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2014-08-18 2:55:17 PM  
It's no skin off my nose but I find it inconsistent that directly below this thread is a thread advertising Total Fark with the headline:

We offend more people before 9AM than most people do in a day.

One hand you are outright advertising as a positive that you run a website that people can and will find offensive and then turn around and start moderating the website because some people find it offensive. As I said, it's no skin off my nose but it does appear to be sending mixed messages.
 
2014-08-18 2:55:17 PM  

HAMMERTOE: But alimony (institutionalized financial rape) jokes are still okay, right?


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MBK
2014-08-18 2:55:18 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: Not all dicks are bad


You forgot the hashtag

#notalldicksarebad
 
2014-08-18 2:55:25 PM  

CatherineM: spcMike: We can still be attention whores, right?

I'm sure. We just can't be called sluts now.


How'd that sex convo / session go for you this weekend?
 
2014-08-18 2:55:27 PM  

Genevieve Marie: And as for the racism and homophobia stuff... we're working on it.


Basically, it would be nice if folks could remember the Prime Directive: Don't be a dick.


The Politics tab would be a ghost town.

Good call,  Drew. I hope this works out well.
 
2014-08-18 2:55:29 PM  
So no PIV comments then, right? Because I'm a radfem and feel like that goes into rape territory. It will destroy TFD, but so be it. Glad we're moving in this direction.
 
2014-08-18 2:55:32 PM  

babysealclubber: Hell, I may go back to TF if that means this will cull the herd of some of the assholes.


TF is the culled herd of assholes.
 
2014-08-18 2:55:38 PM  
How about "daddy issues" can we still throw that one around?
 
2014-08-18 2:55:53 PM  
OMG Drew! This is a really freaking amazing thing and makes me love you guys and this website even more. Thank you so much for taking the time and care to do this. I know this will make the mods jobs harder but know that this survivor thanks you from the bottom of her heart.
 
2014-08-18 2:55:55 PM  
RIP
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2014-08-18 2:56:00 PM  

ami5000: Wait. We can still say all women are crazy though, right? Don't take that away from us crazy broads.


Women can say it because they are women.

DUH. I hope this helps.
 
2014-08-18 2:56:04 PM  
Drew:
- Calling women as a group "whores" or "sluts" or similar demeaning terminology

How about less overtly sexist terms?
Dames
Broads
Skirts
Chicks
Birds
Sheilas
 
2014-08-18 2:56:05 PM  
What about like when someone posts about woman of all sizes being beautiful and stuff. Is it still ok to reply with:
/yyou sound fat
//fat girl like typing detected
Etc etc?
 
2014-08-18 2:56:06 PM  
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/Please no banhammering. It's. A. JOKE!@!
 
2014-08-18 2:56:09 PM  
#yesallTFdicks
 
2014-08-18 2:56:12 PM  

skybreaker: babysealclubber: Hell, I may go back to TF if that means this will cull the herd of some of the assholes.

We ran them out of TF on our own. It's one of the few things we self moderate, along with the dude who wanted to f*ck his dog.


WTholyfark? 


Wait.... was I run out? Or did I leave on my own? I'm no longer sure.....
 
2014-08-18 2:56:15 PM  
Obvious ploy to silence Republican Farkers.
 
2014-08-18 2:56:17 PM  

Arkanaut: rickythepenguin: - Calling women as a group "whores" or "sluts" or similar demeaning terminology

b-b-b-b-b-but what if she really is a whore?

You can try "lady of the evening".


Oh, oh, 'courtesan', oh aren't we grand. Harlot's not good enough for us eh? Paramour, concubine, fille de joie. That's what we are not. Well listen to me my fine fellow, you are a bit of tail, that's what you are.
 
2014-08-18 2:56:19 PM  

fireclown: meat0918: fireclown: had this really been THAT big of a problem?  More than the myriad of other shiatshows, that is.

It has gotten out of hand lately.  Do you never venture over to the politics tab and view the contraception, Republican that said rape again, or abortion threads?

not as a rule, no.  I pretty much stay on the main page.  I've noticed an increase in chat about the male rights community, but I figured that was kind of an offshoot of that murderous jerkwads "I hate chicks" manifesto" that would kind of fade out over time.  And when it came up, the number of decent folk/white knights that stomped on it kind of gave me some hope.


Those men's rights guys piss me off so goddamn much.  We could have a conversation about equality and how much we still need to do, but instead they whine about how they aren't kings of the castle anymore.
 
2014-08-18 2:56:27 PM  
Ponzholio calls me a slut all the time. Is it okay because I'm a guy or because I'm, you know, a slut?
 
2014-08-18 2:56:27 PM  
Congrats on another asinine decision that creates more work and derision among your moderators and the plebs that sometimes enjoy the place.
 
2014-08-18 2:56:28 PM  

spcMike: We can still be attention whores, right?


I sure as f*ck hope so!
 
2014-08-18 2:56:30 PM  
So what the hell does that leave me?  Linseed and canola jokes?
 
2014-08-18 2:56:35 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: How are we supposed to make fun of Republicans now?


By quoting them.
 
2014-08-18 2:56:36 PM  
The white knight industry just crashed.
 
2014-08-18 2:56:42 PM  

Drew: Adding misogyny to Fark moderator guidelines.

Adam Savage once described to me the problem this way: if the Internet was a dude, we'd all agree that dude has a serious problem with women.

We've actually been tightening up moderation style along these lines for awhile now, but as of today, the FArQ will be updated with new rules reminding you all that we don't want to be the He Man Woman Hater's Club.  This represents enough of a departure from pretty much how every other large internet community operates that I figure an announcement is necessary.

There are lots of examples of highly misogynistic language in pop culture, and Fark has used those plenty over the years. From SNL's "Jane, you ignorant slut" to Blazing Saddles' multiple casual references to rape, there are a lot of instances where views are made extreme to parody them. On Fark, we have a tendency to use pop culture references as a type of referential shorthand with one another.

On SNL and in a comedy movie, though, the context is clear. On the Internet, it's impossible to know the difference between a person with hateful views and a person lampooning hateful views to make a point. The mods try to be reasonable, and context often matters. We will try and determine what you meant, but that's not always a pass. If your post can be taken one of two ways, and one of those ways can be interpreted as misogynistic, the mods may delete it -- even if that wasn't your intent.

Things that aren't acceptable:

- Rape jokes
- Calling women as a group "whores" or "sluts" or similar demeaning terminology
- Jokes suggesting that a woman who suffered a crime was somehow asking for it

Obviously, these are just a few examples and shouldn't be taken as the full gospel, but to give you a few examples of what will always be over the line. Trying to anticipate every situation and every conversation in every thread would be ridiculous, so consider these guidelines and post accordingly.  I recommend that when encountering gr ...


Damn, Drew - those years in Berkeley ruined you.

/kidding
//at least a little
 
2014-08-18 2:56:53 PM  

GrahamManning: CatherineM: spcMike: We can still be attention whores, right?

I'm sure. We just can't be called sluts now.

How'd that sex convo / session go for you this weekend?


Great! He takes direction well :) I didn't have any conversation beforehand but when I got into bed, I just started running my mouth and he went with it.
 
2014-08-18 2:56:55 PM  
Being a moderator must be exhausting.
 
2014-08-18 2:56:59 PM  

MBK: Mrs.Sharpier: Not all dicks are bad

You forgot the hashtag

#notalldicksarebad


#yesallvaginas

Wait...
 
2014-08-18 2:57:00 PM  

rocketpants: We pretty much jump all over anyone who makes those jokes anyway.



selectively, however.  on mainpage someone "TFamous" got dogpiled for misogyny, i said "hes probably joking, come on you guys". and then a few threads up, someone had a "pregnant wife hates guns, i love guns, wat do?" thread.  other folks, some female, were like "shoot her in the tit", "take out the baby, problem solved" and where were the Sensitivity/ Misogyny police then?

TFD, i basically quit politics trheasds, infamously has its sacred cows who can say and do pretty much whatever and it gets written off as "he's just joking", "she's not serious".  and then others get labeled as misogynists or whatever.

selective application of ill-defined rules?  what could possibly go wrong?
 
2014-08-18 2:57:01 PM  
Drew - Are you going to do away with the Foobies tab?

I mean "Sensual Sylvia has her meat curtains spread for you" doesn't exactly suggest a website who cares.

It's like Tiffanys having a bathroom in the back with a glory hole.
 
2014-08-18 2:57:24 PM  
Great - some hawt chick attractive female just dragged me back into the inner circle of hell!

*gives LlamaGirl an uncomfortable side-hug & resists the urge to grab ass*
 
2014-08-18 2:57:27 PM  
Ok, time to change to Subby's Dad, jokes people. (Not this subby, of course). Let's see...

Subby's dad is overweight.
Subby's dad has an smaller than average penis.
Subby's dad has slept with several women.

Damn it, it doesn't work.
 
2014-08-18 2:57:29 PM  
biatches man.  Ladies, man.

Am i doing it right
 
2014-08-18 2:57:31 PM  

Solty Dog: While I have your attention. I think anigifs need to go away.


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2014-08-18 2:57:35 PM  

ParallelUniverseParking: Smeggy Smurf: How are we supposed to make fun of Republicans now?

By quoting them.


DING DING DING

We have a winner!
 
2014-08-18 2:57:40 PM  
This thread reminds me why I stay in TFD.
 
2014-08-18 2:57:41 PM  
And misandry as well I hope.

Don't want to appear sexist.
 
2014-08-18 2:57:43 PM  
I need to go back and read what drew wrote again.
 
2014-08-18 2:57:44 PM  
Can we still mock people who find rape culture in everything? I mean, seriously, a donut hole is just a hole, nothing more. It's not the patriarchy all sexyifying things up.
 
2014-08-18 2:57:44 PM  

honeygrl: What if I call myself a slut? Is that ok?


We really can't tell until you put some pics up in your profile.  (I keed, I keed!  Mostly.)

So, "PMITA Prison" and its variants are Right Out, then?

Good.  I always find it icky when Farkers act like that is part of a normal prison sentence, and that it's somehow acceptable, heck, even deserved.  Just boggles my mind.
 
2014-08-18 2:57:44 PM  

mcsiegs: Drew - Are you going to do away with the Foobies tab?

I mean "Sensual Sylvia has her meat curtains spread for you" doesn't exactly suggest a website who cares.

It's like Tiffanys having a bathroom in the back with a glory hole.


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2014-08-18 2:57:45 PM  
Can we split rape jokes into two categories? Tasteful and not so tasteful?

What about implied rape jokes?

Can I no longer tell people about going to the store to buy a mask, a knife, a tarp, some trash bags and duct tape?

Am I going to have to stop with the body of a 16 year old stitch?
 
2014-08-18 2:57:50 PM  
What about male on male rape?

"I can prove to you that rape is funny. Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd." - George Carlin
 
2014-08-18 2:57:53 PM  
Does this mean that stupid "Glen Beckk 1990" or whatever thing is now against the rules, too?
 
2014-08-18 2:57:57 PM  

Drew: Calling women as a group "whores"


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2014-08-18 2:58:01 PM  

Banned on the Run: Drew:
- Calling women as a group "whores" or "sluts" or similar demeaning terminology

How about less overtly sexist terms?
Dames
Broads
Skirts
Chicks
Birds
Sheilas


Don't you DAREtry to take Skirts and Broads from me.
 
2014-08-18 2:58:02 PM  

mcsiegs: It's like Tiffanys having a bathroom in the back with a glory hole.


No wonder everyone wants to have breakfast there.
 
2014-08-18 2:58:04 PM  

HighZoolander: Can we still make fun of that guy in the morgue who abused corpses?


You can't say the corpse was asking for it.
 
2014-08-18 2:58:08 PM  

It's Me Bender: here to help: 2) More and more and more I am having posts fail and disappearing. It seems random and I have no idea WTF is going on. When it happens there seems to usually be a crosscripting error thrown by NoScript.

It's NoScript's XSS filtering.   I notice it mostly happens when I post an image.  There should be a notification when this happens -- click it and choose "unsafe reload".

There is probably some way to turn it off for just Fark, but I haven't bothered to find out how.


Add "^https://[a-z]+\.fark\.com/[^"\?%]+$ " to the XSS tab on Advanced options of noscript.
 
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