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(The Federalist)   Somebody seriously needs to stage an intervention for Neil deGrasse Tyson. He just keeps making stuff up   ( thefederalist.com) divider line
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2014-09-17 08:50:25 AM  
Remember in Good Will Hunting when Matt Damon tells the joke about the stewardess forgetting the coffee and Robin Williams calls him out for never having been on a plane?  This guy wrote a whole article based on that sort of outrage.
 
2014-09-17 08:51:52 AM  
It kind of seems like NGT has his own religion. This is the third time in one week that I've seen proof that he's full of shiat yet he's still the savior to so many people.  The first two were the standard tripe that 8th grade science teachers make up.  This one is a uniformed political tirade.  Why do I not remember my college physics professors making these mistakes?  Oh I guess they were just boring and didn't have political agendas.
 
2014-09-17 08:51:58 AM  

Bartman66: nmrsnr: MrBallou: Who cares whether NDT got the details right or not?

I kind of do. It's lazy attribution to say "newspaper headline" and a scientist should cite his sources better.

Does that have any bearing on the message? Not one whit.

I don't think that this that big of deal but I do agree that as a scientist you would think that he would have done better at getting the facts / details  correct?


I didn't go too in depth with the article, but it looked like the author was quoting mining Tyson while he was giving an informal talk.  It's pretty easy to get things a little wrong in that situation. In an article or a formal talk, yeah it's definitely valid criticism.
 
2014-09-17 08:52:48 AM  

kbronsito: ginandbacon: You know, not for nothing but Bush was very firm in his message that Muslims shouldn't be blamed for 9/11. It was one of the few things I actually admired about him.

And then he called the war on terror a crusade and farked up all that hard work trying to convince the Mid East that it wasn't all a Muslim vs Christians thing. Even when he did something right, he did something stupid and farked it all up.


I cringed when I heard him say crusade.  He was blowing an Islamic dog whistle and seemed clueless about it.
 
2014-09-17 08:54:24 AM  

Jackson Herring: i.imgur.com


Best. Fark. Poster. Ever.

/ you just killed me
 
2014-09-17 08:55:30 AM  

born_yesterday: mgshamster: So this guys arguement is, "NGT quoted some people; I couldn't find the quotes on the internet, therefore NGT is lying about the quotes."

Additionally, he says that NGT used the rather common joke of "half of all students are below average" as proof thag NGT doesn't understand statistics.

I tried going into some of his links to see his proof; I gave up after the third link that didn't have any.

Did you check his links for "truthiness" and "gut feelings"?


DAMNIT! I knew I forgot something!
 
2014-09-17 08:55:47 AM  

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: Remember in Good Will Hunting when Matt Damon tells the joke about the stewardess forgetting the coffee and Robin Williams calls him out for never having been on a plane?  This guy wrote a whole article based on that sort of outrage.


And what was the end result of that?  Robin Williams killed himself.
 
2014-09-17 08:56:12 AM  

bestie1: I guess they were just boring


As boring as a Fark troll? That boring?
 
2014-09-17 08:56:45 AM  

IlGreven: NickelP: Tyson is a whiney arrogant coont

...like all scientists and atheists, amiriteoramirite.

/Can't tell Tyson and Richard Dawkins apart, can you?


Exactly right.

//I'm agnostic and one of the reasons I don't like him is how he used cosmos for her personal platform. Sagan's version is one of my favorite series of all time. But yeah I hate science and those people that don't believe in my god. Keep sucking thTyson dick
 
2014-09-17 08:57:06 AM  

Bartman66: nmrsnr: MrBallou: Who cares whether NDT got the details right or not?

I kind of do. It's lazy attribution to say "newspaper headline" and a scientist should cite his sources better.

Does that have any bearing on the message? Not one whit.

I don't think that this that big of deal but I do agree that as a scientist you would think that he would have done better at getting the facts / details  correct?


That is a good point. ( cite one's references correctly, or don't use them at all.)
 
2014-09-17 08:57:24 AM  

dittybopper: Schroedinger's Glory Hole: Remember in Good Will Hunting when Matt Damon tells the joke about the stewardess forgetting the coffee and Robin Williams calls him out for never having been on a plane?  This guy wrote a whole article based on that sort of outrage.

And what was the end result of that?  Robin Williams killed himself.


Baaaam nsfw language
 
2014-09-17 08:57:54 AM  
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2014-09-17 08:58:24 AM  

Karac: Karac: Forbidden Doughnut: Not getting some bible reference right ( Isiah vs Genesis, or something) is excessively nitpicky. (It would be like me getting upset at a Fundamentalist Christian for not having read anything by Voltaire ,Thomas Paine* , or the AD&D "Planescape" campaign sourcebooks )

/ esp. Paine's "The Age of Reason"; lots of things in that one to p*ss off fundamentalists of ALL stripes....

Now hold on a minute - everyone should read about Planescape.  It is quite possibly the best setting for any game I've ever encountered.

And just like that I'm looking for a Planescape wikia and holy shiat there's a kickstarter for a sort-of sequel to Torment.


I own almost every planescape book (including all the box sets); include the three fiction novels.

Still missing several of the 20 page adventure books and two campaign books.

It's a fantastic campaign setting. Shame they ditched it going into 3e and beyond.
 
2014-09-17 08:59:00 AM  

bestie1: Why do I not remember my college physics professors making these mistakes? Oh I guess they were just boring and didn't have political agendas.


Because nobody with a shiatty blog wrote rambling, semi-coherent, butthurt ripostes about every little thing they ever said because the blog writer didn't like their politics.

But somehow I don't find myself the least bit surprised that you can't even hold yourself to your own standards over the course of one lousy paragraph.
 
2014-09-17 08:59:23 AM  
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2014-09-17 08:59:54 AM  
 We've also established that the exact quote he used to bash members of congress as being stupid also doesn't exist.


Well in that case, Mr. punchable author has convinced me that many (R) members of congress don't routinely say things revealing how stupid/wilfully ignorant of science they are.
 
2014-09-17 09:02:50 AM  

bestie1: It kind of seems like NGT has his own religion. This is the third time in one week that I've seen proof that he's full of shiat yet he's still the savior to so many people. The first two were the standard tripe that 8th grade science teachers make up.  This one is a uniformed political tirade.  Why do I not remember my college physics professors making these mistakes?  Oh I guess they were just boring and didn't have political agendas.


I don't think that anyone who likes NDGT thinks of him as a Jesus figure, but thanks for playing the christian conservative projection game.
 
2014-09-17 09:03:00 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: The very punchable author's face:
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Oh hell, that is at least a 1.2 on the Tsoukalos scale of face-punchability.
 
2014-09-17 09:03:19 AM  
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2014-09-17 09:04:10 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: There's also a Baldur's Gate type game coming out too.   Pillars of Eternity. It's being developed by Obsidian.


*drool*

/ hope the writing/character development is at the same level as Planescape:Torment
 
2014-09-17 09:04:49 AM  

bestie1: It kind of seems like NGT has his own religion. This is the third time in one week that I've seen proof that he's full of shiat yet he's still the savior to so many people.  The first two were the standard tripe that 8th grade science teachers make up.  This one is a uniformed political tirade.  Why do I not remember my college physics professors making these mistakes?  Oh I guess they were just boring and didn't have political agendas.


He is a semi decent public speaker, who is atheist, and has a lot of visibility. The hardons a bunch of people have for him 'cause omg he is smart like me, he knows so much better than everyone else and he agrees with me so I'm smart too!' Is absurd
 
2014-09-17 09:06:02 AM  

Karac: Forbidden Doughnut: Not getting some bible reference right ( Isiah vs Genesis, or something) is excessively nitpicky. (It would be like me getting upset at a Fundamentalist Christian for not having read anything by Voltaire ,Thomas Paine* , or the AD&D "Planescape" campaign sourcebooks )

/ esp. Paine's "The Age of Reason"; lots of things in that one to p*ss off fundamentalists of ALL stripes....

Now hold on a minute - everyone should read about Planescape.  It is quite possibly the best setting for any game I've ever encountered.


I prefer Birthright and (whispers) DragonLance
 
2014-09-17 09:08:36 AM  
He hates Pluto.
 
2014-09-17 09:08:37 AM  
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Obviously this man was replaced by a cabbage by the Illuminati.
 
2014-09-17 09:08:47 AM  
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2014-09-17 09:08:58 AM  

NickelP: The hardons a bunch of people have for him 'cause omg he is smart like me


They should have a swordfight with the sh*tty right-wing bloggers who get hardons when they catch one of those damn liberal scientists making a trivial mistake.

/ liking penises is ok!
 
2014-09-17 09:11:51 AM  

LucklessWonder: Karac: Forbidden Doughnut: Not getting some bible reference right ( Isiah vs Genesis, or something) is excessively nitpicky. (It would be like me getting upset at a Fundamentalist Christian for not having read anything by Voltaire ,Thomas Paine* , or the AD&D "Planescape" campaign sourcebooks )

/ esp. Paine's "The Age of Reason"; lots of things in that one to p*ss off fundamentalists of ALL stripes....

Now hold on a minute - everyone should read about Planescape.  It is quite possibly the best setting for any game I've ever encountered.

I prefer Birthright and (whispers) DragonLance


I loved reading the birthright campaign setting; didn't enjoy playing it that much. Dragonlance always looked like it would be fun, but I never read any of the stuff because all my gamer friend growing up hated it. The only thing I ever read on it was when a planescape adventure delved into the dragonlance world.
 
2014-09-17 09:12:05 AM  
He's either a smoker or doesn't quite brush his teeth every day.
 
2014-09-17 09:12:10 AM  
You know, I always thought that Conservatives just had a filter when perceiving realty (called the Bible), but now I think they are seeing reality in a totally different way than the rest of us.  Up is down, black is white, and toothpaste makes a swell cocktail mixture.. they have to be brain damaged.
 
2014-09-17 09:12:54 AM  
FTFA:

In journalism, this would get you fired.


BAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!  Yes, journalism in America has such high standards and journalists always suffer horrendous consequences for peddling unadulterated bullshiat:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/16/lara-logan-cbs-news-first-a pp earance_n_5498630.html
 
2014-09-17 09:14:10 AM  

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Ah, the British version of "Hingle McKringleberry." I actually haven't seen that particular Python sketch.
 
2014-09-17 09:14:13 AM  
ITT: A lot of whiny but-thurt that a hero was called out for being full of shiat.
 
2014-09-17 09:14:30 AM  

Chummer45: FTFA:

In journalism, this would get you fired.


BAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!  Yes, journalism in America has such high standards and journalists always suffer horrendous consequences for peddling unadulterated bullshiat:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/16/lara-logan-cbs-news-first-a pp earance_n_5498630.html


To his defense, maybe he has first hand experience, and that's why he's now writing a blog.
 
2014-09-17 09:15:10 AM  

s2s2s2: ITT: A lot of whiny but-thurt that a hero was called out for being full of shiat.


Oh and don't forget the sh*tty trolling!

/ you're late to that party
 
2014-09-17 09:15:27 AM  

s2s2s2: ITT: A lot of whiny but-thurt that a hero was called out for being full of shiat.


I see a lot of discussion about D&D. Are you perhaps reading a different thread?
 
2014-09-17 09:15:30 AM  

s2s2s2: ITT: A lot of whiny but-thurt that a hero was called out for being full of shiat.


I don't know what a but-thurt is, but please wash it first before you start waving it around.
 
2014-09-17 09:15:30 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: The very punchable author's face:
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It reminds me of a more perverted version of the character in Con Air played by Steve Buscemi.
 
2014-09-17 09:16:43 AM  
I thought the cool thing about scientists is that they will gladly admit when they are wrong. Does that only apply to being wrong about science?
 
2014-09-17 09:17:40 AM  
Butt hurt is what I see on this thread.
 
2014-09-17 09:17:52 AM  

s2s2s2: I thought the cool thing about scientists is that they will gladly admit when they are wrong. Does that only apply to being wrong about science?


I like your style. You are going to get bites
 
2014-09-17 09:17:54 AM  

s2s2s2: I thought

Now

who's making things up?
 
2014-09-17 09:17:54 AM  

NickelP: bestie1: It kind of seems like NGT has his own religion. This is the third time in one week that I've seen proof that he's full of shiat yet he's still the savior to so many people.  The first two were the standard tripe that 8th grade science teachers make up.  This one is a uniformed political tirade.  Why do I not remember my college physics professors making these mistakes?  Oh I guess they were just boring and didn't have political agendas.

He is a semi decent public speaker, who is atheist, and has a lot of visibility. The hardons a bunch of people have for him 'cause omg he is smart like me, he knows so much better than everyone else and he agrees with me so I'm smart too!' Is absurd



Yeah I don't get it either.  I mean, why can't people just be content listening to the science experts we already have on TV, such as:

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And don't forget

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2014-09-17 09:18:41 AM  
So, lies are ok if people we like tell them?  That's what I'm getting from most of the comments here.
 
2014-09-17 09:18:50 AM  

mgshamster: Chummer45: FTFA:

In journalism, this would get you fired.


BAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!  Yes, journalism in America has such high standards and journalists always suffer horrendous consequences for peddling unadulterated bullshiat:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/16/lara-logan-cbs-news-first-a pp earance_n_5498630.html

To his defense, maybe he has first hand experience, and that's why he's now writing a blog.



I find it hard to believe that a right wing derper would have been fired because he didn't sufficiently fact check his derp.
 
2014-09-17 09:19:03 AM  

nmrsnr: I kind of do. It's lazy attribution to say "newspaper headline" and a scientist should cite his sources better.


You do realize that NDT doesn't purport to be a historian or a literary expert, right?  He's a  scientist, his ad-hoc conversational stories he tells to make rhetorical points aren't things he  represents as being 100% rigorous in every detail without fail.

Do you hold everyone in the entire universe responsible for memorizing every quote word-perfect with no paraphrasing?  Because NDT ain't any kind of expert in that regard, he's on the same standards as the average guy.
 
2014-09-17 09:19:11 AM  
I thought "Scientists" like TNG liked facts.
 
2014-09-17 09:19:19 AM  

Wooly Bully: Oh and don't forget the sh*tty trolling!


I looked at the first few posts. shiatty trolling is what NDT is being called out on.

qorkfiend: I see a lot of discussion about D&D. Are you perhaps reading a different thread?


I didn't get too deep before pulling out my boobies.

born_yesterday: I don't know what a but-thurt is, but please wash it first before you start waving it around.


It's how I feel when I accidentally the "-".
 
2014-09-17 09:20:20 AM  

NickelP: IlGreven: NickelP: Tyson is a whiney arrogant coont

...like all scientists and atheists, amiriteoramirite.

/Can't tell Tyson and Richard Dawkins apart, can you?

Exactly right.

//I'm agnostic and one of the reasons I don't like him is how he used cosmos for her personal platform. Sagan's version is one of my favorite series of all time. But yeah I hate science and those people that don't believe in my god. Keep sucking thTyson dick


It was fantastic that he used Cosmos has his personal platform.  Someone has to.  Cosmos did a great job of showing what we know and how we came to know it.  Part of that is the people who made discoveries, but the other part is the intellectual climate that allowed people to make those discoveries.  It would be irresponsible of him as a science advocate to not take the opportunity to warn the general public about how that intellectual climate is endangered and how we could lose opportunities to make similar discoveries in the future.
 
2014-09-17 09:21:30 AM  

Chummer45: NickelP: bestie1: It kind of seems like NGT has his own religion. This is the third time in one week that I've seen proof that he's full of shiat yet he's still the savior to so many people.  The first two were the standard tripe that 8th grade science teachers make up.  This one is a uniformed political tirade.  Why do I not remember my college physics professors making these mistakes?  Oh I guess they were just boring and didn't have political agendas.

He is a semi decent public speaker, who is atheist, and has a lot of visibility. The hardons a bunch of people have for him 'cause omg he is smart like me, he knows so much better than everyone else and he agrees with me so I'm smart too!' Is absurd


Yeah I don't get it either.  I mean, why can't people just be content listening to the science experts we already have on TV, such as:

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[www.theblaze.com image 344x344]

And don't forget

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Try watching pbs, nat geographic, (and yes even history and discovery). If you are watching fox news for science reasons maybe the problem is you and not them. Netflix also has tons of great science shows that talk about stars and stuff without devoting half the time to biatching about the speakers personal platform.
 
2014-09-17 09:21:33 AM  

bestie1: I thought "Scientists" like TNG liked facts.


You're trying so hard. Go get 'em, Tiger!
 
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