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(Salt Lake Tribune)   Warning to states suing M$ - make sure your Windows licenses are up-to-date. (Second story.)   ( sltrib.com) divider line
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2001-12-12 01:24:40 PM  
2001-12-12 01:25:28 PM  
2001-12-12 01:27:43 PM  
Get'em Bill!
2001-12-12 01:34:22 PM  
so, in one of these audits, is the company reimbursed for time lost due to the audit? it seems if one company is wasting the time of another by forcing an audit, there should be a compensation based on the time lost.

i think someone should call the BSA about the same company over and over, until they decide to audit. beforehand, make sure the company is in full compliance. repeat ad nauseaum until the BSA runs out of money, and doesn't find what they are looking for.
2001-12-12 01:48:22 PM  
Har har har har!!!!
2001-12-12 01:51:44 PM  
Turnabout is fair play.
2001-12-12 01:54:09 PM  
beat them at their own game, billy. nice!! farking hypocrites.
2001-12-12 01:55:38 PM  
I don't think so Cheeze, I don't think you can force an audit on someone. Typically, if you have a site licesnse with MS, they just ask how many copies of a program you have, and you tell them by a certain date. If its off by a couple, no problem, you pay for the discrepency, if its off by a lot, find a lawyer.
2001-12-12 01:55:57 PM  
its even scarrier that they are bustin ppl for stealing win 95 and utah just copies 98, wheres the justice.
prolly hunting citiz... terrorists
2001-12-12 01:57:29 PM  
Har har har!

Did anyone read the other articles? Utah is one farked-up place(well, except for the Bonneville Salt Flats. ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM!!).
2001-12-12 01:59:33 PM  
"there should be a compensation based on the time lost."

lmao... that's the funniest thing I've ever read in here...compensation for time lost to PROVE that they are using UNlisenced programs...??? how do you figure ??

I agree with SLAYERSWINE "Touche'".....roflmao
2001-12-12 02:04:09 PM  
Would any entity (incl. Microsoft) pass a Microsoft license audit?
2001-12-12 02:08:55 PM  
"After the software giant announced earlier this year that it will audit all l Utah state government computers to determine if they are in compliance with Microsoft's licensing requirements, the attorney general decided to do an internal audit."

Oh jeez...there's only ONE computer to worry about! Hopefully their auction bid on eBay for a license ends before the dreaded audit time!

*sarcastic smirk*
2001-12-12 02:15:36 PM  
VegasJ, it's one thing if they actually find non-compliance. But an audit is "prove you are innocent". If the BSA come in, disrupt your business for a couple of days and eat up lots of your employee's time, and find nothing, that'd be OK with you?
2001-12-12 02:17:44 PM  
The company I work for is going thtough a Microsoft license audit. We are ok but it is the buggest pain in the ass.
2001-12-12 02:20:48 PM  
Thirdrail what does it entail?
2001-12-12 02:28:31 PM  
do they anal-probe for hidden copies of windows?
2001-12-12 02:29:13 PM  
Typical Microsoft arrogance. Gates thinks he is more powerful than the govt. (and is approaching that status). Time for a hostile takeover, Man the torpedoes
2001-12-12 02:35:34 PM  
How does MS make a company do a license audit?
Do the companies have a choice to refuse the audit?
2001-12-12 02:36:34 PM  
Wulph, It's basically an inventory of what is installed on what machines and then you have to give them all your licenses. My boss told me after that they will come in and either go from machine to machine and check although the network person told me they might have something that can be put on the servers and hit all the machines. For now it's still at the attorney level and we just have big boxes of liscens that match up to machines by department.
2001-12-12 02:38:34 PM  
microsoft arrogance?!?!

they are just asking people to pay for using their product for pete's sake!!! imagine that, making someone pay for a product!!! oh the horror!!!

anything to bash the best company in the universe i guess. get over yourself Fj and leave microsoft ALONE!!!
2001-12-12 02:40:41 PM  
Man, you can tell who they people are who DO NOT write code and ARE NOT musicians on FARK by just reading the replies.

What someone needs to do is write some LINUX applications that are as good as, as easy to install as, as easy to support on the enterprise level as, and as diverse as Microsoft products and all of this will go away. If computer manufacturers are strugging because machines are a commodity and people are buying "white boxes" then the excuse that M$ is twisting major vendor's are is getting weaker. When people but white boxes they can choose almost any OS. Why not choose a free one like one of the Linux distros?

Hey, I like both Redhat and Mandrake, but if I can't give it to my non-techie brother and sister and not get 50 calls the first week after installation, it is not ready for the public yet.

The Utah case is a good example of hypocricy. If M$ is a big scumbag ripping everyone off including the state government, then the state should ditch it and use a Linux distro and StarOffice. Can you imagine what that would do if ONE medium or large state government would go to Linux?
2001-12-12 02:43:38 PM  
You pay for the server software
You pay for the client software
Then you pay for CAL's so the clients can legaly access the servers
Then you pay for the manhours it takes to satisfy a MS audit

2001-12-12 02:55:23 PM  
fj:Exactly how is this arrogance? Or are you just looking for any excuse to bash MS, and thus stay fashionable within your geek circle?

MS isn't the only evil charging fees out the wahzoo...You can blame the old, huge UNIX giants as well.

I dunno. I guess I'm just so tired of seeing linux zealots all the time with :

O'Reilly library
Illiad comic strips
Dilbert comic strips
Anime collection
Penguin mints
bla bla bla
2001-12-12 02:56:44 PM  
Potemkin, really? OK, read my reply above and say, "write code or not".

I'll make it easy. Yeah, I write code for a living. And there are times we've been ripped off in a big way, and I'm sure we're being ripped off in little ways. But my duty is to those who pay, and to screw up their lives to try to get the ones who don't is wrong.

You can put out a product people need, and still be a big scumbag ripping everyone off including the state government.
2001-12-12 02:57:18 PM  
Throw whoever wrote this article, back in English composition 1 in CC..
2001-12-12 03:00:26 PM  
MS will eventually choke on their shiat, mark my words. The "software as a 'service'" thing is going to kill them. That is, if people actually have a farking clue in their tiny brains, how much it will cost to do anything more than a few times.

I like the old idea of buying software (which then becomes yours), and you can use it an unlimited amount of times. MS wants to move it to the web so they can charge you for each time you use it, or for each page (you write up, on a text editor, for example).

Ah, all this pent up MS rage...
2001-12-12 03:07:27 PM  
(in best (worst?) bob dylan voice) Ohhhhh, the times... they are a changin'!
2001-12-12 03:24:37 PM  
"The "software as a 'service'" thing is going to kill them."

I agree. You can't make pirated copies of software services and nobody's going to use what they can't pirate. Windows wouldn't be where it is today without wide spread piracy. Not that I'm advocating it but that's reality. I can remember Corel taking Word Perfect to the web under Java. Great idea, revolutionary at the time but nobody wanted it. Apple constantly refused to license their OS/HW for years and by the time they did it was too late. People want boxes, manuals, CD's and support; something they can put their hands on. Paying $X00.00 for a piece of paper (license) just doesn't seem worth it.
2001-12-12 03:37:49 PM  
Can Microsoft really step in and audit whatever they want, whenever they want? They're not government.

BTW, Microsoft: Audit *grabs himself* this!
2001-12-12 03:43:49 PM  
I don't think that Microsoft can force an audit themselves. But I suspect that if the request for audit is refused, then they (M$) can go to court and have the court force the issue (lawsuit anyone?).

But that is a good question. If a company that is fully compliant with M$ licensing, and M$ audits them, will they get re-imubrsed? I mean, I woudl think that M$ could maybe be guilty of tortious interference, but that would be another lawsuit.
2001-12-12 03:53:24 PM  
MS can't force you, but the license agreement for their software (this isn't just MS, you know, there are many companies in the BSA and SPA) states that if you refuse an audit, you forfeit your license and you must uninstall all copies of their software.

So, you have a choice, but its a tough one. Of course, you have a choice in the first place to "sign" the license contract. If you did that, then you accepted that chance. You can't complain afterwards about it, because YOU (the business) are responsible.
2001-12-12 04:03:17 PM  

I have a CAL license agreement in front of me and I can't find any mention of an audit.

Maybe here:
"If you aquired this CAL in the United States, this CAL is governed by the laws of the State of Washington"
2001-12-12 04:38:58 PM  
My thinking is this... An audit is an audit. When the IRS audits you and they find nothing you sure as hell do not get compensated for your time and effort. As far as the MS audist go, ours was really painless, they asked us what we had, we mailed them a tallied copy and that was it. We did ask for numerous extentions though.

--Give Blood, Play Rugby--
2001-12-12 05:24:15 PM  
maybe its the liqour or maybe its the insomnia setting in, but when i read this article all i see is BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
2001-12-12 05:39:37 PM  
Blockquoth FifthColumn:

" . . . if people actually have a farking clue in their tiny brains . . . "

In other words, we're totally doomed.
2001-12-12 05:53:44 PM  
a company i used to work for got a fax from the BSA saying they were coming to town to do a few audits and wanted to make sure we were in full compliance. at the time, i think we had one win98 license installed on around 50 machines. it was partly my job to go around and make sure all of the machines were in compliance.

so basically, i wasted 2 weeks of my company's time doing an audit just because of a single fax. they didn't even decide to do an audit. this sounds almost like blackmail to me. buy licenses or go to court. eff that. if one company disrupts another company and costs lost time, the company that lost the time should be compensated.
2001-12-12 06:35:07 PM  
Actually, most geeks I know (including myself) love MS deep down. I would not have the job I do now if it weren't for MS.

Sure I bash them now and then, but when you get down and dirty, those bastards are the cause for my cushy job, and I love 'em for it.
2001-12-12 06:43:52 PM  
Cheeze said:
this sounds almost like blackmail to me. buy licenses or go to court. eff that.

1) Blackmail? We'll give you another chance to follow the law, and if you don't, we'll sue. Hmmm... Doesn't sound like black mail to me.

if one company disrupts another company and costs lost time, the company that lost the time should be compensated,/i>
2) Good God! Are you saying that Microsoft should reimburse your company for the time you spent running around trying to remedy your illegal actions?
2001-12-12 06:44:16 PM  
BAH! Bad tag!
2001-12-12 07:10:22 PM  
Just as a question, anyone ever been to a business (big or small) or school that only used licensed copies?
2001-12-12 07:43:09 PM  
Newbaca: Yep. Worked at two.
2001-12-12 07:54:48 PM  
newbaca: i own one.
2001-12-12 09:43:09 PM  
That is my exact philosophy, Chilly Willie. Gates and Co. have bought my car, boat, and now they're about to buy me a house. Microsoft may or may not be an unethical monopoly, but they're OK in my book.
2001-12-12 09:51:44 PM  
I'm with Feffer. Cheeze, most companies -- or at least any that have ever done even a modicum of book keeping -- build in compliance costs. So when you say, "I wasted two weeks of my company's time," you really didn't -- they likely already assumed the cost in the first place.

And secondly, what causes you to waste more time: working on compliance related issues, or surfing the net? Honestly, I'd bet that with most companies, the later is the greater cause of lost productivity.
2001-12-12 10:12:43 PM  
Utah has the worst piracy rate in the USA.
My friend has software on his machine that is registered to the utah county sherrif!
2001-12-12 10:16:45 PM  
I agree! McDonalds SUCKS. How they got so big serving up such a shiat product, we'll never know.
Oh, wait.

Change McDonalds to Microsoft.

Carry on. Bash certain companies because it's the In thing to do.
2001-12-12 11:00:47 PM  
Evil Homer: McDonalds and Microsoft are both big companies that serve crappy products. One of them serves food products that give you viruses (I do *not* eat at McD's any more because I always seem to get sick right after eating there, and I don't get sick very often), and one of them serves software products that give you viruses. They're pretty much the same company, just in different domains.

If they were to merge... *shudder*
2001-12-12 11:02:36 PM  
MS can't force you, but the license agreement for their software (this isn't just MS, you know, there are many companies in the BSA and SPA) states that if you refuse an audit, you forfeit your license and you must uninstall all copies of their software

What are they going to do to enforce this, audit you again?
2001-12-12 11:45:08 PM  
Ha Ha Ha! MS is spelled with a dollar sign! Brilliant, fresh and witty!
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