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2014-09-17 12:31:11 PM  

Geotpf: cameroncrazy1984: Is Tyson's point invalid? If not, what's the problem?

If you quote somebody, you should, you know, actually quote somebody instead of pulling random crap out of your ass.  It invalidates everything else you say and makes you an unreliable source.


He didn't quote. He paraphrased.
 
2014-09-17 12:32:21 PM  

Geotpf: Yes, the author is a right wing partisan.  That doesn't mean he is necessarily wrong in this particular case.  He presents a compelling argument that Tyson appears to make up a lot of quotes and anecdotes out of thin air.


Pretty much my thoughts here as well.  Generally science folks are a bit more careful with the facts.  That does not appear to be the case here as it appears that a political agenda outweighs the goal of being truthful.
 
2014-09-17 12:35:55 PM  

Jackson Herring: Shakin_Haitian: Has anyone gone through all Bush's speeches yet or are we taking a known propagandist at his word that NdGT got some shiat wrong?

bush definitely said it, but Science Person had the context wrong

therefore he lied, bald eagles cried, etc


I wanna know how this Tyson bastard displays an American flag!
 
2014-09-17 12:36:36 PM  

Chummer45: Looks like we'll never put a man on mars now.


img.fark.netView Full Size


Chummer45: That's alright, Jesus will be back any day now so this is all irrelevant.


Also good.

/Actually, wtg SpaceX / Boeing. wooooo!
 
2014-09-17 12:36:45 PM  

HeadLever: Geotpf: Yes, the author is a right wing partisan.  That doesn't mean he is necessarily wrong in this particular case.  He presents a compelling argument that Tyson appears to make up a lot of quotes and anecdotes out of thin air.

Pretty much my thoughts here as well.  Generally science folks are a bit more careful with the facts.  That does not appear to be the case here as it appears that a political agenda outweighs the goal of being truthful.



If his "political agenda" is to raise awareness as to how absurd the anti-science sentiment is amongst right wingers, then I'm ok with this.  Also, I love that the derp has become so ingrained on the right that a scientist speaking out against stupidity and scientific ignorance now constitutes a political agenda.
 
2014-09-17 12:39:18 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: He didn't quote. He paraphrased.


The problem is there is no proof he even said anything similar in the timeframe of the weeks following 9/11.  Regarding whether he is directly quoting or paraphrasing is pretty much irrelevant when neither occurred.
 
2014-09-17 12:39:43 PM  

Chummer45: The problem is that you are buying into the "NDGT lies all the time" bullshiat that this stupid blogger is prattling on about.  And by fixating on ultimately inconsequential errors in his remarks, you're acting like he's either stupid or blatantly distorting science to fit a political agenda.  Neither could be further from the truth.


He gave four examples where it appears Tyson made up quotes or anecotes out of thin air.

1. The Bush quote in question
2. The "average" newspaper headline
3. The congressman quote
4. The jury duty ancedote

The author also says that those were the only four he examined so far (so Tyson told the truth zero times out of four).  No way to prove that, of course; the author could be lying here as well.
 
2014-09-17 12:40:01 PM  
Ben Domenech

Benjamin Domenech is the publisher of The Federalist and writes The Transom, a daily subscription newsletter for political insiders. Domenech also serves as a senior fellow at The Heartland Institute, specializing in health care and entitlement policy. He previously worked as speechwriter to HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson, and as chief speechwriter for U.S. Senator John Cornyn of Texas. Domenech is also editor in chief of The City, an academic journal on faith and culture; and co-host of Coffee & Markets, an award-winning podcast focused on politics, policy, and the marketplace. He co-founded Redstate and appears regularly on Fox News, MSNBC, and The Blaze. He lives in Virginia. Email him at ben­[nospam-﹫-backwards]ts­i­l­are­defeht*co­m


After initially denying the plagiarism allegations, Domenech apolgized, writing in a RedState post entitled "Contrition," that "[t]here is no excuse for this.... I hope that nothing I've done as a teenager or in my professional life will reflect badly on the movement and principles I believe in."[31]

More recently, Domenech was involved in a journalism scandal that resulted in the removal of his work from The Washington Examiner and the Huffington Post when it was disclosed that Domenech received $36,000 from Joshua Trevino, a conservative pundit and lobbbyist, to write favorable opinion pieces about the government of Malaysia without disclosing the relationship. The payments came to light when Trevino registered as a foreign agent of the Malaysian government.[32]
 
2014-09-17 12:40:12 PM  

Chummer45: If his "political agenda" is to raise awareness as to how absurd the anti-science sentiment is amongst right wingers, then I'm ok with this.


By lying and making stuff up?

Ok,  Backsintobush.jpg
 
2014-09-17 12:40:18 PM  

Chummer45: Also, I love that the derp has become so ingrained on the right that a scientist speaking out against stupidity and scientific ignorance now constitutes a political agenda.


The Tea Party was founded on it.
 
2014-09-17 12:43:15 PM  

Fart_Machine: The Tea Party was founded on it.


And unfortunately, it appears that others are latching on to the same idea.
 
2014-09-17 12:45:14 PM  

HeadLever: Chummer45: If his "political agenda" is to raise awareness as to how absurd the anti-science sentiment is amongst right wingers, then I'm ok with this.

By lying and making stuff up?

Ok,  Backsintobush.jpg



You're presuming that this right wing hack is correct that NDGT is out there "lying and making stuff up."  Even the examples he's giving don't indicate any evidence that he did anything except possibly misquote someone, or tell a personal anecdote in an inconsistent way.

I guarantee if you took anyone who regularly publicly talks about anything you could easily find similar examples of them "lying and making stuff up."  but more importantly, this IN NO WAY UNDERMINES HIS CREDIBILITY AS A SCIENTIST.  He's not a historian talking about things that Bush said during his term, he's a freakin scientist.
 
2014-09-17 12:45:49 PM  

MrBallou: ecmoRandomNumbers: The very punchable author's face:
[img.fark.net image 390x412]

Where does the line to punch him form?


I was infromed that it is in front of this form.
 
2014-09-17 12:48:48 PM  

Geotpf: AurizenDarkstar: Based on Geotpf is saying, we can disregard everything that NDT has said due to his being wrong on a misquotation, right?

No, I'm saying that his job is to show the general public the truth (about science), and casually lying (on multiple occasions) hurts his ability to be seen as an honest broker of the truth.


I see that you have no problem just assuming that he is lying. You cannot even entertain the idea that he might have just been mistaken or remembering the specifics incorrectly. He's not infallible, he's a human being and human beings make mistakes. Is not even a big mistake. I understand that you and others have an axe to grind. You hate the man because he champions science instead of superstition. It makes you look small and petty, but if that's all you have than run with it right.
 
2014-09-17 12:51:37 PM  

Chummer45: You're presuming that this right wing hack is correct that NDGT is out there "lying and making stuff up."


I have yet to see anyone show us where Bush said anything to the effect of Our God is the God who named the stars' within a week of 9/11.  If you can provide that citation, then I'll agree that this author is a hack. If he is correct, then it should be pretty easy to find.

Minus that proof, it appears that this author is correct and that the entire premise of NDGT's rant regarding Bush's 'us v. them' division has a foundation of quicksand.
 
2014-09-17 12:52:08 PM  
I read this thinking, "who the fark doesn't like NDT"? I have watched the whole video from The Amazing Meeting that this guy is picking on in his article, and Tyson himself called that talk "Brain Droppings".  The presentation the NDT gave is more of comedy routine than science talk (if you can't tell from the title). For those of you who only know NDT from Cosmos he is actually funnier than many comedians, and much like the stories that comedians tell to set up jokes aren't researched to see whether or not they are true, I never thought anyone would actually research his jury duty story. He simply tells the story to illustrate a larger point about the importance of science and mathematical literacy.  Honestly, I always assumed from the get-go that it was just supposed to be a funny way to make a point, and not a factual accounting of a story that really happened.  If you haven't seen the full video I recommend watching it on youtube and then this article will seem like a guy fact-checking Louis C.K.
 
2014-09-17 12:53:10 PM  

Jackson Herring: Shakin_Haitian: Has anyone gone through all Bush's speeches yet or are we taking a known propagandist at his word that NdGT got some shiat wrong?

bush definitely said it, but Science Person had the context wrong

therefore he lied, bald eagles cried, etc


Why does no one think of the eagles?
 
2014-09-17 12:54:33 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: The very punchable author's face:
[img.fark.net image 390x412]


Why do conservative "intellectuals" always look like this guy?  (It's like they're all the spiritual descendents of Frank Burns from MASH)
 
2014-09-17 12:54:44 PM  

HeadLever: Chummer45: You're presuming that this right wing hack is correct that NDGT is out there "lying and making stuff up."

I have yet to see anyone show us where Bush said anything to the effect of Our God is the God who named the stars' within a week of 9/11.  If you can provide that citation, then I'll agree that this author is a hack. If he is correct, then it should be pretty easy to find.

Minus that proof, it appears that this author is correct and that the entire premise of NDGT's rant regarding Bush's 'us v. them' division has a foundation of quicksand.



I just find it amusing that you're trying to argue that NDGT is a hack based on allegations in an article written by a known hack.
 
2014-09-17 12:57:10 PM  

paganj: Is not even a big mistake


On a public stage, when you use it to create an argument in which to bash someone you don't like with, you have to be prepared to get called out over it.
 
2014-09-17 12:57:22 PM  

WillJM8528: I read this thinking, "who the fark doesn't like NDT"? I have watched the whole video from The Amazing Meeting that this guy is picking on in his article, and Tyson himself called that talk "Brain Droppings".  The presentation the NDT gave is more of comedy routine than science talk (if you can't tell from the title). For those of you who only know NDT from Cosmos he is actually funnier than many comedians, and much like the stories that comedians tell to set up jokes aren't researched to see whether or not they are true, I never thought anyone would actually research his jury duty story. He simply tells the story to illustrate a larger point about the importance of science and mathematical literacy.  Honestly, I always assumed from the get-go that it was just supposed to be a funny way to make a point, and not a factual accounting of a story that really happened.  If you haven't seen the full video I recommend watching it on youtube and then this article will seem like a guy fact-checking Louis C.K.



He's dangerous to the right wing, because he has been effective at educating people about basic science, which exposes the ignorance of many of the right wing's positions.  That's why you have the trolls in this thread ready to jump all over him based on a shiatty article written by a known right wing hack.
 
2014-09-17 12:57:45 PM  

NickelP: IlGreven: NickelP: Tyson is a whiney arrogant coont

...like all scientists and atheists, amiriteoramirite.

/Can't tell Tyson and Richard Dawkins apart, can you?

Exactly right.

//I'm agnostic and one of the reasons I don't like him is how he used cosmos for her personal platform. Sagan's version is one of my favorite series of all time. But yeah I hate science and those people that don't believe in my god. Keep sucking thTyson dick


Keep sucking the rightwing dick you insane person.  Well, now that you've said it so forthrightly it must be true (religious people are such dickheads, amirite?)
 
2014-09-17 1:00:44 PM  

Chummer45: I just find it amusing that you're trying to argue that NDGT is a hack based on allegations in an article written by a known hack.


The trait of a hack is to use lies in order to make a political point about those you don't like.

I personally like NDGT's show, but he should keep out of topics that he apparently has little knowledge of.
 
2014-09-17 1:02:28 PM  
Awww, Republicans.  When they don't like the message, they go after the messenger.  Problem with NDT is they know he's 100% right and NDT will cause the end of all rightwing thought if you gave him enough time.  Why do you think they all want to keep their kids away from reality as long as possible (until they've properly brainwashed their brats)?    It's the same old story with these sad, frightened human beings (if you can call them that).
 
2014-09-17 1:03:43 PM  
The beauty of an ad hom like this is that it is pleasing to both the Jesus Dinosaur Riders and Mountaintop Removal Mining For Freedom wings of the party.
 
2014-09-17 1:04:17 PM  

Chummer45: WillJM8528: I read this thinking, "who the fark doesn't like NDT"? I have watched the whole video from The Amazing Meeting that this guy is picking on in his article, and Tyson himself called that talk "Brain Droppings".  The presentation the NDT gave is more of comedy routine than science talk (if you can't tell from the title). For those of you who only know NDT from Cosmos he is actually funnier than many comedians, and much like the stories that comedians tell to set up jokes aren't researched to see whether or not they are true, I never thought anyone would actually research his jury duty story. He simply tells the story to illustrate a larger point about the importance of science and mathematical literacy.  Honestly, I always assumed from the get-go that it was just supposed to be a funny way to make a point, and not a factual accounting of a story that really happened.  If you haven't seen the full video I recommend watching it on youtube and then this article will seem like a guy fact-checking Louis C.K.


He's dangerous to the right wing, because he has been effective at educating people about basic science, which exposes the ignorance of many of the right wing's positions.  That's why you have the trolls in this thread ready to jump all over him based on a shiatty article written by a known right wing hack.


And it's over the weak kind of shiat they tolerate--no, that they expect--from the rulers they prostrate themselves before.
 
2014-09-17 1:05:34 PM  
Maybe Neil deGrasse Tyson isn't "making it up." Maybe he's just remembering wrong. These are, after all, very minor details.

Now I can see why a right-wing pundit would assume he's deliberately making it up (even though there would be no real need to) - projection. This is basically all they do.
 
F42
2014-09-17 1:05:40 PM  

LucklessWonder: black scienceman: the next generation


He would inverse the polarity and strike out with a hottie.
 
2014-09-17 1:06:26 PM  

HeadLever: Chummer45: I just find it amusing that you're trying to argue that NDGT is a hack based on allegations in an article written by a known hack.

The trait of a hack is to use lies in order to make a political point about those you don't like.

I personally like NDGT's show, but he should keep out of topics that he apparently has little knowledge of.



Go concern troll some other thread.
 
2014-09-17 1:06:39 PM  

PaulRB: When they don't like the message, they go after the messenger.


Of course when the message is based in lies, it is pretty obvious the many will bash both the message and messenger.  This action is logical, regardless  of what side of the aisle you reside.
 
2014-09-17 1:09:00 PM  

PaulRB: Awww, Republicans.  When they don't like the message, they go after the messenger.  Problem with NDT is they know he's 100% right and NDT will cause the end of all rightwing thought if you gave him enough time.  Why do you think they all want to keep their kids away from reality as long as possible coontil they've properly brainwashed their brats)?    It's the same old story with these sad, frightened human beings (if you can call them that).



You can see this in practice with the Texas Board of Education.  They all but told textbook companies to put jesus riding dinosaurs in their textbooks in an effort to brainwash students with bullshiat right wing propaganda.
 
2014-09-17 1:09:35 PM  

Chummer45: Go concern troll some other thread.


Sure, just after you go exit to another thread to white night another lib that got caught lying.
 
2014-09-17 1:10:57 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Ben Domenech

Benjamin Domenech is the publisher of The Federalist and writes The Transom, a daily subscription newsletter for political insiders. Domenech also serves as a senior fellow at The Heartland Institute, specializing in health care and entitlement policy. He previously worked as speechwriter to HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson, and as chief speechwriter for U.S. Senator John Cornyn of Texas. Domenech is also editor in chief of The City, an academic journal on faith and culture; and co-host of Coffee & Markets, an award-winning podcast focused on politics, policy, and the marketplace. He co-founded Redstate and appears regularly on Fox News, MSNBC, and The Blaze. He lives in Virginia. Email him at ben[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]tsilaredefeht[* image 7x13]com

After initially denying the plagiarism allegations, Domenech apolgized, writing in a RedState post entitled "Contrition," that "[t]here is no excuse for this.... I hope that nothing I've done as a teenager or in my professional life will reflect badly on the movement and principles I believe in."[31]

More recently, Domenech was involved in a journalism scandal that resulted in the removal of his work from The Washington Examiner and the Huffington Post when it was disclosed that Domenech received $36,000 from Joshua Trevino, a conservative pundit and lobbbyist, to write favorable opinion pieces about the government of Malaysia without disclosing the relationship. The payments came to light when Trevino registered as a foreign agent of the Malaysian government.[32]


We, of course this douche is religious kook.  (never mind his connections to all things rightwing) Who woulda guessed?
 
2014-09-17 1:12:39 PM  

Geotpf: The author is showing a pattern where Tyson makes stuff up out of thin air. That does hurt his overall credibility and message severely, even if you don't want to think so because you agree with his message. If he makes up the little crap, how can you trust him on the big picture?


Tyson's inaccurate quotes are the brown M&Ms in his Van Halen tour rider!
 
2014-09-17 1:13:31 PM  

HeadLever: PaulRB: When they don't like the message, they go after the messenger.

Of course when the message is based in lies, it is pretty obvious the many will bash both the message and messenger.  This action is logical, regardless  of what side of the aisle you reside.


Why don't you go ahead and tell us how the message itself is false. How physics and cosmology are lies from the pit of hell because this man is a nefarious partisan with an agenda/conspiracy to fool our children into believing in "science" (and we all know it has to be believed in to be true!) and that the Bible is the real truth, being 100% word-for-word true. Go ahead and tell us about how NDT's message is false instead of just going after him personally.
 
2014-09-17 1:13:57 PM  

Elegy: HeartBurnKid: Really? That's the attitude we're going with?

"Who cares about the proof, I like what he says so it's OK."

SCIENCE!

No, the attitude we're going with is "seeing the forest for the trees".  Mr. Degrasse-Tyson misquoted Bush. BFD. The quote was really not the focus of the speech.  It's stupid nitpicky bullshiat designed to distract from the matter at hand.

It's like when people get all huffy and say "Well, Sarah Palin never actually said she could see Russia from her house."  No shiat, Sherlock.  She said that living in a state that's close to Russia made her a foreign policy expert.  The "I can see Russia from my house!" line was meant to mock her for that.


So, like I said - we're apparently going with "I like what he's saying so it doesn't matter if he's making stuff up."

Fark: where fact checking cited sources is considered "nitpicky bullshiat."

Here's how it works when rational adults consider things like "facts," "evidence," and "quotations" : if you are fact checked on the little things in your writing, or speeches, or academic writings, and it's discovered that you're making up the little things, then it automatically calls into question the entire point you are trying to make. Making shiat up undercuts the credibility of your entire argument - which is why it's generally considered a no-no, as well as against every rule of professional conduct ever.

NDT was using these "direct quotes" as evidence to support his point that journalists and politicians don't understand science. You seriously don't see the problem here?

I suspect you actually do, and you just want to give NDT a pass because you agree with what he is saying.

The really sad thing here is that the little shiatworm that authored TFA was 100% correct: there was absolutely, 100% NO DAMN REASON to make anything up. There are a plethora of examples out there of politicians and journalists that very publicly don't understand science. Making shiat up in this case is beyond lazy; I w ...


That is a lot of words to describe the chronic pain in your posterior.
 
2014-09-17 1:17:19 PM  
The Republican party needs Americans afraid and ignorant in order to remain relevant.  Thus, they attack people like Neil Tyson.

The fact that they're attacking him is all the proof you need to know how they fear his effectiveness.
 
2014-09-17 1:17:42 PM  

HeadLever: PaulRB: When they don't like the message, they go after the messenger.

Of course when the message is based in lies, it is pretty obvious the many will bash both the message and messenger.  This action is logical, regardless  of what side of the aisle you reside.


So, science  is the big lie?  Because, in the article, all this author is talking about are quotes that NDT had gotten wrong. (in the context of a humorous discussion.)  Yes, he should check his facts a little closer when writing his story/speech.  Undoubtedly, he'll make adjustments when the facts are pointed out.  It's what scientists do.  Can the same thing be said of religious nuts, right wing cranks, Fox News, etc etc?  (since none of them are scientists and everyone of them has lies to push)
 
2014-09-17 1:18:45 PM  
The author is butthurt now over a speech that was made in 2008.  Tyson really must have struck a nerve.
 
2014-09-17 1:18:53 PM  

SquiggsIN: By the time he would've been promoted to a 3-solids full CMDR he wouldn't have had the VISOR. He was given the implants long before that would've happened.


Implants are racist and a plot to destroy visor culture.
 
2014-09-17 1:20:53 PM  

Infernalist: The Republican party needs Americans afraid and ignorant in order to remain relevant.  Thus, they attack people like Neil Tyson.

The fact that they're attacking him is all the proof you need to know how they fear his effectiveness.


"It's OK that I can't follow what the hell Tyson is talking about, because a right-wing hack once said he misquoted people, so Jesus Bootstraps".

Take that, evolution!
 
2014-09-17 1:21:05 PM  

HeadLever: another lib


He's liberal because he promotes science and reason versus superstition?  The nerve of that guy.
 
2014-09-17 1:21:55 PM  

menschenfresser: Why don't you go ahead and tell us how the message itself is false. How physics and cosmology are lies from the pit of hell because this man is a nefarious partisan with an agenda/conspiracy to fool our children into believing in "science" (and we all know it has to be believed in to be true!) and that the Bible is the real truth, being 100% word-for-word true. Go ahead and tell us about how NDT's message is false instead of just going after him personally.



That is not the message that NDT was presenting here.  His message was as follows:

Here's what happens. George Bush, within a week of [the 9/11 terrorist attacks] gave us a speech attempting to distinguish we from they. And who are they? These were sort of the Muslim fundamentalists. And he wants to distinguish we from they. And how does he do it?

I have no issues with his message on physics and cosmology.  In fact I pretty much agree with them across the board.  That does not mean that I have to agree with him on his specific message of the mechanism of how Bush divides 'us vs. them'.

It takes a bit of intellectual honesty to call out those on 'your side' when they are being disingenuous.  That is difficult for some.
 
2014-09-17 1:23:43 PM  

PaulRB: So, science  is the big lie?


?

No, saying that Bush said X in order to argue a specific political point is the apparent lie.  I don't have a problem with his science at all.
 
2014-09-17 1:25:21 PM  

HeadLever: menschenfresser: Why don't you go ahead and tell us how the message itself is false. How physics and cosmology are lies from the pit of hell because this man is a nefarious partisan with an agenda/conspiracy to fool our children into believing in "science" (and we all know it has to be believed in to be true!) and that the Bible is the real truth, being 100% word-for-word true. Go ahead and tell us about how NDT's message is false instead of just going after him personally.


That is not the message that NDT was presenting here.  His message was as follows:

Here's what happens. George Bush, within a week of [the 9/11 terrorist attacks] gave us a speech attempting to distinguish we from they. And who are they? These were sort of the Muslim fundamentalists. And he wants to distinguish we from they. And how does he do it?

I have no issues with his message on physics and cosmology.  In fact I pretty much agree with them across the board.  That does not mean that I have to agree with him on his specific message of the mechanism of how Bush divides 'us vs. them'.

It takes a bit of intellectual honesty to call out those on 'your side' when they are being disingenuous.  That is difficult for some.


Oh, I get it now!  You actually believe Bush was the "Great Uniter", don't you?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2014-09-17 1:26:54 PM  

Fart_Machine: He's liberal because he promotes science and reason versus superstition?


If that is his motivation, that is fine by me.  Being liberal that promotes science will get you a high five from me. However, being a liberal that promotes science but uses lies to make a political point will likely get your error called out.  I may not have any issue with your 'promotes science' part, but I'll likely have an issue with that second part.
 
2014-09-17 1:27:56 PM  

HeadLever: Chummer45: Go concern troll some other thread.

Sure, just after you go exit to another thread to white night another lib that got caught lying.


Ahem, "White Knight"
 
2014-09-17 1:30:31 PM  

HeadLever: menschenfresser: Why don't you go ahead and tell us how the message itself is false. How physics and cosmology are lies from the pit of hell because this man is a nefarious partisan with an agenda/conspiracy to fool our children into believing in "science" (and we all know it has to be believed in to be true!) and that the Bible is the real truth, being 100% word-for-word true. Go ahead and tell us about how NDT's message is false instead of just going after him personally.


That is not the message that NDT was presenting here.  His message was as follows:

Here's what happens. George Bush, within a week of [the 9/11 terrorist attacks] gave us a speech attempting to distinguish we from they. And who are they? These were sort of the Muslim fundamentalists. And he wants to distinguish we from they. And how does he do it?

I have no issues with his message on physics and cosmology.  In fact I pretty much agree with them across the board.  That does not mean that I have to agree with him on his specific message of the mechanism of how Bush divides 'us vs. them'.

It takes a bit of intellectual honesty to call out those on 'your side' when they are being disingenuous.  That is difficult for some.



On the other hand, it takes a lot of intellectual dishonesty to pretend that you're a liberal to appear more credible.
 
2014-09-17 1:30:34 PM  

sugardave: You actually believe Bush was the "Great Uniter", don't you?


quizzicaldog.jpg
 
2014-09-17 1:31:37 PM  

Wooly Bully: Elegy: The author of TFA might be a little shiatstain

Well you got one thing right in all of that typing.

The main thing you got completely wrong is that Tyson's inaccurate quotation casts doubt on his overall message. That's what this idiot blogger wants people to believe, of course, but it's pretty obvious why he's doing it, and it isn't his interest in accuracy.


Not really. Or at least, not in these specific article.

The author himself agrees that journalists and politicians often get science wrong, but making shiat up out of thin air undercuts NDT's reliability.

I don't think I remember anything in the article about NDT being wrong overall, but I might be wrong. It's NDT's supporters in this thread that seem to be making that leap, reflexively and defensively.
 
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  4. Click here to submit a link.