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2014-09-17 9:49:41 AM  

Karac: Forbidden Doughnut: Not getting some bible reference right ( Isiah vs Genesis, or something) is excessively nitpicky. (It would be like me getting upset at a Fundamentalist Christian for not having read anything by Voltaire ,Thomas Paine* , or the AD&D "Planescape" campaign sourcebooks )

/ esp. Paine's "The Age of Reason"; lots of things in that one to p*ss off fundamentalists of ALL stripes....

Now hold on a minute - everyone should read about Planescape.  It is quite possibly the best setting for any game I've ever encountered.


You never played RIFTs, I take it?
 
2014-09-17 9:49:51 AM  

Saiga410: Shut up and science


If he doesn't say anything, how is he supposed to educate people about science? That's literally his job.
 
2014-09-17 9:49:59 AM  
black scienceman: the next generation
 
2014-09-17 9:50:42 AM  

bestie1: Chummer45: bestie1: What science has TNG ever done?  He's a talking head.  Stephen Hawking did/does science.  TNG puts on a carnival that makes dumb people feel smart.


Please tell us more about how much smarter you are than NDGT

The question remains open.  What new scientific work has TNG ever presented to show his creds.  Don't change the subject.


I know you're a troll, but his CV is online...
http://www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/curriculum-vitae
 
2014-09-17 9:50:47 AM  

mainstreet62: Are you really going to base your arguments against Tyson on the Bible?


his CV is super liar man. it's an ironic claim for him to make against Black, Science MAAAaaaaan. (said like powdered toast man).
 
2014-09-17 9:52:17 AM  

Jackson Herring: black scienceman: the next generation


Well now I have a new alt
 
2014-09-17 9:53:50 AM  
mgshamster:

I did enjoy a lot of the old computer games. Still do, as a matter of fact. And I completely agree about darksun and ravenloft!

Only ever read the 3/3.5E Ravenloft Campaign Setting, where Wizards had licensed it out to (I think) White Wolf. I liked the concept of Dreadlords and that they could be redeemed if they only saw and atoned for the error of their ways, and the irony being that if they were capable of that introspection they wouldn't be Dreadlords in the first place.

I think one of them was originally Lord Soth from DragonLance but the license didn't include that setting, so it was a serial numbers filed off version.

/Man I need to get into gaming again
//Any farkers willing to DM/GM a group via some form of online medium so that I can roll up a character or two?
///Was GM last few campaigns and want to be a PC again
 
2014-09-17 9:54:28 AM  
grey font on black background man
 
2014-09-17 9:54:36 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Saiga410: Shut up and science

If he doesn't say anything, how is he supposed to educate people about science? That's literally his job.


There is always morse code or semaphore.
 
2014-09-17 9:55:16 AM  

Jackson Herring: black scienceman: the next generation


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2014-09-17 9:55:36 AM  
I had never heard of that site.  So I gave them a page view and checked it out.  Hell, even read some of the comments for further entertainment.  I'm way past the point where that level of stupidity either surprised or saddened me, but it does still make me chuckle.  I also continue to wonder what it feels like to be that stupid, to go through life where your average level of cognition is barely into the functional range.
 
2014-09-17 9:56:29 AM  
Geordi L. Forge, racially black
 
2014-09-17 9:56:37 AM  

bestie1: Chummer45: bestie1: What science has TNG ever done?  He's a talking head.  Stephen Hawking did/does science.  TNG puts on a carnival that makes dumb people feel smart.


Please tell us more about how much smarter you are than NDGT

The question remains open.  What new scientific work has TNG ever presented to show his creds.  Don't change the subject.


NDGT has a PhD.  A PhD requires a thesis that adds to the field.  That's pretty much what a PhD means... it means "you have contributed something new to the field".
 
2014-09-17 9:56:46 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: bestie1: Chummer45: bestie1: What science has TNG ever done?  He's a talking head.  Stephen Hawking did/does science.  TNG puts on a carnival that makes dumb people feel smart.


Please tell us more about how much smarter you are than NDGT

The question remains open.  What new scientific work has TNG ever presented to show his creds.  Don't change the subject.

Serious question. Why do you refer to  Neil  DeGrasse  Tyson as  TNG?


Is that one of those things like calling the president BOB?
 
2014-09-17 9:57:43 AM  

born_yesterday: If the duct tape holding the chicken together is the only thing keeping it alive, does it still really qualify as a chicken?

Makes u think.


Maybe about getting a new chicken.
 
2014-09-17 10:01:47 AM  
Had me when he called Neil a "fabulous scientist." That he was Rick Perry's go to guy for something clinched the deal, or at least something clinched.

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2014-09-17 10:02:01 AM  
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2014-09-17 10:02:03 AM  
Therefore Creationism is science and Santorum is President?
 
2014-09-17 10:03:26 AM  

bestie1: What science has TNG ever done?  He's a talking head.  Stephen Hawking did/does science.  TNG puts on a carnival that makes dumb people feel smart.


Ignoring that you're a troll...

From wiki:
Neil deGrasse Tyson (/ˈniːəl dəˈɡræs ˈtaɪsən/; born October 5, 1958) is an American astrophysicist, author, and science communicator. He is currently the Frederick P. Rose Director of the Hayden Planetarium at the Rose Center for Earth and Space and a research associate in the department of astrophysics at the American Museum of Natural History.

Alma mater
Harvard University (A.B.) University of Texas at Austin (M.A.) Columbia University (M.Phil., Ph.D.)
 
2014-09-17 10:04:26 AM  

LucklessWonder: Jackson Herring: black scienceman: the next generation

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I read that as:
What Would Gordi LaForge farking Do
 
2014-09-17 10:04:55 AM  
I don't have a Ph.D. in physics, but I'm pretty sure February 2003 did not happen in the week after 9/11.

Suck it libs, book learning is officially obsolete. Don't need a PhD to know when February 2003 occurred.

Later Neil DeFartte Tyson

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2014-09-17 10:06:18 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: The very punchable author's face:
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He looks like the sort that gets on the phone with his mother and snivels whenever his feelers are hurt.
 
2014-09-17 10:06:32 AM  
handsome science guy NYT
 
2014-09-17 10:07:09 AM  

sweetmelissa31: I don't have a Ph.D. in physics, but I'm pretty sure February 2003 did not happen in the week after 9/11.

Suck it libs, book learning is officially obsolete. Don't need a PhD to know when February 2003 occurred.

Later Neil DeFartte Tyson

[img.fark.net image 322x128]


NDWP
 
2014-09-17 10:08:49 AM  
In America, when an unpopular message is delivered by a black man, we really, really, really, really attack the messenger.

Not with the same tactics and equipment and crowds of angry white locals like we used to. But we still really, really, really, really attack the messenger.
 
2014-09-17 10:09:09 AM  

NickelP: Jack Harper: NickelP: IlGreven: NickelP: Tyson is a whiney arrogant coont

...like all scientists and atheists, amiriteoramirite.

/Can't tell Tyson and Richard Dawkins apart, can you?

Exactly right.

//I'm agnostic and one of the reasons I don't like him is how he used cosmos for her personal platform. Sagan's version is one of my favorite series of all time. But yeah I hate science and those people that don't believe in my god. Keep sucking thTyson dick

It was fantastic that he used Cosmos has his personal platform.  Someone has to.  Cosmos did a great job of showing what we know and how we came to know it.  Part of that is the people who made discoveries, but the other part is the intellectual climate that allowed people to make those discoveries.  It would be irresponsible of him as a science advocate to not take the opportunity to warn the general public about how that intellectual climate is endangered and how we could lose opportunities to make similar discoveries in the future.

Depends what you wanted out of it. I kind of wanted something like the original that taught people about science. Something that parents would be glad to show their kids. Something that could be shown in science classes at school. He didn't make that. He made junk aimed at how awful religion is. It is fine to bring up how religions (and more so politics) shaped science in the past, but he went a bit beyond that. I she bishop or whoever had claws/ the scientists always had youthful child like features then the scene would go noticeably darker when the bad church guys came in who were depicted as villians. I mean you can make a show about science or a show about how the church sucks. There is a bit of overlap but he went way too far and it hurt his product. More importantly it hurt his objective of spreading science. No one wants to explain to a five year old how their pastor isn't evil like the man on TV, but they would of liked him to see the science part.


So people are liking things you don't like and you want them to stop?
 
2014-09-17 10:09:15 AM  
OMG, now it looks like NdGT thinks kids are sexy. That's so gross. What a creep.

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2014-09-17 10:09:53 AM  
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2014-09-17 10:10:12 AM  

bestie1: The issue isn't biblical literacy.  It's making up quotes and sourcing them to researchable sources.  If your going to make shiat up at least pick something people can't bing.  This latest quote is so egregious that it blows my mind.


You are confusing peer reviewed publications with TV entertainment.  The two areas do not overlap.

/everybody knows that
 
2014-09-17 10:12:12 AM  
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2014-09-17 10:12:18 AM  
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"I remember hearing Chris Hardwick on a podcast talk about Neil deGrasse Tyson and he was just salivating. White liberal nerds love this guy so much, he could defecate on them like Martin Bashir's fantasies and they would dance in the streets."
 
2014-09-17 10:13:16 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: bestie1: The issue isn't biblical literacy.  It's making up quotes and sourcing them to researchable sources.  If your going to make shiat up at least pick something people can't bing.  This latest quote is so egregious that it blows my mind.

You are confusing peer reviewed publications with TV entertainment.  The two areas do not overlap.

/everybody knows that


Apparently not.

Also, remember that pro-life lady who was complaining that people wwre making up their minds before looking at the evidence? When asked if she'd ever read a peer review medical journal, she responded with "I don't know what that is, but I have a pamphlet for you to read."
 
2014-09-17 10:13:28 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: NickelP: bestie1: It kind of seems like NGT has his own religion. This is the third time in one week that I've seen proof that he's full of shiat yet he's still the savior to so many people.  The first two were the standard tripe that 8th grade science teachers make up.  This one is a uniformed political tirade.  Why do I not remember my college physics professors making these mistakes?  Oh I guess they were just boring and didn't have political agendas.

He is a semi decent public speaker, who is atheist, and has a lot of visibility. The hardons a bunch of people have for him 'cause omg he is smart like me, he knows so much better than everyone else and he agrees with me so I'm smart too!' Is absurd

Basically everyone that only exists in your head.


Read the quotes in the article and the other articles he links to about this.  I don't mean read them for correctness or citations, read them for the points he is making with them.

Oh I'm NDT and I got dismissed from jury duty because I know science and know what a milligram is.  I'm so much smarter than judges and the court system.

Oh I'm NDT and I know what averages are.  I'm so much smarter than everyone else (just ignore the median thing for a minute).  I'm so much smarter than the media.

Oh I'm NDT and I know how many degrees are in a circle.  I'm so much smarter than congress.

etc etc.

My problem with him isn't that he is capable of noticing minor miss speakings of other people, or that he may misquote them.  Its that he sells himself (via promotion and expensive speaking engagements) as being 'so much smarter than everyone else because I believe in science' and then he puts down everyone else with a 'hey you are smart too because of science!' stance.  The man literally gets paid to talk about how stupid people are, except those paying him to make them feel smart.  Think about that.

Anyhow the author is a dbag, so is NDT, cosmos was a farking let down and I hope he fades from the public spot light soon.  If you want a great scientific mind that can engage people besides frat boys that hate the idea of a god, or middle aged people who can pay to get a crappy chicken dinner and listen to him speak about how they are smart because they have $100 to listen to him or their company can pay their fee then look a bit beyond the front page of reddit and fark.  There is tons of interesting scientist out there, but they focus on science and not publicity and how to maximize their speaking engagement revenue.
 
2014-09-17 10:13:32 AM  

SquiggsIN: Geek mode

The pips are wrong. He was a Lt. Cmdr.

/geek mode


That was before he was promoted.  He didn't just start out at lutenist commander.
 
2014-09-17 10:13:37 AM  

Saiga410: cameroncrazy1984: Saiga410: Shut up and science

If he doesn't say anything, how is he supposed to educate people about science? That's literally his job.

There is always morse code or semaphore.


In other words, you goofed.
 
2014-09-17 10:13:56 AM  
Voldemort had been defeated.

"He hated us for our freedom," Ron said.

"No, Ron," Harry said. "He hated us for our free markets."
 
2014-09-17 10:14:05 AM  

SquiggsIN: LucklessWonder: Jackson Herring: black scienceman: the next generation

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Geek mode

The pips are wrong.  He was a Lt. Cmdr.

/geek mode


WE DONE FLUSHED HIM OUT, BOYS--GET 'IM!
 
2014-09-17 10:14:34 AM  
The only thing that projector.jpg article is missing is a final paragraph on Fartbongo's latest golfing weekend zomg does this guy ever work also Benghazi cover-up IRSgate.
 
2014-09-17 10:14:49 AM  
Woah. WOAH. Tyson is a fan of Hitler? That's horrible. I can't believe he would say that Hitler had some good ideas. Ugh.

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2014-09-17 10:14:55 AM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: NickelP: Jack Harper: NickelP: IlGreven: NickelP: Tyson is a whiney arrogant coont

...like all scientists and atheists, amiriteoramirite.

/Can't tell Tyson and Richard Dawkins apart, can you?

Exactly right.

//I'm agnostic and one of the reasons I don't like him is how he used cosmos for her personal platform. Sagan's version is one of my favorite series of all time. But yeah I hate science and those people that don't believe in my god. Keep sucking thTyson dick

It was fantastic that he used Cosmos has his personal platform.  Someone has to.  Cosmos did a great job of showing what we know and how we came to know it.  Part of that is the people who made discoveries, but the other part is the intellectual climate that allowed people to make those discoveries.  It would be irresponsible of him as a science advocate to not take the opportunity to warn the general public about how that intellectual climate is endangered and how we could lose opportunities to make similar discoveries in the future.

Depends what you wanted out of it. I kind of wanted something like the original that taught people about science. Something that parents would be glad to show their kids. Something that could be shown in science classes at school. He didn't make that. He made junk aimed at how awful religion is. It is fine to bring up how religions (and more so politics) shaped science in the past, but he went a bit beyond that. I she bishop or whoever had claws/ the scientists always had youthful child like features then the scene would go noticeably darker when the bad church guys came in who were depicted as villians. I mean you can make a show about science or a show about how the church sucks. There is a bit of overlap but he went way too far and it hurt his product. More importantly it hurt his objective of spreading science. No one wants to explain to a five year old how their pastor isn't evil like the man on TV, but they would of liked him to see the science part.

So ...


No but I'd like it if they were honest about why they liked it.............
 
2014-09-17 10:15:39 AM  
Well, this settles it! Since NGT paraphrased something GWB said with a tiny, insignificant inaccuracy then everything he says is now false, the Bible is word-for-word, literal truth and physics is a lie.

/Seriously, is this the goal they're seeking?
 
2014-09-17 10:15:39 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: Karac: Forbidden Doughnut: Not getting some bible reference right ( Isiah vs Genesis, or something) is excessively nitpicky. (It would be like me getting upset at a Fundamentalist Christian for not having read anything by Voltaire ,Thomas Paine* , or the AD&D "Planescape" campaign sourcebooks )

/ esp. Paine's "The Age of Reason"; lots of things in that one to p*ss off fundamentalists of ALL stripes....

Now hold on a minute - everyone should read about Planescape.  It is quite possibly the best setting for any game I've ever encountered.

Planescape: Torment is farking awesome.

We used to play a bunch of spelljammers when I was a kid.  That was a pretty sweet campaign setting as well.


True but the Forgotten Realms is the one that everyone knows. Well at least before 4th edition and they farked everything up. Now Eberron is where it's at.
/Shadowrun in what I play now days. Mainly as I bought most the the rulebooks for 4th edition of that and 5th edition hasn't added nearly enough to warrent upgrading.
 
2014-09-17 10:16:54 AM  

mgshamster: Marcus Aurelius: bestie1: The issue isn't biblical literacy.  It's making up quotes and sourcing them to researchable sources.  If your going to make shiat up at least pick something people can't bing.  This latest quote is so egregious that it blows my mind.

You are confusing peer reviewed publications with TV entertainment.  The two areas do not overlap.

/everybody knows that

Apparently not.

Also, remember that pro-life lady who was complaining that people wwre making up their minds before looking at the evidence? When asked if she'd ever read a peer review medical journal, she responded with "I don't know what that is, but I have a pamphlet for you to read."


He's also pretty selective in his outrage.  There are blatant falsehoods broadcast all day long through the television, but somehow NDT's utterances are the ones he finds most objectionable.

I wonder why that is.
 
2014-09-17 10:16:55 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: bestie1: Chummer45: bestie1: What science has TNG ever done?  He's a talking head.  Stephen Hawking did/does science.  TNG puts on a carnival that makes dumb people feel smart.


Please tell us more about how much smarter you are than NDGT

The question remains open.  What new scientific work has TNG ever presented to show his creds.  Don't change the subject.

Serious question. Why do you refer to  Neil  DeGrasse  Tyson as  TNG?


Stop everyone! Bestie1 has made a mistake and got Neil Degrasse-Tyson name wrong! This proves he has no credibility and is incapable of fact checking. From this day forward we must disregard everything he says.
 
2014-09-17 10:18:14 AM  
He thinks kids are sexy, Hitler was cool, and now we have evidence that NdGT likes Nickelback. He actually said Nickelback is "a really great band." He said that! How can anybody trust this guy when he says stuff like that. Wow.

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2014-09-17 10:18:39 AM  
If you base your whole argument on getting the facts right, you probably should make sure you get the facts right.
 
2014-09-17 10:18:43 AM  

joshiz: Great strategy: if you don't like the overarching ideas, just get extremely petty and nitpicky in a pathetic attempt to discredit the person delivering them.

"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it." -- Neil deGrasse Tyson

So even if he completely made up his allegories or anecdotes (which I highly doubt) so what? He is not presenting those as facts, just ways to illustrate his larger points - points which these people have no response to so they resort to just these kind of diversionary attacks.


As someone who has spent a decade debating educated, civilized people on Fark I have no clue people did this!
 
2014-09-17 10:19:57 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: The very punchable author's face:
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I don't know if punching him would be the best idea, he looks like he either would enjoy it, or have more knives than fingers on his person and you'll pull back a stump.
 
2014-09-17 10:20:32 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: If you base your whole argument on getting the facts right, you probably should make sure you get the facts right.


They are called "anecdotes" for a reason.
 
2014-09-17 10:21:41 AM  

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