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2014-10-08 7:48:28 PM  
"As a Western civilization, we're to blame for a lot of the problems that we're facing now," one student said during an interview. "I don't think anyone would argue that we didn't create the problem of ISIS, ourselves."

That's must be why the world is now asking us to fix it.

America: the hammer that breaks things and then nails them back together.

/although seriously, they could go back to the British empire if they wanted to spread the blame around a little more.
 
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2014-10-08 7:49:44 PM  
Oh yeah?  Shut up.
 
2014-10-08 7:50:11 PM  
How did they come to the conclusion that the US is a major threat to the world? Did they all look into a giant mirror?
 
2014-10-08 7:56:30 PM  
"As a Western civilization, we're to blame for a lot of the problems that we're facing now," one student said during an interview. "I don't think anyone would argue that we didn't create the problem of ISIS, ourselves."

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2014-10-08 7:59:24 PM  
How any nukes does ISIS have?

I rest my case.
 
2014-10-08 8:02:47 PM  
Sometimes they overreact, but looking at the big picture, the Harvardites have it right.  ISIS messes with their region.  We have a bit of a history of messing with not only THEIR region, but everywhere else.  If nothing else, we created the Iraq clusterfark, which destabilized the region a bit more than ISIS could even pretend to.
 
2014-10-08 8:03:58 PM  
Duh?

Maybe if you're getting consensus from Harvard students you should consider that they might be correct.
 
2014-10-08 8:05:27 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Sometimes they overreact, but looking at the big picture, the Harvardites have it right.  ISIS messes with their region.  We have a bit of a history of messing with not only THEIR region, but everywhere else.  If nothing else, we created the Iraq clusterfark, which destabilized the region a bit more than ISIS could even pretend to.


Look at the financial manipulation of Wall Street. That's probably the single greatest threat that world peace is facing currently, and it definitely does affect every corner of the globe.
 
2014-10-08 8:08:19 PM  
Have you never paid attention to Fox?

These students are anti-American traders.  American can do no wrong.
 
2014-10-08 8:12:36 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Have you never paid attention to Fox?

These students are anti-American traders.  American can do no wrong.


Wouldn't be surprised if they all came from that anti-America school in Colorado that teaches their version of liberal "history".
 
2014-10-08 8:18:22 PM  
Isn't Obama from Harvard?  And he's American?  Ergo, Obama is a greater threat to the world than ISIS.
 
2014-10-08 8:26:12 PM  
"American imperialism and our protection of oil interests in the Middle East are destabilizing the region and allowing groups like ISIS to gain power," said another student.

Yup.  But let's not let that get in the way of a nice latte liberal bash.
 
2014-10-08 8:27:36 PM  
But American Exceptionalism!!!
 
2014-10-08 8:47:13 PM  

SphericalTime: Look at the financial manipulation of Wall Street. That's probably the single greatest threat that world peace is facing currently, and it definitely does affect every corner of the globe.


And the ranks of Wall Street big swinging dicks are historically comprised of a rather large number of...Harvard MBAs.
 
2014-10-08 9:27:49 PM  
Wait, didn't Bush and Obama both graduate from Harvard?

I mean, objectively, wouldn't that make Harvard itself a bigger threat to the World than ISIS?
 
2014-10-08 9:29:16 PM  
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And people still go hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to go to Harvard?
 
2014-10-08 9:30:15 PM  

dittybopper: Wait, didn't Bush and Obama both graduate from Harvard?

I mean, objectively, wouldn't that make Harvard itself a bigger threat to the World than ISIS?


Bush went to Yale for undergrad studies.
 
2014-10-08 9:35:12 PM  
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2014-10-08 9:37:54 PM  

StrikitRich: [img3.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x629]

And people still go hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to go to Harvard?


Harvard wouldn't let you in, huh?
 
2014-10-08 9:43:09 PM  

dittybopper: Wait, didn't Bush and Obama both graduate from Harvard?

I mean, objectively, wouldn't that make Harvard itself a bigger threat to the World than ISIS?


It makes it a farking diploma mill for rich people.
 
2014-10-08 9:52:56 PM  

Mugato: dittybopper: Wait, didn't Bush and Obama both graduate from Harvard?

I mean, objectively, wouldn't that make Harvard itself a bigger threat to the World than ISIS?

It makes it a farking diploma mill for rich people.


That doesn't really contradict what I said.  If anything, it confirms it.
 
2014-10-08 9:57:00 PM  
the "interviewer," young caleb, is a well-known, fox-sponsored troll. i wouldn't read too much into his 1.41 seconds of edited footage
 
2014-10-08 9:57:48 PM  
bite me
 
2014-10-08 9:58:28 PM  
sorry, "1 minute 41 seconds of edited footage"
 
2014-10-08 10:00:35 PM  
Obvious tag being waterboarded?
 
2014-10-08 10:17:48 PM  

Rain-Monkey: "American imperialism and our protection of oil interests in the Middle East are destabilizing the region and allowing groups like ISIS to gain power," said another student.

Yup.  But let's not let that get in the way of a nice latte liberal bash.


I'm a liberal and know that it's complete BS to say that the U.S. caused ISIS or is the biggest threat to world peace.

US foreign policy has largely been pro-self governance and pro-status quo over the last century. It is actually incredible how much ordinance the U.S. has expended to keep the global map looking the same. This is not to say that the US has been a global hero. It's hands are incredibly bloody and its foreign policy mistakes are legion.

ISIS gains power because there is oil under the Arabian Penesula. They are bank rolled by super conservative backwards people who have the means to finance religious schools and foreign wars. The Saudi government tries to balance outside pressure to neuter these fools, which do not make up a small portion of their population, and tolerating enough of their wahhabist crap to keep peace in the Kingdom. No matter what the US does or who is running the Arabian Nations, these people have the means and the desire to do exactly what they are doing now. The networks that became ISIS were already formed prior to the US invasion in 2003 and can be traced to the 80s and 90s.
 
2014-10-08 10:35:07 PM  
The U.S. has Ebola. ISIS doesn't.

Yet.
 
2014-10-08 10:41:14 PM  

b2theory: Rain-Monkey: "American imperialism and our protection of oil interests in the Middle East are destabilizing the region and allowing groups like ISIS to gain power," said another student.

Yup.  But let's not let that get in the way of a nice latte liberal bash.

I'm a liberal and know that it's complete BS to say that the U.S. caused ISIS or is the biggest threat to world peace.

US foreign policy has largely been pro-self governance and pro-status quo over the last century. It is actually incredible how much ordinance the U.S. has expended to keep the global map looking the same. This is not to say that the US has been a global hero. It's hands are incredibly bloody and its foreign policy mistakes are legion.

ISIS gains power because there is oil under the Arabian Penesula. They are bank rolled by super conservative backwards people who have the means to finance religious schools and foreign wars. The Saudi government tries to balance outside pressure to neuter these fools, which do not make up a small portion of their population, and tolerating enough of their wahhabist crap to keep peace in the Kingdom. No matter what the US does or who is running the Arabian Nations, these people have the means and the desire to do exactly what they are doing now. The networks that became ISIS were already formed prior to the US invasion in 2003 and can be traced to the 80s and 90s.


Yeah.  Good luck on that upcoming IRS audit, buddy.
 
2014-10-08 10:47:03 PM  

BravadoGT: b2theory: Rain-Monkey: "American imperialism and our protection of oil interests in the Middle East are destabilizing the region and allowing groups like ISIS to gain power," said another student.

Yup.  But let's not let that get in the way of a nice latte liberal bash.

I'm a liberal and know that it's complete BS to say that the U.S. caused ISIS or is the biggest threat to world peace.

US foreign policy has largely been pro-self governance and pro-status quo over the last century. It is actually incredible how much ordinance the U.S. has expended to keep the global map looking the same. This is not to say that the US has been a global hero. It's hands are incredibly bloody and its foreign policy mistakes are legion.

ISIS gains power because there is oil under the Arabian Penesula. They are bank rolled by super conservative backwards people who have the means to finance religious schools and foreign wars. The Saudi government tries to balance outside pressure to neuter these fools, which do not make up a small portion of their population, and tolerating enough of their wahhabist crap to keep peace in the Kingdom. No matter what the US does or who is running the Arabian Nations, these people have the means and the desire to do exactly what they are doing now. The networks that became ISIS were already formed prior to the US invasion in 2003 and can be traced to the 80s and 90s.

Yeah.  Good luck on that upcoming IRS audit, buddy.


Wut?
 
2014-10-08 11:26:59 PM  
We're asking some of the smartest students in the world and somehow THEY'RE "stupid". Ok, mmhmm.
 
2014-10-08 11:44:18 PM  
The last time I checked, ISIS doesn't have thousands of thermonuclear weapons at their disposal.
 
2014-10-08 11:44:19 PM  

jaylectricity: We're asking some of the smartest students in the world and somehow THEY'RE "stupid". Ok, mmhmm.


Harvard eggheads have been getting us into a lot of fine messes over the last hundred or so years.
 
2014-10-08 11:45:28 PM  
Yeah, ISIS is Sunni.  They can't spread much beyond Sunni areas of Iraq and Western Syria.  They're a bunch of complete assholes, but they're limited in potential scope and scale.  The USA on the other hand is much, much more powerful.

Of course, the students are the farkers who are going to be running the place in 40 years, so they're basically saying that they shouldn't be trusted.

/Of course, as mentioned, the USA hasn't been great for the region, but Farking Sykes and Picot, man.  Hundred years on and they're still causing issues.
//"I should like to draw a line from the  e in Acre to the last  k in Kirkuk."
 
2014-10-08 11:45:34 PM  
Is there someone arguing that ISIS has more global influence than the U.S.? Of course America has a greater risk of doing something with much worse consequences than ISIS but that is simply because we have more power, influence, and resources. Of course on the other side of that coin we also have more chance and likelihood of doing greater good in the world too.
 
2014-10-08 11:46:17 PM  

b2theory: Rain-Monkey: "American imperialism and our protection of oil interests in the Middle East are destabilizing the region and allowing groups like ISIS to gain power," said another student.

Yup.  But let's not let that get in the way of a nice latte liberal bash.

I'm a liberal and know that it's complete BS to say that the U.S. caused ISIS or is the biggest threat to world peace.

US foreign policy has largely been pro-self governance and pro-status quo over the last century. It is actually incredible how much ordinance the U.S. has expended to keep the global map looking the same. This is not to say that the US has been a global hero. It's hands are incredibly bloody and its foreign policy mistakes are legion.

ISIS gains power because there is oil under the Arabian Penesula. They are bank rolled by super conservative backwards people who have the means to finance religious schools and foreign wars. The Saudi government tries to balance outside pressure to neuter these fools, which do not make up a small portion of their population, and tolerating enough of their wahhabist crap to keep peace in the Kingdom. No matter what the US does or who is running the Arabian Nations, these people have the means and the desire to do exactly what they are doing now. The networks that became ISIS were already formed prior to the US invasion in 2003 and can be traced to the 80s and 90s.


So do you think ISIS would be a threat if Saddam or Qusay were still in power in Iraq? And why is it that neither one of them are in power in Iraq?
 
2014-10-08 11:46:31 PM  
Duh, because America does no wrong, being guided by its gods Ronald Reagan, Thomas Jefferson, and Andrew Jackson, who, before their ascension to deity, did absolutely no wrong by any people, given a limited racial, ethnic, and economic definition of "people".
 
2014-10-08 11:47:19 PM  
Gee, I wonder who's more dangerous:

1) A regional power with minimal high-end military hardware and about 20,000 fighters.

2) The worlds largest military with enough nuclear ordnance to kill everyone on the planet and a history of starting or wading into overseas wars.
 
2014-10-08 11:47:35 PM  
They got most of their SAT questions right, but students at Harvard blew this lay-up posed by the college blog Campus Reform: Who is the bigger threat to world peace, ISIS or the U.S.?
Various students at the hallowed Ivy League school said they believe that America, not the Muslim fanatics who behead innocent people, is the biggest threat to world peace.


So, Fox News thinks that American's not Number One? What a bunch of anti-American hooey! If American wants to be the biggest threat to world peace, we damn well can do it, and none of those Fox News eggheads are going to tell us we can't! Hooah!
 
2014-10-08 11:48:19 PM  
I'd like to see a list of the questions posed by this "interviewer".
 
2014-10-08 11:48:26 PM  

StrikitRich: dittybopper: Wait, didn't Bush and Obama both graduate from Harvard?

I mean, objectively, wouldn't that make Harvard itself a bigger threat to the World than ISIS?

Bush went to Yale for undergrad studies.


I knew about the cocaine but I didn't know that Bush was also a closet homosexual too.
 
2014-10-08 11:49:17 PM  
America, even. Geez.
 
2014-10-08 11:50:35 PM  

Savage Belief: I'd like to see a list of the questions posed by this "interviewer".


"Are you not not not not notnotnotnot a dirty commie?"
"Socialistsayswhat?"
"Is America the greatest country, or God's country?"
 
2014-10-08 11:50:43 PM  
The US holds the key to world peace.  Just launch all the missiles.
 
2014-10-08 11:50:58 PM  
Huh-huh. Smart people are stupid.
 
2014-10-08 11:54:15 PM  
In a certain, very real sense, the US is much more powerful so much more of a threat. And the US has a habit of bombing the shiat out of people, continuously, or selling arms and stirring up trouble. Much more blood was shed either by the US or because of the US in the last 10 years than by any group of crazies, even ISIS.

As for the cause of ISIS, I would point that finger right at Saudi Arabia. The US just gave them an opportunity by taking out Saddam and leaving a mess.

But in another sense, ISIS is a real threat. They aren't that powerful, really, and mostly are a threat to societies already wracked by civil war (Syria and Iraq had a full plate, so ISIS doing so well there is a bit like beating up a cripple). But their ideology is a threat in the longer term - if they were to become established, they would be like a more militant version of Saudi Arabia. As much as we like to think fanatical religion is crazy, it IS a very successful way to gain a following and take over places.

ISIS could be a threat, if it were to sit and fester for a decade or so. I think they pulled the "caliphate" card too early, but then again it may have been the best card for them and may end with them holding territory and the US giving up (look at Afghanistan, where that eventual outcome seems inevitable). I am not worried, though, and won't be until they take parts of Saudi Arabia or someplace that isn't falling apart already.
 
2014-10-08 11:54:34 PM  
know what?
the kid's right.
isolationist foreign policy from here on out.

oh, you want help with that little ebola outbreak? sorry. ask the Norwegians I hear they have universal healthcare.
tsunami wiped out your largest city? that's gotta suck. surely some other world power has a navy nearby that can provide aid.
crazed bands of militants raping and murdering their way through your home because you're the wrong flavor of muslim? sucks to be you... have you consulted with Iran to see if maybe they can convince them to stop?

yeah, we need to involve ourselves less in things that don't concern us, but let's be realistic here. the second the US says "not our problem" the rest of the world condemns us for not doing enough.
 
2014-10-08 11:54:53 PM  
It's an indisputable fact but it makes me feel uncomfortable to think about. Better roll my eyes harder.
 
2014-10-08 11:59:19 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: the second the US says "not our problem" the rest of the world condemns us for not doing enough.


Since when does the US take marching orders from that pack of hooligans?
 
2014-10-08 11:59:32 PM  
In other news, self-absorbed college-age students trying to sound enlightened instead come across as naive and lacking in perspective.
 
2014-10-09 12:00:00 AM  
They are not really wrong (if a little naive). Can anyone here really say the second gulf war didn't clusterfark the hell out of the region and create the current crisis? Truly? Doesn't mean whats being done now is wrong by definition, or that the rotten islamist shiatbags doing what they do are not rotten shiatbags.

Oh and the horrific journalism.. it burns to read it.
 
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