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2014-09-13 1:57:32 PM  
Well, one is a story about a boy who is marked from childhood and goes on to save the world. And the other is Harry Potter.

/ Harry Potter is probably more relevant to the modern human experience than the Bible

// Dumbledoor dies
 
2014-09-13 2:47:58 PM  
something something something fiction.
 
2014-09-13 3:04:52 PM  
good, the Bible is a little too pervy and violent for me.
 
2014-09-13 3:10:09 PM  
Good ol' Catcher In The Rye Rye

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2014-09-13 3:25:33 PM  
Am I supposed to be upset by this?
 
2014-09-13 3:27:46 PM  

BlueFalconPunch: Am I supposed to be upset by this?


Only if your income is dependent on fleecing God-botherers.
 
2014-09-13 3:35:53 PM  
Poll is false: The closest most people on facebook get to "reading" are photo captions from TMZ articles.
 
2014-09-13 3:36:04 PM  
 
2014-09-13 3:51:08 PM  

cygnusx13: Poll is false: The closest most people on facebook get to "reading" are photo captions from TMZ articles.


Yeah..figures that the top 5 have all been made into movies. The population ain't getting smartuhr

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The demographics of those posting were as follows: 63.7% were in the US, followed by 9.3%in India, and 6.3% in the UK. Women outnumbered men 3.1:1. The average age was 37. We therefore expect the books chosen to be reflective of this subset of the population.


When the fark do women outnumber men 3 to 1? No wonder Pride and Prejudice is so high.
 
2014-09-13 3:51:28 PM  
Hamlet is not a book.  The art of war is a great book and can be applied to many things in life.  The rest are either required reading in high school or your typical internet basement dweller fantasy or religious based.  In other words your average Facebook user. So it works.
 
2014-09-13 3:55:26 PM  
Well, one is about a boy predestined to save the world from evil who sacrifices himself for the world and comes back from the dead. The other is about some random Jew.

/John the Baptist was a gay wizard.
 
2014-09-13 4:02:51 PM  
The Harry Potter series had more memorable characters and a better plot, so yeah, that's not surprising.
 
2014-09-13 4:07:15 PM  
It's a Facebook poll. It's a list of book titles Facebook users could remember.

I'm surprised the #1 answer wasn't "All of them."
 
2014-09-13 4:08:45 PM  
The writing in Harry Potter is much, much better and the characters are much easier to empathize with. In the bible the closest thing to a main character, Jaweh, is pretty much the most evil being in the universe... Responsible for numerous incidents of mass murder, incitement to violence, infanticide, slavery, plagues, etc... And that's supposed to be the good guy.

No doubt Harry Potter books are much better books than the bible is.
 
2014-09-13 4:16:59 PM  
I'm just surprised that the headline doesn't continue "Naturally, some people have a problem with this".  Maybe subby's saving that for the followup?
 
2014-09-13 4:26:18 PM  
I know lots of people that have read all the Harry Potter books, some a couple of times, but I don't know anyone who has read the Bible from cover to cover.  Even the nuttier religious people I know don't really read the Bible.  They get the stories interpreted to them through their pastors.

I'm guessing the people who rated it as a book that stayed with them haven't read most of it.
 
2014-09-13 4:39:48 PM  
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
 
2014-09-13 4:42:43 PM  

Dull Cow Eyes: No wonder Pride and Prejudice is so high


"I often want to criticize Jane Austen, but her books madden me so that I can't conceal my frenzy from the reader; and therefore I have to stop every time I begin. Every time I read 'Pride and Prejudice' I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone" -- Mark Twain, September 1898
 
2014-09-13 4:49:01 PM  

Xythero: I know lots of people that have read all the Harry Potter books, some a couple of times, but I don't know anyone who has read the Bible from cover to cover.  Even the nuttier religious people I know don't really read the Bible.  They get the stories interpreted to them through their pastors.

I'm guessing the people who rated it as a book that stayed with them haven't read most of it.


I studied the bible with numerous sects, from Jews for Jesus to Pentacostals, and have read it cover to cover at least 7 times.

My atheism is a direct result of my biblical understanding. You simply cannot read the whole thing, be able to comprehend what you have read, and then HONESTLY say to yourself, "Well that all makes perfect sense! No reason to doubt any of that!" Doing so necessarily requires some level of self-delusion or lack of comprehension.
 
2014-09-13 4:52:58 PM  

Mad_Radhu: "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."


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2014-09-13 4:54:09 PM  

mongbiohazard: Xythero: I know lots of people that have read all the Harry Potter books, some a couple of times, but I don't know anyone who has read the Bible from cover to cover.  Even the nuttier religious people I know don't really read the Bible.  They get the stories interpreted to them through their pastors.

I'm guessing the people who rated it as a book that stayed with them haven't read most of it.

I studied the bible with numerous sects, from Jews for Jesus to Pentacostals, and have read it cover to cover at least 7 times.

My atheism is a direct result of my biblical understanding. You simply cannot read the whole thing, be able to comprehend what you have read, and then HONESTLY say to yourself, "Well that all makes perfect sense! No reason to doubt any of that!" Doing so necessarily requires some level of self-delusion or lack of comprehension.


The continuity issues between chapter 1 and 2 alone turned me off. It's hard to base your whole life off a book that can't get straight if man or animals were created first.
 
2014-09-13 4:55:12 PM  

mongbiohazard: Xythero: I know lots of people that have read all the Harry Potter books, some a couple of times, but I don't know anyone who has read the Bible from cover to cover.  Even the nuttier religious people I know don't really read the Bible.  They get the stories interpreted to them through their pastors.

I'm guessing the people who rated it as a book that stayed with them haven't read most of it.

I studied the bible with numerous sects, from Jews for Jesus to Pentacostals, and have read it cover to cover at least 7 times.

My atheism is a direct result of my biblical understanding. You simply cannot read the whole thing, be able to comprehend what you have read, and then HONESTLY say to yourself, "Well that all makes perfect sense! No reason to doubt any of that!" Doing so necessarily requires some level of self-delusion or lack of comprehension.


I had a friend who was dead set on becoming a priest. He went to university for world religion, and came out an atheist. This is what education does, and it is a good thing.
 
2014-09-13 5:12:29 PM  
Harry Potter must have been talking to John Lennon.
 
2014-09-13 5:19:13 PM  
An unbiased reading of the Bible would probably have you rooting for the Devil. Seriously, compare the body count between God and Satan and tell me who is supposed to be the bad guy. Consider that Satan's first great act of evil is essentially tricking humanity into having free will and becoming self-aware and that God was more upset at the tricked humans versus himself for not paying attention to the fact that his greatest enemy was literally hanging out in paradise.

At least in the Harry Potter books you have a clear protagonist that you feel compelled to empathize with versus a series of patriarchal figures who spend most of the time bossing other people around and telling them how to live. Jesus is the closest thing to a sympathetic character, but he's only in about a third of the book, tops.
 
2014-09-13 5:21:12 PM  
Herpes stays with you, too.
 
2014-09-13 5:22:00 PM  

Therion: Dull Cow Eyes: No wonder Pride and Prejudice is so high

"I often want to criticize Jane Austen, but her books madden me so that I can't conceal my frenzy from the reader; and therefore I have to stop every time I begin. Every time I read 'Pride and Prejudice' I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone" -- Mark Twain, September 1898


I bet Twain never read Austen at all. He just knew a good gag.
 
2014-09-13 5:24:22 PM  
That list is a good indication of the age of people who take Facebook surveys.
 
2014-09-13 5:25:18 PM  
Harry potter? No. Illuminatus trilogy, yes.
 
2014-09-13 5:35:03 PM  

iheartscotch: Well, one is a story about a boy who is marked from childhood and goes on to save the world. And the other is Harry Potter.

/ Harry Potter is probably more relevant to the modern human experience than the Bible

// Dumbledoor dies


The answer to all of lifes problems can be found in the Holy Bible. The Harry Potter books are childish jiberish that really don't make any sense.

Christ lives
 
2014-09-13 5:38:28 PM  

MrsGsboy: iheartscotch: Well, one is a story about a boy who is marked from childhood and goes on to save the world. And the other is Harry Potter.

/ Harry Potter is probably more relevant to the modern human experience than the Bible

// Dumbledoor dies

The answer to all of lifes problems can be found in the Holy Bible. The Harry Potter books are childish jiberish that really don't make any sense.

Christ lives


I get the feeling you won't do very well on the written part of your driver's test.
 
2014-09-13 5:43:04 PM  

iheartscotch: Harry Potter is probably more relevant to the modern human experience than the Bible


In fairness, of nerd-books the bible is much more fun to go full nerd on.

If you compare passages and note plot-holes and retcons in Harry Potter (e.g. how wands work doing a complete 180 three separate times over the course of the books) you're just overthinking a silly childrens' book and that's to be expected with a mediocre writer doing a set of formula stories.  If you do that with the bible you're a theologist and if you do it hard enough it can net you tenure.
 
2014-09-13 5:44:27 PM  

mongbiohazard: My atheism is a direct result of my biblical understanding.


That is all.
 
2014-09-13 5:56:10 PM  
I don't get Harry Potter at all. I get that they were a publishing phenomenem, that they had lots of nice magical artefacts and ideas, but I don't get how they stayed with people. They're pulp, really.
 
2014-09-13 6:07:57 PM  

MrsGsboy: iheartscotch: Well, one is a story about a boy who is marked from childhood and goes on to save the world. And the other is Harry Potter.

/ Harry Potter is probably more relevant to the modern human experience than the Bible

// Dumbledoor dies

The answer to all of lifes problems can be found in the Holy Bible. The Harry Potter books are childish jiberish that really don't make any sense.

Christ lives


OK, so can you tell me what chapter/book or verse or whatever can help me with a bit of arthritis in my knee?
 
2014-09-13 6:09:00 PM  
44 2.58 Lamb - Christopher Moore

That's the only one out of those 100 that was on my top ten list.


yakmans_dad: That list is a good indication of the age of people who take Facebook surveys.


It wasn't a "survey". It was just a question people started passing around.
 
2014-09-13 6:10:30 PM  
Kind of unfair to lump all of the HP books under one heading when you have The Lion, The Witch, And The Wardrobe in one. Might as well make that entry "The Narnia Books".
 
2014-09-13 6:12:09 PM  

farkeruk: I don't get Harry Potter at all. I get that they were a publishing phenomenem, that they had lots of nice magical artefacts and ideas, but I don't get how they stayed with people. They're pulp, really.


One of the purposes of entertainment is to give people common things to talk about.  Which generic mass-appeal book series everyone reads is a bit of a toss of the dice, since most of it is just everyone picking something for that shared set of cultural references.

Sort of like how you generally only watch the games for the teams your co-workers and friends watch in sports.  It's not that the Bears have more inherent skill or entertainment value than the Tigers, it's that everyone else decided to follow the bears for the purpose of water-cooler conversation.  The specifics of the group making the call are chaotic because all that matters is that a choice be made, not that the  right choice be made-- there is no right choice, as long as the question's resolved you're equally as good.
 
2014-09-13 6:33:03 PM  

dr_blasto: MrsGsboy: iheartscotch: Well, one is a story about a boy who is marked from childhood and goes on to save the world. And the other is Harry Potter.

/ Harry Potter is probably more relevant to the modern human experience than the Bible

// Dumbledoor dies

The answer to all of lifes problems can be found in the Holy Bible. The Harry Potter books are childish jiberish that really don't make any sense.

Christ lives

OK, so can you tell me what chapter/book or verse or whatever can help me with a bit of arthritis in my knee?

You seem to have missed the point, but since this is a Fark thead. I'm not really surprised.

 
2014-09-13 6:33:07 PM  

mongbiohazard: My atheism is a direct result of my biblical understanding.


Truest statement about The Bible from an atheist that I've ever seen here.
People get confused in all the genealogies, and Jewish history.
Simple fact is, the 10 Commandments, given directly from God, are important, follow them. If you're Christian, that's what Christ says to do.
Leviticus, Saul of Tarsus, etc etc, not as important.
I'm sure this won't be enough for those who don't believe, nothing ever will be for some.
 
2014-09-13 6:50:26 PM  

Kurmudgeon: Simple fact is, the 10 Commandments, given directly from God, are important, follow them.


Yes, but which set?
 
2014-09-13 6:53:04 PM  
I was asked to do this list. None of my ten choices made the top 100--not even Ulysses!

The rest, in no particular order:

The End of the Road by John Barth
The Counterfeiters by Hugh Kenner (literary criticism)
The Phantom Empire by Geoffrey O'Brien (a meditation on movies)
A Treasury of American Poetry, edited by Anne Sullivan
Against the American Grain by Dwight Macdonald (essays)
Wisconsin Death Trip by Michael Lesy (history)
The Crying of Lot 49 by Thomas Pynchon
Self-Help by Lorrie Moore (short stories)
The Armies of the Night by Norman Mailer (journalism)

I had no idea that when asked to provide a list of books that were most important to me personally, regardless of their popularity or literary value, that they would be used as data points in a sociological study.  But of course the main effect of social media, if not its main purpose, is to drown the individual in a deluge of consensus and conformity. (Facebook, remember, was invented at Harvard, where America's elite go to learn to behave like Good Citizens.)

The only thing interesting about the Top 20 is the extent to which it is dominated by children's books (Rowling, Lee, Lewis,Tolkien,  Alcott, Collins, the Bible).
 
2014-09-13 6:54:04 PM  

farkeruk: I don't get Harry Potter at all. I get that they were a publishing phenomenem, that they had lots of nice magical artefacts and ideas, but I don't get how they stayed with people. They're pulp, really.


Well, I recently reread them, and to be honest, they're a lot more sophisticated and better written than some of the  "adult" novels that have been coming out recently. You also have to look at the age group of the Facebook posters too, as most of them probably grew up alongside Harry, and these novels were probably some of the first "lengthy" novels they ever read. The majority of my friends picked Potter, and most of them made snarky comments about how the films were inferior.

I didn't put Harry Potter on my list though, I chose A Wrinkle in Time instead for my YA choice, as that's a novel (well the whole series actually) that I usually read on an annual basis, and have for the past 20 years. Oh, and Slaughterhouse-Five, Roots (I read this when I was 11), and Anne of Green Gables
 
2014-09-13 6:58:27 PM  

Cornelius Dribble: I was asked to do this list. None of my ten choices made the top 100--not even Ulysses!

The rest, in no particular order:

The End of the Road by John Barth
The Counterfeiters by Hugh Kenner (literary criticism)
The Phantom Empire by Geoffrey O'Brien (a meditation on movies)
A Treasury of American Poetry, edited by Anne Sullivan
Against the American Grain by Dwight Macdonald (essays)
Wisconsin Death Trip by Michael Lesy (history)
The Crying of Lot 49 by Thomas Pynchon
Self-Help by Lorrie Moore (short stories)
The Armies of the Night by Norman Mailer (journalism)

I had no idea that when asked to provide a list of books that were most important to me personally, regardless of their popularity or literary value, that they would be used as data points in a sociological study.  But of course the main effect of social media, if not its main purpose, is to drown the individual in a deluge of consensus and conformity. (Facebook, remember, was invented at Harvard, where America's elite go to learn to behave like Good Citizens.)

The only thing interesting about the Top 20 is the extent to which it is dominated by children's books (Rowling, Lee, Lewis,Tolkien,  Alcott, Collins, the Bible).


Here's my list, and I think several of them did make the top 100:

1. Slaughterhouse-Five - Kurt Vonnegut
2. Roots - Alex Haley
3. Anne of Green Gables - Lucy Maud Montgomery
4. A Wrinke in Time - Madeleine L'Engle
5. East of Eden - John Steinbeck
6. The Way the Crow Flies - Ann-Marie MacDonald
7. Never Mind - Edward St. Aubyn
8. Persepolis - Marjane Satrapi
9. The War of the Worlds - HG Wells
10. The Hound of the Baskervilles - Arthur Conan Doyle

It's also interesting how most of the "popular' novels are made up of recent literature, rather than the classics. There are some exceptions, but it's definitely stuff that's uber popular now. GRRM is not recent, but a lot of my peers listed ASoIaF as life changing, even though they only got into the novels due to the show.
 
2014-09-13 7:18:36 PM  
Since we're sharing:

Excession - Iain M Banks
Lamb - Christopher Moore
The Atrocity Archives - Charles Stross
At the Mountains of Madness - HP Lovecraft
Only Forward - Michael Marshall Smith
The Shock Doctrine - Naomi Klein
Sun of Suns - Karl Schroeder
Kushiel's Dart - Jacqueline Carey
John Dies at the End - David Wong
The Righteous Mind - Jonathan Haidt

Note that I did this in about 15 minutes, so I'm sure there are some that I forgot about (Tim Powers "The Anubis Gates" comes to mind).
 
2014-09-13 7:19:36 PM  

MrsGsboy: iheartscotch: Well, one is a story about a boy who is marked from childhood and goes on to save the world. And the other is Harry Potter.

/ Harry Potter is probably more relevant to the modern human experience than the Bible

// Dumbledoor dies

The answer to all of lifes problems can be found in the Holy Bible. The Harry Potter books are childish jiberish that really don't make any sense.

Christ lives


You are ADORABLE.
 
2014-09-13 7:27:40 PM  

MrsGsboy: The answer to all of lifes problems can be found in the Holy Bible. The Harry Potter books are childish jiberish that really don't make any sense.

Christ lives


FUNNY'd.
 
2014-09-13 7:35:06 PM  

Jim_Callahan: One of the purposes of entertainment is to give people common things to talk about.  Which generic mass-appeal book series everyone reads is a bit of a toss of the dice, since most of it is just everyone picking something for that shared set of cultural references.


You're quite right. My kids didn't read Potter. By the time they got to school it had gone. And most of them haven't read it. They've got their own mass-appeal books, mostly The Hunger Games series (which is pretty good).

But I'd like to think people have read at least a few more books, perhaps something that actually had something emotional or philosophical depth to it. I mean, if all you've watched are Michael Bay films you will probably think that The Rock is the greatest ever film. If you see The Godfather, Jurassic Park, Goodfellas, ET, The Battle of Algiers, On the Waterfront, Blade Runner, Groundhog Day or Black Narcissus, I'd hope you'd have a different opinion.
 
2014-09-13 7:39:09 PM  

farkeruk: Jim_Callahan: One of the purposes of entertainment is to give people common things to talk about.  Which generic mass-appeal book series everyone reads is a bit of a toss of the dice, since most of it is just everyone picking something for that shared set of cultural references.

You're quite right. My kids didn't read Potter. By the time they got to school it had gone. And most of them haven't read it. They've got their own mass-appeal books, mostly The Hunger Games series (which is pretty good).

But I'd like to think people have read at least a few more books, perhaps something that actually had something emotional or philosophical depth to it. I mean, if all you've watched are Michael Bay films you will probably think that The Rock is the greatest ever film. If you see The Godfather, Jurassic Park, Goodfellas, ET, The Battle of Algiers, On the Waterfront, Blade Runner, Groundhog Day or Black Narcissus, I'd hope you'd have a different opinion.


Off topic, but I just rewatched Black Narcissus via the Criterion Blu-ray release last week. It's still one of my favourite films. This film is proof that you don't need CGI for stunning special effects. Also, the film's sent in India in the Himilayas, yet not a single shot was filmed outside of England. Everyone needs to see this at least once. :)
 
2014-09-13 7:44:08 PM  
Thanks, Grandmaster Flash.
 
2014-09-13 7:44:46 PM  
mine, from what I remember, in no particular order.

LOTR.
Game of Thrones
Charlotte's Web
Tales of a Fourth Grade Nothing
The Dunwich Horror, the Terror of Innsmuth by Lovecraft
Hound of the Baskervilles by Arthur Conan Doyle
Horus Rising by Dan Abnett
American Gods


I know I'm missing two, but I can't remember what they were.
 
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