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2004-02-12 02:29:17 PM  
MSN has video of the exchange between Secretary Powell and the Congressman who had referred to the President as having been AWOL:

http://dellnet.my.msn.com/video/default.armx?prepend=62378dec-21db-4af​a-8f76-d 68b6de855d6,919edacc-e319-4e0e-9e3c-fe95ad9901c1,799d30a7-724f-45a3-a6​2c-c6c8c a634ff6&menu=News&menuItem=NBC%20News

Powell put that P.O.S. in his place.
2004-02-12 02:29:18 PM  
How long before his son steps in and applies mosaic blur to this whole story?
2004-02-12 02:29:34 PM  
I don't really classify Powell as a Democrat or Republican.

I think he is a great asset to this country, and some little shiat stick staffer whose a big kiss ass starts nodding like he knows something and gets his dick knocked into the dirt.

Sounds good to me.

Have any of you ever met congressional or state reps? They are the kiss ass hall monitor you hated in school that would do anything to make them look good and everyone else look bad.

By the way, one Congressmen got taken to school as well if you were fortunate enough to watch it on television.

Congress gets people who are actually making decisions and doing work, and then criticize them and what they have done. Then you look at the criticizers and realize they haven't done jack shiat for this country.

By the way, I put this in the same category as those bastards who were wanting to get all high and mighty on Clinton.

We need bold risk takers who aren't afraid of criticism. We are castrating all the people actually doing work for our government becasue we have the benefit of hindsight.
2004-02-12 02:29:38 PM  
Re: Slippery Slope

That was the nickname of an Asian girl I dated in high-school...

/racist comedy at its political finest
2004-02-12 02:30:05 PM  
Maybe that staffer just had that "Milkshake" song stuck in his head??
2004-02-12 02:30:05 PM  

Read this very slowly.

Person A knows he is lying, is tired of lying, and so lashes out. .

Person B knows he is lying, is tired of lying, and so lashes out. .

Same motivation, same reaction.
2004-02-12 02:30:56 PM  

And Bush never claimed to be a big bad fighter pilot, as you put it, either. And calling someone a dumbass because they don't agree with your opinion?!? That's mature. Do you use that method of arguing in your job? You throw an insult out at a peer sitting across the table from you because he doesn't agree with you or has an opposing opinion?

Or maybe you're 13 and all should be forgiven.
2004-02-12 02:31:14 PM  
frisbee - You miss the point. The questioner (Rep. Brown) was not the one doing the head shaking. It was a staffer seated behind him. The Representative was free to shake his head all he wanted. But that's not the issue and not what happened.
2004-02-12 02:32:08 PM  
I always thought it was irritating when Newt Gingrich would do his smirking and face-making behind Clinton during the State of the Union addresses and other televised events.

I may be left of center, but I think respect is something people of all parties need to learn. And for a conservative, Powell is a really cool guy who really deserves respect.
2004-02-12 02:32:27 PM  

BTW, you could add Hyperbole to your list of slippery slope and non sequitur.

You wouldn't need all this if you had a legitimate direction in which to go.

2004-02-12 02:33:13 PM  
Speaking of Asians, we should allow a melee like in the Japanese House of Reps. I bet we'd see a LOT less trash-talking unless both sides REALLY meant it...

"Let's not go there!"
/gets hit in the back of the head with a chair
2004-02-12 02:33:21 PM  
I don't really classify Powell as a Democrat or Republican.

I think he is a great asset to this country, and some little shiat stick staffer whose a big kiss ass starts nodding like he knows something and gets his dick knocked into the dirt.

Yeah, I'm sure he's got a lot of international credibility after his UN slideshow...
2004-02-12 02:33:36 PM  


/really, like shooting fish in a barrel at this point.

2004-02-12 02:33:39 PM  
For that matter, where was Cheney during the Vietnam war?

Dick Cheney, to Washington Post's George Wilson, 1989: "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service.
2004-02-12 02:33:51 PM  
that, my friends, it what is known as a "verbal biatch slap"
2004-02-12 02:34:01 PM  
It is worth watching the whole exchange.

They weren't just asking questions, they were editorializing during their questions.

Powell called them on their bullshiat because he knows they are a bunch of fark-tards who know jack shiat about the military and sacrifice.

Think if you have dedicated your life in the military an seen he best and brightest cut down in the prime of your lives. Some of those for noble causes, and some not.

Then you get some silver spoon congressmen and his little staffer turd taking some sort of high ground like they actually know something on the subject because they watch "Saving Private Ryan."
2004-02-12 02:34:29 PM  
Powell has become pathetic. I'm a lawyer, and I know that whenever you can get a witness to have an outburst like Powell's, you quietly celebrate, because you no you're getting to him. Powell'sl ike a little kid who responds when the bullies taunt him.
2004-02-12 02:34:31 PM  
wheatweasel said:
and just like you call the judge "your honor" and don't spit on the DA in court, so should everybody at the hearing show decorum and respect for the proceedings. even if you don't like the testifier, you show respect for his office and for the proceedings."

So everyone should display decorum and respect right? Ok, who was more controlled? The head shaker or the Jerry Springer wannabe that couldnt control his temper and had to talk smack?

Ahem. Powell's comment was not outrageous or "Jerry Springer"-like. I can see a judge making the same sort of statement to some little jerk in the back of the courtroom.

As for the decorum of the proceedings, arguably (and obviously) it was broken by the dumbass "head shaker" in the first place.
2004-02-12 02:34:58 PM  
"I had other priorities in the '60s than military service."

He avoided the draft because of "bad knees." He then went on to quarterback and is now an avid jogger.

2004-02-12 02:35:23 PM  
echrisindy - Agree with you 100%. Respect should cut both ways.
2004-02-12 02:37:32 PM  
DistendedPendulusFrenulum - Ah...a grade school jibe. How progressive of you.

You lefties need to get your stories straight. First you demand that your agendas get served because you claim they are a mendate from the masses. Than you claim that republicans outnumber you (which would be in direct contention from the mandate claim). Than you scream about how everybody but you is stupid.

So lets recap:

1) MINE!

Sounds just like my 5 year old when I tell her to take a bath and get ready for bed.

Goodbye, PendulusPustulusGutulus
2004-02-12 02:37:33 PM  

Then you get some silver spoon congressmen and his little staffer turd taking some sort of high ground like they actually know something on the subject because they watch "Saving Private Ryan."

If they were discussing the details of a particular military battle, or tactics, or strategy, or the horrors of war, sure, little limp-wristed pansy intern staffers are in no place to mock.

...But they weren't.

Powell has a new job now, a diplomats job, the ultimate diplomats job. Something many staffers have a LOT of knowledge about.
2004-02-12 02:38:26 PM  
[image from albumcovers.de too old to be available]

Archive photo of accused head shaker.
2004-02-12 02:38:56 PM  
Powell knew he was lying a year ago and continues to hold to the lie because that's what a "good soldier" does.

I have yet to see any evidence of this. Nor have I seen any evidence that Bush knew he was lying, or anyone else in the administration. Or Saddam. Or your mother's arse crack. Or kidney stone that took me six days to pass.

Making these accusations and summarily attacking Colin Powell for asking for the respect he deserves is absolutely insane. Neither a staffer or congressman has the right to shake their head in the middle of a statement made by a state official. The only attacks that should come are during a censure, not during a question/anwer session. If you all knew what you were talking about, you would realize Powell did not have to be there answering questions at all, but he went anyway, only to get disrespected. Incredible.
2004-02-12 02:38:57 PM  
We need bold risk takers who aren't afraid of criticism

Out of curiosity, where does head shaking fall on the criticism spectrum?
2004-02-12 02:38:58 PM  
Apathy Curve,
The hippies are all just pissed because there savior Dean turned out to be a farking loser who couldn't win one state. LMAO
I can't wait til the Repubs open fire on Kerry. It will be a fun election year!!!

Funny, I cant wait till people start opening fire on anyone stupid enough to put a Bush-Cheney sticker on their car.
-Civil war II - the class wars
2004-02-12 02:39:15 PM  
I think its a shame all the hate directed to Colin Powell because he is working for this administration.

Most think he is very knowledgeable and a great asset. There would be a great chance that even if Kerry won, he would keep Colin Powell on his staff.

We have very few military personnel who have actually QB'd a war or major military engagement.

Fewer still who have been involved in the planning of several. NO matter hte success of those engagements, you need that experience.

You also forget how he jetted across the work to get support from Pakistan, Turkey, Jordan, and S. Arabia.

Even if you hate BUsh, remember this. Any S. of State does the best job with the administrations policies. They have to put them into action and make them work.
2004-02-12 02:39:17 PM  
Nun on the Run: To me, this doesn't look very 'hero'-ish.

The way the Post paints it, Powell is under pressure lately, and he showed it by snapping at a Hill staffer. The fact here is that he couldn't maintain his composure during a hearing, because a staffer shook their head. He wasted time berating this person, and causing the hearing to nearly derail. All because someone nonverbally disagreed with him, and someone for that matter, who probably has little role in the decision making process.

I couldn't agree more with the non-hero-ish assesment (nice word, I know). I mean, if what Colin Powell has stood for over the course of the war and the run-up thereto had any merit, then there would be no need to bully(*) a young staffer. Personally, if I was so convinced of the merits of my argument, I'd have looked at the kid and scratched/picked my nose with my middle finger--or something else that wouldn't have shown up on the record. Calling out some kid who shakes his head in disapproval at your remarks makes you seem, well, defensive--and that's putting it mildly. It really only encourages the people that are there for no other reason than to give you a good grilling.

While we're on the subject of this hearing, I can only find it odd that these Democrats are suddenly emboldened in their efforts to "investigate" the thoroughly corrupt administration. The idea that those in the opposition party who supported the war are the ones now leading the charge against the administration reeks of political opportunism. While they may claim that they were misled, I would argue only that they let themselves be misled and fell in line like cowards pandering to fear and nationalistic furor. The people should wake up to the idea that this self-serving charade conducted by liars and thieves is not in their best interest--and then drain the cesspool that is the US government.

(*) That said, the staffer in question is probably an adult and can more than likely handle himself.
2004-02-12 02:39:20 PM  

No, I'm pretty sure that was Pat Buchanan who avoided service because of bad knees.....

....and then, after getting a student deferment, played college football.
2004-02-12 02:39:24 PM  
[image from bluejake.com too old to be available]

"Shake your head at me like that again and I'll slap the taste of dick right out of your mouth. I'm Rick James, biatch! Darkness spreads!"
2004-02-12 02:39:48 PM  
Powell handled it wrong, but I agree with where he is coming from. He should have addressed the chairman and expressed concern about the distracting headshaking. When you acknowledge the presence of observers, you run the risk of turning a hearing into a town meeting.
2004-02-12 02:42:09 PM  

I wasn't calling him a dumbass cause he disagreed with me. I called him a dumbass because his statement was dumb. Just like your statement was equally as dumb. Of course your entire post only dealt with my choice of labels but that's ok, I'm sure in your world people don't discuss the root problems just the surface issues like "you called him a name" or "that kid shook his head at me"

Bush has bragged many times about flying the F-4 during wartime. (careful to never say he flew it IN the war) He even put on a great flight suit to bring the lie into the 21st century.

Oh and I made sure I didn't call you any names. I ran out of my Pooh Bear Band-Aids for feelings.
2004-02-12 02:42:26 PM  
Apathy Curve
I would argue that those running the country do not have fully functioning brains.

And there was not one thing in your last post that related to this thread. Maybe you are confused also. Troll.
2004-02-12 02:42:27 PM  
Powell is the HERO here.
2004-02-12 02:42:58 PM  
flubby: "As Powell well knows, the Bush regime only tolerates head shaking of the profuse up-and-down variety. Skeptical, side-to-side is strictly verboten."

hah! very well said!
2004-02-12 02:43:53 PM  
I'm biased on this cuz I think Colin Powell is pretty cool (I think he'd make a way better pres than G.W.), but he's generally pretty level-headed. I think if he snapped at the head shaker it was because the politicized tone of the hearing was wearying him. If I were in his position, I would have far less patience with partisan bickering than he does.
2004-02-12 02:44:32 PM  
For what it's worth, I think you're all using the court analogy wrong. I mean, the Congressmembers would be the judge, Powell would be an attorney, and the staffer someone like the baliff or court reporter. And nowhere in there does the attorney have the right to interrupt proceedings to yell at the court reporter.

Not saying the staffer wasn't out of line, but still.
2004-02-12 02:44:43 PM  
I wonder what Powell is feeling right now. He now has to stand up and betray everything that a good soldier stands for, and do so on a regular basis--and to make matters worse, he has to do it specifically because he is honor-bound to do so, having given his word.
2004-02-12 02:46:13 PM  
If he is so honorable, why wouldn't he commit Hari-Kari rather than lie?
2004-02-12 02:46:16 PM  

If you have read *anything* about the Bush administration's policies and actions (other than what you find in USAtoday and on FOX), you will see that they have engaged in some pretty underhanded truth-twisting. Here are some examples:

Bush Administration changes report to play down racial disparities in health care

Bush administration demands WHO change report that eating less fat & sugar will help combat obesity

Bush administration flip flops on roads ban in protected national forests

Bush administration alters EPA report to water down references to global warming

Frankly, you would think after Vietnam we would know better than to just trust that our policicians are doing the right things with foolproof intelligence that we assume they have.
2004-02-12 02:46:45 PM  

F-4? Try getting your facts straight - Bush flew the F-102 Delta Dagger. You look like you just make this stuff up as you go. Dumbass.
2004-02-12 02:47:54 PM  

For what it's worth, I think you're all using the court analogy wrong. I mean, the Congressmembers would be the judge, Powell would be an attorney, and the staffer someone like the baliff or court reporter. And nowhere in there does the attorney have the right to interrupt proceedings to yell at the court reporter.

well, Powell was testifying under oath, so he isn't really the attorney in this example, but more like a witness. He would have had the right to address the Chairman his objections, even in very strong and irrate means, of the nature of the proceedings.

But Generals don't like to work that way. His instincts didn't serve him well.
2004-02-12 02:48:05 PM  
Where's the "PATSY" tag when you need it...
2004-02-12 02:48:07 PM  
Staffers are to "not be seen and not be heard in public". They weren't elected and furthermore it was a display of disrespect by a "yout"
Once again. Do any of you who "know" this administration is lying read the news? Even the Iraqis thought some other military unit had WMD's. This whole Iraq deal is a "plane wreck." If anyone has noted, generally when a plane crashes it is a result of numerous foul ups, by many people. It isn't as simple as we would like.
Do any cynics have cynicism about their cynicism?
2004-02-12 02:48:10 PM  
My first two links that got stripped:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&conten​tId=A145 42-2004Jan13&notFound=true


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&conten​tId=A210 73-2004Jan15&notFound=true
2004-02-12 02:48:18 PM  
I just want to make a comment on how bad our language cliches and phrases are getting.

When the Colin Powell is saying things like "Don't go there" or "let's not go there"....there's a problem.
Is this a congressional hearing or a "friends" episode??
2004-02-12 02:49:09 PM  
That staffer had it coming. So did the farking congressman.

Courtesy has long since gone out the window. Might as well fight back. Good to see Powell sticking up for himself.
2004-02-12 02:49:25 PM  

For what it's worth, not a single person in this thread is using the courtroom analogy correct...because it doesn't apply to a Congressional hearing. The rules are vastly different. Until you've attended or watched a bunch of them on C-SPAN, it's not possible to understand how they work. There's no textbook that describes it.
2004-02-12 02:49:30 PM  
Roark - no, I didn't miss the point. I know that it was the staffer who was shaking his head. Whether or not the staffer should have been shaking his head is questionable - but at worst, it's mildly unprofessional. What Powell did is extremely unprofessional and really just make him look like he's getting defensive lashing out.
2004-02-12 02:49:53 PM  
"Bush never claimed to be a big bad fighter pilot"

Of course he didn't. Dressing like this and pretending to land a plane was a complete accident...
[image from static.redjupiter.com too old to be available]

"And calling someone a dumbass because they don't agree with your opinion?!? That's mature."

About as mature as halting a senate hearing to yell at someone for shaking their head, wouldn't you say?
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