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2014-08-22 12:33:34 PM  
Something, something, giving head joke, getting banned, blah, blah...
 
2014-08-22 1:16:09 PM  
I assume by 'real' they mean that it was really James Foley. There's no doubt it was a dude getting his... well, you know.
 
2014-08-22 1:23:44 PM  
Just another Benghazi distraction, thanks Obama
 
hej
2014-08-22 1:23:47 PM  
Was there some reason not to think it was real?
 
2014-08-22 1:27:23 PM  

hej: Was there some reason not to think it was real?


The TEA Toddlers don't need a reason.
 
2014-08-22 1:30:51 PM  

hej: Was there some reason not to think it was real?



You don't see a death certificate, do you?

/just asking questions
 
2014-08-22 1:31:22 PM  
Was the Nick Burg beheading video ever proved to be fake?
 
2014-08-22 1:35:59 PM  

hej: Was there some reason not to think it was real?


Sadly, no. They looked at the pixels and stuff.
 
2014-08-22 1:36:53 PM  

2wolves: hej: Was there some reason not to think it was real?

The TEA Toddlers don't need a reason.


I over heard Fox News yesterday and they were talking about why we didn't negotiate to get James Foley back. It was the line of 'The US can't legally negotiate with Terrorists'. The reporter followed up with 'We can't negotiate with terrorists because I seem to remember five Taliban leaders being released for a US soldier'

It was at the point that I lost my mind. "We Negotiated with the Nazis for POWs! We negotiated with the Vietcong for POWs! Learn the damned difference!'
 
2014-08-22 1:37:02 PM  
See what happens when we don't negotiate with terrorists?

Thanks, Obama!
 
2014-08-22 1:39:57 PM  

LessO2: hej: Was there some reason not to think it was real?


You don't see a death certificate, do you?

/just asking questions


Long form too. Not the quick computer print out version.
 
2014-08-22 1:40:00 PM  
So..if anyone is curious about what the NSA actually farking does, and who's tweets and vines are worthy of tracking back to their owners physical location...now you know. fark Snowden.
 
2014-08-22 1:41:17 PM  

rdalton: Was the Nick Burg beheading video ever proved to be fake?


I thought they'd determined he was already dead when they shot the footage.
 
2014-08-22 1:43:45 PM  

robotpirateninja: So..if anyone is curious about what the NSA actually farking does, and who's tweets and vines are worthy of tracking back to their owners physical location...now you know. fark Snowden.


LOL

Seems weird that they needed a massive domestic spying program to monitor a foreign twitter feed.
 
2014-08-22 1:44:14 PM  
Anyone ask Nick Fury about this?  Assuming they can find him.
 
2014-08-22 1:47:33 PM  
At least they didn't do anything barbaric like waterboarding him.
 
2014-08-22 1:56:21 PM  

vygramul: At least they didn't do anything barbaric like waterboarding him.


"We don't behead people, so torture is A-OK for us!"
 
2014-08-22 1:56:51 PM  
When the Secretary of Defense starts showing up in nightly news interviews, the drumbeats of war have started.

 It will be sold as a mission of good and end up a clusterfark of greed. Oil, contractor contracts, religious bigotries. It'll have it all, baby.
 
2014-08-22 1:59:15 PM  

theknuckler_33: vygramul: At least they didn't do anything barbaric like waterboarding him.

"We don't behead people, so torture is A-OK for us!"


*that we (the public) know of.
 
2014-08-22 2:02:31 PM  

theknuckler_33: vygramul: At least they didn't do anything barbaric like waterboarding him.

"We don't behead people, so torture is A-OK for us!"


Heck, no. Waterboarding is torture. Those responsible should have been tried and jailed.

But there IS a gradient.
 
2014-08-22 2:02:43 PM  

whither_apophis: theknuckler_33: vygramul: At least they didn't do anything barbaric like waterboarding him.

"We don't behead people, so torture is A-OK for us!"

*that we (the public) know of.


Apparently we also grab them several years after they participate in a "lone wolf" bombing, hold them in military solitary confinement until they go insane then charge them with another crime.

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2014-08-22 2:03:32 PM  

vygramul: At least they didn't do anything barbaric like waterboarding him.


Both sides are bad.

Vote waterboarding.
 
2014-08-22 2:11:38 PM  

vygramul: theknuckler_33: vygramul: At least they didn't do anything barbaric like waterboarding him.

"We don't behead people, so torture is A-OK for us!"

Heck, no. Waterboarding is torture. Those responsible should have been tried and jailed.

But there IS a gradient.


"Those who fight monsters should take care that they never become one. For when you stand and look long into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you." ~ Frederich Nietsche
 
2014-08-22 2:15:11 PM  
sfw? Meaning Kim K's ass isn't in the sidebar?
 
2014-08-22 2:18:36 PM  

Aar1012: 2wolves: hej: Was there some reason not to think it was real?

The TEA Toddlers don't need a reason.

I over heard Fox News yesterday and they were talking about why we didn't negotiate to get James Foley back. It was the line of 'The US can't legally negotiate with Terrorists'. The reporter followed up with 'We can't negotiate with terrorists because I seem to remember five Taliban leaders being released for a US soldier'

It was at the point that I lost my mind. "We Negotiated with the Nazis for POWs! We negotiated with the Vietcong for POWs! Learn the damned difference!'


Centralized leadership and chain of command. You can't negotiate with people who don't have the authority to negotiate for their side
 
2014-08-22 2:28:13 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: When the Secretary of Defense starts showing up in nightly news interviews, the drumbeats of war have started.

 It will be sold as a mission of good and end up a clusterfark of greed. Oil, contractor contracts, religious bigotries. It'll have it all, baby.


Will it have bomb footage and inbeded reporters releasing video fairly quickly.  I could do with another week long bout of watching things explode while eating raw red mead.
 
2014-08-22 2:30:38 PM  

Aar1012: I over heard Fox News yesterday and they were talking about why we didn't negotiate to get James Foley back. It was the line of 'The US can't legally negotiate with Terrorists'.


We may not have negotiated, but others did. There was a ransom demand (an absurd $132 million).  Ransoms for other hostages have been in the neighborhood of $5 million. It's illegal for US citizens to pay ransom, incidentally.

There was some attempt to raise money towards a ransom, but apparently it failed.

Also of interest (for those of us who are morbid), there were several mock executions of Foley. So when he made that statement on video etc. it's entirely possible he thought this was another one. Still, towards the end of all that, while the London guy was blathering on, Foley looked terrified.
 
2014-08-22 2:31:11 PM  

Saiga410: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: When the Secretary of Defense starts showing up in nightly news interviews, the drumbeats of war have started.

 It will be sold as a mission of good and end up a clusterfark of greed. Oil, contractor contracts, religious bigotries. It'll have it all, baby.

Will it have bomb footage and inbeded reporters releasing video fairly quickly.  I could do with another week long bout of watching things explode while eating raw red mead.


Clear off all the Robot Chicken on your DVR. You're gonna need the room.
 
2014-08-22 2:32:31 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Saiga410: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: When the Secretary of Defense starts showing up in nightly news interviews, the drumbeats of war have started.

 It will be sold as a mission of good and end up a clusterfark of greed. Oil, contractor contracts, religious bigotries. It'll have it all, baby.

Will it have bomb footage and inbeded reporters releasing video fairly quickly.  I could do with another week long bout of watching things explode while eating raw red mead.

Clear off all the Robot Chicken on your DVR. You're gonna need the room.


and some mead
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2014-08-22 2:34:13 PM  

sendtodave: vygramul: At least they didn't do anything barbaric like waterboarding him.

Both sides are bad.

Vote waterboarding.


See, the thing is that this is the major change the Dubya administration made to American ambitions.

America used to want to be the Gold Standard in how one treats POWs - captives - whatever. It was something even the most "patriotic" paid lip-service to. That's not to say America was unsullied or even particularly dirty. But as political correctness will point out, language affects how you think and how you think affects how you behave. Imagine how much the worse had we inculcated something different.

And now we will. Now it's, "America: we're slightly less of a tyrant than what you've got." So long as we're slightly better, we win.

That's a real loss and a shame and not something we'll get back for 100 years, if ever.
 
2014-08-22 2:34:39 PM  

vygramul: At least they didn't do anything barbaric like waterboarding him.


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Be sure to keep it ten or twelve feet above the lake bed, and wiggle it provocatively from time to time.
 
2014-08-22 2:37:01 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Saiga410: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: When the Secretary of Defense starts showing up in nightly news interviews, the drumbeats of war have started.

 It will be sold as a mission of good and end up a clusterfark of greed. Oil, contractor contracts, religious bigotries. It'll have it all, baby.

Will it have bomb footage and inbeded reporters releasing video fairly quickly.  I could do with another week long bout of watching things explode while eating raw red mead.

Clear off all the Robot Chicken on your DVR. You're gonna need the room.

and some mead
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Ohhhh. That looks lovely. How long have you aged it?

I have got to make me some mead. I do ale, I'm going to try wine soon but I've been wanting to make mead for years.
 
2014-08-22 2:40:07 PM  

gopher321: Something, something, giving head joke, getting banned, blah, blah...


Why even bother?
 
2014-08-22 2:41:38 PM  

rdalton: Was the Nick Burg beheading video ever proved to be fake?


No but he was very likely dead or very heavily sedated before they started the act. Which is good.
 
2014-08-22 2:41:50 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: TrollingForColumbine: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Saiga410: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: When the Secretary of Defense starts showing up in nightly news interviews, the drumbeats of war have started.

 It will be sold as a mission of good and end up a clusterfark of greed. Oil, contractor contracts, religious bigotries. It'll have it all, baby.

Will it have bomb footage and inbeded reporters releasing video fairly quickly.  I could do with another week long bout of watching things explode while eating raw red mead.

Clear off all the Robot Chicken on your DVR. You're gonna need the room.

and some mead
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]

Ohhhh. That looks lovely. How long have you aged it?

I have got to make me some mead. I do ale, I'm going to try wine soon but I've been wanting to make mead for years.


not mine GIS Red Mead
 
2014-08-22 2:52:07 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Aar1012: 2wolves: hej: Was there some reason not to think it was real?

The TEA Toddlers don't need a reason.

I over heard Fox News yesterday and they were talking about why we didn't negotiate to get James Foley back. It was the line of 'The US can't legally negotiate with Terrorists'. The reporter followed up with 'We can't negotiate with terrorists because I seem to remember five Taliban leaders being released for a US soldier'

It was at the point that I lost my mind. "We Negotiated with the Nazis for POWs! We negotiated with the Vietcong for POWs! Learn the damned difference!'

Centralized leadership and chain of command. You can't negotiate with people who don't have the authority to negotiate for their side


Korean Conflict. We negotiated for a ceasefire by a country we didn't recognize until the 1970s.
 
2014-08-22 2:52:24 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: TrollingForColumbine: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Saiga410: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: When the Secretary of Defense starts showing up in nightly news interviews, the drumbeats of war have started.

 It will be sold as a mission of good and end up a clusterfark of greed. Oil, contractor contracts, religious bigotries. It'll have it all, baby.

Will it have bomb footage and inbeded reporters releasing video fairly quickly.  I could do with another week long bout of watching things explode while eating raw red mead.

Clear off all the Robot Chicken on your DVR. You're gonna need the room.

and some mead
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]

Ohhhh. That looks lovely. How long have you aged it?

I have got to make me some mead. I do ale, I'm going to try wine soon but I've been wanting to make mead for years.

not mine GIS Red Mead


awww I wanted to know where you got the pop top shorties.
 
2014-08-22 2:56:11 PM  

Aar1012: Lost Thought 00: Aar1012: 2wolves: hej: Was there some reason not to think it was real?

The TEA Toddlers don't need a reason.

I over heard Fox News yesterday and they were talking about why we didn't negotiate to get James Foley back. It was the line of 'The US can't legally negotiate with Terrorists'. The reporter followed up with 'We can't negotiate with terrorists because I seem to remember five Taliban leaders being released for a US soldier'

It was at the point that I lost my mind. "We Negotiated with the Nazis for POWs! We negotiated with the Vietcong for POWs! Learn the damned difference!'

Centralized leadership and chain of command. You can't negotiate with people who don't have the authority to negotiate for their side

Korean Conflict. We negotiated for a ceasefire by a country we didn't recognize until the 1970s.


They had the authority to negotiate for their side. We just said their side wasn't legitimate. I mean, we negotiated with Robert E. Lee.
 
2014-08-22 2:57:07 PM  

BMulligan: vygramul: At least they didn't do anything barbaric like waterboarding him.

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Be sure to keep it ten or twelve feet above the lake bed, and wiggle it provocatively from time to time.


It wasn't intended to be so much troll as it was snark at a separate but linked issue.
 
2014-08-22 3:03:51 PM  
The comments... Why did I scroll down to the comments.
 
2014-08-22 3:04:35 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: When the Secretary of Defense starts showing up in nightly news interviews, the drumbeats of war have started.

 It will be sold as a mission of good and end up a clusterfark of greed. Oil, contractor contracts, religious bigotries. It'll have it all, baby.


The prospect of action being taken against ISIS unsettles you that much? You can't possibly be that delicate.
 
2014-08-22 3:07:02 PM  

Biological Ali: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: When the Secretary of Defense starts showing up in nightly news interviews, the drumbeats of war have started.

 It will be sold as a mission of good and end up a clusterfark of greed. Oil, contractor contracts, religious bigotries. It'll have it all, baby.

The prospect of action being taken against ISIS unsettles you that much? You can't possibly be that delicate.


It's probably just an inelegant way of saying, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." The problem is that America'd be condemned if it DIDN'T do something either.
 
2014-08-22 3:08:21 PM  

Biological Ali: The prospect of action being taken against ISIS unsettles you that much? You can't possibly be that delicate.


Taking action on actionable intelligence and bombing the shiat out of them while empowering the Iraqi army is one thing.

Launching another 10 year war out of the hubris that you'll be able to solve an ethnotribal conflict that dates back to Biblical times, and a religious conflict dating back to the founding of Islam is unacceptable.

If you feel otherwise on point 2, might I recommend the nearest US Army recruiting station? Lead by example, Private.
 
2014-08-22 3:12:44 PM  
James O'Keefe. Executed. Wow. Just wow.
 
2014-08-22 3:26:19 PM  

hardinparamedic: If you feel otherwise on point 2, might I recommend the nearest US Army recruiting station? Lead by example, Private.


This line of reasoning needs to be retired. Permanently. It's right up there with the Tea Party claiming that Warren Buffet isn't allowed to advocate for tax reform unless he personally donates all his money to the government.

I mean, I also believe that the Allied cause during WWII was a good one - am I not allowed to hold that opinion unless I time-travel back to the 1940s and participate in the war myself?


hardinparamedic: Launching another 10 year war out of the hubris that you'll be able to solve an ethnotribal conflict that dates back to Biblical times, and a religious conflict dating back to the founding of Islam is unacceptable.


This is another line of thinking that isn't really helpful. ISIS doesn't "date back" to anywhere - they're a group that's sprung up only in the last few years and most of the factors underlying their success are equally contemporary. There are good arguments to be made about not intervening in a poorly thought-out way, but let's not be too melodramatic about the nature of the problem either.
 
2014-08-22 3:30:25 PM  

Biological Ali: This line of reasoning needs to be retired. Permanently. It's right up there with the Tea Party claiming that Warren Buffet isn't allowed to advocate for tax reform unless he personally donates all his money to the government.

I mean, I also believe that the Allied cause during WWII was a good one - am I not allowed to hold that opinion unless I time-travel back to the 1940s and participate in the war myself?


When did Iraq attack the United States or it's interests?

Biological Ali: This is another line of thinking that isn't really helpful. ISIS doesn't "date back" to anywhere - they're a group that's sprung up only in the last few years and most of the factors underlying their success are equally contemporary. There are good arguments to be made about not intervening in a poorly thought-out way, but let's not be too melodramatic about the nature of the problem either.


I'm not being melodramatic, and to state otherwise is ignoring the root of the problem. This all dates back to the era of British control of that area of the world. I would suggest reading anything by Sir T.E. Lawrence. He warned this kind of crap would continue indefinitely.

ISIS is another manifestation of ethnotribal and religious conflicts dating back a millenia, if not more. It may be a new group, but the driving force behind it's formation and actions are not.
 
2014-08-22 3:47:09 PM  

Brick-House: the sawing of the throat looked fake as hell. there should have been a lot of blood instantly.  The head sitting on the back of the body looked real as hell. so if they did fake it, they have some guys who ought b to be working for Hollywood doing movie props and makeup.  The real question is why would they fake it??? Piss us off or try to interrupt on of obama's golf games?


Or it was a really dull knife. Or the London guy didn't actually cut his head off, somebody else did. Faking it doesn't serve any purpose, and it has been shown, these guys have no problem with cutting people's heads off.
 
2014-08-22 3:58:57 PM  

hardinparamedic: I'm not being melodramatic, and to state otherwise is ignoring the root of the problem. This all dates back to the era of British control of that area of the world. I would suggest reading anything by Sir T.E. Lawrence. He warned this kind of crap would continue indefinitely.

ISIS is another manifestation of ethnotribal and religious conflicts dating back a millenia, if not more. It may be a new group, but the driving force behind it's formation and actions are not.



You could do the same thing with just about any conflict. Eastern Ukraine, for instance - you could say "Oh, it's just another case of competing national identities" and then talk about the identities in question, and the proto-national/ethnic identities that were their precursors and stretch things back equally far. But what we understand to be the current "crisis" was nonetheless kicked off by a quite contemporary series of events - it certainly wasn't set in stone that it had to happen (certainly it didn't have to unfold this way). And a lot of what's happening now can still be undone.

The kind of exercise you're engaging in certainly has intellectual merit - if nothing else, it's interesting to see how regions and peoples evolve over time. And it can certainly give you valuable insights as well. However, one can also go too far with it and start reading history as a story building up towards a particular conclusion rather than a record of things that just happened to occur. If that happens, you can lose sight of just how chaotic (in the mathematical sense) the world really is and end up a false sense of fatalism where things are regarded as having been destined to occur even in cases where they could have been easily averted had things gone slightly differently.
 
2014-08-22 4:53:24 PM  

Biological Ali: hardinparamedic: If you feel otherwise on point 2, might I recommend the nearest US Army recruiting station? Lead by example, Private.

This line of reasoning needs to be retired. Permanently. It's right up there with the Tea Party claiming that Warren Buffet isn't allowed to advocate for tax reform unless he personally donates all his money to the government.

I mean, I also believe that the Allied cause during WWII was a good one - am I not allowed to hold that opinion unless I time-travel back to the 1940s and participate in the war myself?


hardinparamedic: Launching another 10 year war out of the hubris that you'll be able to solve an ethnotribal conflict that dates back to Biblical times, and a religious conflict dating back to the founding of Islam is unacceptable.

This is another line of thinking that isn't really helpful. ISIS doesn't "date back" to anywhere - they're a group that's sprung up only in the last few years and most of the factors underlying their success are equally contemporary. There are good arguments to be made about not intervening in a poorly thought-out way, but let's not be too melodramatic about the nature of the problem either.


Merely because the instant crisis is newly instigated doesn't mean the issues underlying it haven't been simmering for decades if not centuries. Don't be disingenuous, it's not your best trait.
 
2014-08-22 5:07:28 PM  

gopher321: Something, something, giving head joke, getting banned, blah, blah...


You might conceivably get banned for making light of a gruesome murder in general, but if you think a "giving head" joke is going to get you banned independent of that, you need to learn that both genders have mouths.
 
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