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2014-08-19 09:41:46 PM  
Dotson, we got Dotson here.
 
2014-08-19 09:42:37 PM  

jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.

We use drones to kill 'suspects' in other countries. 'Lethal response' seems to be OK here, since nobody biatched when we did it there.

The next red light you run could be a death sentence.


WTF?  The guy charge a cop armed with a knife.  Is there any question that lethal force was justified?  Are you people really so disconnected from reality?
 
2014-08-19 09:43:26 PM  
Wow. I thought all along that there might be racism involved, but no, those poor policemen are being confronted by suicidal thugs. Who knew
 
2014-08-19 09:43:41 PM  
http://mjm.luckygunner.com/2010/09/14/interview-with-jurors-at-your-m u rder-trial-after-they-convict-you/comment-page-1/

Just a knife.

Slightly graphic, but if you can take a knife (like a boss) you should be fine.
 
2014-08-19 09:44:00 PM  

MadeInDetroit: Sadly there is no money left in their budget for tasers. Those tanks, cool camo, body armor, and endless supply of tear gas/smoke grenades are not cheap. Besides who signs up to use non lethal force when you got this cool gun?


Yeah I remember everyone farking loved it when cops started being armed with tasers. We watched that shiat on youtube and laughed and laughed. "Don't tase me bro." No one got upset about that shiat at all. We didn't freak out even a little when some kid with a heart condition bit it.

And now everyone loves tasers. Is the desire to biatch online or just to eliminate every police force? Seriously, what the fark is the gun for? If you wanna question one farking thing, fark the farking tanks. No one's been killed with a tank or a tear gas grenade yet. You wanna get mad about something? Get mad at the thing that actually kills people, the thing that every cop on duty wears. I'm sure you'll probably get pissed at the patrol car before you even think of questioning that every farking beat cop has a gun.
 
2014-08-19 09:44:00 PM  

ginandbacon: Jaysus.

It has to be every good cop's nightmare to have an encounter like this. Poor everybody involved.


30 or so cops. Tazers and mace. NO OTHER OPTION but to shoot to kill a man with a KNIFE. And nothing but apologists.

This is what America has become and why other countries look at us like we are crazy.
 
2014-08-19 09:45:30 PM  

AngryDragon: WTF? The guy charge a cop armed with a knife. Is there any question that lethal force was justified?


Yes. There is a question. You say "charged" like you were a cop that was standing there. For decades, we somehow were able to disarm individuals. Mace, tasers, the other 30 cops standing there. But NOW, you just accept that shooting a human being is the Weeners.
 
2014-08-19 09:45:55 PM  
Two St. Louis city police officers shot and killed a black man who came within several feet of them brandishing a knife on Tuesday a few miles from the turbulent suburb of Ferguson, authorities said. \

/non story. Save your derp for a actual shooting where the suspect was unarmed. But I'm sure that the derp will flow, such as "why didn't they tase him", or my personal favorite, "why didn't they shoot the knife out of his hand" or the everlasting non dying statement, "if he had not been black, they would have not shot him so many times".

/please continue your raging.
 
2014-08-19 09:46:00 PM  
People watch way to many movies.  You don't shoot the weapon out of the guys hands.  You don't shoot at limbs.  You don't use tasers on an attacking person.  Tasers are horribly inacurate weapons if someone is charging you with a knife you can not trust to hit him with both barbs of the taser.
 
2014-08-19 09:46:24 PM  

LoneWolf343: SilentStrider: This sounds justified, at least from the facts already out.

Horrible timing, however.

From the report I heard, they waited until he was within 3 or 4 feet before opening fire. That's actually too cautious, I think.


All he had as a weapon was a knife. Maybe the cops could have raised the car windows?
 
2014-08-19 09:47:53 PM  

thaylin: Bazzlex001: Whatever happened to just shooting a guy in the leg? At least TRY for a non-lethal wound

If you are going to shoot you never aim for anything but center mass and never for anything other than to stop, which typically means kill.. Aiming for the leg of a moving person is difficult and chances are you will miss and then he will be on you with the knife. Not saying they should have tried non lethal force. But shooting anything other than center mass is never a good idea.


That makes sense, but My understanding is that he was immobile for a significant amount of time before he lunged at them.

Regardless, this brings to light a better question than that: why the Fark do these police departments have mine-resistant APCs, but a negligible amount of tasers? -_-
 
2014-08-19 09:48:12 PM  

jasonvatch: I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.


You clearly have no training or experience in these matters at all, or else you wouldn't say that. If you are in a knife fight, you are losing. It doesn't matter if your weapon has a bit more reach and you have a bit more training. If you are in a knife fight, you are losing. A little MA training doesn't make you invincible, and what cops learn is minimal. If you are in a knife fight, you are losing. Real life ain't like the movies.
 
2014-08-19 09:48:40 PM  
and of course if he got tazered and then fell and cracked his head open, people would be yelling about why they didn't try some other method.
 
2014-08-19 09:49:01 PM  

jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

What the f*ck is wrong with these cops? Is there an interest on the part of some cops to CREATE a riot? Are they completely stupid, or should we be investigating a conspiracy?


/ i would say trying to use a taser on a crazed knife wielding man would be idiocy.  What if you miss? He had a knife, and showed intent to use it, and would not stop, but don't let that stop you.  Maybe they could have shot the gun out of his hand like anney oakley, because nobody misses in a high tension situation. (points to above post.)
 
2014-08-19 09:50:15 PM  
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2014-08-19 09:50:53 PM  
I am okay with his one. No one in their right mind would grapple a crazy man with a knife if there were any other options available. Guy rushed the cops and was literally asking to be killed.

I feel bad for the cops being forced to be this jerks suicide tool. No one should be put through that.
 
2014-08-19 09:51:15 PM  

Dog Man: If you have a knife within 21 feet of me, you're close enough to kill me because, generally, you can rush me before I can draw and fire accurately. Knife wounds are bad, they can easily server tendons and cause permanent damage and quickly lead to shock. If you're within 21 ft, you're likely to get shot if you don't drop the knife. We don't aim at limbs, we aim at center mass; a nice big target. Even a shot to the arm or leg can bleed you out. Sometimes tasers don't work and OC spray can be resisted or have no effect. Sometimes you have no choice but to shoot.


Yep -- I think it was an officer with the SLC police dept who concluded that an attacker could cover that 21 feet in 1.5 seconds. Not much time to react and defend your self.
 
2014-08-19 09:51:31 PM  
They should have let him go...their presence only made him crazier.


Or They should have just tickled him...

Maybe sang to him...

Blew kisses?

Seriously guys, this thread is a biggest cop- hating circle jerk I have seen on here in a while.
 
2014-08-19 09:51:33 PM  

El_Perro: jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.

We use drones to kill 'suspects' in other countries. 'Lethal response' seems to be OK here, since nobody biatched when we did it there.

The next red light you run could be a death sentence.

If you are close enough to "break the arm holding the knife," the guy holding the knife is close enough to kill you  with the knife.


Are you aware there are these things called instructors that can teach you how to disarm somebody?  If not, please refer to your nearest source of internet, go to the Google search engine and in the little box for searching input the words "Krav Maga".  Click on the links, read the information, watch the videos and then return to this thread with an informed opinion.  Otherwise you will lack the necessary words to at least appear slightly more than a moron.

/This message brought to you by the council to mock and ridicule the silly
 
2014-08-19 09:51:51 PM  

mediablitz: ginandbacon: Jaysus.

It has to be every good cop's nightmare to have an encounter like this. Poor everybody involved.

30 or so cops. Tazers and mace. NO OTHER OPTION but to shoot to kill a man with a KNIFE. And nothing but apologists.

This is what America has become and why other countries look at us like we are crazy.


They waited way longer than what was reasonable before opening fire. You people looking for any reason to kill a pig are he crazy ones.
 
2014-08-19 09:52:09 PM  

wademh: He's speaking to local residents.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/ferguson-chants-heard-st-louis-cops-shoot-s us pect/story?id=25041218


Sorry, they morphed the link or I screwed up.
 
2014-08-19 09:52:39 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

What the f*ck is wrong with these cops? Is there an interest on the part of some cops to CREATE a riot? Are they completely stupid, or should we be investigating a conspiracy?

/ i would say trying to use a taser on a crazed knife wielding man would be idiocy.  What if you miss? He had a knife, and showed intent to use it, and would not stop, but don't let that stop you.  Maybe they could have shot the gun out of his hand like anney oakley, because nobody misses in a high tension situation. (points to above post.)


If they had tasers availible, I think the best course of action is to have one officer tase while the second covers with his service weapon.

I would say the lethal force was justified, but that they should of tried to explore less lethal avenues first.   Its an unfortunate event, but nothing wrong was done. It just could of been handled better. Especially with two officers involved, one could keep lethal force ready while less lethal was attempted.
 
2014-08-19 09:53:03 PM  

mediablitz: ginandbacon: Jaysus.

It has to be every good cop's nightmare to have an encounter like this. Poor everybody involved.

30 or so cops. Tazers and mace. NO OTHER OPTION but to shoot to kill a man with a KNIFE. And nothing but apologists.

This is what America has become and why other countries look at us like we are crazy.


Yeah, I'm a real apologist baby.
 
2014-08-19 09:53:18 PM  

LineNoise: and of course if he got tazered and then fell and cracked his head open, people would be yelling about why they didn't try some other method.


You could've tickled him until he dropped the knife!!
 
2014-08-19 09:53:30 PM  
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2014-08-19 09:54:28 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: El_Perro: jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.

We use drones to kill 'suspects' in other countries. 'Lethal response' seems to be OK here, since nobody biatched when we did it there.

The next red light you run could be a death sentence.

If you are close enough to "break the arm holding the knife," the guy holding the knife is close enough to kill you  with the knife.

Are you aware there are these things called instructors that can teach you how to disarm somebody?  If not, please refer to your nearest source of internet, go to the Google search engine and in the little box for searching input the words "Krav Maga".  Click on the links, read the information, watch the videos and then return to this thread with an informed opinion.  Otherwise you will lack the necessary words to at least appear slightly more than a moron.

/This message brought to you by the council to mock and ridicule the silly


So ninja cops?
 
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2014-08-19 09:54:28 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Yes. The intelligent response here is to wonder why police officers didn't team up and use their flashlights or billy clubs to disarm a knife-wielding suspect.


I'm blind!
 
2014-08-19 09:54:38 PM  

jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.

We use drones to kill 'suspects' in other countries. 'Lethal response' seems to be OK here, since nobody biatched when we did it there.

The next red light you run could be a death sentence.


/ i have explained this before, and i guess i have to again.  The cops generally use equal force plus one.  That means, if you are wanting to fight with no weapon, you're getting 1. the mace, or 2. the nightstick, or 3, tased. That is equal force plus one.  if you have a weapon, such as a knife, im not going to fence you with my nightstick, nor am i going to attempt to tase you, as that could fail. (thick clothing..or just miss). If you have a weapon, knife, heavy club, gun, etc....you're getting shot.  That again is equal force plus one. I'm not letting you get that close to me so i can play swords with you having a knife, and me a nightstick.   I have no idea why this is so hard to understand. it's the way all the police departments are trained.  if you want to fight a guy who has a knife and you have a stick, more power to you.
 
2014-08-19 09:54:51 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: El_Perro: jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.

We use drones to kill 'suspects' in other countries. 'Lethal response' seems to be OK here, since nobody biatched when we did it there.

The next red light you run could be a death sentence.

If you are close enough to "break the arm holding the knife," the guy holding the knife is close enough to kill you  with the knife.

Are you aware there are these things called instructors that can teach you how to disarm somebody?  If not, please refer to your nearest source of internet, go to the Google search engine and in the little box for searching input the words "Krav Maga".  Click on the links, read the information, watch the videos and then return to this thread with an informed opinion.  Otherwise you will lack the necessary words to at least appear slightly more than a moron.

/This message brought to you by the council to mock and ridicule the silly


Do the instructors train on real crackheads with real knives? Otherwise it's farking useless
 
2014-08-19 09:54:59 PM  

Bazzlex001: Regardless, this brings to light a better question than that: why the Fark do these police departments have mine-resistant APCs, but a negligible amount of tasers? -_-


A quick google tells me that a tazer and a few rounds for it costs about a grand. Now you need to train your cops to use it. Now you need to maintain them, replace spent\bad rounds, keep guys current on its use, etc. All for something that isn't going to be used that often.

The things I've been seeing the cops ride around in aren't mine resistant apc's. They are basically chevy suburbans with a bunch of shiat welded to them. While I'm sure they don't come cheap, they are more or less one time costs. While they aren't going to be employed regularly, when they are they will likely be the difference in a situation.

A tazer is more for a guy is resisting arrest\lawful orders than charging you with a knife, because a tazer isn't going to work all the time.
 
2014-08-19 09:55:05 PM  
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2014-08-19 09:55:29 PM  

moothemagiccow: MadeInDetroit: Sadly there is no money left in their budget for tasers. Those tanks, cool camo, body armor, and endless supply of tear gas/smoke grenades are not cheap. Besides who signs up to use non lethal force when you got this cool gun?

Yeah I remember everyone farking loved it when cops started being armed with tasers. We watched that shiat on youtube and laughed and laughed. "Don't tase me bro." No one got upset about that shiat at all. We didn't freak out even a little when some kid with a heart condition bit it.

And now everyone loves tasers. Is the desire to biatch online or just to eliminate every police force? Seriously, what the fark is the gun for? If you wanna question one farking thing, fark the farking tanks. No one's been killed with a tank or a tear gas grenade yet. You wanna get mad about something? Get mad at the thing that actually kills people, the thing that every cop on duty wears. I'm sure you'll probably get pissed at the patrol car before you even think of questioning that every farking beat cop has a gun.


great speech but only one problem. Police in the rest of the country are trained on matching appropriate force with force with most never having to fire a weapon one time on duty in their careers. You have nightsticks, pepper spray, mace, flash grenades, rubber bullets, bean bags, LRAD, extensive hand to hand training to disarm a knife, or wait for it...talking down the situation using all four years of the criminal justice degree you earned. The rest of the police across the country somehow are able to do this and excel at their job protecting the country.
 
2014-08-19 09:56:21 PM  

Delay: If I were the cops I would set up a containment perimeter, call for immediate reinforcement, sit in the car and begin writing my report. So what if the delusional suspect steps away? How far can a delusional person go in 5 minutes that killing him is the best police response?


I dunno - seems like he only has to go down one or two houses to find an innocent bystander to kill. But yeah, cops should just wait it out in the car. That lady two doors down is a biatch anyway
 
2014-08-19 09:56:39 PM  

Bazzlex001: Whatever happened to just shooting a guy in the leg? At least TRY for a non-lethal wound


/sighs....points to Boobies.
 
2014-08-19 09:57:29 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Are you aware there are these things called instructors that can teach you how to disarm somebody?


I am.

I was trained how to deal with a cray-cray with boxcutters prior to 09/11/2001.

How  do you think I feel about this whole "hey, we're authority, we were born in 1996, and do as we say" shait?
 
2014-08-19 09:57:33 PM  

jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

What the f*ck is wrong with these cops? Is there an interest on the part of some cops to CREATE a riot? Are they completely stupid, or should we be investigating a conspiracy?


The more like a warzone the place looks like to people at home the more they look justified playing army.
 
2014-08-19 09:57:40 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: I dunno - seems like he only has to go down one or two houses to find an innocent bystander to kill. But yeah, cops should just wait it out in the car. That lady two doors down is a biatch anyway


Its her fault for not having a knight stick or krav maga training. Both are readily available on the internet.
 
2014-08-19 09:57:53 PM  
Are we seriously arguing how to handle a suicide by cop?
 
2014-08-19 09:58:12 PM  
They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the St. Louis way.
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2014-08-19 09:58:18 PM  

wademh: Pocket Ninja: Yes. The intelligent response here is to wonder why police officers didn't team up and use their flashlights or billy clubs to disarm a knife-wielding suspect.

He looked like he was on something. Toxicology tests will show he had monster energy and could not be subdued by mere flashlights.


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2014-08-19 09:59:14 PM  

moothemagiccow: Do the instructors train on real crackheads with real knives?


Blaze away. They bought their ticket.
 
2014-08-19 09:59:15 PM  

MadeInDetroit: moothemagiccow: MadeInDetroit: Sadly there is no money left in their budget for tasers. Those tanks, cool camo, body armor, and endless supply of tear gas/smoke grenades are not cheap. Besides who signs up to use non lethal force when you got this cool gun?

Yeah I remember everyone farking loved it when cops started being armed with tasers. We watched that shiat on youtube and laughed and laughed. "Don't tase me bro." No one got upset about that shiat at all. We didn't freak out even a little when some kid with a heart condition bit it.

And now everyone loves tasers. Is the desire to biatch online or just to eliminate every police force? Seriously, what the fark is the gun for? If you wanna question one farking thing, fark the farking tanks. No one's been killed with a tank or a tear gas grenade yet. You wanna get mad about something? Get mad at the thing that actually kills people, the thing that every cop on duty wears. I'm sure you'll probably get pissed at the patrol car before you even think of questioning that every farking beat cop has a gun.

great speech but only one problem. Police in the rest of the country are trained on matching appropriate force with force with most never having to fire a weapon one time on duty in their careers. You have nightsticks, pepper spray, mace, flash grenades, rubber bullets, bean bags, LRAD, extensive hand to hand training to disarm a knife, or wait for it...talking down the situation using all four years of the criminal justice degree you earned. The rest of the police across the country somehow are able to do this and excel at their job protecting the country.


Hahahahaha you think this is an isolated incident? This is just the newest one you heard about. I'm sorry I couldn't get you to be a better advocate. I could really give a shiat that cops wear guns and occasionally use them.
 
2014-08-19 09:59:19 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: El_Perro: jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.

We use drones to kill 'suspects' in other countries. 'Lethal response' seems to be OK here, since nobody biatched when we did it there.

The next red light you run could be a death sentence.

If you are close enough to "break the arm holding the knife," the guy holding the knife is close enough to kill you  with the knife.

Are you aware there are these things called instructors that can teach you how to disarm somebody?  If not, please refer to your nearest source of internet, go to the Google search engine and in the little box for searching input the words "Krav Maga".  Click on the links, read the information, watch the videos and then return to this thread with an informed opinion.  Otherwise you will lack the necessary words to at least appear slightly more than a moron.

/This message brought to you by the council to mock and ridicule the silly


Back in the times of the samurai, the real samurai and not the romantic crap that popped up in the Edo period, it was considered embarrassing to be an expert swordsman, because being an expert swordsman meant you were terrible with your bow and your spear.
 
2014-08-19 09:59:22 PM  

moothemagiccow: Smeggy Smurf: El_Perro: jasonvatch: cretinbob: jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

I don't know about there, but here, generally no. You'll have one officer/deputy who carries one and the rest just have regular sidearms

Nightsticks? Flashlights?

I admit that I wouldn't want to take on a knife-wielding idiot with a nightstick. But two cops? I suspect they received some training in the past - and the baton has enough reach and mass to break the arm holding the knife.

We use drones to kill 'suspects' in other countries. 'Lethal response' seems to be OK here, since nobody biatched when we did it there.

The next red light you run could be a death sentence.

If you are close enough to "break the arm holding the knife," the guy holding the knife is close enough to kill you  with the knife.

Are you aware there are these things called instructors that can teach you how to disarm somebody?  If not, please refer to your nearest source of internet, go to the Google search engine and in the little box for searching input the words "Krav Maga".  Click on the links, read the information, watch the videos and then return to this thread with an informed opinion.  Otherwise you will lack the necessary words to at least appear slightly more than a moron.

/This message brought to you by the council to mock and ridicule the silly

Do the instructors train on real crackheads with real knives? Otherwise it's farking useless


Yeah, how do people train for combat?  Gee I guess no Marine has ever learned to kill with his hands.  No martial artist in history has ever been capable of taking a blade from a punk.
 
2014-08-19 10:00:00 PM  
Wouldn't the best possible outcome of this and the Michael Brown situation to be that the cops were totally justified in their actions? That they did their jobs correctly and used good judgement, their lethal force was justified?

It's crazy that there are people who seem to be passionately hoping for the exact opposite and would almost never accept, despite any facts presented to them, that maybe these cops did the right thing.

And I say that knowing full well that there are horrible, a-hole, badge wearing muthafarkers out there who have no business doing the job. I've met a few in my days.
 
2014-08-19 10:00:02 PM  
Why didn't the deceased use his taser?  Aren't those like Obama Phones?
 
2014-08-19 10:00:35 PM  
When you pull a knife on a gun, you get a gun.

Play stupid games, get stupid prizes.
 
2014-08-19 10:00:36 PM  
Why didn't the police use water cannons, or shoot the guy with ear plugs?
 
2014-08-19 10:02:20 PM  

HeathenHealer: Wouldn't the best possible outcome of this and the Michael Brown situation to be that the cops were totally justified in their actions? That they did their jobs correctly and used good judgement, their lethal force was justified?

It's crazy that there are people who seem to be passionately hoping for the exact opposite and would almost never accept, despite any facts presented to them, that maybe these cops did the right thing.

And I say that knowing full well that there are horrible, a-hole, badge wearing muthafarkers out there who have no business doing the job. I've met a few in my days.


Don't you understand? This isn't about that anymore. Its about the militarization of police. Or the hold of the man on society. Or student loan debt. Or, well, hell, what is your personal pocket issue, give me a few minutes and I'll figure out a way to tangently attach it to this.
 
2014-08-19 10:02:46 PM  

jasonvatch: Don't they have tasers?

What the f*ck is wrong with these cops? Is there an interest on the part of some cops to CREATE a riot? Are they completely stupid, or should we be investigating a conspiracy?


I am going to have to disagree. This guy wanted to die, and got his wish.
 
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