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Lsherm [TotalFark]
2014-06-09 9:03:47 PM  
In college classes, climate change is taught as a textbook example of where democracy fails.

It is?  Or is it a failure of getting the bills YOU want passed?

Hypothetical spitball:  If someone came up with a practical, working solution for climate change tomorrow and it involved putting several million tons of silver shavings into orbit around earth to reflect back a percentage of the sun's energy and that solution didn't get passed in a bill, is that a failure of democracy?  Or is it an example of democracy working as intended?

I think she's conflating agreement about the problem with agreement about the solution.  There's scientific consensus on the problem.  The solutions are all over the map.
 
easypray
2014-06-09 10:08:12 PM  
I didn't vote for climate change.
 
Bugerz
2014-06-09 10:08:33 PM  
Yes, but what does this mean for berghazi?!?!?!

/concerned
 
Wadded Beef [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2014-06-09 10:08:52 PM  
And he's wrong to do that! I always see blonde newstalk-y broads talking to a sciencey guy on my teevee and he says that climate change isn't happening and some guy named Ben Gazzi needs to come clean about Obama's muzlinness.
 
Bazzlex001
2014-06-09 10:08:53 PM  

Lsherm: In college classes, climate change is taught as a textbook example of where democracy fails.

It is?  Or is it a failure of getting the bills YOU want passed?

Hypothetical spitball:  If someone came up with a practical, working solution for climate change tomorrow and it involved putting several million tons of silver shavings into orbit around earth to reflect back a percentage of the sun's energy and that solution didn't get passed in a bill, is that a failure of democracy?  Or is it an example of democracy working as intended?

I think she's conflating agreement about the problem with agreement about the solution.  There's scientific consensus on the problem.  The solutions are all over the map.


What? Scientific consensus does not equal political consensus. You missed the point entirely.
 
dookdookdook
2014-06-09 10:13:33 PM  

Lsherm: If someone came up with a practical, working solution for climate change tomorrow and it involved putting several million tons of silver shavings into orbit around earth to reflect back a percentage of the sun's energy and that solution didn't get passed in a bill, is that a failure of democracy?


It would be a failure of democracy if a necessary, world-saving plan like that needed to be subjected to a popular vote at all.  Democracy was invented so the big, important decisions wouldn't be left up to the average, uneducated idiots.
 
Bareefer Obonghit
2014-06-09 10:14:17 PM  
And that's not even his final form
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clambam
2014-06-09 10:16:25 PM  
Damning with faint praise.

Again conservatives implicitly admit they have lost the battle--in this case, on climate change--and turn it into a plea to let them retire, with dignity and with their bank accounts intact. I don't think it's going to happen that way. There's too much water under the bridge at this point.
 
Lsherm [TotalFark]
2014-06-09 10:20:07 PM  

Bazzlex001: What? Scientific consensus does not equal political consensus. You missed the point entirely.


I didn't, she did.
 
fusillade762
2014-06-09 10:23:49 PM  
At this point the opposition is just Randroid stubbornness.

Interests, Ideology And Climate
 
IlGreven
2014-06-09 10:25:10 PM  

Wadded Beef: And he's wrong to do that! I always see blonde newstalk-y broads talking to a sciencey guy on my teevee and he says that climate change isn't happening and some guy named Ben Gazzi needs to come clean about Obama's muzlinness.


Wait...does he mean Ben Gazzara? 'Cuz he died a couple of years ago, so he ain't talkin'.
 
TofuTheAlmighty [BareFark]
2014-06-09 10:26:07 PM  
Chris Hayes penned a brilliant essay about climate change and the fossil fuel industries' uncanny similarity to the peculiar institution.

Averting planetary disaster will mean forcing fossil fuel companies to give up at least $10 trillion in wealth.
 
Zeppelininthesky
2014-06-09 10:27:23 PM  

Lsherm: In college classes, climate change is taught as a textbook example of where democracy fails.

It is?  Or is it a failure of getting the bills YOU want passed?

Hypothetical spitball:  If someone came up with a practical, working solution for climate change tomorrow and it involved putting several million tons of silver shavings into orbit around earth to reflect back a percentage of the sun's energy and that solution didn't get passed in a bill, is that a failure of democracy?  Or is it an example of democracy working as intended?

I think she's conflating agreement about the problem with agreement about the solution.  There's scientific consensus on the problem.  The solutions are all over the map.


Man made climate change is happening regardless of if you think it is or not.
 
Colour_out_of_Space
2014-06-09 10:28:27 PM  
A couple years back my neighbor was listening to the Rush Limbaugh show in his garage and I could hear it while I was weeding.
Limbaugh was holding forth about the Temperature Humidity Index. He assured his audience that they were capable of determining when it was hot for themselves. Apparently, the THI is some sort of government conspiracy, because "They are trying to tell us what it feels like." He kept repeating that over and over.
That's really the only time I've ever heard a significant portion of Rush Limbaugh's show.

I don't really have anything else to add to this thread, here the results of a GIS for "Hot Girl:"
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Hobodeluxe
2014-06-09 10:29:15 PM  

Lsherm: In college classes, climate change is taught as a textbook example of where democracy fails.

It is?  Or is it a failure of getting the bills YOU want passed?

Hypothetical spitball:  If someone came up with a practical, working solution for climate change tomorrow and it involved putting several million tons of silver shavings into orbit around earth to reflect back a percentage of the sun's energy and that solution didn't get passed in a bill, is that a failure of democracy?  Or is it an example of democracy working as intended?

I think she's conflating agreement about the problem with agreement about the solution.  There's scientific consensus on the problem.  The solutions are all over the map.


really? Most of the solutions I've heard about involve getting us off fossil fuels and onto renewable green energy sources asap,population control is also something that needs to happen. I think there's a scientific consensus on those solutions.
 
Bazzlex001
2014-06-09 10:34:54 PM  

Lsherm: Bazzlex001: What? Scientific consensus does not equal political consensus. You missed the point entirely.

I didn't, she did.


Oh Ok. Well thanks for clearing that up. Clearly you are better educated than I am.
 
theknuckler_33
2014-06-09 10:38:00 PM  
I don't understand the point the headline is trying to make, but I'm not clicking the link.

That is all.
 
Lsherm [TotalFark]
2014-06-09 10:38:13 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: Man made climate change is happening regardless of if you think it is or not.


Gee, thanks.  Maybe you can invest some money in a reading comprehension class.
 
Tyrone Slothrop
2014-06-09 10:44:21 PM  
China is putting out as much or more greenhouse gasses as the U.S., and they're not exactly a democracy.
 
rkiller1
2014-06-09 11:02:27 PM  

clambam: Damning with faint praise.

Again conservatives implicitly admit they have lost the battle--in this case, on climate change--and turn it into a plea to let them retire, with dignity and with their bank accounts intact. I don't think it's going to happen that way. There's too much water under the bridge at this point.


Did you know you've mixed three metaphors in that paragraph soup? You win today's literary award.
 
doofusss
2014-06-09 11:07:44 PM  
If you like your global warming, you can keep your global warming.
 
clambam
2014-06-09 11:27:53 PM  

rkiller1: clambam: Damning with faint praise.

Again conservatives implicitly admit they have lost the battle--in this case, on climate change--and turn it into a plea to let them retire, with dignity and with their bank accounts intact. I don't think it's going to happen that way. There's too much water under the bridge at this point.

Did you know you've mixed three metaphors in that paragraph soup? You win today's literary award.


I only count two but we aims to please.
 
rkiller1
2014-06-09 11:44:33 PM  

clambam: rkiller1: clambam: Damning with faint praise.

Again conservatives implicitly admit they have lost the battle--in this case, on climate change--and turn it into a plea to let them retire, with dignity and with their bank accounts intact. I don't think it's going to happen that way. There's too much water under the bridge at this point.

Did you know you've mixed three metaphors in that paragraph soup? You win today's literary award.

I only count two but we aims to please.


Yeah, that plea = petition the court is a stretch, but three sounded better than two.
 
b0rg9
2014-06-09 11:46:35 PM  

doofusss: If you like your global warming, you can keep your global warming.



If you like your fart, you can keep your bongo.
 
Fenrisulfr
2014-06-09 11:48:37 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Lsherm: In college classes, climate change is taught as a textbook example of where democracy fails.

It is?  Or is it a failure of getting the bills YOU want passed?

Hypothetical spitball:  If someone came up with a practical, working solution for climate change tomorrow and it involved putting several million tons of silver shavings into orbit around earth to reflect back a percentage of the sun's energy and that solution didn't get passed in a bill, is that a failure of democracy?  Or is it an example of democracy working as intended?

I think she's conflating agreement about the problem with agreement about the solution.  There's scientific consensus on the problem.  The solutions are all over the map.

really? Most of the solutions I've heard about involve getting us off fossil fuels and onto renewable green energy sources asap,population control is also something that needs to happen. I think there's a scientific consensus on those solutions.


You are absolutely correct, citizen. The solutions you hear from the media are absolutely correct

.Other solutions are treason.

You even pondered these treasonous ideas before coming to a correct conclusion.

As a reward for your critical thinking, Please step into the recycler, citizen! - Glory awaits you!

- The Computer
EOL
 
Dahnkster [TotalFark]
2014-06-10 12:02:07 AM  
It's getting hot in herr, so take off Lederhose


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With a little bit a ah, ah


And a sprinkle a that ah, ah
 
cchris_39
2014-06-10 12:02:13 AM  

Bazzlex001: Lsherm: In college classes, climate change is taught as a textbook example of where democracy fails.

It is?  Or is it a failure of getting the bills YOU want passed?

Hypothetical spitball:  If someone came up with a practical, working solution for climate change tomorrow and it involved putting several million tons of silver shavings into orbit around earth to reflect back a percentage of the sun's energy and that solution didn't get passed in a bill, is that a failure of democracy?  Or is it an example of democracy working as intended?

I think she's conflating agreement about the problem with agreement about the solution.  There's scientific consensus on the problem.  The solutions are all over the map.

What? Scientific consensus does not equal political consensus. You missed the point entirely.


No, he got it exactly right.

When the climate change crowd comes up with answers that are something more than a thinly veiled attack on free enterprise, they will start building credibility.
 
Bazzlex001
2014-06-10 12:17:04 AM  

cchris_39: Bazzlex001: Lsherm: In college classes, climate change is taught as a textbook example of where democracy fails.

It is?  Or is it a failure of getting the bills YOU want passed?

Hypothetical spitball:  If someone came up with a practical, working solution for climate change tomorrow and it involved putting several million tons of silver shavings into orbit around earth to reflect back a percentage of the sun's energy and that solution didn't get passed in a bill, is that a failure of democracy?  Or is it an example of democracy working as intended?

I think she's conflating agreement about the problem with agreement about the solution.  There's scientific consensus on the problem.  The solutions are all over the map.

What? Scientific consensus does not equal political consensus. You missed the point entirely.

No, he got it exactly right.

When the climate change crowd comes up with answers that are something more than a thinly veiled attack on free enterprise, they will start building credibility.


They'll let anyone in here these days won't they?
 
grumpfuff
2014-06-10 12:28:51 AM  

Bazzlex001: They'll let anyone in here these days won't they?


Sadly, yes.
 
yukichigai
2014-06-10 12:38:53 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: China is putting out as much or more greenhouse gasses as the U.S., and they're not exactly a democracy.


I know this seems a bit ridiculous to say, but I could actually see us going to war against China to get them to stop producing greenhouse gasses in the future.  The distant future, but I could still see it happening.

It's not that farfetched if you picture a future where the climate has worsened to the point where land is visibly being covered by the sea, not just a little but a great amount of it, to the point where public panic sets in.  As 9/11 taught us, nothing motivates a war quite like the American public feeling scared and unsafe.
 
cchris_39
2014-06-10 12:41:16 AM  
"Energy prices must necessarily skyrocket", promises to bankrupt the coal industry, shut down as much drilling as possible, prevent construction of new refineries, and the always popular liberal answer to everything.......tax increases yay! (carbon credits)......

Yeah those sound like great answers. Policy genius. Who wouldn't be on board with that. Yawn.
 
Cyclometh [TotalFark]
2014-06-10 12:47:45 AM  

Lsherm: The solutions are all over the map.


The reason that it's a failure of democracy is that there is in fact no agreement  among the electorate that climate change is an actual problem, although it is manifestly so. This problem is exacerbated by an anti-science demagoguery that shows very well how democracy can fail.

A vital democratic system requires people who are engaged and interested, not simply following a rote set of ideas that they have not examined. Sadly, this country currently has a very small number of people who fit that definition.
 
Cyclometh [TotalFark]
2014-06-10 12:50:13 AM  

cchris_39: No, he got it exactly right.

When the climate change crowd comes up with answers that are something more than a thinly veiled attack on free enterprise, they will start building credibility.


You've said some dumb things before, but... goddamn, son. Just look at this.
 
Bazzlex001
2014-06-10 12:59:00 AM  

Cyclometh: Lsherm: The solutions are all over the map.

The reason that it's a failure of democracy is that there is in fact no agreement  among the electorate that climate change is an actual problem, although it is manifestly so. This problem is exacerbated by an anti-science demagoguery that shows very well how democracy can fail.

A vital democratic system requires people who are engaged and interested, not simply following a rote set of ideas that they have not examined. Sadly, this country currently has a very small number of people who fit that definition.


Careful. I am pretty sure these woods are full of trolls and alts. The odds of a 30 comment thread legitimately having majority Fark Republican membership are too low.
 
whidbey
2014-06-10 1:03:09 AM  

Bazzlex001: Cyclometh: Lsherm: The solutions are all over the map.

The reason that it's a failure of democracy is that there is in fact no agreement  among the electorate that climate change is an actual problem, although it is manifestly so. This problem is exacerbated by an anti-science demagoguery that shows very well how democracy can fail.

A vital democratic system requires people who are engaged and interested, not simply following a rote set of ideas that they have not examined. Sadly, this country currently has a very small number of people who fit that definition.

Careful. I am pretty sure these woods are full of trolls and alts. The odds of a 30 comment thread legitimately having majority Fark Republican membership are too low.


inb4 "warmies" are easy to troll

/like atheists
 
Fista-Phobia
2014-06-10 1:39:57 AM  
He traded usurpers, ne're do wells, and muslums. Finger to the wind, "YES WE CAN!". And for what? Guns n' lower calorie lunches? Thanks news aggregator!

/alts come out during election years and midterms
//(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
///mods will modify your posts to moderate for the sake of moderation
 
Fista-Phobia
2014-06-10 1:55:52 AM  

cchris_39: and the always popular liberal answer to everything.......tax increases yay! (carbon credits)......


Yesss. Where would you be without your be without your pejoratives? Cling to them tightly, you're wife managing your budget.

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Kittypie070
2014-06-10 1:56:29 AM  
the shiat I put up with....

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tbeatty
2014-06-10 2:11:14 AM  
Finally, the torment of ManBearPig is at an end.  Kid 1, kid 2, kid 3 and of course, kid 4 will be greatly missed.  Excelsior!
 
Hobodeluxe
2014-06-10 2:36:46 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: China is putting out as much or more greenhouse gasses as the U.S., and they're not exactly a democracy.


they have an emergent industrial sector, they have 4 x the population of the US but they're also ahead of us on renewable energy and population control.

your point?
 
Lee Jackson Beauregard
2014-06-10 2:59:40 AM  
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mongbiohazard
2014-06-10 3:01:55 AM  

cchris_39: Bazzlex001: Lsherm: In college classes, climate change is taught as a textbook example of where democracy fails.

It is?  Or is it a failure of getting the bills YOU want passed?

Hypothetical spitball:  If someone came up with a practical, working solution for climate change tomorrow and it involved putting several million tons of silver shavings into orbit around earth to reflect back a percentage of the sun's energy and that solution didn't get passed in a bill, is that a failure of democracy?  Or is it an example of democracy working as intended?

I think she's conflating agreement about the problem with agreement about the solution.  There's scientific consensus on the problem.  The solutions are all over the map.

What? Scientific consensus does not equal political consensus. You missed the point entirely.

No, he got it exactly right.

When the climate change crowd comes up with answers that are something more than a thinly veiled attack on free enterprise, they will start building credibility.


To stop digging up and pumping ancient buried carbon into our biosphere so we stop making it worse is a thinly-vieled attack on free enterprise? I'm not sure what you're smoking, but you need to quit it before you destroy your brain entirely. That's an incredibly stupid thing to try and assert.
 
Lee Jackson Beauregard
2014-06-10 3:02:37 AM  

cchris_39: "Energy prices must necessarily skyrocket", promises to bankrupt the coal industry, shut down as much drilling as possible, prevent construction of new refineries, and the always popular liberal answer to everything.......tax increases yay! (carbon credits)......


1) Citations needed.

2) We're drilling, baby, drilling.  Whar cheap gas whar?

3) If you don't like paying taxes, then tell the Publicans to go pound sand the next time they start beating the war drums.
 
fusillade762
2014-06-10 3:05:57 AM  

cchris_39: "Energy prices must necessarily skyrocket", promises to bankrupt the coal industry, shut down as much drilling as possible, prevent construction of new refineries, and the always popular liberal answer to everything.......tax increases yay! (carbon credits)......

Yeah those sound like great answers. Policy genius. Who wouldn't be on board with that. Yawn.


Yeah, letting coal companies spew externalities without any sort of penalty is a GREAT idea.
 
whidbey
2014-06-10 3:11:12 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: cchris_39: "Energy prices must necessarily skyrocket", promises to bankrupt the coal industry, shut down as much drilling as possible, prevent construction of new refineries, and the always popular liberal answer to everything.......tax increases yay! (carbon credits)......

1) Citations needed.

2) We're drilling, baby, drilling.  Whar cheap gas whar?

3) If you don't like paying taxes, then tell the Publicans to go pound sand the next time they start beating the war drums.


Yeah but...those wars should be free because think of how much money you saved by Bush protecting your freedoms. Obama's the one wasting money. Pfft. Drones. Expensive little farkers.
 
xria
2014-06-10 4:39:04 AM  

dookdookdook: Lsherm: If someone came up with a practical, working solution for climate change tomorrow and it involved putting several million tons of silver shavings into orbit around earth to reflect back a percentage of the sun's energy and that solution didn't get passed in a bill, is that a failure of democracy?

It would be a failure of democracy if a necessary, world-saving plan like that needed to be subjected to a popular vote at all.  Democracy was invented so the big, important decisions wouldn't be left up to the average, uneducated idiots.


I thought Democracy was invented so the mass of people would stop murdering the people in charge when they finally got fed up with their shiat?
 
ghare
2014-06-10 5:18:48 AM  

Bazzlex001: Lsherm: Bazzlex001: What? Scientific consensus does not equal political consensus. You missed the point entirely.

I didn't, she did.

Oh Ok. Well thanks for clearing that up. Clearly you are better educated than I am.


You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
 
scathing1
2014-06-10 5:44:26 AM  
Using the Presidential powers enshrined in the Constitution ... while black.  That's a dictatoring.
 
Alphax
2014-06-10 6:58:07 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Tyrone Slothrop: China is putting out as much or more greenhouse gasses as the U.S., and they're not exactly a democracy.

they have an emergent industrial sector, they have 4 x the population of the US but they're also ahead of us on renewable energy and population control.

your point?


When I hear someone whining that the Chinese won't stop polluting, I get this translation..

"Mooooommm!  Timmy doesn't have to clean up after himself, so why do I?!'
 
Baryogenesis
2014-06-10 7:02:04 AM  

Lsherm: I think she's conflating agreement about the problem with agreement about the solution.  There's scientific consensus on the problem.  The solutions are all over the map.


We can't even get something basic like a carbon tax or cap and trade never mind a major plan.  Let's start with that before we worry about geo engineering or carbon capture.
 
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