Son of Thunder: Pretty slick move there, anti-DP activists. Harass suppliers until they want to be anonymous, then claim that anonymous transactions are too shady to allow.I'll pass that advice along to the pro-life activists.
way south: baka-san: The death penalty serves no purpose other than to allow DA's to say they are "tough of crime"It serves quite a few purposes in a society when its used properly. It gives you that higher grade of punishment for your most heinous criminals, and can save you all those resources spent on their incarceration. The public has always liked a good hanging, which sates their bloodlust and let's them feel the state has a lock on things.Problem is we don't do anything properly. We put retards on death row and give life imprisonment to known monsters. We make the checks and balances procedures for the death penalty process far more complicated than we do for other penalties. Then when its finally time to make a kill we even FARK that up.The DA gets to say they are just as tough on crime when they put pod heads in jail for as long as rapists. They won't be hurting when the executions are gone.
cchris_39: Ah. Well then, let's tear up their patent now.
SixPaperJoint: Jump to 36:45 for the TLDR conclusion. Spoiler: it's hypoxia. Painless, quick and humane.
way south: Do it right the first time and an endless appeal system is less necessary.
way south: A problem we've created by allowing a lot of nonsense to go down at trial.Do it right the first time and an endless appeal system is less necessary.
Jim_Callahan: dookdookdook: Unless your idea of "harassment" is the same arson, murder, and general terrorism used by "pro-life" activists in the past.That's... pretty much exactly what was being threatened when the secrecy rules were put into play, yes. Straight-up credible terrorist threats, and yes, I'm aware that's somewhat ironic coming from anti death penalty people but activists have no sense of irony.... or was that your point, and I'm interpreting sarcasm as straight-faced ignorance?
Mrbogey: Halli: You think people who are sentenced to death row will ever get out of jail? Also don't these inmates stay in the system for years? How dangerous have they been exactly?Sometimes lifers do get out. Sometimes they escape. It happens. Sometimes death row and lifers will kill, rape, or assault guards and prisoners. It happens.
Mrbogey: baka-san: The death penalty serves no purpose other than to allow DA's to say they are "tough of crime"Well, that and making sure scumbags can't continue to victimize other people (guards and inmates). But yea, other than that it doesn't do anything. Oh, and it makes sure a family can sleep at night knowing the hate-filled racists who killed their father will never ever ever get out of jail and come after them. But yea, other than those two things... it does nothing.
hardinparamedic: So, question. Why don't we just give these people massive doses of research-quality heroin. The LD50 with complete circulatory collapse is 350mg. Just give them a gram, rapid IV push, and let nature take it's course
SixPaperJoint: hardinparamedic: So, question. Why don't we just give these people massive doses of research-quality heroin. The LD50 with complete circulatory collapse is 350mg. Just give them a gram, rapid IV push, and let nature take it's courseI think there might be a better way.How to Kill a Human Being- BBC DocumentaryJump to 36:45 for the TLDR conclusion. Spoiler: it's hypoxia. Painless, quick and humane.If we are going to end someone's life for a crime we are obligated to be the "bigger person" and not stoop to the level of the condemned. It's supposed to be a form of justice not revenge.
hardinparamedic: cchris_39: FTA -Because the Danish maker of pentobarbital is now refusing to supply that drug to corrections departments.....Ok you have until the close of business tomorrow to resume shipping or your U.S. patent goes in the shredder.The Swedish government prohibits the export of drugs specifically used to end human life in judicial execution as a violation of human rights.It
cchris_39: FTA -Because the Danish maker of pentobarbital is now refusing to supply that drug to corrections departments.....Ok you have until the close of business tomorrow to resume shipping or your U.S. patent goes in the shredder.
Jim_Callahan: way south: Do it right the first time and an endless appeal system is less necessary.I guess that applies to mistrials and procedural appeals... but you do realize that death penalty cases typically get mandatory appeals, right? Like, most states legally require at least one do-over of the convicting trial if the sentencing hearing comes back with a death sentence?They're not, strictly speaking, optional most of the time. Appropriately so since it's rather difficult to exonerate a dead guy in anything more than the symbolic sense. There haven't been a lot of actual verified false convictions that resulted in execution (as in, the state actually exonerated post-execution, not the innocence-project math estimate of 300% of death row cases being the wrong guy or whatever ridiculous bullshiat they're pulling out of their asses this month) but it has happened, and a couple cases are more than enough to merit the extra legal caution involved.
Jim_Callahan: Like, most states legally require at least one do-over of the convicting trial if the sentencing hearing comes back with a death sentence?
firefly212: I May Be Crazy But...: Apparently a lot of veterinarians are taught how to use a gun to put down an animal humanely. You know, one bullet that scrambles the brain. Obviously that's not going to come in handy so much for a small animal vet, but apparently it's occasionally a good thing to know when there's a cow suffering seriously. Just do that. Yeah, it's gruesome, but what's that matter to the guy being killed? Nobody is forced to watch.Maybe the public should be forced to watch what's being done in their name. Maybe if people had to actually see the results of the system the vote for, they would vote for something better.
Tyrone Slothrop: I say we should bring back public hanging. Let people see what is on the end of their newspaper spoon, as Burroughs said.
baka-san: The death penalty serves no purpose other than to allow DA's to say they are "tough of crime"
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