of course, that kind of reasoning is what started this whole thing anyway...sigh, I hate the world these days.
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