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(The Federalist)   Somebody seriously needs to stage an intervention for Neil deGrasse Tyson. He just keeps making stuff up   ( thefederalist.com) divider line
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2014-09-17 11:20:59 AM  

Geotpf: Forbidden Doughnut: Not getting some bible reference right ( Isiah vs Genesis, or something) is excessively nitpicky. (It would be like me getting upset at a Fundamentalist Christian for not having read anything by Voltaire ,Thomas Paine* , or the AD&D "Planescape" campaign sourcebooks )

/ esp. Paine's "The Age of Reason"; lots of things in that one to p*ss off fundamentalists of ALL stripes....

And, it happened in 2003 instead of "immediately following 9/11".

And, Bush was talking about the Space Shuttle crash as opposed to Islam or 9/11.

And, Tyson didn't get the quote even close to correct.

And, Tyson seems to have a general habit of making quotes up.

Yes, the author is a right wing partisan.  That doesn't mean he is necessarily wrong in this particular case.  He presents a compelling argument that Tyson appears to make up a lot of quotes and anecdotes out of thin air.


Is Tyson's point invalid? If not, what's the problem?
 
2014-09-17 11:22:55 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Is Tyson's point invalid? If not, what's the problem?


If you quote somebody, you should, you know, actually quote somebody instead of pulling random crap out of your ass.  It invalidates everything else you say and makes you an unreliable source.
 
2014-09-17 11:23:52 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: The very punchable author's face:
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I would be punched in the face a thousand times just so I can punch that face.
 
2014-09-17 11:24:26 AM  

Elegy: The author of TFA might be a little shiatstain


Well you got one thing right in all of that typing.

The main thing you got completely wrong is that Tyson's inaccurate quotation casts doubt on his overall message. That's what this idiot blogger wants people to believe, of course, but it's pretty obvious why he's doing it, and it isn't his interest in accuracy.
 
2014-09-17 11:24:34 AM  

Geotpf: cameroncrazy1984: Is Tyson's point invalid? If not, what's the problem?

If you quote somebody, you should, you know, actually quote somebody instead of pulling random crap out of your ass.  It invalidates everything else you say and makes you an unreliable source.


If it is being broadcast on television, it's automatically pap in any case.  There is nothing even remotely credible on television.  It is purely an entertainment medium.
 
2014-09-17 11:27:29 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Geotpf: cameroncrazy1984: Is Tyson's point invalid? If not, what's the problem?

If you quote somebody, you should, you know, actually quote somebody instead of pulling random crap out of your ass.  It invalidates everything else you say and makes you an unreliable source.

If it is being broadcast on television, it's automatically pap in any case.  There is nothing even remotely credible on television.  It is purely an entertainment medium.


That's bull too.  The medium doesn't invalidate the message.
 
2014-09-17 11:28:56 AM  
Wow. Who knew there was such a thing as Neil deGrasse Tyson Derangement Syndrome? I guess the internet allows the weirdest people to get their freak on together.
 
2014-09-17 11:29:22 AM  
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"Not seeing a problem here..."
 
2014-09-17 11:29:29 AM  

Wooly Bully: Elegy: The author of TFA might be a little shiatstain

Well you got one thing right in all of that typing.

The main thing you got completely wrong is that Tyson's inaccurate quotation casts doubt on his overall message. That's what this idiot blogger wants people to believe, of course, but it's pretty obvious why he's doing it, and it isn't his interest in accuracy.


The author is showing a pattern where Tyson makes stuff up out of thin air.  That does hurt his overall credibility and message severely, even if you don't want to think so because you agree with his message.  If he makes up the little crap, how can you trust him on the big picture?
 
2014-09-17 11:30:28 AM  

Geotpf: Forbidden Doughnut: Not getting some bible reference right ( Isiah vs Genesis, or something) is excessively nitpicky. (It would be like me getting upset at a Fundamentalist Christian for not having read anything by Voltaire ,Thomas Paine* , or the AD&D "Planescape" campaign sourcebooks )

/ esp. Paine's "The Age of Reason"; lots of things in that one to p*ss off fundamentalists of ALL stripes....

And, it happened in 2003 instead of "immediately following 9/11".

And, Bush was talking about the Space Shuttle crash as opposed to Islam or 9/11.

And, Tyson didn't get the quote even close to correct.

And, Tyson seems to have a general habit of making quotes up.

Yes, the author is a right wing partisan.  That doesn't mean he is necessarily wrong in this particular case.  He presents a compelling argument that Tyson appears to make up a lot of quotes and anecdotes out of thin air.


This reminds me of the time when Obama met up with a group of newly pined Eagle Scouts in 2009 and he stated that this is a group we must degrade and dismantle.
 
2014-09-17 11:31:43 AM  

Geotpf: Marcus Aurelius: Geotpf: cameroncrazy1984: Is Tyson's point invalid? If not, what's the problem?

If you quote somebody, you should, you know, actually quote somebody instead of pulling random crap out of your ass.  It invalidates everything else you say and makes you an unreliable source.

If it is being broadcast on television, it's automatically pap in any case.  There is nothing even remotely credible on television.  It is purely an entertainment medium.

That's bull too.  The medium doesn't invalidate the message.


Are you saying that television has standards comparable to a peer reviewed journal?
 
2014-09-17 11:31:45 AM  

LucklessWonder: Jackson Herring: black scienceman: the next generation

[shirtoid.com image 500x500]


Reverse the polarity of the power coupling, of course!

/how many times did the Enterprise-D's warp core breach?
 
2014-09-17 11:32:19 AM  

Geotpf: If he makes up the little crap, how can you trust him on the big picture?


Peer review.
 
2014-09-17 11:33:09 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: SundaesChild: Is this one of those "We get it, he's black" moments?

Actually, I think any of that is implied in the article....which is a (gradual) societal improvement, I think.


Holy shiat, he is.

I had never once consciously thought about that fact. Like, it just occurred to me right now.

For me at least I just notice it about someone in an offhand way, probably because I live in an area with mostly white people. "Oh hey, a black/Asian/Indian guy." Don't know what that says about me though, good or bad.

Mind blown.
 
2014-09-17 11:35:15 AM  

Geotpf: Tyson makes stuff up out of thin air.


That's what the idiot blogger claims, but it sounds like Tyson was just somewhat inaccurate about a couple of very trivial quotes.

That's not the same as lying, something which the idiot blogger's former boss Rick Perry does all the time, not to mention the party the idiot blogger is carrying water for. And yet, incredibly, the idiot blogger is not ranting and raving about what terrible liars these people are.
 
2014-09-17 11:41:53 AM  

Elegy: As someone that happens to agree with NDT on many things, I actually appreciate it.


Truth is clearly appreciated.

What most people are biatching about is the notion that somehow several misspoken/wrong/deliberate lies (pick one) would somehow invalidate the scientific research done by Tyson.

Do the lies lessen Tyson's work? No, because of the fact that they're peer reviewed almost always. Should he stop telling lies and make sure his non-science facts are straight? Absolutely, it only damages his reputation.

Some things he's said are mistakes, but some things he's said are not true, either. He should get called out on it.
 
2014-09-17 11:42:38 AM  

Wooly Bully: Geotpf: Tyson makes stuff up out of thin air.

That's what the idiot blogger claims, but it sounds like Tyson was just somewhat inaccurate about a couple of very trivial quotes.

That's not the same as lying, something which the idiot blogger's former boss Rick Perry does all the time, not to mention the party the idiot blogger is carrying water for. And yet, incredibly, the idiot blogger is not ranting and raving about what terrible liars these people are.


It seems like Tyson routinely makes stuff up out thin air during presentations and lectures, usually to point out how ordinary people (including an unnamed judge, an unnamed Congressman, and Bush) are ignorant of logic and science.  The thing is, he could use real examples to make that point, but he chooses to take the lazy way out and just spout bullshiat.  It is completely legitimate to call him out on this.

I'm baffled that this many people here think calling a liar a liar is some how a bad thing.
 
2014-09-17 11:49:19 AM  

Geotpf: It is completely legitimate to call him out on this.


It is absolutely not legitimate coming from a former employee of Rick Perry and the f*cking Republican Party. This "article" is an obviously biased hit piece by a political tool of the anti-science party.

It's funny that you ignore that and keep repeating the overstated and under-substantiated charge that Tyson's deliberately lying.
 
2014-09-17 11:51:32 AM  

Geotpf: It seems like Tyson routinely makes stuff up out thin air


In the skies today we saw destruction and tragedy. Yet farther than we can see, there is comfort and hope. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, "Lift your eyes and look to the heavens. Who created all these? He who brings out the starry hosts one by one and calls them each by name. Because of His great power, and mighty strength, not one of them is missing."

The same Creator who names the stars also knows the names of the seven souls we mourn today. The crew of the shuttle Columbia did not return safely to Earth; yet we can pray that all are safely home.
 
2014-09-17 11:53:21 AM  

Geotpf: Wooly Bully: Elegy: The author of TFA might be a little shiatstain

Well you got one thing right in all of that typing.

The main thing you got completely wrong is that Tyson's inaccurate quotation casts doubt on his overall message. That's what this idiot blogger wants people to believe, of course, but it's pretty obvious why he's doing it, and it isn't his interest in accuracy.

The author is showing a pattern where Tyson makes stuff up out of thin air.  That does hurt his overall credibility and message severely, even if you don't want to think so because you agree with his message.  If he makes up the little crap, how can you trust him on the big picture?


The article does not show a pattern; the article claims a pattern. When I went through several of the links which were supposed to show proof, all I saw was more claims without proof - typically a "I couldn't find the quote on the net, therefore NDT is lying about the quote."

/I did not look into the Bush quote, I just chose random links the author used as evidence.
 
2014-09-17 11:55:25 AM  
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"Pump your brakes, kid, that man's a national treasure."

/Animated gif is too large
 
2014-09-17 11:56:04 AM  

Jackson Herring: Geotpf: It seems like Tyson routinely makes stuff up out thin air

In the skies today we saw destruction and tragedy. Yet farther than we can see, there is comfort and hope. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, "Lift your eyes and look to the heavens. Who created all these? He who brings out the starry hosts one by one and calls them each by name. Because of His great power, and mighty strength, not one of them is missing."

The same Creator who names the stars also knows the names of the seven souls we mourn today. The crew of the shuttle Columbia did not return safely to Earth; yet we can pray that all are safely home.

TYSON: Here's what happens. George Bush, within a week of [the 9/11 terrorist attacks] gave us a speech attempting to distinguish we from they. And who are they? These were sort of the Muslim fundamentalists. And he wants to distinguish we from they. And how does he do it?

He says, "Our God" - of course it's actually the same God, but that's a detail, let's hold that minor fact aside for the moment. Allah of the Muslims is the same God as the God of the Old Testament. So, but let's hold that aside. He says, "Our God is the God" - he's loosely quoting Genesis, biblical Genesis - "Our God is the God who named the stars."


Did the Columbia shuttle crash into the WTC?
 
2014-09-17 11:56:05 AM  

NickelP: Jack Harper: NickelP:

The point of highlighting the severe problem we have in this country with math and science literacy is not to make you feel dumb, but to make those in power realize that it's a problem worth fixing.  The problem you have is that merely stating a fact is a personal attack.  Whether it's the perceived assault on religion in cosmos or your ridiculous overreaction to these anecdotes, you think that someone saying that we, as a country, are bad at math and science is an attack on them.  I'm not really sure how else we can begin to confront that problem without someone who is good at math and science working to set policy instead of... whatever we have now.  But I guess that would hurt everyone's feelings?

I think its possible people misspeak sometimes.  To isolate those in order to push your intelligence above them is pretty silly, more so when your end goal is selling your intelligence.  If folks want to pay to hear him talk about how smart he is then they can have at it.  I do find it comical his defenders have switched to 'people misspeak sometimes, rabble rabble rabble, ignore his misquotes, no one speaks off the cuff perfectly, rabble rabble rabble, to he is just pointing out how people don't science and math and if he needs to quote them when they slightly slip up then thats good!'

How is he working to set policy exactly?  What form of government has he been involved in and engaged?  Has he bothered running for his school board or any offices?  Is he supporting candidates he thinks will change these things?  Has he offered constructive means to change them?  Outside of saying 'OMG those guys are sooooo stupid, but you are soooo smart because you paid me to be here today or follow my twitter' what has he actually done to advance public policy in regards to the areas he is complaining about?



Um.  educating the electorate about basic science is a great service toward advancing public policy.  But then again you just want to sit here asking questions pretending that he's some nefarious asshole because reasons.
 
2014-09-17 11:57:17 AM  

I alone am best: Jackson Herring: Geotpf: It seems like Tyson routinely makes stuff up out thin air

In the skies today we saw destruction and tragedy. Yet farther than we can see, there is comfort and hope. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, "Lift your eyes and look to the heavens. Who created all these? He who brings out the starry hosts one by one and calls them each by name. Because of His great power, and mighty strength, not one of them is missing."

The same Creator who names the stars also knows the names of the seven souls we mourn today. The crew of the shuttle Columbia did not return safely to Earth; yet we can pray that all are safely home.

TYSON: Here's what happens. George Bush, within a week of [the 9/11 terrorist attacks] gave us a speech attempting to distinguish we from they. And who are they? These were sort of the Muslim fundamentalists. And he wants to distinguish we from they. And how does he do it?

He says, "Our God" - of course it's actually the same God, but that's a detail, let's hold that minor fact aside for the moment. Allah of the Muslims is the same God as the God of the Old Testament. So, but let's hold that aside. He says, "Our God is the God" - he's loosely quoting Genesis, biblical Genesis - "Our God is the God who named the stars."

Did the Columbia shuttle crash into the WTC?


no, it crashed into the pentagon
 
2014-09-17 11:58:05 AM  

Geotpf: I'm baffled that this many people here think calling a liar a liar is some how a bad thing.


As a member of the right wing media it's more like a pathalogical liar calling out someone who bends the truth for dramatic effect.
 
2014-09-17 11:58:19 AM  

bestie1: What science has TNG ever done?  He's a talking head.  Stephen Hawking did/does science.  TNG puts on a carnival that makes dumb people feel smart.


Gee, what's your take on his mentor, Carl Sagan?  I'm sure you personally see him as shiat peddler too, right?
 
2014-09-17 12:00:40 PM  

Geotpf: cameroncrazy1984: Is Tyson's point invalid? If not, what's the problem?

If you quote somebody, you should, you know, actually quote somebody instead of pulling random crap out of your ass.   It invalidates everything else you say and makes you an unreliable source.



No it doesn't.
 
2014-09-17 12:02:15 PM  

Geotpf: Wooly Bully: Geotpf: Tyson makes stuff up out of thin air.

That's what the idiot blogger claims, but it sounds like Tyson was just somewhat inaccurate about a couple of very trivial quotes.

That's not the same as lying, something which the idiot blogger's former boss Rick Perry does all the time, not to mention the party the idiot blogger is carrying water for. And yet, incredibly, the idiot blogger is not ranting and raving about what terrible liars these people are.

It seems like Tyson routinely makes stuff up out thin air during presentations and lectures, usually to point out how ordinary people (including an unnamed judge, an unnamed Congressman, and Bush) are ignorant of logic and science.  The thing is, he could use real examples to make that point, but he chooses to take the lazy way out and just spout bullshiat.  It is completely legitimate to call him out on this.

I'm baffled that this many people here think calling a liar a liar is some how a bad thing.



My dog just perked his ears up
 
2014-09-17 12:02:31 PM  
Well, at least between this and the climate change thread, I've gotten to update many of my mysteriously disappeared troll grays.

How many are allowed in one thread anyway?
 
2014-09-17 12:05:48 PM  

Chummer45: Geotpf: cameroncrazy1984: Is Tyson's point invalid? If not, what's the problem?

If you quote somebody, you should, you know, actually quote somebody instead of pulling random crap out of your ass.   It invalidates everything else you say and makes you an unreliable source.


No it doesn't.


Ok, you're right, it doesn't "invalidate everything you say".

But still, if you are trying to convince the general public that what you are saying is true, lying is not helpful.
 
2014-09-17 12:06:32 PM  

bestie1: It kind of seems like NGT has his own religion. This is the third time in one week that I've seen proof that he's full of shiat yet he's still the savior to so many people.


He is one of those people/things that The Internet has declared Cool. Thus, he is untouchable.

No matter how full of shiat he is. The sheep will always line up protect him. Most of the posts here didn't even read the article because of the headline.

BTW, his Cosmos was boring. Carl Sagan is a tough act to follow.
 
2014-09-17 12:06:39 PM  
Geotpf:

It seems like Tyson routinely makes stuff up out thin air during presentations and lectures, usually to point out how ordinary people (including an unnamed judge, an unnamed Congressman, and Bush) are ignorant of logic and science.  The thing is, he could use real examples to make that point, but he chooses to take the lazy way out and just spout bullshiat.  It is completely legitimate to call him out on this.

I'm baffled that this many people here think calling a liar a liar is some how a bad thing.


Ok, you're a liar.

There, that was easy.
 
2014-09-17 12:08:52 PM  
I made the mistake of clicking through to his "OMG he doesn't understand that median != mean!" stuff, and I have a serious question for anyone who actually knows:

How are schools measured for comparison? Are they giving a numerical score/grade or are they simply ranked based on some combination of metrics? If they aren't given a numerical score then getting the mean of schools is identical to the median: if each is given a rank so the value of each is a different integer with the set all equally spaced from the next closest integer then there is no value added by attempting to get a mean measurement.

The rest of his argument is that NDT claimed that was a newspaper headline when in fact it was an excerpt from a newspaper article. Scandal!
 
2014-09-17 12:10:00 PM  

someonelse: Wow. Who knew there was such a thing as Neil deGrasse Tyson Derangement Syndrome? I guess the internet allows the weirdest people to get their freak on together.


He talked bad about evolution, and uses a lot of big words.  Also, black.

So they had it out for him ever since he dared to appear on their TVs making them look dumb.
 
2014-09-17 12:10:54 PM  

Chummer45: Geotpf: Wooly Bully: Geotpf: Tyson makes stuff up out of thin air.

That's what the idiot blogger claims, but it sounds like Tyson was just somewhat inaccurate about a couple of very trivial quotes.

That's not the same as lying, something which the idiot blogger's former boss Rick Perry does all the time, not to mention the party the idiot blogger is carrying water for. And yet, incredibly, the idiot blogger is not ranting and raving about what terrible liars these people are.

It seems like Tyson routinely makes stuff up out thin air during presentations and lectures, usually to point out how ordinary people (including an unnamed judge, an unnamed Congressman, and Bush) are ignorant of logic and science.  The thing is, he could use real examples to make that point, but he chooses to take the lazy way out and just spout bullshiat.  It is completely legitimate to call him out on this.

I'm baffled that this many people here think calling a liar a liar is some how a bad thing.


My dog just perked his ears up


What does that even mean?  If you are inferring that I am taking a racist stand here, you're very incorrect.

Likewise, people who think I'm trolling, or a right wing shill, are also very incorrect.

My only point is, when trying to convince a skeptical public that something (science in general in this case) is the truth, lying seriously hurts your cause.

The best case scenario here is that Tyson actually listens to the criticism here and stops casually making up quotes.
 
2014-09-17 12:11:44 PM  

Grungehamster: I made the mistake of clicking through to his "OMG he doesn't understand that median != mean!" stuff, and I have a serious question for anyone who actually knows:

How are schools measured for comparison? Are they giving a numerical score/grade or are they simply ranked based on some combination of metrics? If they aren't given a numerical score then getting the mean of schools is identical to the median: if each is given a rank so the value of each is a different integer with the set all equally spaced from the next closest integer then there is no value added by attempting to get a mean measurement.

The rest of his argument is that NDT claimed that was a newspaper headline when in fact it was an excerpt from a newspaper article. Scandal!


Yeah, the average/mean crap was quite weak sauce.
 
2014-09-17 12:12:52 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Geotpf:

It seems like Tyson routinely makes stuff up out thin air during presentations and lectures, usually to point out how ordinary people (including an unnamed judge, an unnamed Congressman, and Bush) are ignorant of logic and science.  The thing is, he could use real examples to make that point, but he chooses to take the lazy way out and just spout bullshiat.  It is completely legitimate to call him out on this.

I'm baffled that this many people here think calling a liar a liar is some how a bad thing.

Ok, you're a liar.

There, that was easy.


Where did I lie?
 
2014-09-17 12:13:21 PM  
Based on Geotpf is saying, we can disregard everything that NDT has said due to his being wrong on a misquotation, right?

Well, his mentor Carl Sagan was wrong on some of the things he presented in the original 'Cosmos' series as being fact (granted, some were corrected many years later by himself, and some were corrected by others).  So, based on Geotpf's beliefs, Dr. Sagan was wrong about everything he presented.
 
2014-09-17 12:16:08 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Based on Geotpf is saying, we can disregard everything that NDT has said due to his being wrong on a misquotation, right?


No, I'm saying that his job is to show the general public the truth (about science), and casually lying (on multiple occasions) hurts his ability to be seen as an honest broker of the truth.
 
2014-09-17 12:18:16 PM  

Chummer45: My dog just perked his ears up


That is a bit of a stretch. Saying that somebody is taking the lazy way out is not calling them lazy and even if it was calling a single person who is black lazy isn't racist.
 
2014-09-17 12:18:46 PM  

Geotpf: AurizenDarkstar: Based on Geotpf is saying, we can disregard everything that NDT has said due to his being wrong on a misquotation, right?

No, I'm saying that his job is to show the general public the truth (about science), and casually lying (on multiple occasions) hurts his ability to be seen as an honest broker of the truth.


Now my dogs ears are really picking up.
 
2014-09-17 12:27:03 PM  
Such a shame.

As everyone here knows, any mistake instantly revokes all credibility.

So, all science is now invalid. Oh well. It was good while it lasted. Begin the book burning.
 
2014-09-17 12:27:33 PM  

Geotpf: AurizenDarkstar: Based on Geotpf is saying, we can disregard everything that NDT has said due to his being wrong on a misquotation, right?

No, I'm saying that his job is to show the general public the truth (about science), and casually lying (on multiple occasions) hurts his ability to be seen as an honest broker of the truth.



The problem is that you are buying into the "NDGT lies all the time" bullshiat that this stupid blogger is prattling on about.  And by fixating on ultimately inconsequential errors in his remarks, you're acting like he's either stupid or blatantly distorting science to fit a political agenda.  Neither could be further from the truth.
 
2014-09-17 12:27:47 PM  

Geotpf: Chummer45: Geotpf: cameroncrazy1984: Is Tyson's point invalid? If not, what's the problem?

If you quote somebody, you should, you know, actually quote somebody instead of pulling random crap out of your ass.   It invalidates everything else you say and makes you an unreliable source.


No it doesn't.

Ok, you're right, it doesn't "invalidate everything you say".

But still, if you are trying to convince the general public that what you are saying is true, lying is not helpful.


If we are now holding public officials accountable to this granular a level of linguistic minutiae, then conservatives have officially won their last national election ever.

imokwiththis.jpg
 
2014-09-17 12:28:30 PM  
You Tyson ass-kissers can all go to hell!  His discreditization is complete!

AND PLUTO IS A PLANET AGAIN!
 
2014-09-17 12:28:39 PM  

Destructor: Such a shame.

As everyone here knows, any mistake instantly revokes all credibility.

So, all science is now invalid. Oh well. It was good while it lasted. Begin the book burning.


Looks like we'll never put a man on mars now.  That's alright, Jesus will be back any day now so this is all irrelevant.
 
2014-09-17 12:29:31 PM  
Has anyone gone through all Bush's speeches yet or are we taking a known propagandist at his word that NdGT got some shiat wrong?
 
2014-09-17 12:30:43 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Has anyone gone through all Bush's speeches yet or are we taking a known propagandist at his word that NdGT got some shiat wrong?



For the trolls in this thread, it's the latter.
 
2014-09-17 12:31:03 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Has anyone gone through all Bush's speeches yet or are we taking a known propagandist at his word that NdGT got some shiat wrong?


bush definitely said it, but Science Person had the context wrong

therefore he lied, bald eagles cried, etc
 
2014-09-17 12:31:08 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Based on Geotpf is saying, we can disregard everything that NDT has said due to his being wrong on a misquotation, right?

Well, his mentor Carl Sagan was wrong on some of the things he presented in the original 'Cosmos' series as being fact (granted, some were corrected many years later by himself, and some were corrected by others).  So, based on Geotpf's beliefs, Dr. Sagan was wrong about everything he presented.


Yup, and if the author really has to be that pedantic in order to qualify someone as a "liar" then we can also discount everything they have to say as bullshait.
 
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